Game Of Thrones S4: Her name isn't Khaleesi

[ZephyrFate]

The final few minutes of the episode are most likely book spoilers.

[CatsCatsCats]

welp

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There are 13 Others in the background of the scene. In the books, the first Night's King was the 13th Lord Commander of the NW.

Even weirder, this seems to tie into a theory someone posted on Reddit a couple weeks ago. I remember reading it at the time and thinking it was one of the more legit sounding pieces of speculation, and now here we are.
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/

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Makes a lot of sense. And would be a great direction for the series, imo. Wow. GRRM get to writing you glorious bastard

[Diunx]

What the fuck! this will be my last season of the show, no way I'm getting the fucking series spoiled! and I will begin to check this thread before watching in case there are more spoilers

Give in breh, you know Martin is gonna dirtnap before he finishes. Show will end up being cannon.

Also, did I miss what everyone has their panties in a bunch over? Was Oberyn even IN this episode? Episode was pretty solid overall imo.

If he dies then I'll have no choice but to watch  , until them will turn that shit off as soon as I see a spoiler coming, also that dude was definitely the night's king, his horns even looked like a crown.

[Human Snorenado]

The final few minutes of the episode are most likely book spoilers.

Anyone who doesn't have a pretty good idea of how the shit is gonna play out judging from what's been written already is functionally brain dead imo.

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ZOMG THERE'S AN ICE ZOMBIE KING MAKING ICE ZOMBIES FROM CRASTER'S BABIES, WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED???

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[Human Snorenado]

Oh shit, there I go again forgetting that for some of y'all, this is literature's crowning achievement or some shit. SORRY DUDES.

[Diunx]

They already say all that shit in the third book , my problem is with the mediocre show runners exploring shit that haven't been revealed in the book like the land of always winter and the fact that the night's king is still alive and is apparently one of the ring leaders of the great other.

[Human Snorenado]

Again,

If you didn't think that was a possibility from everything that had been written to this point, then I don't know what to say.

For me anyway, I dislike episodic tv in general, and I'm thinking I might just be disinclined towards passive forms of entertainment as an umbrella group at this point in my life. That's probably why I like Sherlock so damn much- it's fun to try to figure out what's going on before the reveal. 

I treat this series the same way. I'm trying to figure out what's going on before fatty tells us, or the show shows us. So, I'd pretty much figured out that was a likely thing for the others, tbh.

I really think that all of y'all book purists might be better off fucking off and not watching the show anymore. If there's going to be an epic clash between the forces of life and death, light and darkness at some point down the road, then they have to define the enemy better. That's just part of visual storytelling. Sorry if it bunches all of y'alls panties, but I'd either get used to it or quit watching.

[ZephyrFate]

oh ok sure

[Human Snorenado]

I guess if I had emotionally invested enough of myself into something, maybe I'd feel like y'all lame-o's.

I hope they have fatty on SNL at some point and they do a skit like the one with Shatner where he told some crazed trekkie to get a life after the trekkie asked him some insane question.

[CatsCatsCats]

I think it's awesome they're showing things from a different perspective like that in the show, I want more of the story and TWOW feels forever away.

[Phoenix Dark]

I don't think anyone is surprised by what happened to the baby; we already knew they were sacrificed to the Others. The surprising thing is that

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the episode showed the Land of Always Winter as well as the Night's King.

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[Human Snorenado]

I don't think anyone is surprised by what happened to the baby; we already knew they were sacrificed to the Others. The surprising thing is that

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the episode showed the Land of Always Winter as well as the Night's King.

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Again, I have to say... what's the big fucking deal to that. Did you surmise that they were both fairy tales? People thought the Others were fairy tales before they came back. And again, the show has to tell the story in a different manner than the books, which can hint and foreshadow around the edges way more effectively than the show can. Also, yes, most people who watch the show are dumber than your average book reader, so things do need to be painted simpler for that audience. I seriously think a lot of you will be happier abandoning the show, waiting for TWoW, then coming back to the show after Fatty dies with the final book unfinished.

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[Phoenix Dark]

I don't think anyone is surprised by what happened to the baby; we already knew they were sacrificed to the Others. The surprising thing is that

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the episode showed the Land of Always Winter as well as the Night's King.

