1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt

[nudemacusers]

don't say that about the saturn  :'(

[thisismyusername]

I'm honestly impressed by what they did with the Saturn version. That would've been mind blowing in 1999. But it's probably a good thing they didn't keep it on that system for the sake of Emulation purposes. Saturn emulation only took off like... 4-6 years ago?

[Mr. Nobody]

I'd love to try SSF but I'm not installing Daemon Tools and that's apparently the only thing that'll mount the cue/bin combination properly 

[Himu]

Why not install Daemon? Pirate it.

[Mr. Nobody]

Too much talk of malware installing itself even if you decline and hit cancel in the "proper" sections even in pirated versions.

Can't risk it.

[kamorra]

Is this a more lighthearted place? I gotta know.

[Himu]

Get Null's Virtual Clone Drive or Alcohol 120%

[king of the internet]

Is this a more lighthearted place? I gotta know.

No.

[Rufus]

Get Null's Virtual Clone Drive or Alcohol 120%

Yup
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/SSF#cite_note-1

[kamorra]

WinCDEmu is a pretty good Opensource alternative
http://wincdemu.sysprogs.org/

Is this a more lighthearted place? I gotta know.

No.

Damn

[nudemacusers]

Is this a more lighthearted place? I gotta know.

we have no heart.

[Rufus]

WinCDEmu is a pretty good Opensource alternative
http://wincdemu.sysprogs.org/

Unfortunately SSF doesn't play nice with it.

[VomKriege]

We already live in a distopian cyberpunk society, slaves to the corporations and their whoring sacred cows

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169181789&postcount=798

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169181612&postcount=795

Please think of the brand image !

[nudemacusers]

it's 2015, everyone is a brand now brah

[kamorra]

WinCDEmu is a pretty good Opensource alternative
http://wincdemu.sysprogs.org/

Unfortunately SSF doesn't play nice with it.

Oh, that's too bad.

[helios]

Is this a more lighthearted place? I gotta know.

we have no heart.

Our hearts are our buttholes

[Mr. Nobody]

Get Null's Virtual Clone Drive or Alcohol 120%

I'll try Alcohol.

I have VCD and its works with everything except cues 

WinCDEmu didnt work out either 

[Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich]

cool

[Mr. Nobody]

Get Null's Virtual Clone Drive or Alcohol 120%

Yup
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/SSF#cite_note-1

Thanks

[StealthFan]

I don't even know what to say about that forum. I just caught a month's ban for essentially not towing the royalan/slayven line in the Rachel Dolezal thread.

Ban message was something like, "You've repeatedly attacked the points of others and refused to have a good faith conversation." I mean WTF, I thought I was making pretty thoughtful and respectful posts, only to get dogpiled after every one of them. I write up a well-reasoned (IMO) multi-paragraph post, other people tell me to "Just stop", and "No, you're wrong", and yet I'm the one not making good-faith arguments. After one post, I just got the response, "You're not helping yourself," and I asked what I needed self-help about and asked whether this was a discussion board or a Dr. Phil seminar. And that gets mentioned in the ban message as attacking someone's argument.

Numble writes, "I don't see how this is hostile? Correction of a misunderstanding and questioning if you have trouble with certain English expressions is to help understand the level of discussion. I mean, if you confuse Spokane with Seattle and have trouble understanding common phrases, I think there might be some cultural misunderstandings which you fail to grasp and make the discussion difficult."

I tell him to stop trolling/baiting, and I'm the one who was being offensive. Dude questions if I can comprehend English because I mix up two cities in Washington state, and somehow I get the ban for telling him to stop doing that.

I don't even know what to say. I know mods read this forum, so I won't go too far with this, but I am seriously baffled by this ban decision. And of course numble is still free to post away.

Feels like someone there was just waiting for any excuse to ban anyone who doesn't agree that Rachel Dolezal is the incarnation of Yakub.

cry moar

[nudemacusers]

Is this a more lighthearted place? I gotta know.

we have no heart.

Our hearts are our buttholes

infinite?

[helios]

I thought the whole Rachel Dolezal thing was something to laugh at, not have endless discussions on blah

Is this a more lighthearted place? I gotta know.

we have no heart.

Our hearts are our buttholes

infinite?

And dark

[nudemacusers]

I thought the whole Rachel Dolezal thing was something to laugh at, not have endless discussions on blah

Is this a more lighthearted place? I gotta know.

we have no heart.

Our hearts are our buttholes

infinite?

And dark

and damaged from too much taco bell  :'(

[thisismyusername]

Too much talk of malware installing itself

  This must be in the past 4-5 years. Because I don't recall Daemon's on Win XP ever installing anything else.

[FStop7]

I think it's a bummer that the Shenmue Kickstarter might end up losing out on a decent amount of support because of the console wars.  That's about as petty as it gets.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1067164

And credit to Opiate for challenging some of the shit that's been happening in OT as of late.

