Author Topic: Phoenix Wright 2: Justice for All! (Read 6343 times)

Himu · « **on:** January 17, 2007, 04:08:49 PM »

Who got this? I'm popping it in now! Can't WAIT!

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2007, 05:09:09 PM »

animu

demi · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2007, 05:31:12 PM »

cloudwalking gave me her japanese copy...

The Sceneman · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2007, 06:32:06 PM »

I got the japanese version when that came out.

Its not as good as the 1st game imo, but it's still awesome

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2007, 07:54:13 PM »

Quote from: Scenester on January 17, 2007, 06:32:06 PM

I got the japanese version when that came out.

Its not as good as the 1st game imo, but it's still awesome

Wow, I'm definitely not playing this game now.

Yeti · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2007, 10:08:54 PM »

crap, I need to get this game.

aren't they up to Phoenix Wright 5 in Japan by now?

Himu · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2007, 10:28:36 PM »

PW4 is announced but not out yet

Beezy · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2007, 11:11:41 PM »

I bought it earlier today. I'll try to play before I go to sleep.

Himu · « **Reply #8 on:** January 18, 2007, 01:07:45 AM »

Impressions:

- Dialog and character expressions are still as good as ever. The convict for the first trial was a laugh riot.
- So far it's the same old thing, but that's a GREAT thing.
- I was really hoping they'd get rid of the silly animu magic thing (like the Fey's, who can talk to the dead). It felt so out of place in the original, but it seems it's even more plentiful in the sequel.
- Presenting profiles adds another new dynamic to pressing and pointing out contradictions.
- It's still trial and error, but it's fun trial and error.
- The music seems to be a bit better this time.

I'm really liking case 2. The story is more involving than what was presented in many cases in the original, and the characters are all interesting. I can't get enough of Phoenix Wright. Despite the fact there's been silly "spirit channellings" involved I'm finding myself not minding much.

I love Maya despite that so I'm sure that's why. I'm on the edge of my seat for this case!

Vizzys · « **Reply #9 on:** January 18, 2007, 02:14:10 AM »

Yes the megatama (I think thats what its called) is used frequently. Get used to it. Also the game has really out of place
internet fads (memes) placed into the dialog. It sucks.

You like maya because pearls clothes are way too small for her. PEDO.

Himu · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2007, 02:29:33 AM »

Jeez, PW2 is so much harder than the first.

This game is adventure game sex. With all the people saying it's not as good as the first, I've found they've upped the ant on almost every single problem I had with the first one, with the exception of the supernatural elements. But even then, they've presented the supernatural stuff a more interesting way than in the first so I don't really mind, even though I still think it's stupid.

I've been stumped on Case 2 for a while and this is a good thing.

There's this new feature called Psylocks. They're basically locks that appear around a character whenever you're looking for some clues and they're hiding something. The bigger the secret, the more locks, and in order to unlock just one lock you have to show enough substantial evidence while trying to get the character to spit out the juicy bits. The thing is that if you present a character the wrong info as you're unlocking, you lose health (there's a health bar in PW2, both in court and on the field). When you lose all your health it's game over. This gives the player more incentive to think over their case, clues, and the overall situation before guessing so I've found it to be a lot more open ended than the first.

I think I'm half way done with the second case. It's pretty long.

Vizzys · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2007, 04:28:27 AM »

I almost gagged when I read "your the man now doll" in that game.

GilloD · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2007, 10:56:51 AM »

I just. I mean.

Here's my PW experience:

- Click around a mostly static environment until you find something
- Attempt to go to court/open new dialog
- Realize you must have missed something
- Click around another static environment
- Repeat until court time
- Experience a court room "comedy" that's about as funny as Everyone Loves Raymond
- Realize there is almost no way to lose and that if you do, somehow, lose, the case will unfold exactly the same way
- Just press everyone, okay?
- Repeat 5 times and endure the adulation of people who have no taste.

This isn't adventure gaming, this is. Hanging out with Grandma gaming.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2007, 12:46:05 PM »

Right on the money, GilloD. It's just wacky animu fanservice.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2007, 01:19:16 PM »

Pretty much what GilloD said.

Himu · « **Reply #15 on:** January 20, 2007, 01:38:44 PM »

Whatever. I like it. The only thing I don't like are the stupid animu elements like MIA POSSESSES MAYA OMG SHES' BACK FROM THE DEAD bullshit and how she interuppts my goddamn cases.

