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« on: April 05, 2014, 04:23:52 PM »
Sometimes i talk with himumu about daoism / religion / buddhism occasionally and share materials, I thought it'd be cool if anyone else wanted to post up or read anything or contribute. I know that in our current world, these are considered outdated or pointless ways, but eh. Post whatever you want, anything. Even if it's atheist. This isn't just supposed to be a topic on asian stuff either, seriously every faith religion or philosophy is fair game.




Thought Krishnamurti would be an interesting way to cap it off.


I'm currently reading this:

http://hermitmusic.tripod.com/daoism_and_chinese_culture.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2014, 04:28:47 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2014, 04:35:44 PM »
I thought we already had a thread for fantasy. Mods can you lock this thread, I don't see how it serves a function to discuss fairy tales like they're true. Sometimes I leave The Bore on my computer screen, I wouldn't want my little cousins exposed to destruction religious "ideals."




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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2014, 05:16:39 PM »
Can I get a summary before I jump in? Did you decide to forgo the hallucinogens and go for meditation instead?
To be honest, I just started watching it but I've listened to Graham Hancock before on Joe Rogan's podcast and I find his ideas about spirituality, archeology, and consciousness rather interesting.

Graham's theory about consciousness is that it doesn't originate from our brains but instead it is picked up by our brains like an antenna would with a TV channel or a radio signal. I don't know if that's the main focus of this talk though.

And no, I haven't had any hallucinogens or had any time to meditate. Still trying to educate myself about this stuff. 

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2014, 05:18:47 PM »
I have explored religion and philosophies for a long time. I am atheist. I am not Buddhist in that I have not taken precepts. However, it is definitely the religion I that gels with my ideals the most. The problem is that I cannot attend dharma talks at local temples too often because they are so far away (as far as 40-50 minutes).

What drew me to philosophies again was that, as an atheist, you live a life without a guide. I have enough self confidence and self assurance to know what is right and wrong, for the most part, without religion or philosophy. But being atheist or non-religious still doesn't fix the human problem: the knowledge we are all going to die, the pain and suffering that is life, and how to truly leave a good mark on this world when we do perish.

Buddhism is the only religion or philosophy I've seen address any and all of these things. I studied a lot of western philosophy, and found no answers, only questions. It works for me. I'm not looking for commandments or how to be a good person or eternal bliss, I just want a useful to make living life less painful and to enjoy it more. Meditation and Buddhism have helped, a bit.

I dunno, it clicks with me. Every time I read some Buddha quote or read the Pali canon, it resonates as true and relevant, even in 2014. The fact that I don't have to believe in any supernatural elements and can come up to my own conclusions is icing on the cake. The Zen Center I attend has people of all different kinds of faiths coming to gain knowledge: Catholics, other types of Christians, Muslims, Hindus. I like that even if I discard the religious element of Buddhism, I still gain pragmatic and practical teachings of life that are relevant and appealing.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2014, 05:37:51 PM »
Saw title; though 'himu' thread.  Pleasantly surprised.  Open thread; see 'himu' in first line.

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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2014, 05:53:32 PM »
I sincerely believe you don't need religion to address the human condition at all. For myself though, spiritual practices have helped *me* contextualize a lot of things, but that's just me.

To be honest, I just started watching it but I've listened to Graham Hancock before on Joe Rogan's podcast and I find his ideas about spirituality, archeology, and consciousness rather interesting.

Graham's theory about consciousness is that it doesn't originate from our brains but instead it is picked up by our brains like an antenna would with a TV channel or a radio signal. I don't know if that's the main focus of this talk though.

And no, I haven't had any hallucinogens or had any time to meditate. Still trying to educate myself about this stuff. 

Huh, that's interesting. I might give it a runthrough later if it isnt too smartdumb.

