‘Duck Dynasty’ Star: A Vagina Is ‘More Desirable Than A Man’s Anus’

[Joe Molotov]

I think we're getting off-topic here; we're need to steer the conversation back to men's anuses.

[Groogrux]

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tl;dr I'm a little stoned and trying to make a coherent argument

You got really close! 

I can't speak for other Abrahamic religions because I honestly haven't had enough exposure to them.  You are right about Christianity being one of those that you can't 100% though.  Any Christian who claims they are would be a liar, even if they're only trying to live up to the current standards of what it means to be "Christian."

I don't see the majority of the Christian community changing their views on homosexuality any time soon though.  The fabrics law was dated to the old testament,  only mentioned once (to my knowledge), and I honestly don't know when views on that changed or why.  For Christians, animal sacrifices went away after Jesus died.  Attitudes towards women, in my opinion were severely misguided and taken out of context (One heavily used scripture was a letter written by Paul to one of the churches he watched over cautioning them not to let women teach in the church.  In context though, it was because these women had came from a temple that worshipped another deity that promoted having sex on the alter and prostitution.).  And as far as slavery goes, it's known that it existed even through the new testament times, but the only references I've seen to it talked about treating slaves kindly.  I haven't actually read anything saying that it was a man's right to own a slave.

Homosexuality, or the "practice" thereof, on the other hand is something that is outright called a sin several times throughout the Christian bible.  I think this is where the difference is made. 

But the last thing this old duck dude was hired to do was to give his opinion on social issues. So it made sense for him to be fired and it was the public outrage at the supposed infringement on his freedom of speech that I find to be so wrong.

I agree with you on this completely.  The argument that his freedom of speech was violated is completely ridiculous.  A for-profit television company hired him to do a show, and they felt like his opinions expressed off the camera were against their best interests and that they might decrease viewership.  They didn't put him in jail, and they never stopped him from saying what he wanted to say in that article, they simply suspended him from work.  Yes, A & E knew what they were getting into when they signed him and the other members of his family on to do the show, but that is not the main reason they hired him.

[Himu]

I have a friend who is transgender and "believes" in Judaism and Islam but doesn't practice beyond wearing hijab, uses it as a moral guide rather than a set of dogma. I can respect that.

But the last thing this old duck dude was hired to do was to give his opinion on social issues. So it made sense for him to be fired and it was the public outrage at the supposed infringement on his freedom of speech that I find to be so wrong.

Psst. There are religions that aren't monotheistic faiths. It's perfectly possible to be a Taoist or Buddhist and live that 100% in modern day. Buddhism in particular has a complete separate set of rules between layman and monastics. Just because Christianity and Islam come off as ridiculous, doesn't mean all religions are.

Remember when you were trying to argue that a woman actually looks more beautiful when wearing a head scarf and we all thought that was ridiculous?

Even if you know something is ridiculous, you'll justify it to yourself if you truly believe it is a good thing.

I never said a woman looks more beautiful with a hijab.

I said a woman can look beautiful with a hijab.

And many atheists look as ridiculous as theists. So clearly, religion isn't the problem. Zephyr literally just said, well Buddhists kill too - thus Buddhism is invalid. That's a completely ridiculous statement and could be used against any group of people.

[Himu]

I will, however, echo the fact that a true Taoist or Buddhist would be living the monastic life, because the roots of these two beliefs require a complete severance from all that is material. Watch Samsara and see what I mean.

Again, laughably false. And saying I am exotifiying eastern faiths because they're foreign is insulting. Again, have you ever been to a temple or zen center?

Psst. There are religions that aren't monotheistic faiths. It's perfectly possible to be a Taoist or Buddhist and live that 100% in modern day. Buddhism in particular has a complete separate set of rules between layman and monastics. Just because Christianity and Islam come off as ridiculous, doesn't mean all religions are.

I will, however, echo the fact that a true Taoist or Buddhist would be living the monastic life, because the roots of these two beliefs require a complete severance from all that is material. Watch Samsara and see what I mean.

sorry man, I can't comment on buddhism but the idea that Daoism requires you to be part of the clergy or live monastic life is about as educated as the "all eastern things are mystical view". Unless you're saying that there's some no true follower equivalent in all religions, where if you want to be considered truly a man of _____ you have to 100% immerse yourself. I don't subscribe to that view, nor do any of the daoists i've spoken with either. The obvious reason being that a society must live in balance too. Lineage specificity aside, the basic requirements for Daoist life are essentially the same across the board;  dietetics, ethics,health and longevity practice, meditation, ritual, seasonal awareness, and scripture study. Nobody's really urging you to jump out into the wild on a mountain somewhere and live like Laozi doing 'research'. Daoism as an individual spiritual practice is not really about transcending the material world either, fyi. It's about preserving and developing your three treasures; evolving your body spirit and mind to reach a point of 'neutrality' where you're harmonized with nature. And you don't have to be an ascetic to achieve that (hua).

