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[FStop7]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=174872760

Some serious anxiety going on over the fact that yes, perception matters to a lot of people.  Especially those who cohabitate with other human beings who might not share the same interests.

[Himu]

Without the obnoxiousness of BLM protesters pissing in his pocket I doubt he'd run and do this: https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

But it's not like the #bern is anything more than the "far left" arm of the Clinton campaign, so it's a bit dim to expending any energy on his policies and/or rallies tbh

Correct. He did not make an official stance on racial inequality until he was heckled the first time. If you google Bernie Sanders + race all you're gonna get is stuff about how he has a race problem, or he doesn't get it, or the recent fiasco, or that brand new spanking link you just posted.

People say he walked with MLK, but so the fuck what? Jesse Jackson was with MLK too and people call him a race baiter.

As much as I love Bernie and his track record, he seems to be the kinda lefty that legit thinks that economic policy alone is enough to talk about the struggles of the American people and that race is beneath it because class supersedes race at all times. Tha naive type of view, where you say you represent it but don't actually talk about it.

Sanders is a socialist. I wouldn't compare him directly to typical white liberals who have sold out black people, the working class, unions, etc.

Second...the main problem in the black community today is socioeconomic, and the product of institutional racism. Many of the issues in inner cities revolve around a lack of jobs, low income, poor services, and horrible schools. Each is impacted by the economy.

Black income grew nearly $7k between 1991-2000. Poverty in the US fell by 25% between 1990 and 2000. What happened in that time period? An economic boom. So let's not pretend like the economy is not a major factor in this issue.

I used the word left deliberately when speaking of Sanders, because speaking AS a socialist, I personally don't even consider most Americans liberals to even BE left. However, being a black socialist I am very, very keen to the white socialist talking point that "race isn't that important, it's besides the issue. The biggest (to them, only) struggle of today is class" or "the man is using race to divide us! Don't talk about race!!!" So I really don't need you to lecture me on that.

[Phoenix Dark]

 

[Himu]

In any case, yeah, you're right. But does this justify not talking about race at all until he's forced to? Nope. Which ties into those delicious quotes I just posted.

[Phoenix Dark]

But he did talk about race before Netroots...

I'm tired of defending a guy who won't win one primary though. I feel like FlameOfCallonor

[Kara]

Cuba doesn't have the kind of racial economic discrimination that the U.S. has yet it still has persistent institutional racism (particularly in the leadership of the PCC).

[Himu]

Where did he talk about race? It wasn't even a bullet point on his official platform on his site, was it?

And at FoC.

[Himu]

Cuba doesn't have the kind of racial economic discrimination that the U.S. has yet it still has persistent institutional racism (particularly in the leadership of the PCC).

Bring this up in our marxist/socialist circles and watch them squirm

[daycru]

Kid Kamikaze getting annihilated. 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174891510&postcount=1752 and onward

He's not wrong. It was essentially 5 people, and not the BLM movement that did it. But now BLM is "embarassing" and not just those five individuals? Miss me with that. You'd have to be full on cac or an Oreo to expound that view. Someone who really wasn't about it, but pretended to be about it, but when merely five people do something stupid you throw the whole -entirely legitimate - movement under the bus.

Liberals defined in a paragraph. Read it again, then wipe that sweat from your brow recognizing I'm right.

It's not just those five people, plenty of dummies were defending them. Bernie Sanders wants to get shit done, not play get whitey whack-a-mole.

[Phoenix Dark]

Where did he talk about race? It wasn't even a bullet point on his official platform on his site, was it?

And at FoC.

I remember him talking about black unemployment quite a bit before Netroots. Wasn't a talking point on his site iirc though.

[doctavius bonbon]

talking about this?

[Himu]

Where did he talk about race? It wasn't even a bullet point on his official platform on his site, was it?

And at FoC.

I remember him talking about black unemployment quite a bit before Netroots. Wasn't a talking point on his site iirc though.

So what you're saying is that in the year of our Lord 2015, Bernie Sanders a social democrat running on a progressive platform didn't have an official stance on race or racial inequality on his actual website platform despite record highs - in decades at least - of racial tension?

Hmmmmm.

Where's Esch and that emoticon he has with that little baby with that smug look and he's got his hand over his chin? I need it badly.

[StealthFan]

Esch is gone baby gone

[Kara]

Cuba doesn't have the kind of racial economic discrimination that the U.S. has yet it still has persistent institutional racism (particularly in the leadership of the PCC).

