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Positive Touch

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since balloon fight has now been canonised as an all time great, i wonder how many other childhood defining mid-tier coders on middle of the road nes/snes games never had the corporate ruthlessness to scrape and crawl their way up the ladder to CEO and died penniless, forgotten and alone.

where is the low G man GAF logo?

who's the dude who made gyromite? that guy is awesome
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"my art team"
you mean those guys that do it for you for free?
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Art team is probably Modus.

I always found stuff like huge gaming OTs a bit strange.

You have dudes spending tons of time on these things and seeing no money from Tyler, while Tyler benefits from the page views.

It's really crazy. 

It's like many don't understand that NeoGAF is a business. You saw that with the Iwata logo nonsense and community thread warz. People really think NeoGAF is their site, not knowing that there's one dude raking all the cash.

I don't mind personally. EL is an entrepreneur, but the forum populace seems to be unaware of that.

You see the same mindset when posters make threads on advertising campaigns on the main page.

Duh, idiots. EL wants to make money.
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archie4208

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172048598&postcount=802

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TLoU has practically flawless performances, along with phenomenal writing (competes with all time greatest movies and novels for me, after doing a degree studying those), and a story that really gets what's important about a story.

We got an expert here. :goty

Kara

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Oh to be a mod who could ban posters for claims like that. :gaben

studyguy

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This is why I don't stan websites or forums.
Get dropped from one or if it goes under, not the end of the world.
There's a million others like it out there.
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Kara

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172072939&postcount=9193

what

Calling someone from the Commonwealth of Independent States scum, frankly I expected this kind of anti-slav sentiment in comments on the Daily Mail, not on NeoGAF.

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The posts got deleted. I'll just quote them for those curious.

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Sorry EviLore, we've decided that Iwata is officially a girl now, if you say otherwise then you're a fucking CIS scum piece of shit.
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I DEMAND AN ITAWA LOGO IN COMMEMORATION OF ITAWA PROCLAIMING HERSELF AS A SHE SHORTLY BEFORE DEATH.
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YOU HEARD ME, I USED CAPS SO I KNOW YOU DID.
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ALSO EVILORE DID 9/11, HE HELPED OUR person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation OVERLORDS MELT THE STEEL BEAMS WITH THERMITE

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Mr. Nobody

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YOU HEARD ME, I USED CAPS SO I KNOW YOU DID.

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VomKriege

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172048598&postcount=802

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TLoU has practically flawless performances, along with phenomenal writing (competes with all time greatest movies and novels for me, after doing a degree studying those), and a story that really gets what's important about a story.

We got an expert here. :goty

The follow up
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172049891&postcount=809

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It's up there with Of Mice and Men, imo.

I have a degree  :smug
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Kara

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I spend practically all of my time playing games, reading books and watching films. I've watched/played/read probably thousands of each and have a degree in literature and cinema.

:expert

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All those degrees and all that consumption yet you think characterization is that important. :teehee
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The Last of Us is the epitome of the phrase "good...for a videogame".


VomKriege

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TLOU, the gift that keeps on giving :

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172078006&postcount=966

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I simply refuse to acknowledge that there are people who actually can name 10 games that were better than the Last of Us in 2013, a pretty weak year.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=94974658&postcount=184

The best is still the topic where the people got mad at Ellen Page and said she should be glad even if ND was using its likeness because it is such a galaxy shattering game.
Those people are really have been whipped up in a frenzy about this.
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>TLOU being in the top 10 for 2013
>Weak year

If that's the case, you can easily turn that around and claim the bottom choices of the Top 10 games are garbage in that case then. It hardly says much for TLOU at all. :lol
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Mr Gilhaney

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I quite liked the gameplay in TLOU.


But I also disagree with gameplay having to be the most important part to a video game. Silent hill 2 being the best game of all time shows this is not true.

StealthFan

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If TLOU wasn't an exclusive nobody would still be discussing it.
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I've never played TLOU, I had a copy sealed too I got for free.
Pretty sure I let a friend borrow it and never asked for it back. I don't even own a PS3 anymore.

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I only play Japanese action games. Last of Us was too boring and slow for me. No air juggling, no witch time, no frame perfect judgement cuts. What's the point.

dmj

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172009409&postcount=433

I still can't get over how amazing this post is. The weeping and gnashing of Ninthing teeth over this warms my cold heart.

Kara

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I only play Japanese action games. Last of Us was too boring and slow for me. No air juggling, no witch time, no frame perfect judgement cuts. What's the point.

Finally an enlightened individual who understands medium specificity. :tocry I'm not alone in this suffocating sea of philistine hegemony. :rejoice

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YOU HEARD ME, I USED CAPS SO I KNOW YOU DID.

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Never played The Last of Us, but I got a lot of enjoyment out of The Paris Review laughing at it.