This is almost verbatim Buddhism, depending on the school. It's mostly for the self and others. Their argument is so short sighted. How would monastics be capable of living if there were no laymen to rely upon for food/money/shelter? It's a two way relationship: those of the order give wisdom and knowledge to understand scripture, those who aren't a part of the order help sustain the order and keep the dharma alive.

[nudemacusers]

I think we're getting off-topic here; we're need to steer the conversation back to men's anuses.

sounds like we just need to start a religion centered on men's anuses. maybe then the people will care.

[ZephyrFate]

that's called being gay and it's better than this argument about religion that nobody cares about

[Himu]

It's something nobody cares about because you concede you are ignorant and you learned about it from watching movies and a religion 101 class.

[ZephyrFate]

I'm not gonna engage you anymore if you wanna be a fucking asshole, but continue to defend the 100% religious Christians, they surely love a trans person

[ZephyrFate]

Eh, she kinda is.

[Himu]

My main issue is that your own hypocrisy in your treatment of religion. It makes you out to be a bigot. Religions can be ridiculous, but they're made of people. And people are not ridiculous, people are people. Your original post basically boils down a typical r/atheism argument that religion is outdated, and thus must die. The notion is bollocks. Namely because, despite the fact that religions are ridiculous, a lot of people really get a lot from them. This may be seem silly, even weak, but that's them. I'm an atheist and if you want to worship Christ. Do so, I won't stop you if it makes you happy and you treat all people with the respect they deserve. The sinker is how you actively seek for gay people to have wide acceptance and approval, and yet make out others personal beliefs into a joke.

Abrahamic religions have their place. Just because some Christians wounded you with anti-gay talk doesn't justify being vindictive and ruling that all religions (your words) are incompatible with daily living in 2013.

The most irritating point is that this argument usually comes from self avowed secular humanists, the most hypocritical "philosophical" group on the planet with their complete disregard for others humans or beliefs. Whether Christians support or love me as a trans person is irrelevant. They're still people, and still deserve respect.

[Steve Contra]

Actually you're thinking of "internet atheists" Himu, and not the majority of secular humanists

[Himu]

Nope.

The other month for Halloween a group stupidly took a picture of themselves dressed up as Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. The girl in the photo was fired. People, who, I know identified with being secular humanist said she "deserved" it and laughed at it.

Even if she was in the photo, and she's ignorant, she doesn't deserve being fired for it. She's still a person and she still needs livelihood, something that will be that much harder to attain. I'm not saying something wouldn't have happen had someone not ratted her out at work, but gleefully joining in on someone else's misery you don't agree with is classic Secular Humanist. The lack of empathy from that group of people is disgusting.

I dropped it the other month because I didn't think it was the time. But now is the time. Absolutely disgusted.

[Human Snorenado]

I must have missed the part where some secular humanists on the internets acting like assholes painted everyone who claims that title with the same brush

Thank you for himusplaining

[Himu]

I'll settle with internet atheists then.

[Himu]

If Creepy Old Guy is a secular humanist then it's the exact behavior I'm talking about.

Can't wait for the next post about rounding people up against the wall.

[Human Snorenado]

Only himuro has true compassion and understanding, and now she will lecture us all about it in preachy, overly long, obnoxious posts

[Steve Contra]

Creepy is actually a big softie who was in financial straits a few months ago because he's a super nice guy who was helping some family members that later tried to screw him over.

[benjipwns]

And people are not ridiculous, people are people.

You're ridiculous.

[Shadow Mod]

Most people I know iRL are secular humanists. Anything remotely religious they do is mostly to humor their parents.

[Human Snorenado]

And people are not ridiculous, people are people.

You're ridiculous.

People, being people, clearly don't have the capacity to be ridiculous people, just people people

[Shadow Mod]

People are douchebags.

Various religions have long been an out to be violent, murderous, bigoted douchebags.

[Himu]

I'm fine with secular humanists. But as a philosophy, I find secular humanism to be extremely poor. My opinion, though.

[Yeti]

[Great Rumbler]

But rather than a ratings spike, viewership for the show's season five premiere actually dipped considerably. Wednesday's premiere drew 8.5 million viewers, down 28 percent from the season four premiere last August.

Oops!

[Brehvolution]

Looks like a fake outrage backfire.

[Joe Molotov]

I guess he misunderestimated the desirability of a man's anus.

[Raban]

I didn't know what secular humanism was before this thread. Sounds pretty awesome, sign me up.

[Himu]

But rather than a ratings spike, viewership for the show's season five premiere actually dipped considerably. Wednesday's premiere drew 8.5 million viewers, down 28 percent from the season four premiere last August.

