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[Shadow Mod]

I was talking about this the other day about how white liberals have this threshold sometimes of what is acceptable but once you challenge them on some sexism, racism, homophobia of their own the shit hits the fan.

[nudemacusers]

lol

but on the real mj probably drops that slur more than hulkster

[Himu]

I was talking about this the other day about how white liberals have this threshold sometimes of what is acceptable but once you challenge them on some sexism, racism, homophobia of their own the shit hits the fan.

The reality is that progress isn't just a battle with conservatives but also the white liberal. The white conservative makes their views known. The white liberal makes their views about themselves as they put up a shield of "progress", and their feelings and live their life on not being challenged

Malcolm X was correct when he said,"the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives."

That doesn't mean all white liberals are bad. Many are genuine. But always, always be skeptical of the notions they purport in the guise of progress. It's not me, it's "them" is common among white liberals.

I even have to deal with this in white majority Buddhist meditation centers.

[Shadow Mod]

I've had dudes go off on me about being allies and how feminists have pushed them away because they didn't accept whatever string of casual sexism came out of their mouths.

[Himu]

What kinda stuff did they say?

[Shadow Mod]

What kinda stuff did they say?

Just the usual like gendered insults at conservative women, shit like Maher does, and then playing like because they have our best interests at heart we're just being pissy and moody for no reason.

[Himu]

One of favorite (not really) things is going to a "liberal" place like, multiple times a week, for months, and then they can't be assed to remember my face despite being the black person that ever comes there. 

[toku]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1083986

that avatar bruh

[mormapope]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1083848

Is Nintendo positioning Splatoon as an eSports game?

 
 
 
  

[Take My Breh Away]

Postition a game without voice chat and little ways to communicate with your team mates as an e-sports ready game, brehs. I like Splatoon but they are better off waiting for Spla-two-n and adding features that were standard in a 2002 Xbawks huge game before the e-sports push.

Also holy shit that Tomb Raider thread since PS4 is not getting the game till a year after the xbone version and the PC version is in Spring 2016

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1083589

http://webmshare.com/done/rGK3n

[zomgee]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1083848

Is Nintendo positioning Splatoon as an eSports game?

 
 
 
  

There are way, way too many ties in that game to be taken seriously. It reminds me of Mechassault for the Xbox where two people would go against each other and inevitably kill each other.

eSports. 

[curly]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1083974

lmfao the people tripping over themselves to defend Jon Stewart in this thread. Thought we were about exposing day to day racial aggressions in 2015 

So many wieners in that thread shitting on Cenac for having the nerve to say something bad about a guy who hosted a tv show they like.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172848980&postcount=166

Consider Jon Stewart an idol 

[Tasty]

bitch i've been fake homo longer than you've had hair on your nuts know your place

You're literally participating in blackface. No wonder your taste in pop is shite.

[nudemacusers]

1.


2. do you feel the same way about drag queens?

[brob]

smh mac you're old as dirt and don't know your bigotry ABCs? drag queens are cismen doing womanface 

[VomKriege]

So do white liberals includes jews ?
I jest but I have a hard time with the 'white liberal' label. I totally see the hypocrisy you can find sometimes with liberals, especially those from middle and upper class, but it is just so weird to affix a skin color to that...

[Rufus]

So do white liberals includes jews ?
I jest but I have a hard time with the 'white liberal' label. I totally see the hypocrisy you can find sometimes with liberals, especially those from middle and upper class, but it is just so weird to affix a skin color to that...

It's relevant in this case because it's about racism against black people. Just substitute Roma or Muslims in your head to get an idea of what kind of person they're talking about. "I haven't got anything against foreigners, but the fucking gypsies..."

[octopushover]

i'm honestly struggling hard as fuck to figure out how the cenac story makes jon stewart a racist. it makes him a shitty boss, but why is it racist?

bringing in the malcolm x quote is baffling too, because i honestly have no idea how you can draw those parallels based on what we know about the situation.

talk about acrobatics

[studyguy]

It's okay, no one will be watching the daily show in a couple months anyway
 

[Himu]

Didn't say Stewart was a racist. We don't know the whole context, and I don't think Stewart is a racist. I do however think that like many white liberals he prides and heralds himself based on an image of how non-racist or open he is. So he does what Cenac says he did, including the joke that lead up to it. It's textbook white liberal "I am a paragon of openness while at the same time doing something that goes against what I stand for" is all. It creates this image that they stand for something, while participating in the opposite.