Maybe not religion, but a philosophy of some kind, I think so.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2014, 06:01:42 PM »
I didn't say anything about books. Philosophy can be cultural values and friendships. Philosophies are essentially ideas. that you live your life by. You certainly need something.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2014, 06:05:31 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2014, 08:18:26 PM »
You know what else is a philosophy?  :hitler

My parents are basically Christian but they've never taken me to church and rarely express it. I had effectively a kids Bible type deal when younger, which I read because I read everything, from a collection of like Robin Hood and other stuff type books. So I've never had an r/athiest stage, most of my friends have though. I've always been fascinated by the internet arguments (and real life too I suppose) how much fervor is put into disproving "factual" claims. It seems like an odd endeavor. More than once I've tried to contend that the Bible is essentially a series of allegories to impart a moral philosophy which can be separated from the details and that most people agree on six of the ten commandments. This usually angers both the moral majority and r/atheists arguing because they want to debate whether Goliath turned water into wine while hiding planes in the tundra.

What drew me to philosophies again was that, as an atheist, you live a life without a guide. I have enough self confidence and self assurance to know what is right and wrong, for the most part, without religion or philosophy. But being atheist or non-religious still doesn't fix the human problem: the knowledge we are all going to die, the pain and suffering that is life, and how to truly leave a good mark on this world when we do perish.
Not to make this seem like I'm singling you out Himu, you just brought it up. This kind of negative view is one of the few issues I tend to have with the religious. Too often in the context of "without an outside moral code, you'll just end up killing people!" And I think it's mainly projection. (None of this is to say there is no role for philosophy, just that I find it natural instead of essential.)

There doesn't need to be a reason beyond life existing. Focusing on the pain and suffering of life is to compare it to an utopian ideal when failure is the essential of life. Worrying about death, about a meaning in life, about making sure you have a legacy, etc. seems self-centered to me, it's a cry of "I mattered!" To bring this around to the GAF thread, there's a similar notion to Presidencies. Presidents effectively "die" when they leave office, and nobody gives a shit about their life beforehand, so their entire "legacy" is confined to those four or eight years. It drives a need for marked accomplishments, for claim and blame of good and bad, for monuments. There's a decided bias in historiography against Presidents who "accomplish" something that changes the world. World War III would change the world. A President who started it would be forever praised by the high priests of history, assuming he won it later, because he was consequential.

Life is the same way, but it need not be. You are one of seven billion but you are always having your own impact in your own way, even if you can't see it. Maybe you think your grand glory is breaking Sony insider information, but you never see the Off-Topic post you make on some random topic that causes someone to rethink things, switch their majors and eventually cure some disease. But that's not a stone monument which will last eons after your gone reminding others that you once existed.

As they say, graves are full of indispensable men.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2014, 08:29:47 PM »
I never said that you need religion to live a moral code. I didn't even bring up a moral code. I'm not talking about ethics or even conduct. I even said in the post that ethics have nothing to do with atheism. As an atheist, I have no backbone or base. I do things because I feel they are right. But something still seems missing. I'm talking me, myself, and I in that post. Not all atheists as a whole. But I long for philosophical underpinings that expand beyond "I DO WHAT I WANT!" For one thing, that's a very selfish worldview. Another thing, it has no structure. I pine for structure and I know a philosophy can give it to me. But again, like I said, that is the great secret to life and the a part of the human condition: the search for truth.

Again, that post is mostly about myself and my own journey.

Also, please do not call me my name on this forum. On here I am Himuro.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2014, 08:33:20 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2014, 09:41:23 PM »
R/daoism doesn't have too many people. And the people it does have are very elitist. Critique the Tao of Pooh I dare you. :ufup Also, r/Buddhism seems to be getting worse and r/Zen is an elitist cesspool. Full of very unhelpful people who are like,"what is good, what is bad, man? Just part of our heads, man."
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2014, 09:45:50 PM »
R/Buddhism is nothing like that.

I find that Zen and Daoism sometimes attract some...very assured people.
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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2014, 09:46:14 PM »
I never said that you need religion to live a moral code. I didn't even bring up a moral code. I'm not talking about ethics or even conduct. I even said in the post that ethics have nothing to do with atheism. As an atheist, I have no backbone or base. I do things because I feel they are right. But something still seems missing. I'm talking me, myself, and I in that post.
I apologize because I was not trying to imply that you were nor directing anything at you. Merely using the quote as a jumping off point. The "moral code" aspect is simply one that I often find in connection with the notion of needing a guide. That if you don't follow the Bible, or whatever, that people will have no guide and just go around killing each other because why not, there's no meaning to life might as well rape and pillage. But it was not my intent to claim that was you or like you or to say anything really about you other than to use the sentiments expressed in the quoted part as justification to discuss my own self-centered interests. So again, I apologize.