Oops!

welp

[Joe Molotov]

Come on, who wouldn't wanna watch a show about these suave fellas?

[Himu]

Come on, who wouldn't wanna watch a show about these suave fellas?

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why does this remind me of a Rob Schneider movie

[Phoenix Dark]

gotta say I'm surprised at the ratings drop.

[Steve Youngblood]

Wait, this was season five of that show? There's already been four seasons of Duck Dynasty?!

[CatsCatsCats]

I'm not surprised by the drop. I know several people who are typically very liberal, but had previously enjoyed the show as family friendly entertainment. It was not just rednecks watching this

[Brehvolution]

Maybe they were fake rednecks.... like the guys on duck dynasty.

[Himu]

Isn't duck dynasty just 2 years old? If so how is it on season 5?

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

Isn't duck dynasty just 2 years old? If so how is it on season 5?

because Reality TV, for example, Survivor (on air in America since 2000) will be entering its 28th season soon.
and I think that above quoted photo (amongst other evidence of yuppiness that came out) did more damage to the show's rep then any of this controversy did.

[ZephyrFate]

reality TV typically airs two seasons a year (or more) because of how easy they are to produce and film

[Phoenix Dark]

waiting for the inevitable "ratings fell because Christians are boycotting A&E" spin.

[benjipwns]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/duck-dynasty-s-jase-robertson-gq-interview-it-felt-more-attack

Duck Dynasty patriarch Phil Robertson, which led to his temporary suspension from the popular A&E show in December – and sparked a national debate on free speech and sexual morality – was a form of “spiritual warfare,” said Jase Robertson, who added that as the interview went on, “it felt more like an attack because our family has a prayer at the end of the show.”

Duck Dynasty’s Jase Robertson, the second oldest son of Phil and ‘Miss Kay’ Robertson, related his experience of that GQ session -- which was initially attended by the show’s entire cast but they eventually walked out because of its hostile questioning – in an interview with CNSNews.com on July 8 in Washington, D.C.

...

Prior to the press conference, CNSNews.com spoke with Jase Robertson about his new book, Good Call: Reflections on Faith, Family, and Fowl, where he touches on the GQ interview, stating it was the only one he ever walked out on and that he had asked his father “to stop the interview because the questions were hypothetical, argumentative, and controversial.”

CNSNews.com asked Robertson, “You said it got to the point where you thought it was an ordeal that, you said the whole ordeal was ‘a form of spiritual warfare.’  I was wondering if you could explain specifically what you mean by spiritual warfare?”

Robertson said, “What I came to realize there is, because we had done so many interviews before and I’d never sensed any kind of animosity toward our faith in God and belief, but this guy, he knew who we were, he was in my dad’s home.  And, you know, in the South, when you come into somebody’s house, you show a certain amount of respect. And it occurred to me that he knew we were people of faith.”

“He was using four-letter words, a lot of F-bombs, he was making fun of some of the things we hold true,” said Robertson.  “The first statement of the whole process was, he looked at me and said, ‘Do you actually expect people to believe that you waited until you got married before you had sex?’  That was the first statement out of his mouth.  Well, I kind of looked around at the publicist and I thought, ‘Is this the interview?’  I mean, because this was just the way it came across.”

As Robertson explains in Good Call, both he and his future wife, Missy Robertson, stayed chaste until their wedding night, a fact that Mrs. Robertson also affirmed to CNSNews.com.

Jase Robertson continued, “So, as it [the GQ interview] went on, I realized that it felt more like an attack because our family has a prayer at the end of the show. That’s what I felt like was a spiritual war.”

Asked whether the questions were deliberately designed to hurt the family or the Duck Dynasty show, Robertson said, “No, I don’t want to get into the mind, but the questions were only about controversial things. He asked about, he looked at my dad and said, ‘What do you think of homosexuality?’ Which my dad didn’t really answer but, you know. And so it went from there. You see what I mean?”

“And so, I think it was just a plan to get some, some of that [which] caused us some trouble,” said Robertson.  “But, you know, we don’t hold anything against him, so. Or even by trying that.  My dad thought he wanted to take a stand in his house, and I don’t blame him.”

...

Duck Dynasty, now in its sixth season, is the most highly rated reality-TV show in cable history. An average 10.5 million viewers watch the show each week.  At the end of every episode, the family gathers around the dinner table and says a prayer of thanksgiving to God.

[Joe Molotov]

The liberal media and their gay agenda is always ramming anuses down our throats.

[Squiddy]

At the end of every episode, the family gathers around the dinner table and says a prayer of thanksgiving to God.

This doesn't make sense.
Do christians celebrate thanksgiving every week or something?

[Rufus]

There's thanksgiving and Thanksgiving.

[Phoenix Dark]

most Christian families say grace before eating, that's all it is.