Kara

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Never played The Last of Us, but I got a lot of enjoyment out of The Paris Review laughing at it.

http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2014/08/29/the-dreams-in-which-im-dying/

:rofl

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The Last of Us was a good game. It's worst fans are annoying because they won't let you just settle for saying that. It must be a great game and probably the greatest game of all time. And when you criticize it like any other game, they have the thinnest skin possible.

And yes part of that is due to platform exclusivity.

Kara

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The underlying expectation here—that without Western civilization humans would become monsters—is a psychic tic of game designers, who tend to be overeducated upper-middle-class men whose primary lens for understanding the world comes from commercial entertainment. If your worldview is built around a series of compromises you’ve made to secure a comfortable salary building eidolons of human narcissism into restricted-admission dream-states, paranoia and projected self-loathing are in order. And when these labors make you servant to an economy of Moore’s Law and inescapable obsolescence, the competition for scarce resources (conveniently abstracted in the game with overlaid icons, as if Google Glass were the only thing to survive the collapse of human civilization) must seem like an especially poetic prism.

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suppadoopa

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The only way I'll end up playing TLoU if it has a Japanese dub  :uguu

oh and a cover as great as this

archie4208

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I've never played TLOU, I had a copy sealed too I got for free.
Pretty sure I let a friend borrow it and never asked for it back. I don't even own a PS3 anymore.

:yeshrug

It's a great game, but the stans man.   :goty2

VomKriege

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Honestly he's not wrong that characters are the most important aspect of any story (though a compelling and well-structured narrative is a close second).

I don't think writing in general can be reduced to a single priority. Characters are very often important but not always. Sounds a wee bit dogmatic in the post quoted and that's mostly what I would contest.

I haven't played TLOU, just watched quite some extensive bits of it and I think the writing is really OK and certainly a notch above a lot of what the standard is for videogames. Likewise I found Uncharted was really good for the dialog / acting, at least in the execution. Certainly on level with current Hollywood blockbuster fare (and probably as vapid if you think too hard). But the stanning is really out of this world... They dug that trench deep, and my feeling is that they dug it very early too. It's really hard to take any of it seriously.
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Shadow Mod

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172012175&postcount=201

It seems like his argument is that child pr0n is only objectionable to some people and that banning it is a slippery slope towards all out censorship and that soon our prisons will be full of harmless people whose only crime was liking 1000 year old demons who inhabit the bodies of 9 year olds and now theyre gonna learn to be real criminals.

The leaps in logic are amazing.

First the came for the illustrated cp and I said nothing...

curly

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Never played The Last of Us, but I got a lot of enjoyment out of The Paris Review laughing at it.

http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2014/08/29/the-dreams-in-which-im-dying/

:rofl

That comments section. Even The Paris Review isn't safe from the scourge of Naughty Dog stans  :yuck

studyguy

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https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3djjxw/lets_talk_content_ama/

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Sure. /r/rapingwomen will be banned. They are encouraging people to rape.
/r/coontown will be reclassified. The content there is offensive to many, but does not violate our current rules for banning.

Basically you /r/coontown is now "hidden" from the general population but still okay to let stay on the site.
"Out of sight and out of mind is how we like it."
 :trash
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That sub reddit is equal to all others. Separate. But equal.
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If you like canonically 1000 year old demons in 9 year old bodies, you like little girls. End of story.
I keep hearing this "canonically 1,000 year old" thing. What's it from?
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If you like canonically 1000 year old demons in 9 year old bodies, you like little girls. End of story.
I keep hearing this "canonically 1,000 year old" thing. What's it from?

Fire Emblem Awakenings. Disgaea as well maybe?

VomKriege

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Pretty old, I remember seing the joue in icecream's threads.
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Kara

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The only medium characters are needed in is theatre and movies that are bad theatre (so the larger part of movies made). A book like Moby-Dick has rather flat characters, for example.

Also The Dead is the best novella.


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https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3djjxw/lets_talk_content_ama/

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Sure. /r/rapingwomen will be banned. They are encouraging people to rape.
/r/coontown will be reclassified. The content there is offensive to many, but does not violate our current rules for banning.

Basically you /r/coontown is now "hidden" from the general population but still okay to let stay on the site.
"Out of sight and out of mind is how we like it."
 :trash

I really don't get why they're allowing /r/coontown to stay. It's just as hateful as the other subreddits.