I don't see what's wrong with static enviroments at all, really. I think it's fun.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #16 on:** January 20, 2007, 01:55:03 PM »

It's not terrible, there's just a ton of shit I rather do. For instance, read a book or actually play a game.

Himu · « **Reply #17 on:** January 20, 2007, 02:13:04 PM »

I don't see how PW is not a game.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #18 on:** January 20, 2007, 02:27:24 PM »

It feels like an animated story where you press a few buttons to get to the next screen.

Granted, I've never played any other point-and-click adventure games.

Himu · « **Reply #19 on:** January 20, 2007, 02:33:41 PM »

Other point and clicks really aren't any different. PW just lacks a open and enviroments and stuff, but even then, with point and click you're still limited.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #20 on:** January 20, 2007, 02:36:27 PM »

I guess it's just not my cup of tea.

GilloD · « **Reply #21 on:** January 20, 2007, 06:09:09 PM »

I really loved the first 2 cases of the first game. But it's the way that the game pretty much FORCES you to win. You NEED to get all the clues in order to win the case. It's an "On Rails" adventure game. I would've liked if there were maybe 4 or 5 "secret" clues in every scenario that would make the case easier to win. Say, a hidden murder weapon or a missing shoe or whatever. Just some intrigue.

Once I realized that the entire game was "Tap tap tap read tap read tap tap read read", it got old quick. It was like doing the same logic puzzle over and over.

bork · « **Reply #22 on:** January 20, 2007, 09:32:59 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2007, 02:13:04 PM

I don't see how PW is not a game.

It's indeed a game, one made in the style of older point and click adventure games like The Unvited, Deja Vu, and Shadowgate.

Himu · « **Reply #23 on:** January 21, 2007, 03:11:09 AM »

Quote from: lyte edge on January 20, 2007, 09:32:59 PM

Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2007, 02:13:04 PM
I don't see how PW is not a game.

It's indeed a game, one made in the style of older point and click adventure games like The Unvited, Deja Vu, and Shadowgate.

Exactly my point.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #24 on:** January 21, 2007, 03:13:49 AM »

I like how Himuro is all I HATE ANIMU but is a big ol Apologist when it comes to this game.

Its called BEING A POSER.

Take my advice, its better NOT to take a polarized stand towards some things.

Himu · « **Reply #25 on:** January 21, 2007, 03:33:28 AM »

PW isn't animu. Really, the only animu related things going on in PW is the stupid supernatural bullshit and the character designs.

I have no problem with animu, I like some anime depending on what it is. My problem is ridiculous plot lines and stuff like that. Summons turning into motor bikes and shit (FFXIII). feggits who've lived in a house for 7 years without coming out once for bullshit reasons (ToA). Crappy over the top stories that don't fit in it's time line with taco shop keepers who sell you things while flirting with you (Shadow Hearts Covenant).

I don't mind animu as long as it fits or it's presented well, and PW's pro's out weigh it's negatives. In any case, PW is fun enough for me to forget the animu, and it's setting compliments the over the top animu stuff, so it's not all that bad at all.

If I had a problem with all animu I would probably not like any Japanese games at all MAF. There is a time when you just deal with stuff in order to have fun. If I have to deal with faggoty women who can contact the dead while having a fun as hell adventure game, I don't mind. Because it's fun.

I spooge over Shin Megami Tensei and it could be considered animu, but I love it. Why? Because it has ass kicking, demons, eating things alive, mature themes, and it doesn't insult my intelligence. Animu isn't bad, depending on what it is, so you can stop generalizing MAF, and go back to your business.

Vizzys · « **Reply #26 on:** January 21, 2007, 03:53:47 AM »

Digital Devil Saga am fuck awesome.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #27 on:** January 21, 2007, 04:24:54 AM »

All I heard was BLAH BLAH BLAH lol

Beezy · « **Reply #28 on:** January 21, 2007, 04:59:33 AM »

Does animu mean anything different from anime?

demi · « **Reply #29 on:** January 21, 2007, 05:15:04 AM »

I like animu. I mean, I GUESS I could watch ONE PIECE but I have my limits.

GilloD · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2007, 11:16:12 AM »

Quote from: lyte edge on January 20, 2007, 09:32:59 PM

Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2007, 02:13:04 PM
I don't see how PW is not a game.