[Squiddy]

 

[Atramental]

And there's some Christian American families (mine being one of them) that will say blessing when they're eating out at some restaurant.

I just start eating as soon as the food arrives. That usually breaks them out of it.

[Phoenix Dark]

And there's some Christian American families (mine being one of them) that will say blessing when they're eating out at some restaurant.

I just start eating as soon as the food arrives. That usually that breaks them out of it.

If my entire family goes out to dinner (say, to Olive Garden for a celebration) than my dad will pray; I kind of just sit there. But if I go to a restaurant with just my mom or my dad, they'll do a silent prayer while I start eating.

[Squiddy]

I have never seen someone make a prayer before digging into food, so this is all fascinating stuff.

[Positive Touch]

my family never did this; caught me off guard EVERY damn time i ate with other people cuz im the type who digs in to a plate as soon as it's put in front of me

[Phoenix Dark]

When we were kids we also had to recite a bible verse. My go to was Romans 4:5, especially if I was eating at a Baptist friend's house
:trollbron:

[Atramental]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+4%3A5%2C&version=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=james+2%3A26&version=NIV


Had to give a "sermon" for a speech class at BJU. I quoted Romans 4:5 at the beginning of it and James 2:26 near the end. Oh how I wish I could show you the looks I got, brehs.

[Phoenix Dark]

My goal was always to make an exasperated Baptist throw up their hands and say "well, FUCK PAUL"

[recursivelyenumerable]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+4%3A5%2C&version=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=james+2%3A26&version=NIV


Had to give a "sermon" for a speech class at BJU. I quoted Romans 4:5 at the beginning of it and James 2:26 near the end. Oh how I wish I could show you the looks I got, brehs.

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wow I have no idea what the Romans one means

[Atramental]

The Romans one is saying (or at least it can be interpreted this way) that good deeds/works are not required for salvation.

All that is required is your faith in Christ and his sacrifice on the cross.

[Phoenix Dark]

The Romans one is saying (or at least it can be interpreted this way) that good deeds/works are not required for salvation.

All that is required is your faith in Christ and his sacrifice on the cross.

Yup. Which flies in the face of many denominations who believe Baptism or other good works are paramount. I especially love the jimmy rustling when you quote verses that show Jesus wasn't even talking to dirty Gentiles, all his ministry was aimed at the Jews. Embrace your apostle, Gentiles: Paul.
 

[benjipwns]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/phil-robertson-rape-murder-atheists

“I’ll make a bet with you,” Robertson said. “Two guys break into an atheist’s home. He has a little atheist wife and two little atheist daughters. Two guys break into his home and tie him up in a chair and gag him. And then they take his two daughters in front of him and rape both of them and then shoot them and they take his wife and then decapitate her head off in front of him. And then they can look at him and say, ‘Isn’t it great that I don’t have to worry about being judged? Isn’t it great that there’s nothing wrong with this? There’s no right or wrong, now is it dude?’”

Robertson kept going: “Then you take a sharp knife and take his manhood and hold it in front of him and say, ‘Wouldn’t it be something if this [sic] was something wrong with this? But you’re the one who says there is no God, there’s no right, there’s no wrong, so we’re just having fun. We’re sick in the head, have a nice day.’”

“If it happened to them,” Robertson continued, “they probably would say, ‘something about this just ain’t right.”

[nudemacusers]

nothing helps me digest a nice heaping plate of rubbery pancakes and eggs after a morning prayer than a detailed and explicit home invasion rape, torture and murder scenario.

[Phoenix Dark]

Sounds like rap lyrics to me.

[thisismyusername]

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Just die in peace, Duck Dynasty.

[Great Rumbler]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/phil-robertson-rape-murder-atheists

“I’ll make a bet with you,” Robertson said. “Two guys break into an atheist’s home. He has a little atheist wife and two little atheist daughters. Two guys break into his home and tie him up in a chair and gag him. And then they take his two daughters in front of him and rape both of them and then shoot them and they take his wife and then decapitate her head off in front of him. And then they can look at him and say, ‘Isn’t it great that I don’t have to worry about being judged? Isn’t it great that there’s nothing wrong with this? There’s no right or wrong, now is it dude?’”

Robertson kept going: “Then you take a sharp knife and take his manhood and hold it in front of him and say, ‘Wouldn’t it be something if this [sic] was something wrong with this? But you’re the one who says there is no God, there’s no right, there’s no wrong, so we’re just having fun. We’re sick in the head, have a nice day.’”

“If it happened to them,” Robertson continued, “they probably would say, ‘something about this just ain’t right.”

Athiests owned.

[Trent Dole]

Yes because the only way to make sure everyone behaves is by holding the threat of eternal torment and damnation over their heads. nobody ever does the right thing simply because it is the right thing t do. Humanity has no sense of morals without any threat of punishment. Or maybe that's just Christians?