The Malcolm X quote is relevant if only to show and express the desire to not always willingly trust white liberals. Often, with those types, it isn't about empathy or anything, but themselves.

This article is a wonderful examination of a white liberal for instance.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/08/ok_so_what_would_convince_you_that_racism_is_real/

Read how he carries himself.

[Steve Youngblood]

i'm honestly struggling hard as fuck to figure out how the cenac story makes jon stewart a racist. it makes him a shitty boss, but why is it racist?

bringing in the malcolm x quote is baffling too, because i honestly have no idea how you can draw those parallels based on what we know about the situation.

talk about acrobatics

Well, one thing I'll note is that this isn't the first time Stewart has been challenged for perhaps not being in person what his on-air persona would have you believe:

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/09/jon_stewart_cursed_me_out_i_dared_question_a_daily_show_warm_up_comics_racist_jokes/

So I raised my hand and asked, “Why does your warm-up comedian use ethnic humor?”

In retrospect, I should have phrased it more accurately: Why does your show use a comedian whose politics and belief system are so clearly at odds with the show’s? Why is this kind of prejudice being associated with “The Daily Show”? But I was nervous; I didn’t rehearse my question beforehand; I felt I had no time to lose. My tone wasn’t combative, only curious. I didn’t see Stewart as a big media producer on a schedule: I saw him as a person who cared, who asked the same kind of questions I believed in asking.

Stewart’s face creased with annoyance. He said, shortly, loudly, glaring at me, “BECAUSE. IT’S. FUCKING. FUNNY.”  The audience erupted into wild applause.

Meanwhile, he stared at me with palpable hostility. Once the applause had died down, he added, “Don’t you even watch the show?” He turned to his desk and scrawled a couple notes; he took a question about the set design, but his mood had visibly soured. People sitting around me stared at me and whispered.

[Mr Gilhaney]

People differently on tv than in person? I'm shocked.

Anyone else ever thought that bill o'reilly might be a totally cool guy to hang around with off set? I don't know why, but I feel like we could be buddies.

[Himu]

Also: jews aren't white people? You telling me Jerry Seinfeld's not white?

[Himu]

Anyways, in regards to Stewart and that Malcolm X quote, how is it not applicable. The other week, Stewart did this:



So he uses it to tell a narrative of how his persona feels to help rally up the team (democrats and liberals). But this doesn't change how Stewart REALLY participates and doesn't consider black feelings, as Steve has already showed you. Thus, it's pretty clear, or could be interpreted, that Stewart gives off a narrative of being open and speaking for black people, because he sees us as chess pieces to help flex and maintain his liberal narrative. That Malcolm X quote is on the dot.

[Kara]

So do white liberals includes jews ?
I jest but I have a hard time with the 'white liberal' label. I totally see the hypocrisy you can find sometimes with liberals, especially those from middle and upper class, but it is just so weird to affix a skin color to that...

Nah, In Malcolm X's world the tribe is a special category.

Malcolm X: We’re anti-exploitation and in this country the Jews have been located in the so-called Negro community as merchants and businessmen for so long that they feel guilty when you mention that the exploiters of Negroes are Jews.

http://monthlyreview.org/2005/02/01/interview-with-malcolm-x/

[octopushover]

Anyways, in regards to Stewart and that Malcolm X quote, how is it not applicable. The other week, Stewart did this:



So he uses it to tell a narrative of how his persona feels to help rally up the team (democrats and liberals). But this doesn't change how Stewart REALLY participates and doesn't consider black feelings, as Steve has already showed you. Thus, it's pretty clear, or could be interpreted, that Stewart gives off a narrative of being open and speaking for black people, because he sees us as chess pieces to help flex and maintain his liberal narrative. That Malcolm X quote is on the dot.

i still have trouble seeing where he "sees us as chess pieces to help flex and maintain his liberal narrative"

that seems like a major presumption based on the fact that he yelled at his only black employee when being called out for a sketch that may or may not have been problematic in the first place

[VomKriege]

Also: jews aren't white people? You telling me Jerry Seinfeld's not white?