It's indeed a game, one made in the style of older point and click adventure games like The Unvited, Deja Vu, and Shadowgate.

I call bullshit on this. Those were great games. They did not take place in a collection of static environments, there was a kind of alchemy to the way you had to use inventory to advance to new screens. The puzzles were different everytime and your success was not a requirement to advance; It was incredibly easy to die and/or invoke a fatally false solution.

PW is the same logic puzzle over and over (Find out where x is lying, call them on it) where it is nearly impossible to fail (You MUST have found all the evidence to advance to trial).

Himu · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2007, 01:05:56 PM »

Quote from: Beezy on January 21, 2007, 04:59:33 AM

Does animu mean anything different from anime?

No.

Yeti · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2007, 01:14:55 PM »

Quote from: GilloD on January 21, 2007, 11:16:12 AM

Quote from: lyte edge on January 20, 2007, 09:32:59 PM
Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2007, 02:13:04 PM
I don't see how PW is not a game.

It's indeed a game, one made in the style of older point and click adventure games like The Unvited, Deja Vu, and Shadowgate.

I call bullshit on this. Those were great games. They did not take place in a collection of static environments, there was a kind of alchemy to the way you had to use inventory to advance to new screens. The puzzles were different everytime and your success was not a requirement to advance; It was incredibly easy to die and/or invoke a fatally false solution.

PW is the same logic puzzle over and over (Find out where x is lying, call them on it) where it is nearly impossible to fail (You MUST have found all the evidence to advance to trial).

Kind of like having to use the right piece of evidence to advance to the next stage of the cross examination?

GilloD · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2007, 01:20:25 PM »

Quote from: Yeti on January 21, 2007, 01:14:55 PM

Quote from: GilloD on January 21, 2007, 11:16:12 AM
Quote from: lyte edge on January 20, 2007, 09:32:59 PM
Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2007, 02:13:04 PM
I don't see how PW is not a game.

It's indeed a game, one made in the style of older point and click adventure games like The Unvited, Deja Vu, and Shadowgate.

I call bullshit on this. Those were great games. They did not take place in a collection of static environments, there was a kind of alchemy to the way you had to use inventory to advance to new screens. The puzzles were different everytime and your success was not a requirement to advance; It was incredibly easy to die and/or invoke a fatally false solution.

PW is the same logic puzzle over and over (Find out where x is lying, call them on it) where it is nearly impossible to fail (You MUST have found all the evidence to advance to trial).

Kind of like having to use the right piece of evidence to advance to the next stage of the cross examination?

But again, it's the SAME puzzle over and over. It's "What part of x colludes with y?".

Himu · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2007, 01:45:44 PM »

Quote from: GilloD on January 21, 2007, 01:20:25 PM

But again, it's the SAME puzzle over and over. It's "What part of x colludes with y?".

Kind of like how in most point and clicks it's "mix object x with y" or present object x to person y?"

Unless we're talking Grim Fandango, which has the best puzzle variety, it's just mixing things and presenting them to people, which is what most traditional adventure games boil down. Your description mostly describes the entire genre, it's just PW does it another way.

Hell, even I'll admit I wish PW was more non linear, but I'm not going to get that and I'm not going to complain that much, because you come down to it, adventure games aren't really a non linear genre. Play Monkey Island and you'll see that it's just as restrictive and linear as Phoenix Wright, the difference being you actually walk to places by clicking.

Beezy · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2007, 08:36:07 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on January 21, 2007, 01:05:56 PM

Quote from: Beezy on January 21, 2007, 04:59:33 AM
Does animu mean anything different from anime?

No.

Then what's the point?

Himu · « **Reply #36 on:** January 22, 2007, 12:44:54 AM »

It makes fun of it the word becos anime is lol (depending on what anime it is)

Vizzys · « **Reply #37 on:** January 22, 2007, 12:47:13 AM »

becos LOL

Himu · « **Reply #38 on:** January 22, 2007, 12:47:42 AM »

LOL

btw case 3 owns

The Sceneman · « **Reply #39 on:** January 22, 2007, 12:48:34 AM »

Case 3 is probably my favourite case in PW2. Gaffers wank all over Case 4 but they are fegs lol

Director Hotti is probably the best character tho. I love his theme music.

Vizzys · « **Reply #40 on:** January 22, 2007, 12:49:27 AM »

which one was case three again the circus?

