1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt

[mormapope]

How can you call Obsidian games jank/lacking in execution when The Elder Scrolls has some of the worst combat for a RPG series? Its been body mashing and magic spamming for over 14 years. Shit, regarding Bioware, Mass Effect 1 was on some 2002 shit when it comes to controls and movement. Jade Empire is another Bioware stinker.

Skyrim was a gigantic production with millions of dollars poured into development, and the fucking thing didn't work on the PS3. The Fallout games also end up borderline broken the more you save and put time into the games on the PS3.
 

 

[Am_I_Anonymous]

How can you call Obsidian games jank/lacking in execution when The Elder Scrolls has some of the worst combat for a RPG series? Its been body mashing and magic spamming for over 14 years. Shit, regarding Bioware, Mass Effect 1 was on some 2002 shit when it comes to controls and movement. Jade Empire is another Bioware stinker.

Skyrim was a gigantic production with millions of dollars poured into development, and the fucking thing didn't work on the PS3. The Fallout games also end up borderline broken the more you save and put time into the games on the PS3.
 

Hating on Jade Empire too? I don't like you sir, you are a dunderhead.

[mormapope]

Jade Empire is forgettable as hell. Here's what I remember:

You fight elephants and giant animals via fist fighting in a dream world.
You can turn into a elephant and fight dudes.
You kill a bad guy and then he becomes a sun god or something.
You kill the sun god.
The end?

For a game revolving around martial arts, it felt like dummies constantly smacking and slapping each other to death. 

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Jade Empire is forgettable as hell. Here's what I remember:

You fight elephants and giant animals via fist fighting in a dream world.
You can turn into a elephant and fight dudes.
You kill a bad guy and then he becomes a sun god or something.
You kill the sun god.
The end?

For a game revolving around martial arts, it felt like dummies constantly smacking and slapping each other to death.

And yet it's better than screaming at Dragons like some inbred fucktard.

[mormapope]

Skyrim can also go to the gutter.

[kick51]

all those Bioware + Bethesda games are fun, but they are all also janky as fuck and unreliable, performance-wise.  They literally get to a point in development where it's "good enough, dude...we'll deal with the ps3 issues when people start complaining, or not" and ship it. 

[Am_I_Anonymous]

all those Bioware + Bethesda games are fun, but they are all also janky as fuck and unreliable, performance-wise.  They literally get to a point in development where it's "good enough, dude" and ship it.

I think ME3's multiplayer was the best part of 2 or 3.

[Kara]

Obsidian's prob is that they've been stuck telling the stories they want to tell with other peoples' intellectual property. I won't argue KOTOR 2's writing or post out of context screen shots, but the story told in that game is not a Star Wars story. The fuck I want to play a Star Wars narrative game for?

Nu-Vegas was a similar problem, albeit less odious considering it was an attempt to revert Bethesda's reboot.

Dungeon Siege didn't have this problem at all because no one even remember the lore in 1 and 2.

[kick51]

the best compliment Obsidian has ever gotten is the south park guys hand picking them for their game.

[mormapope]

all those Bioware + Bethesda games are fun, but they are all also janky as fuck and unreliable, performance-wise.  They literally get to a point in development where it's "good enough, dude...we'll deal with the ps3 issues when people start complaining, or not" and ship it.

Obsidian's prob is that they've been stuck telling the stories they want to tell with other peoples' intellectual property. I won't argue KOTOR 2's writing or post out of context screen shots, but the story told in that game is not a Star Wars story. The fuck I want to play a Star Wars narrative game for?

Nu-Vegas was a similar problem, albeit less odious considering it was an attempt to revert Bethesda's reboot.

Dungeon Siege didn't have this problem at all because no one even remember the lore in 1 and 2.

I agree with both of you.

Bioware and Bethesda make fun games (didn't like Skyrim at all though), but they're just as rough as any other non AAA RPG series. Obsidian's best work is indeed them jumping on and working around a existing franchise or IP.

Alpha Protocol is one of their original IPs, and while its fun, as a stealth game its really bland gameplay wise.

[kick51]

alpha protocol, there's a game i always forget to play.  prob gonna end up playing the ps3 version, for max jank. 


edit: 75 cents for a copy on amazon   (well, before the $4 shipping)

[Kara]

alpha protocol, there's a game i always forget to play.  prob gonna end up playing the ps3 version, for max jank. 


edit: 75 cents for a copy on amazon   (well, before the $4 shipping)

It's sterile but you can make it hilarious with your appearance and choices.

Plus SIE is my dream girl.