Never played The Last of Us, but I got a lot of enjoyment out of The Paris Review laughing at it.

http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2014/08/29/the-dreams-in-which-im-dying/

:rofl


That comments section. Even The Paris Review isn't safe from the scourge of Naughty Dog stans  :yuck

Best part is:

Quote from: Last of Us' ending
The game’s greatest irony is its conclusion, which finally seems to admit that if narcissism must be the banner of our species, then it might be best to let us all die out. It turns out that to save humankind, Joel will have to watch as Ellie dies; for some reason the Fireflies need to kill her to research her brain and create their vaccine. And while Ellie appears ready to make that sacrifice, it sends Joel into a narcissistic tunnel: he ends up rescuing her unconscious body from the operating table at the last minute and then kills the woman who’d entrusted him with the mission at the beginning of the game. When Ellie regains consciousness, he tells her the Fireflies had been wrong about the immunity, and had studied several other immune cases from around the country before she arrived, concluding that there was nothing to be learned from them. The game ends with a mean-spirited close-up of her face as she questions Joel about the story, having a hard time accepting it could be true. We stare at her for a few seconds as she vacillates, and then she decides to accept the lie. “Okay,” she says.

Spoil the entire twist for the internet at large and have Naughty Dog fans pissed over it, brehs.

Kara

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It hadn't even occurred to me that the author pissed on gamer mores by talking about the ending with the spoiler tag for grownups, "The game’s greatest irony is its conclusion,". :lol

Shadow Mod

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If you like canonically 1000 year old demons in 9 year old bodies, you like little girls. End of story.
I keep hearing this "canonically 1,000 year old" thing. What's it from?

It came before it but if you want just check out threads like Monster Monpiece where this concept is consistently put forth.

studyguy

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Nah that site moderation team probably won't give a fuck unless the larger media throws shade at them like they did during that /r/jailbait shit. Seemed like the entire site just went defcon and shut shit down ASAP. As another post mentioned, /r/coontown gets more traffic than stormfront now which is fucking embarrassing to think the site houses  one of the largest congregations of white supremacists or general biggotry on the internet.

But you know, free speech 
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I can't wait for someone to basically commit a violent act and post it on r/coontown as it happens. Because that's where I see something like that heading. If it hasn't already happened. If you go to SPLC they already linked tons of hate crimes with Stormfront. I guess reddit wants that honor now.

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Deadly Premonition's story is amazing and could only be told through the medium of video games and be fully appreciated by someone who is an enthusiast.  It has one of the best twists in gaming and uses it's graphical shortcomings/quirkiness/iffy controls/etc to give it its own unique vibe and tie the experience together.  There's nothing else like it, and its appeal and cultural worth are growing with time.

TLOU is a mediocre movie bogged down by a gameplay system that's just warmed-over Uncharted minus everything that made that series enjoyable.  Its po-faced narrative is taped onto a control style that is meant to be rollicking and fun because ND couldn't be assed to make an appropriate one from scratch.  It's a game that uses its technical sheen and tight presentation to mask the fact that it's just not that well designed from a gameplay perspective.  It's an experience that was made to superficially resonate with consumers of pop culture at the time it was released, and as time goes by its luster will fade and people will see it for the pandering schlock that it is.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172094695&postcount=1058

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Nope, I have tomorrow to myself for once with no plans.

I'm sure another dozen hours of crouching behind cover and throwing bricks will open my eyes, because apparently that's where the narrative comes into its own and can only be experienced personally to be truly understood.

  :sabu


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Deadly Premonition, a game based on an early 90s TV show, could only be told through videogames.

I like DP and TLOU, but damn this is ridiculous

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Sure. /r/rapingwomen will be banned. They are encouraging people to rape.
/r/coontown will be reclassified. The content there is offensive to many, but does not violate our current rules for banning.

Basically you /r/coontown is now "hidden" from the general population but still okay to let stay on the site.
"Out of sight and out of mind is how we like it."
 :trash

oh cool, they built a secret racist clubhouse.  way to show 'em, reddit.

Shadow Mod

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If we hide the hate that will make it more palatable. They're not wrong though. How many people regularly give reddit traffic and shit despite everything.

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I played Last of Us remastered (got it along with my PS4), and thought it was a decent game, obviously not the type of game I usually go for... but it's definitely better than Uncharted and a good chunk of the "filmic" "AAA" "blockbuster" linear on rails type of games so popular last gen.

While the average AAA shootbang has you just running through environments , at least in TLOU, you can play either stealthy or with guns ablazin'. Environments are also a bit more complex than the linear corridor/big room with tons of waist-high walls dichotomy.

Resource management also comes into play with healthbars and limited healthkits/ammo. This is probably the main reason I prefer the game to its ilk.

Now the story... well the VA is quite good (though Vesperia will always be my favorite game with Troy Baker starring), but the actual conceit is - take a lot of post-apocalyptic/zombie tropes and throw them in the blender... The Road. Walking Dead. Children of Men. Life After People. Even games like Half Life 2, MGS and Ico. Apart from the plot twist (which I didn't particularly care for) at the end, it was pretty predictable.