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Again, I have to say... what's the big fucking deal to that. Did you surmise that they were both fairy tales? People thought the Others were fairy tales before they came back. And again, the show has to tell the story in a different manner than the books, which can hint and foreshadow around the edges way more effectively than the show can. Also, yes, most people who watch the show are dumber than your average book reader, so things do need to be painted simpler for that audience. I seriously think a lot of you will be happier abandoning the show, waiting for TWoW, then coming back to the show after Fatty dies with the final book unfinished.

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Dunno if this is troll shit or not. But I've never liked the "lol what's the big deal nerds" angle in relation to...just about anything.

From what we know D&D have been given broad strokes about what happens. So I'm going to assume bringing up the Night's King this season means it's pretty damn important. I'm assuming you haven't paid much attention to the various theories on westeros.org and reddit, but tonight's episode potentially shitcanned a few (Stannis being the next Nights King) and gave others a lot more credence, including the idea that the Others were once human and are not a separate magical race like the children of the forest.

Basically if you're into northern lore that ending kicked your ass. It's crazy that just a couple weeks ago people were theorizing about the Wall being built by the Others and the Starks having a connection to them, and now there's just enough evidence to give those theories fuel until TWOW arrives.

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I'm going to keep watching, and never contemplated stopping. Is it a spoiler? Yes and no; on one hand it confirmed shit we already knew, on the other hand it confirmed something we didn't know, while opening the door to a bunch of other crazy shit. I'm excited.

TWOW 2015 bros. Believe.

[ZephyrFate]

He's been trolling GoT threads for a long time now because he really wants us to know how much he doesn't like ASOIAF

[Phoenix Dark]

Nah it's moreso "hey guys chill out it's not even that good" which is worse. Sure that's an opinion and it's valid, but I don't buy it from Triumph. Just seems like trolling to me, especially when it becomes "oh you guys are excited about that thing that happened? You know it's overrated right LOL." Shit is wack.

I'm not mad though. I'm pretty damn excited about this.

Back to the episode: no follow up on Jaime raping Cersei, as expected. It was a shock scene inserted for no reason, or deliberately edited to look like rape. Just stupid shit...these show runners...

[Phoenix Dark]

Really don't want another "literature" derail but yes, Wolfe is one of the best American writers and trumps many "literary" authors.

Sucks that Olenna is heading back to Highgarden, it would have made a lot of sense to keep her in King's Landing. Her scenes are always good.

[Rufus]

Triumph has been beating the "Patrick Rothfuss > GRRM" drum for so long that I'm probably going to pick up The Name of the Wind one of these days.

It's a Mary Sue children's book (young adult, if you will). I couldn't be bothered to pick up the second novel.

[Himu]

Back to the episode: no follow up on Jaime raping Cersei, as expected. It was a shock scene inserted for no reason, or deliberately edited to look like rape. Just stupid shit...these show runners...

This is what pushed me over the edge to giving up on the show.

[huckleberry]

So whats up with the Dreadfort guy showing up at the wall? Maybe I missed something from last episode.

[Human Snorenado]

I don't believe I've ever said Rothfuss > GRRM. But The Name of the Wind was an inarguably well written book. Of course, he spent like 9 years writing and re-writing it, so it had better be.

My position has always been pretty straight forward- the books are good, some of them are really, really good, but I don't put them on the pedestal y'all do. Others have agreed with me in here. There is certainly an element of trolling, but that's just because you guys are uber-predictable about anything that sullies the good name of the super awesomest mega fantastic book series of all time!

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Some of those "theories that got wrecked" were wack as fuck and had little chance of being true. 

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So whats up with the Dreadfort guy showing up at the wall? Maybe I missed something from last episode.

I'm assuming he's a plot device, it seems pretty obvious what they're going to have him try to do in the next episode. I can't imagine the Boltons are very happy about having a Stark bastard to the north of them...

[Human Snorenado]

Martin always centers the story around point of view characters, so there would have been no way to write that last scene in one of the books. 

Works for me.

Fucking exactly.

[Diunx]

Triumph has been beating the "Patrick Rothfuss > GRRM" drum for so long that I'm probably going to pick up The Name of the Wind one of these days.