I have edited my post.

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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2014, 09:50:49 PM »
No it is okay. It is an important talking point and one I wholeheartedly agree with. There's lots to life that gives atheists a reason to live. More than that, I often feel like many believers treat God like a babysitter. Like, the babysitter says not to put your sister in the toilet. And you don't...when she is around, but when she's not around it is all game. If that's how you are thinking, then you're not exactly a good brother and by extension, if you need God's existence to stop you from killing others, you're not a very good person.
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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2014, 09:52:38 PM »
I have a multitude of beliefs and metaphysical theories that I'm basically embarrassed to share because I actually believe in them but they're based on introspection and treating hallucinogens as serious tools to explore consciousness and reality.


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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2014, 09:58:15 PM »
I have limited exposure to hallucinagins but I do admit, I always roll my eyes when people bring up acid or shrooms on r/Buddhism. It isn't that I don't find it as a good tool, it is just that many who have them for spiritual reasons act like they have found an ultimate reality or some secret unbeknownst to the rest of us. I'm open to it, but I do get annoyed when people liken it to enlightenment or something. But that is neither here nor there, and part of my own framework of feelings. I would say, don't mind posting it. We all have our own ideas and if there's anything I've kearned , it is that everyone's idea of truth is different and that doesn't mean we should turn others away. On the contrary, the truth is connected to all of us and all of us are capable of it, no matter the set of beliefs.
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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2014, 10:32:19 PM »
Shit. I tried. I just sound like a knob so I ended up deleting it. Smoke with me sometime though, and I'll share lol.

But some major themes is I believe life is all interconnected and there's a driving force behind it and I also believe in a strange sort of infinite infinities in which all possibilities exist.

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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2014, 10:35:58 PM »
You fucking wimp. JUST TELL US. I promise I will talk about meditation brain theory afterwards.
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2014, 10:54:53 PM »
Life is the same way, but it need not be. You are one of seven billion but you are always having your own impact in your own way, even if you can't see it. Maybe you think your grand glory is breaking Sony insider information, but you never see the Off-Topic post you make on some random topic that causes someone to rethink things, switch their majors and eventually cure some disease. But that's not a stone monument which will last eons after your gone reminding others that you once existed.

As they say, graves are full of indispensable men.
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2014, 03:09:17 AM »
I think r atheism was the wrong descriptor. What happened was that I eventually began to hate the religions around me at a young age. I hated being excluded and confused by christian and jewish customs, and the fighting I saw about them (gory, graphic abortion protests for example). I hated people teasing me about the way my gods looked or the dots on my foreheads. I hated the fear that they represented to me, of hell and damnation. And then when 9/11 happened and my temple was vandalized, I began to hate Islam for somehow managing to brand people that look like me as a threat. And for Pakistan and its terrorism. But I was just a child, and I was too prideful to talk about it with anyone and internalizing.

I never had a phase of arguing with people over particulars of religions scientific validity or not, but a stark phase of hating religion, even the one I was raised on when I realized how it tied in with class conflict.
I don't actually visit r/athiesm so I have no idea but I just assumed that descriptor was the type who, well if you go into any of the threads on the first couple pages of OT GAF, they're making multi-quote posts jumping on every single thing someone has posted. (Or quoting and taking issue with a certain somebody posting Always Sunny quotes without attribution.) Or the people who circle jerk over the seven days of creation like that's the biggest epic burn ever.

I think any teens and later re-evaluation of any belief system is merely natural, and the force of the backlash would obviously depend on the circumstances. For one of my friends it was not going to church with his family on Sunday for like a couple months before eventually getting back into all the youth groups and going to a Wesleyan university. For another it was basically becoming a literal walking neckbeard without the video games. (They were opiate of the masses too just like TV, but not like music and D&D.) You had some obviously more severe outside factors. But I think that "time of life" it's really just about questioning assumptions even if unintentionally because as a whole part of adolescence you're more or less establishing your independence informally. And religion is a big part of a lot of peoples lives so naturally that would get roped in.