Well, according to some adamant white people, jews may not qualify...

Not to be contrarian, I understand well who you are speaking about, and I'll probably toss Stewart in there. It's just that 'white liberal' is the amalgation of two very vague terms and I think we would be better off not using it in most cases.

[studyguy]

Jews are about as white as it gets, don't kid yourself.

[VomKriege]

Also so far all we have is that Stewart got defensive over ŕ mild criticism of a sketch that may have been insensitive. Honestly it's hard to get much out of that, apart that Stewart may be insecure about his own convictions.

[VomKriege]

Jews are about as white as it gets, don't kid yourself.

My point is that the notion of 'whiteness' is as artificial, evolving and arbritary that the black one. I know it's a shortcut for 'priviliged members of the ruling majority / minority', don't think it is a good one.

[studyguy]

Just cause you're kosher white with a side of Kugel doesn't mean you're any less white to me despite what people wanna argue online.

[brob]

My point is that the notion of 'whiteness' is as artificial, evolving and arbritary that the black one. I know it's a shortcut for 'priviliged members of the ruling majority / minority', don't think it is a good one.

'privileged member of the ruling majority / minority' is the capitalist class.

to be white is to be a non-racialized individual in a white supremacist system. who gets to be white changes: irish and italians used to be racialized, but are now not. jews are still on the outskirts of whiteness but #notalljews are positioned the same (white passing, etc).

[Kara]

Next time I am around casual antisemitism irl I'll just kick my feet up and go "nbd, studyguy at the Bore says I'm white," instead of feeling like shit and doing nothing about it because I value being an invisible minority.

[studyguy]

Glad we sorted that out.

[brob]

I have reported studyguy to ADL

I expect a Foxman to issue a denouncement in 2-4 business days

:allygoyim

[Kara]

brob hit the nail on the head when he said non-racialized, btw. Incognito no one makes jokes at my expense, they don't ask me what I am, they don't try to ascribe my beliefs to anything but my unshakable belief in the one true science of Marxism-Leninism, and most of all they share all their charming prejudices unencumbered by worry at offending a minority. Avoiding racialization is a large part of why I am crypto.

[Himu]

Anyways, in regards to Stewart and that Malcolm X quote, how is it not applicable. The other week, Stewart did this:



So he uses it to tell a narrative of how his persona feels to help rally up the team (democrats and liberals). But this doesn't change how Stewart REALLY participates and doesn't consider black feelings, as Steve has already showed you. Thus, it's pretty clear, or could be interpreted, that Stewart gives off a narrative of being open and speaking for black people, because he sees us as chess pieces to help flex and maintain his liberal narrative. That Malcolm X quote is on the dot.

i still have trouble seeing where he "sees us as chess pieces to help flex and maintain his liberal narrative"

that seems like a major presumption based on the fact that he yelled at his only black employee when being called out for a sketch that may or may not have been problematic in the first place

It may be a presumption, but it falls in line with traditional liberal thinking so there's entirely a precedent.

[mormapope]

Aren't Jewish people arab technically?

 

[Jansen]

from the hogan thread



people watch this shit?

[Himu]

Next time I am around casual antisemitism irl I'll just kick my feet up and go "nbd, studyguy at the Bore says I'm white," instead of feeling like shit and doing nothing about it because I value being an invisible minority.

Well I'm sorry. I grew up thinking Jews were white. I could not tell a difference.

[Himu]

from the hogan thread



people watch this shit?

Outside skits in wrestling are dog shit.

Wrestling purist time: storytelling should only happen in-ring. The only storytelling that should ever happen, or ever NEED to happen are related to matches, wins, and losses. The only time there needs to be a promo back stage is for some guy or gal to express they won/loss and they're going to kick ass and why I should watch. Alternatively, they're kicking ass/getting their ass kicked in-ring that is making want to continue watching. Please do not define all wrestling or all wrestling fans to this horrendous video. Vince McMahon and WWE are the among the worst at this and have historically placed shock over well crafted storylines.