[CatsCatsCats]

Jade Empire is forgettable as hell. Here's what I remember:

You fight elephants and giant animals via fist fighting in a dream world.
You can turn into a elephant and fight dudes.
You kill a bad guy and then he becomes a sun god or something.
You kill the sun god.
The end?

For a game revolving around martial arts, it felt like dummies constantly smacking and slapping each other to death.

That sounds awesome tho (never played Jade Empire)

Edit: damn it, new page'd

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Jade Empire is forgettable as hell. Here's what I remember:

You fight elephants and giant animals via fist fighting in a dream world.
You can turn into a elephant and fight dudes.
You kill a bad guy and then he becomes a sun god or something.
You kill the sun god.
The end?

For a game revolving around martial arts, it felt like dummies constantly smacking and slapping each other to death.

That sounds awesome tho (never played Jade Empire)

Edit: damn it, new page'd

Play it, mormapoop is whiffing bad on this one.

[kick51]

the fake language thing is really weird.   why not just use chinese

[CatsCatsCats]

Because they're commies

[mormapope]

People that advocate to play Jade Empire are weaboos for Chinese culture.

Cheaboos.

[Rufus]

Jade Empire is forgettable, he's right on the money there. (Would Himu-chan stan for it, or does the fake Chinese everything upset her?)

Alpha Protocol on the other hand... The PC version at least is not nearly as buggy as people make it sound. It has bigger problems in the gameplay department (much like the original Mass Effect), but that can be obviated by going stealth+pistols (chain shot specifically), which is very overpowered. It has the best reactive and non-linear story telling in recent memory though. In that regard it absolutely shits on Mass Effect and anything else Bioware ever did.

[Kara]

the fake language thing is really weird.   why not just use chinese

Can we really complain about these after Final Fantasy X? I still have nightmares in Al Bhed. (Bed, Bhed, get it. )

[kick51]

sounded like sega shit on them during development

obsidian gets shit on a lot  :'(

the fake language thing is really weird.   why not just use chinese

Can we really complain about these after Final Fantasy X? I still have nightmares in Al Bhed. (Bed, Bhed, get it. )

I thought al bhed was kind of neat

[ZephyrFate]

what would be p. cool is if Bethesda released games at launch that weren't bug-as-feature janky pieces of shit or flat out unplayable (Skyrim PS3). they won't, because they will still sell 20m copies anyway

[Rufus]

I want a non-standard fantasy world (Elsweyr or Black Marsh pls, or both?) with the quest design from Oblivion. Morrowind quests blew, but the world was great. Oblivion world was bleh, but the quests were great. Skyrim had the best combat and a pretty, but also kind of bleh landscape with bleh quests.

Never played a Bethesda game near launch, always bought the collections, when the most egregrious jank is fixed one way or another.

sounded like sega shit on them during development

obsidian gets shit on a lot  :'(

I heard a Sega exec is actually to blame for the dice-roll shooting in it. Don't know if that's true though.

They did extend development for six months to do more QA. Some Sega guy said that on the 1UP flaghship podcast at the time.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

what would be p. cool is if ea, microsoft, ubisoft, activision, square or Bethesda released games at launch that weren't bug-as-feature janky pieces of shit or flat out unplayable (Skyrim PS3). they won't, because they will still sell 20m copies anyway

Fixed that for you.

[jakefromstatefarm]

despite the kirkbridian veneer of genre fiction, tes is essentially lotr-fan service so I get how some people who aren't into Tolkien fekkitry don't vibe with it. they're also janky as fuck, I don't fault anyone for finding them unplayable.

Arpgs like Diablo are MMOs for people who don't want to say they play MMOs

[ZephyrFate]

what would be p. cool is if ea, microsoft, ubisoft, activision, square or Bethesda released games at launch that weren't bug-as-feature janky pieces of shit or flat out unplayable (Skyrim PS3). they won't, because they will still sell 20m copies anyway

Fixed that for you.

As many issues as Square games have had quality-wise, even their jankiest game recently (Lightning Returns) had very few bugs if at all and aside from NPCs acting stupid or falling over a lot, it ran pretty well. Bethesda has easily the worst track record of those companies in releasing completely fucked games.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

what would be p. cool is if ea, microsoft, ubisoft, activision, square or Bethesda released games at launch that weren't bug-as-feature janky pieces of shit or flat out unplayable (Skyrim PS3). they won't, because they will still sell 20m copies anyway

Fixed that for you.

As many issues as Square games have had quality-wise, even their jankiest game recently (Lightning Returns) had very few bugs if at all and aside from NPCs acting stupid or falling over a lot, it ran pretty well. Bethesda has easily the worst track record of those companies in releasing completely fucked games.