[I'm wandering off here and less responding to Esch than I already was.]

One of the things I often ruminate on is the underrated use of the value of the failure or null condition. Either because of my dysthymia or my statistics wankery or both. In any case, I've always found the information of it to be intensely more valuable than success. Success is easy and tells you nothing. There's too much unseen involved. If you succeed endlessly you really gain a small share of information. But by failure you're effectively testing hypothesis and thus gaining information on what variables and conditions and factors are and are not relevant.

To tie it to the topic of this thread, we had fun with Himuro Plinko but essentially that's really a series of hypothesis testing, and the current Himuro has a broader set of information than if she "got it right" the first or second time. Now obviously information for informations sake doesn't have much value unless you're weird like me but most people if subconsciously process this information and avoid future failure conditions without realizing it. Some do this better than others. (For those that don't, they get posted on The Smoking Gun or The Darwin Awards.) But through this process you inch every closer to a form of information threshold where you're sated with enough success that you almost instinctively pursue failure to bring more information in. For some people this never comes, but for others it's their mid-life crisis or an affair/divorce, or apparently now you're supposed to have a 25 year old crisis or something so if you've missed yours get to it.

To attempt again to tie it to the topic of this thread. Since spirituality or purpose or what have you is almost by definition an unknown unknown in many ways it's a never ending set of null conditions. And so it's much easier for that to be under control and you just do whatever the bishop, scripture, Iman, L. Ron, etc. says to ensure success.

So what am I saying? Basically nothing but that I just rediscovered the fact that life has experiences. Give me my grant money you stupid taxpayers.
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2014, 03:17:50 AM »
Spencer doesn't want to post? Fine then. You don't get me talking about how silly the human brain is and how it's constantly making up stories as observed through concentration meditation.
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2014, 03:21:55 AM »
The human brain is a social construct.

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« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2014, 03:24:58 AM »
I'm going to post this metta (loving kindness) meditation.

Please try to include it in your day to day!

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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2014, 03:37:41 AM »
Unfortunately, I now forever associate Metta with Mr. World Peace.

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« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2014, 03:53:31 AM »
be good to others, and others will be good to you

enjoy this world and this life, and perhaps you'll enjoy what lies next

It's what it is for me.
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« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2014, 05:53:34 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2014, 08:04:43 AM »
r/ anything is awful. Please stop going to reddit. Wading through all of that shit to find a meaningful nugget of whatever can hardly be worth it.

...and that's actually my life philosophy in a nutshell. A lot of fatalism and nihilism up in hurr these days. "Being alive hasn't turned out so well. It's to be hoped we'll all be better at being dead."
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« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2014, 08:29:56 AM »
Honestly the anti-reddit brigade is silly. Reddit is a very useful site. Basing Reddit off the mainstream subs is stoopid. Reddit is a very large site and the subs I visit are very good.
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« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2014, 09:22:34 AM »
Maybe, but the god awful organization/layout of the site is something I simply can't look past. Couple that with the general terribleness and there you go. Fuck it.
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« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2014, 09:38:23 AM »
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For the love of fuck. I've been there plenty, and as stated, my inability to deal with their GOD AWFUL SITE DESIGN AND LAYOUT means I don't want to bother to wade through the shit to find anything decent. Or are you trying to say that, on balance, reddit is MOSTLY FULL OF USEFUL INFORMATION and I'm just full of shit? Because if so...

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« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2014, 10:35:28 AM »
Caveat- I am a straight, white, CIS male. Fitting into society isn't that hard for me, other than the fact that I'm a raging shitheel 95% of the time. So, obviously I can only suppose that for someone not like me there may be added benefit/feeling of community in participating in various sub-reddits. Since I hate people and interacting with them in general, that would probably hold no interest for me even if I was in various minority groups. So, YMMV.
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« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2014, 05:21:38 PM »
Islam is cool and all, it really isn't as bad as you may have heard from fox news
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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2014, 05:27:34 PM »
I believe in the church of worms. Meaning you live, you die, and then worms eat you after you decay and your coffin or ashes are exposed. 