Bring this up in our marxist/socialist circles and watch them squirm

But that's where I learnt that?

Brocialists will always be a thing, but I'm probably one of the few white man cishet scum comrades in the circles I (used to more and more) run in.

[Atramental]

Where did he talk about race? It wasn't even a bullet point on his official platform on his site, was it?

And at FoC.

I remember him talking about black unemployment quite a bit before Netroots. Wasn't a talking point on his site iirc though.

So what you're saying is that in the year of our Lord 2015, Bernie Sanders a social democrat running on a progressive platform didn't have an official stance on race or racial inequality on his actual website platform despite record highs - in decades at least - of racial tension?

Hmmmmm.

Where's Esch and that emoticon he has with that little baby with that smug look and he's got his hand over his chin? I need it badly.

[Himu]

OMG MORMA

Cuba doesn't have the kind of racial economic discrimination that the U.S. has yet it still has persistent institutional racism (particularly in the leadership of the PCC).

Bring this up in our marxist/socialist circles and watch them squirm

But that's where I learnt that?

Brocialists will always be a thing, but I'm probably one of the few white man cishet scum comrades in the circles I (used to more and more) run in.

For real? Sounds like a dream. What organizations do you attend?

[Phoenix Dark]

Proletariat Accountants United.

[Tasty]

Proletariat United Accountants

PUA for short.

[Joe Molotov]

Marxist Rotary Association

[Joe Molotov]

Socialist Justice Warriors

[Himu]

Socialist Justice Warriors

too low, bb

[Great Rumbler]

Marxist Association of Really Xenophobic Intellectuals and Secular Tricksters

[ToxicAdam]

This is tangential to the conversation, but there was a great documentary I saw one time called "Following Sean". The 'hook' is a documentary about tracking down the child of hippies 30 years later. But what unfolds is a generational study on how leftist politics/values has evolved in America.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/following_sean_2006/

It was really eye-opening to see how much animosity the "old" socialists had for the hippies of the Woodstock era. You would think that they would be kindred spirits, but they were not.

[Phoenix Dark]

Imperium Of Cis-Men

[Himu]

This is tangential to the conversation, but there was a great documentary I saw one time called "Following Sean". The 'hook' is a documentary about tracking down the child of hippies 30 years later. But what unfolds is a generational study on how leftist politics/values has evolved in America.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/following_sean_2006/

It was really eye-opening to see how much animosity the "old" socialists had for the hippies of the Woodstock era. You would think that they would be kindred spirits, but they were not.

Here's something I found as well, that kind of gets into the ideas I've been talking about here.

http://changefromwithin.org/2015/08/09/interrupting-bernie-exposing-the-white-supremacy-of-the-american-left/

Thanks for the link and suggestion.

[mormapope]

OMG MORMA

Think you mean Atramental.

All white posters type and post the same, huh

[Himu]

THANK  YOU ATRA

[Tasty]

Marxist Association of Really Xenophobic Intellectuals and Secular Tricksters

Together they form, VOLTRON!

[Shadow Mod]

This is tangential to the conversation, but there was a great documentary I saw one time called "Following Sean". The 'hook' is a documentary about tracking down the child of hippies 30 years later. But what unfolds is a generational study on how leftist politics/values has evolved in America.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/following_sean_2006/

It was really eye-opening to see how much animosity the "old" socialists had for the hippies of the Woodstock era. You would think that they would be kindred spirits, but they were not.

Two different generations.

My dad's grandparents were socialists. They came from farming people. But even some of those types were quite nationalist, sometimes even jingoist having seen WWII and what not. Plus they went through the great depression.

My mom was a hippy. They didn't really have nationalistic pride despite having grown up in the 50s. Then in the 60s they basically rebelled against their parents quite hard. They saw a lot of inequity that needed fixing. They didn't see Vietnam as necessary. Older generations were pretty spiteful of baby boomers tbh, thought they were spoiled as hell, to be fair a lot of them were compared to great depression era folks.

Of course these are all white people I'm talking about who still had it loads better than any minority at the time, so to hear any of them talk about the struggle or the "great 50s" still has to be taken into proper context.

[Himu]

As an addendum, Fred Phelps was once a civil rights activist.

[Kara]

The New Left was a very deliberate shunning (Hegelian antithesis) of the Old Left. In particular, jettisoning workers' interests and a materialist conception of not just history but reality itself. (This runs the gamut from New Agers to GMO truthers.) The beef is pretty old, but I can understand why far-left on far-left crime can be new and strange to those outside the tree house.