LOL, I take it you're not a battlefield guy eh? BF4 is probably the single handed worst release of a AAA game of all time.

[Rufus]

The Master Chief collection is more recent contender for that title.

[Kara]

I want a non-standard fantasy world (Elsweyr or Black Marsh pls, or both?) with the quest design from Oblivion.

Dungeons & Dragons: Online

[ZephyrFate]

what would be p. cool is if ea, microsoft, ubisoft, activision, square or Bethesda released games at launch that weren't bug-as-feature janky pieces of shit or flat out unplayable (Skyrim PS3). they won't, because they will still sell 20m copies anyway

Fixed that for you.

As many issues as Square games have had quality-wise, even their jankiest game recently (Lightning Returns) had very few bugs if at all and aside from NPCs acting stupid or falling over a lot, it ran pretty well. Bethesda has easily the worst track record of those companies in releasing completely fucked games.

LOL, I take it you're not a battlefield guy eh? BF4 is probably the single handed worst release of a AAA game of all time.

I'm not. And I admit I totally forgot about what happened there. And I guess Driveclub too for having completely botched online?

[Am_I_Anonymous]

what would be p. cool is if ea, microsoft, ubisoft, activision, square or Bethesda released games at launch that weren't bug-as-feature janky pieces of shit or flat out unplayable (Skyrim PS3). they won't, because they will still sell 20m copies anyway

Fixed that for you.

As many issues as Square games have had quality-wise, even their jankiest game recently (Lightning Returns) had very few bugs if at all and aside from NPCs acting stupid or falling over a lot, it ran pretty well. Bethesda has easily the worst track record of those companies in releasing completely fucked games.

LOL, I take it you're not a battlefield guy eh? BF4 is probably the single handed worst release of a AAA game of all time.

I'm not. And I admit I totally forgot about what happened there. And I guess Driveclub too for having completely botched online?

Oh yeah, Driveclub and Halo MCC are right up there too.

[kick51]

and ass creed unity

this gen man, this gen 

[mormapope]

"This gen is the same as all the other gens."

 

Hate when people say shit like that.

"Just wait for the great games to come out, you always had to wait previously."

Another piece of bullshit. By this time in the PS2 era everybody would be cleaning up their pants or shorts after masses of people shit themselves. Last gen around this time 360 owners got a bunch of good shit while everyone laughed at the PS3 and Sony fanboys.

[Rufus]

I want a non-standard fantasy world (Elsweyr or Black Marsh pls, or both?) with the quest design from Oblivion.

Dungeons & Dragons: Online

MMO tho.

[ToxicAdam]

You can solo the many of the missions. They give you AI helpers.

[ZephyrFate]

The Wii U has been getting great software, so why can't the PS4/Xbone? Just disappointment after disappointment. Though Bloodborne is out soon.

I think the volatility of the industry and the fact that so many development studios closed during and after the PS360Wii era has prevented any future generations of hardware from receiving the game library that, say, the PS2 had. The PS2 has literally every genre on the planet represented and most of the top representations of each genre as well. Smaller game studios could release niche titles and find success, or even release them at all, because the PS2 was easy to work with and build from and many publishers at the time were willing to take risks.

You don't have that much anymore, because every game is AAA and takes an Order 1886 amount of time to beat.

[Kara]

I want a non-standard fantasy world (Elsweyr or Black Marsh pls, or both?) with the quest design from Oblivion.

Dungeons & Dragons: Online

MMO tho.

It has a dungeon master that narrates the quests.

[mormapope]

The Wii U has been getting great software, so why can't the PS4/Xbone? Just disappointment after disappointment. Though Bloodborne is out soon.

I think third party devs/publishers realized a long time ago that the expanded videogame audience treat games like TV shows or movies. You buy something familiar every year or every other year, you beat it, move on, or you play multiplayer with friends/randoms until the next shiny and new sequel comes out, move on.

I have no qualms with this except that development cost has gone up significantly each gen, so the biggest players and those with not much to lose on a grand scale (indie devs) are the only players left in the development game.

This is true on consoles, on PC the middle tier or B tier development is still chugging along just fine.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I played Skyrim on the 360 and didn't have any problems with it.

That's because you are poor and lack refined taste.

[mormapope]

I played Skyrim on the 360 and didn't have any problems with it.

Best moment of Skyrim for me was a dragon getting into a battle with a mudcrab, it couldn't touch or hit the mudcrab and the mudcrab continued its attempts at attack, eventually the game froze because of this.