And that's it. That's your life. Have fun.

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« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2014, 05:53:19 PM »
Interesting. It is certainly easier, but I'm of the opinion that individual research and journeys give you significantly better processing equipment to process whatever your L. Ron Hubbard tells you.
I agree with this, I was ruminating more on why people will take that path unlike how you and Himu were discussing more or less taking the best parts of various things.

Red Eye used to have Father Jonathan Morris on during their Good Period and I liked the way he talked about faith and such, and one of the things (in response to a viewer question) he said was to not be upset with a la carte/Sunday Christians but to pray for them to someday want to spend the time necessary to see the value of all of the Christian teachings. That that was its own reward, so those others aren't getting the same thing for free or less work.

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« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2014, 06:40:16 PM »
I believe in the church of worms. Meaning you live, you die, and then worms eat you after you decay and your coffin or ashes are exposed. 

And that's it. That's your life. Have fun.
Yeah, pretty much. Anything beyond that is wishful thinking to me.

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« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2014, 06:46:44 PM »
I personally hope there's nothing after this, and no greater meaning, etc etc etc. I already find this life to be exhausting and awful. Blackness, please.
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« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2014, 06:58:54 PM »
I'll leave it to one of the greatest scientists and educators of our time to share my views on spirituality

long dreamless sleep sounds aight to me. I was dead for billions of years before I was born, I'm okay with going back when the time comes.

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« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2014, 07:00:24 PM »
I wouldn't mind an afterlife so long as I got to see the universe develop. Turning into a ghost would be cooler though, but maybe that's just latent voyeurism.

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« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2014, 07:08:16 PM »
Without the thrill of maybe getting caught.  :fbm

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« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2014, 07:10:04 PM »
I wouldn't mind an afterlife so long as I got to see the universe develop. Turning into a ghost would be cooler though, but maybe that's just latent voyeurism.

That's the only real sad part of dying to me. It's not necessarily missing your friends and families. Which is not to denigrate those things.

It's not getting to see the universe and our culture expand (or regress). I wouldn't mind be a non-entity that could explore the universe without directly interacting with it. That's far more appealing to me than the traditional concept of heaven.

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« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2014, 07:36:38 PM »
Regarding death? I dont feel any sort of way about it. I just wanna make sure I do as little damage to mother earth as I go. Probably ask to get resomated and thrown in a nice garden somewhere. As far as the afterlife... im not preoccupied by it or thinking about mortality. Im just apathetic to it.

Not saying its not earnest but its also pretty easy to feel that way when you are your age. It seems like forever away.

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« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2014, 07:43:42 PM »
I think about mortality quite a bit. I'd say that I'm sadly pretty much in line with 1995 era Rust Cohle as far as my view of humanity and existence.
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« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2014, 07:58:51 PM »
Never really had any near death experiences so I can't honestly speak to that. I was in a decent car wreck one time but that ended up being okay (Although it left me with a life-time skitishness when driving with others as a passenger).

I think I'm pretty typical. I think about death more especially as I get older, not that I'm remotely near it age wise or anything. It saddens me a bit. I assume as I get closer to it, I will have more acceptance towards it.

I don't like organized religion. I think it's really really bad for society and culture in general. I view it as a one time necessary part of social evolution but that it increasingly needs to go away for social evolution to keep progressing. That being said, I'm not rude about it unless a religious person is aggressive in pushing that stuff. I understand why some people need religion and hounding them about it doesn't do anyone any good. I care more about secularism than atheism because I think the former is more important than the latter even though I'm about as atheistic as you can be.