[VomKriege]

Basically I'm starting to question whether or not that place is moderated impartially.

GAF ?
Moderated impartially ?

 

I think it's a bummer that the Shenmue Kickstarter might end up losing out on a decent amount of support because of the console wars.  That's about as petty as it gets.

Come on now, do you think it really has an impact ? The KS is a resounding success, at least within the original parameters. Devoted fans of the franchise, which constitutes the backbone of the backers probably, will be unmoved by any "controversy" pending a major one.

[Oblivion]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169176433&postcount=221

Claim you know more about a game than someone who actually played it, brehs. 

[zomgee]

I'd love to try SSF but I'm not installing Daemon Tools and that's apparently the only thing that'll mount the cue/bin combination properly 

Get the free version to try it and pay the fifteen bucks for the full version. It's a good tool.

[zomgee]

Basically I'm starting to question whether or not that place is moderated impartially.

And that's the last thing I'll say on the topic.

Here is something I have learned in my years on the Internet: it sucks. The Internet is about as real as a playboy model.

Don't take it so seriously. If you are honestly emotionally invested in a website whether you can post among a bunch of special fellow shut ins who don't know how to ask a female out, have to post about wiping their ass, and need coached in the most basic forms of human interaction, guess what: you're too invested.

GAF is a hive mind, you're getting too old for it, and Evilore is truly A king, except his kingdom is made of dog shit.

Instead post here about licking butts and PD's dick fascination.

[Kara]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1067382

the creeping realization that nobody really wants a shenmue game

Been hearing that for years. Time to put this lame meme in the dustbin of history along with Lunar, Mega Man Legend, and those damn Khrushchevites.

[mormapope]

Every time I've gotten a Daemon Tools "trial" I've been able to keep the program for free, even the mega deluxe versions. May be wrong on that though. Even then, the free version works perfectly fine.

[Himu]

There's always someone that wants to play a game. Even if it's the sequel to Bad Rats. So think of Shenmue 3 as a higher budgets Bad Rats 2.

[Kara]

There's always someone that wants to play a game. Even if it's the sequel to Bad Rats. So think of Shenmue 3 as a higher budgets Bad Rats 2.

Get over it. it's [sic.] 2015 [sic.]

[Himu]

Try the Coli for a more laid-back place.

The Coli is a place where white boys who pretend to black talk about how hard they are unironically and treat their "gangsta" rep online as if it's a real thing

[VomKriege]

Once a tyrant, now humbled.
From sin to virtue.
A prophet for our age.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1067143

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169159683&postcount=322

 

[zomgee]

Try the Coli for a more laid-back place.

The Coli is a place where white boys who pretend to black talk about how hard they are unironically and treat their "gangsta" rep online as if it's a real thing

It's fun to pretend

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1067382

the creeping realization that nobody really wants a shenmue game

Been hearing that for years. Time to put this lame meme in the dustbin of history along with Lunar, Mega Man Legend, and those damn Khrushchevites.

Wonder if Polygon will write an article about this new information?

Not. Fucking. Likely.

Scum.

[Himu]

To be fair, Polygon are scum. And Ben Kenchura is a dick.

[Kara]

Wonder if Polygon will write an article about this new information?

Not. Fucking. Likely.

Scum.

That op-ed was hilarious.

[Oblivion]

Wonder if Polygon will write an article about this new information?

Not. Fucking. Likely.

Scum.

That op-ed was hilarious.

link?

[Himu]

Wonder if Polygon will write an article about this new information?

Not. Fucking. Likely.

Scum.

That op-ed was hilarious.

link?

http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/17/8798203/shenmue-kickstarter-budget-sony

Of course, it ignores we don't know every games budget, because Ben Kucharama is a dick.

[zomgee]

At this point I hope it's a text adventure with cd audio


Or maybe dragons lair

[Kara]

At this point I hope it's a text adventure with cd audio


Or maybe dragons lair

Will Ryo get out of the cave doe?

[Stoney Mason]

I've said it before, I stopped supporting kickstarter a long time ago because I don't like what it does to give people an idea of what an actual game budget is, and it just tends to create a lot of tendency for a dev to lie and hype. Same thing happens in the regular game dev cycle but at least I don't have to purchase until the game is out.

Which is not to say that everybody should have my opinion or nothing would get made through it. I just personally don't like how the whole thing is structured.

There have been a lot of good games to come out of kickstarter. I just don't feel comfortable participating in the process myself.

[FStop7]

I think it's a bummer that the Shenmue Kickstarter might end up losing out on a decent amount of support because of the console wars.  That's about as petty as it gets.