[sarslip]

take this shit to neogaf

[The Legend of Sunblade]

Fallout NV on PS3 was alright to me. 3 ran fine too up until I'd played for a million hours, where the frame rate and load times turned abysmal.

Alpha Protocol is great, way more fun to me than any Bethesda game I've played.

[CatsCatsCats]

I played Skyrim on the 360 and didn't have any problems with it.

That's because you are poor and lack refined taste.

Man I wish I had the mj laughing gif on retainer like so many of you do.

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while AIA's take down is hilarious, I too enjoyed it on 360 -- but I only did so because I was broke so there you have it

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[Rufus]

You can solo the many of the missions. They give you AI helpers.

Hm. I'll check it out then.

I played Skyrim on the 360 and didn't have any problems with it.

Best moment of Skyrim for me was a dragon getting into a battle with a mudcrab, it couldn't touch or hit the mudcrab and the mudcrab continued its attempts at attack, eventually the game froze because of this.

Hunting dragons could get really annoying because of this. Here I am, Dragonborn Dragonslayer and the scaled fuck aggros some random NPC on the other side of the map...

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1000109

:joel :joel :joel

[mormapope]

Still my favorite Last of us thread http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=601626

The denial and hatred towards Ellen Page is priceless.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://kotaku.com/how-anita-sarkeesian-wants-video-games-to-change-1688231729/+marchman

Can we please immediately implement all of these things so I can stop having to read about her and this goddamn struggle? Christ. Why is this shit on deadspin anyway?

Get your 15 minutes of fame off another woman's struggle brehs.

[mormapope]

My condolences.

Have never found her to be a compelling figure or someone that speaks with merit. The anti social fucktwats that threaten her life and do all sorts of heinous shit give her more credence to say shit that isn't really significant.

[king of the internet]

http://kotaku.com/how-anita-sarkeesian-wants-video-games-to-change-1688231729/+marchman

Can we please immediately implement all of these things so I can stop having to read about her and this goddamn struggle? Christ. Why is this shit on deadspin anyway?

Get your 15 minutes of fame off another woman's struggle brehs.

A good start would be to stop reading kotaku.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://kotaku.com/how-anita-sarkeesian-wants-video-games-to-change-1688231729/+marchman

Can we please immediately implement all of these things so I can stop having to read about her and this goddamn struggle? Christ. Why is this shit on deadspin anyway?

Get your 15 minutes of fame off another woman's struggle brehs.

A good start would be to stop reading kotaku.

I was reading deadspin.com goddamnit.

[Kara]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1000109

:joel :joel :joel

good god almighty

[Stoney Mason]

Yeah. I'm not sure I even understand the point of threads like that.

Hey guys. I really really like something. Let me tell you how much I like this thing so much that I'm going to make a silly title to show you how much I like that thing.

Now shower me with praise.

[archie4208]

http://kotaku.com/how-anita-sarkeesian-wants-video-games-to-change-1688231729/+marchman

Can we please immediately implement all of these things so I can stop having to read about her and this goddamn struggle? Christ. Why is this shit on deadspin anyway?

Get your 15 minutes of fame off another woman's struggle brehs.

A good start would be to stop reading kotaku.

I was reading deadspin.com goddamnit.

Both are owned by Gawker.

[Mr. Nobody]

http://kotaku.com/how-anita-sarkeesian-wants-video-games-to-change-1688231729/+marchman

Can we please immediately implement all of these things so I can stop having to read about her and this goddamn struggle? Christ. Why is this shit on deadspin anyway?

Get your 15 minutes of fame off another woman's struggle brehs.

[thisismyusername]

go back and play morrowind on the xbox and edit your post. shit was

No it wasn't. It was basically the base PC version without mods. Even then you could mod the X-box version with various binaries of "mods" on PC IIRC. I played the vanilla AND Game of the Year edition on X-box and beat the main story no problem outside of the size-file bloat that is the same shit the PS3 version had.

Is the PC version better? Yes, definitely. But Beth's console ports have gone downhill since the original Morrowind X-box release.

[Kara]

Is that 8 point plan thing Anita's? I can't support anything smaller than 5 year plans.

[ZephyrFate]

I played Skyrim on the 360 and didn't have any problems with it.

Now play it on PS3 at launch. Night and fucking day.

[StealthFan]

I enjoyed NV and Morrowind. Alpha Protocol was dope too.

[Sausage]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=153779489&postcount=10

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=153779489&postcount=10

Shock and horror: He's a Republican "Straight Guy"* cop that posts selfies in the local gay threads fishing for compliments.

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* at Am_I_Anonymous. I see you, boo. 

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[Vertigo]