The Sceneman · « **Reply #41 on:** January 22, 2007, 12:51:54 AM »

Yep the circus

Beezy · « **Reply #42 on:** January 22, 2007, 12:52:49 AM »

I'm playing Case 3 right now. Just finished the first day of the trial.

Btw, there's a lot of pedo and perverted coments in the game so far. Everyone loves Pearl and especially Regina.

Himu · « **Reply #43 on:** January 22, 2007, 12:55:33 AM »

Yeah that's hilarious how they all love regina and she's only 16 but pearls is a cutie button

Ive noticed a lot of pokes at erection jokes and shit

Beezy · « **Reply #44 on:** January 22, 2007, 01:07:53 AM »

Quote from: Himuro on January 22, 2007, 12:55:33 AM

Yeah that's hilarious how they all love regina and she's only 16 but pearls is a cutie button

Ive noticed a lot of pokes at erection jokes and shit

I can't help but smile whenever she covers her face and looks at you through her fingers.

Vizzys · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2007, 01:25:25 AM »

GAME FOR PEDOS CONFIRMED.

Beezy · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2007, 01:27:50 AM »

Shit, I can't think of an Earthbound joke. $:-\$

Vizzys · « **Reply #47 on:** January 22, 2007, 01:32:42 AM »

Bleach is the new thing to hate on.

Beezy · « **Reply #48 on:** January 22, 2007, 01:34:02 AM »

I like Bleach though. Both manga and anime.

Vizzys · « **Reply #49 on:** January 22, 2007, 01:42:08 AM »

Good man.

Himu · « **Reply #50 on:** January 22, 2007, 01:02:07 PM »

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT PW2

Himu · « **Reply #51 on:** January 23, 2007, 12:15:25 PM »

I finished case 3 in PW2, and I think it's my favorite PW case so far. It was completely different from the others - the witness at least. I felt really bad getting that Not Guilty because it seems in the PW universe, getting a murder charge equals the death penalty...and I sympathized with the murderer so...

Vizzys · « **Reply #52 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:47:05 PM »

The next case has that will powers guy. my savegame got erased here.

demi · « **Reply #53 on:** February 04, 2007, 12:54:21 PM »

I'm wrapping up the fourth case.

This game is stank ass compared to the first.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #54 on:** February 04, 2007, 01:14:43 PM »

both games were pretty stank ass

demi · « **Reply #55 on:** February 04, 2007, 01:16:27 PM »

You're welcome to put up an argument, but I rather like these type of games. I'm just saying the quality isn't as good as the first one.

And if they do a third one, I'll play that too.

I'm not going to stop you from playing a new Xenosaga, and you won't stop me from playing a new Phoenix Wright.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #56 on:** February 04, 2007, 01:18:42 PM »

ah, but with a new xenosaga, i usually stop after about 1/5th of the game and then sell it back, all the while blushing with terrible shame at having been duped by gaf and my own need for turn-based number-crunching.

the phoenix wright games are third-rate PC adventure games with animu faces. pass!

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #57 on:** February 04, 2007, 02:22:21 PM »

My g/f played my copy more than I did. Now she has the sequel. Maybe I'll pop one or the other in some day.

Himu · « **Reply #58 on:** February 04, 2007, 02:24:05 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 04, 2007, 12:54:21 PM

I'm wrapping up the fourth case.

This game is stank ass compared to the first.

Dunno about that. What don't you like? I think the cases are better. The third and fourth case tend to put a unique spin on things, and are more memable than half the cases on the first.

The dialogue isn't better, but I think the gameplay is a big improvement.

Beezy · « **Reply #59 on:** February 04, 2007, 03:15:24 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on February 04, 2007, 02:24:05 PM

Quote from: demi on February 04, 2007, 12:54:21 PM
I'm wrapping up the fourth case.

This game is stank ass compared to the first.

Dunno about that. What don't you like? I think the cases are better. The third and fourth case tend to put a unique spin on things, and are more memable than half the cases on the first.

The dialogue isn't better, but I think the gameplay is a big improvement.

Part of what made the first one special to me was the music. The music in Justice For All is good, but it can't compare to PW1.

Also, I think Justice For All's cases are just as good as PW1's cases, but the characters that you encounter are worse. Goddamn clown...

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Author Topic: Phoenix Wright 2: Justice for All! (Read 6343 times)