Come on now, do you think it really has an impact ? The KS is a resounding success, at least within the original parameters. Devoted fans of the franchise, which constitutes the backbone of the backers probably, will be unmoved by any "controversy" pending a major one.

I don't know if there's an impact.  I just think it's a disappointment to see something like this project that has been in limbo for 10+ years finally coming to light only then to be immediately co-opted as some sort of battlefield for console warriors.

[Himu]

I'll do kickstarter if you prove that you can do it right once. Like I'd kickstart a Divinity OS sequel.

The Longest Journey? Wasteland 2? Bllodstained? Planescape?

There have been numerous examples of this.

[Kara]

Kickstarter is distorting an industry where actual game footage has to be labeled as such because doctored game footage is the norm. WILL SOMEONE PLS THINK OF THE CHILLINS? OUR SACRED ART?

[Himu]

Like, I can understand being mad at Kickstarter if a large publisher like Bioware used it to fund a new Mass Effect, or how Penny Arcade used it for their...whatever. But this is Shenmue. A game publishers passed on for over a decade. And now it happens because of Kickstarter and...that's a problem? It's a problem people are getting a sequel to Planescape? Or got a new Wastleland? Or a new Longest Journey? These are all games that publishers passed on because "high risk" in the past for a sequel and now that's a problem?

Kickstarter represents the best and worst of gaming: on one hand, you have passionate gamers who really want to see their dreams come true and revisit a favorite and do all they can to make that happen because the market has holes that these games left in their absence. On the other hand, you have gamers who have to be as skeptical and cynical as everything else in the hobby, even in regards to resurrecting 16 year old franchises like Planescape, Longest Journey, and Shenmue. It's fucking pathetic. Gamers suck.

[mormapope]

Kickstarter is alright, its a decent middleman for almost any game developer.

Other sites like Kickstarter though where the person gets money no matter what? Scumbag metropolis. I've seen two people I went to Highschool with beg and lie to get money for a rap album and to pay for a chunk of college tuition. Both of these people got zero bucks for their pathetic E-begging.

[Himu]

What gets me is that gamers are so obsessed with us vs them mentality, that they can't even be happy for other people who are finally getting something they've asked for a long time. Like, I don't give a fuck about Banjo Kazooie, but I think that spiritual successor kickstarter is cool and I'm happy for those fans. I just don't get it, and this further accentuates why talking with other gamers is a relatively pointless procedure.

[VomKriege]

I think it's a bummer that the Shenmue Kickstarter might end up losing out on a decent amount of support because of the console wars.  That's about as petty as it gets.

Come on now, do you think it really has an impact ? The KS is a resounding success, at least within the original parameters. Devoted fans of the franchise, which constitutes the backbone of the backers probably, will be unmoved by any "controversy" pending a major one.

I don't know if there's an impact.  I just think it's a disappointment to see something like this project that has been in limbo for 10+ years finally coming to light only then to be immediately co-opted as some sort of battlefield for console warriors.

I don't think the issue is console wars, really. If it is, it's also because Sony pitched it that way by co-opting the project for their conference. There are issues and debates, which partly stems from a certain confusion (not to be blamed solely on YS and Sony) and from deeper concerns about the whole crowdfunding model. I think the fans and enthusiasts are projecting something fierce about the sanctity of the game and its significance to us plebs. It was inevitable that there will be questions and doubts about the sudden announcement of a sequel that was deader than a parrot in a Monty Python sketch, and for good reason.

Frankly, the cry to rally us to the banner of the United Colors of Shenmue to shut anyone voicing concerns (at least on GAF) is a major warning sign to me.

"You're hurting Shenmue-chan, please stop  "

[Himu]

You can have concerns. But take the Ben Kucuck article. He says it's a problem without even going into why it's a problem. They have concerns, sure. But for a formerly dead series? The "concern" comes off as desperate concern trolling. There was a Forbes article that said that now that the game had reached its goal, to not give them anymore funds. Ben Kucoch makes an article basically begging people not to donate without explicitly stating why donating is a problem. There is an active element trying to tell people this shouldn't happen out of "concern" that Sony is giving them a little money. That is complete assholery, and it's very likely the Forbes and Polygon article combined with the misinformation about sony funding the entire project (they aren't), may have potentially permanently harmed the potential of the Kickstarter funds.

[king of the internet]

I'll do kickstarter if you prove that you can do it right once. Like I'd kickstart a Divinity OS sequel.

I'll never do kickstarter because I need instant gratification at all times 

[zepblackstar]

The Mighty No. 9 Kickstarter should have been a clue not to believe hype

[Himu]

Yeah, this was always kinda going to happen because MS fans are getting shafted and II was on Xbox.

The Mighty No. 9 Kickstarter should have been a clue not to believe hype

The Mighty No 9 Kickstarter isn't exactly indicative of all game kickstarters.