I don't mind people exploring some of the more spiritual based religions. As long as if it involves more ethics based teachings instead of magic and secret knowledge of the universe that the bigger religions are fond of.
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« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2014, 10:31:11 PM »
When I was 22, I was delivering papers late at night/early in the morning. Some idiot driving a black car with black tinted windows and no lights on pulled out in front of me at 3 am one night as I came over a hill in Athens, GA. I was only going probably 30ish or so, but as I was delivering papers I didn't have my seatbelt on, and back then delivery drivers that worked off hours didn't have to. Anyway, I slammed into the front end of his car (luckily he slammed on the breaks or I would have plowed into his driver's side door and killed him) and my head slammed into the windshield. I came to sitting next to my car and bleeding a lot. Had a concussion, needed a bunch of stitches, etc etc. That sort of sucked. Probably some permanent damage.

I still hope there's nothing in the afterlife, though.
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« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2014, 03:11:15 PM »
I'm not sure if religion is disappearing in as much as it is rebranding. Attempting to integrate a form of empiricism to a point. Which considering the history of religion isn't really new or anything.

I think the greater disorganization and informality is more a symptom of the evolution of modern life than anything. A town of 500 people having 250 churches and their attendant infrastructure just wasn't sustainable for so many reasons, now it's much easier to effectively achieve that.

I mean look at shit like Power Balance and Scientology. There's still a market for some of the...uh, less empirical...aspects of religion.

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« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2014, 03:17:17 PM »
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« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2014, 03:17:48 PM »
Religion needs to adopt a faster shipping cadence if it doesn't want to be disrupted.
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« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2014, 03:30:07 PM »
I think there's another reason for the decline in charities and community organizations, obviously.  :teehee

Even with being raised on secular humanism it seems there's still an inherent want for that higher purpose like Himu has suggested, and that's part of why I used "rebranding" as things will take the place of the formal structures if organized religion is to fade away. There are lots of things to point to that "aren't" religions but have a lot of the same stuff in common and seem to be being used to "fill that void" organized religion once held. I think I've seen that millennials that are religious are much more fervent about it than the last few generations have been.

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« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2014, 03:42:56 PM »
I don't like organized religion. I think it's really really bad for society and culture in general. I view it as a one time necessary part of social evolution but that it increasingly needs to go away for social evolution to keep progressing. That being said, I'm not rude about it unless a religious person is aggressive in pushing that stuff. I understand why some people need religion and hounding them about it doesn't do anyone any good. I care more about secularism than atheism because I think the former is more important than the latter even though I'm about as atheistic as you can be.
Ive actually been mulling this over a lot. Religion is a distinct method of passing down a blend of history, language, ethics and philosophy, metaphysics,  and spirituality. As our global society grows less and less religious, what will take the place of it. Philosophy? Education? Where will the content of all that end up? I dont mean that in an alarmist sense, just curious.

I just think its going to be interesting to see the forceful contraction and disappearance of religious infrastructure in our (my?) lifetime.

Have you seen Idiocracy? Stupidity will take it's place, is my guess.
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« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2014, 03:44:15 PM »
I went to church twice on Sunday and every Wednesday night for youth group. What passes for "Christianity" these days is nothing like what I remembered growing up. I find a lot of them quite detestable. The term "Religious Freedom" is an oxymoron. There is nothing that kills freedom faster than religion.
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« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2014, 04:10:17 PM »
Yeah, I would say religions position of power had more to do with it than anything necessarily inherent.

One of Martin Luther's complaints IIRC.

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« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2014, 04:22:58 PM »
I had a near death out of body experience when I was pretty young. I was maybe somewhere between 6-9, and got swept into the ocean. I remember watching from a 3rd person aerial perspective my dad run along the coast line and snatch me out. I used to have dreams about it all the time, but mostly forgot about until a few years ago when I did an ungodly amount of mushrooms out in the desert and the memory came pouring back. I asked my parents about it, and spooked them out when I told them about the out of body experience. My dad said "Well, thats not good" :lol When I die, I would like my body returned to the sea, I feel a strong connection with the ocean. Preferably whole so I'll be eaten and further benefit some life.

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« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2014, 04:36:44 PM »
If there wasnt anyone still alive to be distressed by it, I'd probably like to be eaten alive :lol

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« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2014, 04:44:29 PM »
If there wasnt anyone still alive to be distressed by it, I'd probably like to be eaten alive :lol

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« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2014, 04:49:07 PM »
I've consumed a lot of flesh, seems a fitting penance :yeshrug