It's a Mary Sue children's book (young adult, if you will). I couldn't be bothered to pick up the second novel.

I actually like both books but this is a pretty accurate description, is like Harry Potter only that Harry here is some supernatural sex god.

[Diunx]

Martin always centers the story around point of view characters, so there would have been no way to write that last scene in one of the books. 

Works for me.

Ghost, Summer Bran, Tree Bran, Mel's Fires.

[Human Snorenado]

Martin always centers the story around point of view characters, so there would have been no way to write that last scene in one of the books. 

Works for me.

Ghost, Summer Bran, Tree Bran, Mel's Fires.

...all of which are told from a character's perspective. Which main character is gonna get THAT chapter? You tell me.

[Mandark]

Baby I

[ZephyrFate]

Martin always centers the story around point of view characters, so there would have been no way to write that last scene in one of the books. 

Works for me.

Ghost, Summer Bran, Tree Bran, Mel's Fires.

...all of which are told from a character's perspective. Which main character is gonna get THAT chapter? You tell me.

There is always a way for Bran to see that occur considering the powers he's attaining.

[Phoenix Dark]

Actually

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It seems like Bran can't see into the Land of Always Winter due to whatever veil surrounds it (and Asshai). He's shown a glimpse of it in the first book before seeing various dreamers impaled on spikes surrounding the area, at which point he wakes up.

Maybe he'll become a good enough warg to pull it off, who knows. Also I'm going to assume there are no living animals or heart trees to warg there. I think the only way to get there is through the caves.

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[Diunx]

Martin always centers the story around point of view characters, so there would have been no way to write that last scene in one of the books. 

Works for me.

Ghost, Summer Bran, Tree Bran, Mel's Fires.

...all of which are told from a character's perspective. Which main character is gonna get THAT chapter? You tell me.

...are you serious? Bran or Jon/ghost.

[Himu]

someone link me to the westeros thread on the Night's King

i want comedy

[ZephyrFate]

She should definitely have molested and/or raped him. Only fair in Thrones-verse.

[ZephyrFate]

Women can never rape. It's basically fact.

this conversation feels strangely awkward considering my avatar

[Phoenix Dark]

someone link me to the westeros thread on the Night's King

i want comedy

Can't link now but the Heresy thread has gone into overdrive, as the episode pretty much confirmed what they've been rambling about for years. Those threads are like a community in of itself. I used to troll them lol.

[Diunx]

Won't lie, I got legitimate chills when the camera panned back to reveal the Targaryen flag flying over Mereen at the end of Dany's scene. Legit empire-building.

The Margaery/Tommen scene was pretty hilarious. I wonder if show Tommen J/Os at this point. Book Tommen certainly doesn't, but show Tommen is another matter. I would have probably gone 10-12 times that night if Natalie Dormer came and had that interaction with me when I was that age. Nice.

I won't lie, I was wondering exactly that during that scene, no way he didn't jerk it.

[Phoenix Dark]

Women can never rape. It's basically fact.

this conversation feels strangely awkward considering my avatar

Lucrecia, the one true Cersei

[Phoenix Dark]

From the unreleased part of Martin's interview with Rolling Stone

On the parentage of Jon Snow:
Benioff and Weiss later said that during that meeting you asked them who they think Jon Snow's mother was, which is one of the earliest — and seemingly one of the central — mysteries in A Song of Ice and Fire.
I did ask that at one point, just to see how closely they'd read the text.

Did they get it right?
They answered correctly.

(spoiler tagged the last part just in case)

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Some readers, I think, would also ask who Jon Snow's father truly is, even though Jon was always claimed to be Ned Stark's bastard son.
[Martin smiles] On this I shall not speak. I shall maintain my enigmatic silence, until I get to it in the books.

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http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/george-r-r-martin-outtakes-from-the-rolling-stone-interview-20140428#ixzz30KmowiBi

Martin said like 12 years ago that he'd reveal it in TWOW.
 

[ZephyrFate]

Women can never rape. It's basically fact.

this conversation feels strangely awkward considering my avatar

Lucrecia, the one true Cersei

Illythia, the one true boy-raper

[Phoenix Dark]

Women can never rape. It's basically fact.

this conversation feels strangely awkward considering my avatar

Lucrecia, the one true Cersei

Illythia, the one true boy-raper

I got my names mixed up

Illythia

also Gannicus should have replaced the old Daario. He actually has some swagger.