[VomKriege]

You can have concerns. But take the Ben Kucuck article. He says it's a problem without even going into why it's a problem. They have concerns, sure. But for a formerly dead series? The "concern" comes off as desperate concern trolling. There was a Forbes article that said that now that the game had reached its goal, to not give them anymore funds. Ben Kucoch makes an article basically begging people not to donate without explicitly stating why donating is a problem. There is an active element trying to tell people this shouldn't happen out of "concern" that Sony is giving them a little money. That is complete assholery, and it's very likely the Forbes and Polygon article combined with the misinformation about sony funding the entire project (they aren't), may have potentially permanently harmed the potential of the Kickstarter funds.

 
The KS is already at 175% of its (big) goal. What is there to harm ? You know better than I that the fan community for Shenmue is devoted and will not care one bit for this type of arguments.
Yeah Sony isn't bankrolling the game, contrary to what some people (and myself for a few hours), so I grant you that all those concerns about the misuse of crowdfunding are null and void. But that in itself raise other questions about the viability, which honestly strike me as perfectly reasonable ones.

YS said that with 2 millions they could get the project rolling (albeit in maybe very small scope). They got that and more and could, given known tendencies, get up to 5 or 7 millions in a month when the campaign will close. So at one point they will have to put up with what they claimed. Really, this somewhat paranoid reaction from Shenmue fans seems like a preemptive search for scapegoats.

[king of the internet]

Violating sanctity 

[Narag]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169176433&postcount=221

Claim you know more about a game than someone who actually played it, brehs. 

I've seen someone claim to know more about a game than the guy that made it. 

[Himu]

You can have concerns. But take the Ben Kucuck article. He says it's a problem without even going into why it's a problem. They have concerns, sure. But for a formerly dead series? The "concern" comes off as desperate concern trolling. There was a Forbes article that said that now that the game had reached its goal, to not give them anymore funds. Ben Kucoch makes an article basically begging people not to donate without explicitly stating why donating is a problem. There is an active element trying to tell people this shouldn't happen out of "concern" that Sony is giving them a little money. That is complete assholery, and it's very likely the Forbes and Polygon article combined with the misinformation about sony funding the entire project (they aren't), may have potentially permanently harmed the potential of the Kickstarter funds.

 
The KS is already at 175% of its (big) goal. What is there to harm ? You know better than I that the fan community for Shenmue is devoted and will not care one bit for this type of arguments.
Yeah Sony isn't bankrolling the game, contrary to what some people (and myself for a few hours), so I grant you that all those concerns are null and void. But that in itself raise other questions, which honestly strikes me as perfectly reasonable.

YS said that with 2 millions they could get the project rolling (albeit in maybe very small scope). They got that and more and could, given known tendencies, get up to 5 or 7 millions in a month when the campaign will close. So at one point they will have to put up with what they claimed. Really, this somewhat paranoid reaction from Shenmue fans seems like a preemptive search for scapegoats.

"You know better than I that the fan community for Shenmue is devoted and will not care one bit for this type of arguments." No, there's a general campaign right now in Shenmue circles to get the game to the upper end of stretch goals. People don't want to settle. When you wait for a game a 10 + years, why settle? 5-7 million would be nice, but Shenmue fans generally have a high expectation for the series. Shenmue Online was shat on for a reason. 2 million is the base of the game at the most minimal level. Why would anyone settle for 2 million? Looknig at the reaction to Sim City reboot should teach you this, and it's a very similar albeit not analogous  situation.

[Himu]

Let's say Will Wright made a Kickstarter for a Sim City spiritual successor. The minimum is 1 million, but the minimum has the depth equivalent of say, Sim City 1. No one with a brain thinks 1-2 million is enough to make the quality they have come to expect from Sim City. No, no one wants that. They want big. They want the full Sim City experience. Sony is revealed as fronting the title a little sum towards funding and the title will appear on PC and PS4. So some assfuck at Polygon makes an article about how it's a problem that Will Wright's Sim City successor's budge isn't being disclosed when there hasn't been a new Sim City in over ten years (pretend Sim City reboot doesn't exist in this universe). Funds start slowing down to a crawl. Will Wright says that he needs 10 million to offer that full on Sim City experience.

Do you really see anyone that is a fan of Sim City being satisfied with that 1 million minimum? Naw.

Isn't most things that were expensive at the time a lot cheaper to do now in regards to Shenmue? This might be a stupid question and I'm not saying they should stick to the old graphics, VA and such. But I can see a new game doing what old Shenmue did to be a lot cheaper than the old games budget.

Eitherway settling for the lowest budget possible is stupid. Sony helping more with the funding would actually be best.

Yes. It will be significantly cheaper. I've gone on as to why multiple times. As it is, Yu says they need 10 million for the full Shenmue experience.