As I intimated, the Old Left is going through something of a Hegelian synthesis at present given decades of New Left stagnancy, but whether that amounts to anything in the end is a mystery.

I don't officially belong to any groups, Himu, but the West's M-L party (the PSL) is a less salon, more organizational example of what I was talking about.

[thisismyusername]

How is that dude even polling now.
Last I saw he was still snowball chance in hell vs Hillary.

Unless I read the wrong shit recently, he's been closing the gap each time polls happen.

Honestly, the constant barrage of "Hilary has this, he has no chance" for the past two months is grating as fuck.

Even if he gains on Hillary I doubt he'll get the nomination. As much as I would love it over Hillary (he agrees with most of my view points on shit) I don't think he has a chance of being put on the national stage. The democrats pass over a woman after putting a black guy in office? Doubtful.

[Himu]

I've got PSL pamphlets. I have a large interest in Socialist Alternative because of what they've accomplished so far, especially Ms. Sawant.

[Shadow Mod]

What's always crazy to me is old people who vote conservative/republican yet have basically benefited from some of the biggest socialist programs this country has to offer.

[Phoenix Dark]

What's always crazy to me is old people who vote conservative/republican yet have basically benefited from some of the biggest socialist programs this country has to offer.

That as well as "I paid for my college education by being a paper boy. Kids today are just lazy" fuckery.

old people are trash, real talk.

[Himu]

PD not giving a fuck

[Shadow Mod]

Fuck those types so hard, especially if they're in Cali.

Back in the day you didn't even have to pay for tuition for UCs. That was the point of public colleges like Universities, to be just like any other public school. Now though? Psssh.

When my mom told me she went to UCBerk tuition free I was like

 

[brawndolicious]

It's possible to go to a UC tuition free if you're over 22 and an independent, I did that when I went back and got all my tuition plus half of my living expenses paid for. Still ended up with $5,000 a year in federal loans.

The middle class students who entered right out of high school usually paid about $15,000/year just for tuition.

[thisismyusername]

It's possible to go to a UC tuition free if you're over 22 and an independent, I did that when I went back and got all my tuition plus half of my living expenses paid for. Still ended up with $5,000 a year in federal loans.

The middle class students who entered right out of high school usually paid about $15,000/year just for tuition.

Seriously? Is this for other states as well do you know?

[Shadow Mod]

It's possible to go to a UC tuition free if you're over 22 and an independent, I did that when I went back and got all my tuition plus half of my living expenses paid for. Still ended up with $5,000 a year in federal loans.

The middle class students who entered right out of high school usually paid about $15,000/year just for tuition.

Back when my mom was going anyone with residency in state didn't have to pay regardless of their personal finances because it was basically paid into by the taxes imposed on their relatives. The idea was that public education is a great safety net, an educated populace, even if they don't go into white collar careers, are better off, more intelligent and lead healthier existences. Now it doesn't really matter since so many put themselves in dire financial straits that the stress of getting an education strips some of those previous benefits. They also identified who wasn't necessarily higher education material and made sure to get them into the trades. These days no one gives that much of a shit. Encouraging everyone and their mother to go to a college, any kind of college, sure was a boon for the assholes who dole out private loans.

It's possible to go to a UC tuition free if you're over 22 and an independent, I did that when I went back and got all my tuition plus half of my living expenses paid for. Still ended up with $5,000 a year in federal loans.

The middle class students who entered right out of high school usually paid about $15,000/year just for tuition.

Seriously? Is this for other states as well do you know?

Depends. Various grants and stuff have been cut. Thank Bush et al.

[Phoenix Dark]

I watched my friend's grandma reduce her to tears once.

"You can't pay to go to the University Of Michigan? I paid for undergrad as a part time Avon lady"

"Well nana I can't, despite working two jobs. I don't want to go into too much debt. I'm going to start out by going to a community college and then transferring to -"
"Community college? Only burnouts and poverty people* go to those. Why can't you work harder?"


*yes, she literally said poverty people brehs.

Old people shit and they need to be checked.

[Rufus]

Tell them to stop being eaters if they love hard work so much.

[StealthFan]

Don't use that flabby n sick Jim Brown remix breh.

[Tasty]

I watched my friend's grandma reduce her to tears once.