#notallwrestlingfans

[mormapope]

WWF Attitude Era was the best as a casual wrestling fan

 

[Himu]

Attitude Era was in hindsight

Horrible "humor"
Very, very little actual wrestling
Ruined wrestling for a generation to the point where people want it to come back but it can't ever come back because chair shots to the head, jumping off ladders 12 feet in the air doing flips, chris benoit landing on his head from the top rope and we know where that went , mick foley asking to be dropped on a den of tacks...twice
Stupid shock value storylines ("I cut off pee pee";etc)
The quality of the wrestling was rarely good
How many times they gonna repeat Austin vs McMahon or Kane vs Undertaker?

When I got WWE Network and went back, it was really eye opening how exalted that era of wrestling was, despite being pretty doo doo, but it was the times, and everyone didn't give a shit when it was going on because it was just how it was.

In hindsight though?

[mormapope]

We got the best 3D wrestling games of all time during that era though
 

Attitude era characters were meant to appeal to kids and teenagers, and it worked tenfold. My brother and I would tune in every week, get the newest wrestling games on N64.

In hindsight, its really bizarre and stiff melodrama revolving around one dimensional characters. But at that time? It felt like something neat and great.

[Himu]

The video games though

[Kara]

Aren't Jewish people arab technically?

 

They're both Semitic peoples.

[nachobro]

every wresting game is crap except for def jam and wwe all stars

and the wwf game that looked like mortal kombat

[Steve Contra]

Is there any spirited defenses of Hogan on GAF?  Given that it's the birthplace of the famed "vortex defense" and Chris Benoit's legendary work ethic justifying a few racist comments should be a slam dunk.

[studyguy]

Is hogan even like on the top 10 dusthead wrestling fan list?
I feel like there are more dudes out there who despite having less of an impact on WWE shit, were more interesting in the end.

[FStop7]

every wresting game is crap except for def jam and wwe all stars

and the wwf game that looked like mortal kombat

 

My man.  That game is so much fun.

[Steve Contra]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6846814&postcount=1413

Never gets old

[studyguy]

Die a hero or live long enough for people to realize you

▢ Molest kids
▢ Are a racist
▢ Are serial killer
▢ Were part of a Sandler film
Check all that appy

[Phoenix Dark]

Is there any spirited defenses of Hogan on GAF?  Given that it's the birthplace of the famed "vortex defense" and Chris Benoit's legendary work ethic justifying a few racist comments should be a slam dunk.

Someone really needs to re-post the Benoit defenses in that thread, but simply change the names/context.

[octopushover]

every wresting game is crap except for def jam and wwe all stars

and the wwf game that looked like mortal kombat

def jam was so bomb 

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1084247

IWATA DIDN'T DIE FOR THIS !

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1029451

For all you  out there.

[studyguy]

Read some shit how Pixels will kill Sandler's career.
Like for real, dude just made a movie on the same tier as Jack & Jill and isn't sweating it.

I don't understand how he does it, but it's impressive.

[Himu]

DEVO

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172892531&postcount=251

In case it's deleted:

Sperglord gaf user named voodoojohn posted this:

Man... First devo, then fiction, and now backslashbunny. How many more derisively dismissive female authorities on life will GAF have to endure?

Devolution quoted his I haven't washed my ass in five days self with:

See this? Right here? Especially you mods? This is why your forum is trash.

Can't even go on a forum hiatus for months because you never properly dealt with this misogyny, and outsiders think GAF is some kind of progressive gaming site, lawd.

The amount of just blatant harassment this site has cultivated in my direction and outside of it, a lot of which is just constantly handwaved as some kind of "well this is what you get for being a woman on the internet and espousing opinions" punishment.

But by all means make sure the Feminism OT is closed, that'll help.

That's my sis

[VomKriege]

Maybe I'm misremembering but wasn't the moment his career seemed at the direst point was after the supposedly good Little Nicky ? Shitty comedies are his lifeline.

Punch Drunk Love was good though.

EDIT : Devo's career obviously.

[Mr. Nobody]

every wresting game is crap except for def jam and wwe all stars

and the wwf game that looked like mortal kombat

 



 

[studyguy]

I used to play those shitty N64 WWF games made by THQ.
Those were awful, but in an endearing kind of way.