[ZephyrFate]

I'm bold-faced surprised that no Spartacus actors have shown up in GoT. Dustin Clare would kill whatever role they gave him.

Though I don't know who's left that he could portray...

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Victarion? 

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[Diunx]

He would be better as The Crow's eye.

[El Babua]

Brehs...

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/official-game-of-thrones-season-4-thread-the-north-remembers-no-spoilers.161768/page-611#post-8269492
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/official-game-of-thrones-season-4-thread-the-north-remembers-no-spoilers.161768/page-612#post-8270862
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/official-game-of-thrones-season-4-thread-the-north-remembers-no-spoilers.161768/page-613#post-8271652

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[Phoenix Dark]

You got a couple struggle houses down for the cause, meanwhile your Hand of the King is following that reading rainbow word to LeVar Burton. nikka's still struggling with cursive and has Shireen filling out his credit request forms for him

Somebody explain to me how Grey Worm is reading at a higher grade level than Davos already? Davos is getting trained by a highborn "princess" while Grey Weezy is getting trained by a former slave. Nas was right, public schools do nurture teen talents

yooooo 

[Phoenix Dark]

. I don't know about y'all but I think Jojen might have that house in Virginia. Is that how these Crannogmen get down? I guess they don't call it the Neck for nothing

[Beezy]

 

[Human Snorenado]

#StannisSet...you thought this was gonna be an all Lannister sonning? All this talk of honor and rights and Stannis is burning his own people at the stake. Nobody likes their inlaws but this is how you treat your squad?

 

[Himu]

Didn't link to exact post. Here you go.

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/8269492/
http://www.thecoli.com/posts/8270862
http://www.thecoli.com/posts/8271652/

[Human Snorenado]

Ser Pounce? You tryna play with the wrong p*ssy, my dude

[Phoenix Dark]

Someone transcribed Ser Duncan The Tall's page from the White Book in episode 1.
http://i.imgur.com/3bQWpCq.jpg

"Blackfyre Rebellion. Raised to Lord Commander of the Kingsguard by King Aegon V, his former squire. Was a member of the honour guard that escored Maester Aemon, formerly of house Targaryen and the king's uncle, to the Wall. Defeated all challengers at the tourney of Pennytree, which Aegon V held in his honour, and named a commoner as Queen of Love and Beauty. Rescued the daughter of Lord Damon Lannister from Pyke after her ship was taken by Greyjoy raiders.

Perished in the mysterious fires at Summerhall with King Aegon and Prince Duncan."

[Diunx]

Where is the Dunk And Egg story we were supposed to get this year?

[Phoenix Dark]

It was delayed so Martin can finish TWOW. It'll cover Dunk and Egg's travel to Winterfell and presumably confirm that

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Bran's vision of a woman in Winterfell kissing a tall knight=Old Nan and Ser Duncan

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[Phoenix Dark]

Brandalf The Green

[Steve Contra]

Best episode of the season so far last night.

[Beezy]

What was ruined from the books in this episode, guys?

[Steve Contra]

I hope they just start ruining more and more of TWoW this season 

[Human Snorenado]

What was ruined from the books in this episode, guys?

Not a goddamn thing, you fucking pussies

[ZephyrFate]

What was ruined from the books in this episode, guys?

Quite a bit. The Arya/Hound scene, the Jon/Bran scene? which sort of interpreted that they (kind of) run into each other but makes a huge stupid fight scene out of it, and yet another "Cersei is totally sympathetic guys ok" scene that we really needed again.

[Phoenix Dark]

I guess the whole "Cersei tricking all three judges by pretending to be sympathetic" thing totally went over your head huh. (Technically she didn't talk to Mace, but went through his daughter instead)

[TakingBackSunday]

oh christ zephyr

[Human Snorenado]

Bitches gonna bitch. 

[ZephyrFate]

the amount that i care about your posts on ASOIAF:

[Human Snorenado]

the amount that i care about your posts on ASOIAF:

At least I don't wake up as cunt with her panties stuck in her vag every morning, you waste of oxygen.