My biggest problem with the game was that I felt that failure states seemed at random. Like, there were some parts you'd execute the exact same strategy but a Clicker grabbed onto you during attempt A and not during attempt B. Or, you'd execute the exact same motions to sneak past waves of monsters yet get caught during attempt A and not B. IMO, if a game relies on stealth it should be a bit more about pattern memorization than an attempt at AI/randomness.
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studyguy

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If we hide the hate that will make it more palatable. They're not wrong though. How many people regularly give reddit traffic and shit despite everything.

True, but in the end I severely doubt that the vast majority of their users would suddenly rally against them if they up and shuttered shit like /r/coontown or their other outlandishly racist subreddits. Like the average person isn't gonna rally against some dude who just posted some shit like this

No one would rally behind that. Most likely they'd laugh, some dude would make another subreddit about it and etc etc till they burned themselves out. At this point I just see the site as afraid to pull the trigger due to being stuck at the mercy of some vocal assholes. The argument that you're fucking with the small groups that might make your content or mod your site go out the window when you asking them if they're going to stand in solidarity with a bunch of blatant racists. Would they if they tossed out exclusively racist parts? I doubt it.
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Sure. /r/rapingwomen will be banned. They are encouraging people to rape.
/r/coontown will be reclassified. The content there is offensive to many, but does not violate our current rules for banning.

Basically you /r/coontown is now "hidden" from the general population but still okay to let stay on the site.
"Out of sight and out of mind is how we like it."
 :trash

I really don't get why they're allowing /r/coontown to stay. It's just as hateful as the other subreddits.

Subreddits aren't being banned for being hateful. The ones that got banned were organizing DDOS attacks, and distributing personal information of others to encourage harassment. r/rapingwomen also encourages people to commit the crime of rape. If r/coontown actively encouraged people to go out and lynch a black person it would also be banned.

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Sure. /r/rapingwomen will be banned. They are encouraging people to rape.
/r/coontown will be reclassified. The content there is offensive to many, but does not violate our current rules for banning.

Basically you /r/coontown is now "hidden" from the general population but still okay to let stay on the site.
"Out of sight and out of mind is how we like it."
 :trash

I really don't get why they're allowing /r/coontown to stay. It's just as hateful as the other subreddits.

Subreddits aren't being banned for being hateful. The ones that got banned were organizing DDOS attacks, and distributing personal information of others to encourage harassment. r/rapingwomen also encourages people to commit the crime of rape. If r/coontown actively encouraged people to go out and lynch a black person it would also be banned.

That's some weak shit tho.
At that point you got the subreddit being like Ay, I wouldn't tell you to lynch a distinguished black fellow personally, but I mean I wouldn't be opposed to it!

I mean but it is what it is, angry bigots ready to jump and a moderation team attached at the hip to the moniker of free speech despite having every right to tell dudes to shut the fuck up as a private company.

:yeshrug

All I'm saying is pull the trigger brehs.
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Yulwei

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1079848

devil's third impressions are not pretty, and basically confirm what anyone who isn't a ninthing could already tell from the footage they previously showed off. still, it was pretty funny watching ninthings pretend they gave a shit about this game simply because it's an exclusive  :lol

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Sure. /r/rapingwomen will be banned. They are encouraging people to rape.
/r/coontown will be reclassified. The content there is offensive to many, but does not violate our current rules for banning.

Basically you /r/coontown is now "hidden" from the general population but still okay to let stay on the site.
"Out of sight and out of mind is how we like it."
 :trash

I really don't get why they're allowing /r/coontown to stay. It's just as hateful as the other subreddits.

Subreddits aren't being banned for being hateful. The ones that got banned were organizing DDOS attacks, and distributing personal information of others to encourage harassment. r/rapingwomen also encourages people to commit the crime of rape. If r/coontown actively encouraged people to go out and lynch a black person it would also be banned.

Not really sure what the logical conclusion is to circle jerking that some kinds of people just aren't shit other than someone taking it to "real life" and doing them dirty.

Jansen

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1079848

devil's third impressions are not pretty, and basically confirm what anyone who isn't a ninthing could already tell from the footage they previously showed off. still, it was pretty funny watching ninthings pretend they gave a shit about this game simply because it's an exclusive  :lol

lol at least splatoon was number 5 in NPD this month!!! take that haters

Shadow Mod

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Hey I'm not saying to go kill black people but these snuff films are pretty great huh?!

 :comeon
« Last Edit: July 16, 2015, 07:00:18 PM by Shadow Mod »

benjipwns

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why the people in snuff films gotta be black

archie4208

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why the people in snuff films gotta be black

Because the black guy always dies first.

dmj

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lol at least splatoon was number 5 in NPD this month!!! take that haters

The fact that Splatoon being fifth this month is all that they can crow about is sadly hilarious. I mean, the system Splat is on can't sell triple digits, WiiU owners don't have much of any software to actually look forward to (especially not third party software), and there's no reason to believe that Nintendo's luck will change with the next platform. But yay! At least there's one game doing moderately well  :D