(Image removed from quote.)"You can't pay to go to the University Of Michigan? I paid for undergrad as a part time Avon lady"

(Image removed from quote.) "Well nana I can't, despite working two jobs. I don't want to go into too much debt. I'm going to start out by going to a community college and then transferring to -"
(Image removed from quote.)"Community college? Only burnouts and poverty people* go to those. Why can't you work harder?"


*yes, she literally said poverty people brehs.

Old people shit and they need to be checked.

Tell that bitch to croak and get off social security so some of us will actually have a future.

[brawndolicious]

Yeah the price of education is ridiculous when almost every decent job outside of skilled labor requires a college degree. Going to a public university costs as much as retirees collect in social security but you only need to pay it for 4 years and you end up with a better employee for the next 40.

It's possible to go to a UC tuition free if you're over 22 and an independent, I did that when I went back and got all my tuition plus half of my living expenses paid for. Still ended up with $5,000 a year in federal loans.

The middle class students who entered right out of high school usually paid about $15,000/year just for tuition.

Seriously? Is this for other states as well do you know?

I don't know if other states did it too. But actually I'm remembering that my school (UC Santa Cruz) is the one that gave me a grant that completely covered tuition every year while the state government only gave a few thousand a year. So maybe my advice is incredibly specific.

If you're planning to get a degree, it's definitely worth it to first go to a junior college with a good transfer program, but this could be a California only thing since I know we have a system that makes it really easy to transfer credits.

[Himu]

That thing about UC tuition and living independent above age 22 is definitely not in Texas.

[Phoenix Dark]

Michigan has some of the best community colleges in the country, and the credits are transferable to the biggest universities in the state. It doesn't make much sense IMO to rush to a university unless you have a good major in mind. If you aren't sure or want to fuck around with liberal arts bullshit, go to a community college and save money. Figure out your path and then transfer in two years.

[Kara]

Overpaid, undereducated (I mean actual education, not specifically a formal one) middle class cretins need to be checked, their age is irrelevant.

[zomgee]

Overpaid, undereducated (I mean actual education, not specifically a formal one) middle class cretins need to be checked, their age is irrelevant.

sorry

[Phoenix Dark]

Overpaid, undereducated (I mean actual education, not specifically a formal one) middle class cretins need to be checked, their age is irrelevant.

Do you want to go to the camps too, comrade?
 

[Huff]

Florida tuition used to be great. We barely paid anything before bright futures was slashed.

[FStop7]

Fuck entitled, old people.

"WORK HARDER, YOU UNGRATEFUL SHITS."

"WHERE'S MY SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK?  WHERE'S MY MEDICARE?"

[Kara]

Overpaid, undereducated (I mean actual education, not specifically a formal one) middle class cretins need to be checked, their age is irrelevant.

Do you want to go to the camps too, comrade?
 

Sergei Korolev did his time, so can I.

[Jansen]

The driving without a license thread on gaf

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Bernie Sanders is the new Ron Paul right? In terms of inexplicable frothing internet ball-suckage.

He's the Howard Dean of 2016.  Like Sanders, Dean was a favorite of progressives but he was unable to translate that into any real victories (outside of his home state, naturally).  Like Dean, in the primaries, he'll probably carry only Vermont and that is just because of his home state advantage.

[Phoenix Dark]

Overpaid, undereducated (I mean actual education, not specifically a formal one) middle class cretins need to be checked, their age is irrelevant.

Do you want to go to the camps too, comrade?
 

Sergei Korolev did his time, so can I.

Sounds like we need to greenlight Scared Straight: Gulag. Educational television

[Kara]

Overpaid, undereducated (I mean actual education, not specifically a formal one) middle class cretins need to be checked, their age is irrelevant.

Do you want to go to the camps too, comrade?
 

Sergei Korolev did his time, so can I.

Sounds like we need to greenlight Scared Straight: Gulag. Educational television

In Obama's genderfluid dry pegging Sharia with socialist characteristics dystopia I could totally see you being the kind of dad described in this short story. http://www.sovlit.net/conversationsattea/

[nachobro]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174704820&postcount=1952

1. What
2. Ew
3. Why is he talking about this in a thread about fighting games?

[zepblackstar]

This motherfucker is just a goddamn dullard

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1093518

My long-distance girlfriend of eight months told me she has developed feelings someone else while on a recent trip, but it hasn't altered the way she feels about me and she still loves me.

[Jansen]

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174704820&postcount=1952

1. What
2. Ew
3. Why is he talking about this in a thread about fighting games?