Author Topic: Mike Brown shooting thread - No indictment! Get out and protest!  (Read 184574 times)

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Himu

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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #300 on: August 13, 2014, 05:06:32 PM »
Mike Brown shooting claimed as "crowd control", no EMS was called, body was on the ground for 4 hours.

Wow.
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« Reply #301 on: August 13, 2014, 05:09:08 PM »
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« Reply #302 on: August 13, 2014, 05:17:00 PM »
Perfect. Note that Shaka already perfectly outlined how Anon ' s managed to rile up the families and officers in the area with their threat. Surely escalating tensions won't lead to more trigger happy cops and more violence and people in body bags, right? Ferguson bodies.


This seems like a slippery slope argument.

What anon did, appears to be a smarter act of civil disobedience than just randomly looting and burning down buildings.


Himu

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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #303 on: August 13, 2014, 05:17:27 PM »
1. I didn't say that things should escalate.

2. The police's non-action is why things are escalating, because people are now trying to take things into their own hands.

3. The police has given us literally zero information. Anon is giving us information. Again, on the cops.

4. Fuck off.

1. ??? Like i said, and Shaka pointed out via social media, Anon have the cops on edge. More tension= higher probability of violence = escalation of this whole conflict. By bringing that other shit into it, you're raising the stakes. How is this not obvious?

2. The cop should be arrested, no doubt, and they should withdraw martial law from the city. We're in agreement there?

3. The police often withholds information during investigations for a number of reasons. This isn't out of the ordinary in any country or situation. In case of an arrest, they'd declare his name.

4. :umad

1. I agree that they're raising the stakes. Nowhere have I disagreed that they aren't nor have I said that raising the stake is necessary. However, it seems a lot better than rioting or looting. Ultimately, the police's actions definitely help drive this, because....

2. You know the cop in question is unlikely to be arrested. He will more than likely be protected. But yes, both things should happen, immediately.

3. True.

4.

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« Last Edit: August 13, 2014, 05:25:03 PM by Queen of Ice »
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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #304 on: August 13, 2014, 05:24:26 PM »
TA and QoI making similar points, that's an interesting occurrence.

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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #305 on: August 13, 2014, 05:25:40 PM »
Ultimately I think he will be arrested and charged with manslaughter. FBI and DoJ are already involved :yeshrug

Honestly, I would call that extremely optimistic.

Oh wait, you only said charged. Yeah, probably, and then found not guilty

Himu

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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #306 on: August 13, 2014, 05:26:28 PM »
Ultimately I think he will be arrested and charged with manslaughter. FBI and DoJ are already involved :yeshrug

And George Zimmerman has yet to have a federal case for Trayvon Martin. Nothing will happen. Nothing ever does happen.

Anon releases information that will likely lead to something happening. Hard to hate.
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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #307 on: August 13, 2014, 05:28:53 PM »
Federal charges against a police officer will be much easier to bring than a private citizen.
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Himu

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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #308 on: August 13, 2014, 05:34:56 PM »
Federal charges against a police officer will be much easier to bring than a private citizen.

Would he be found guilty? Again, nothing will happen.
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Kara

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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #309 on: August 13, 2014, 05:40:53 PM »
Here is the moral justification for anon's actions: If the public is going to let it's government commit atrocities without repercussions, they will never stop. So if you are a public servant and commit a heinous act, expect one to be committed against you. Why should the public or a group of oppressed people always have to take the high road?

I guess it boils down to (1) whether or not you think you can justly wield the tools of the master or if those tools are inherently unjust and (2) whether or not justice is terror (to unironically quote Robespierre).

I suppose these really aren't distinct questions to ask when assessing the means of oppression employed by an oppressing group; their justice is their tool and their justice is terror.

Anyway, for me it's something that we should all strive for (while accepting the possibility that sometimes it simply won't be an option) because I believe those sacrificed in taking the low road deserved to enjoy the bounty found at the end of either road just as much as everyone else does and that building something on the low road puts you almost inextricably on the low road forever. Liberalism was spread around the world from one end of a gun (through both the French Revolutionary Wars and neoimperialism) and I don't think it's a coincidence that liberalism falls far short of its stated and lofty ideals of (legal) equality and freedom.

Unlike Robespierre, I don't think virtue without terror is impotence, nor do I think it emancipates virtue.
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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #310 on: August 13, 2014, 06:40:48 PM »
The weird thing is how this is going completely ignored on all my social media. I thought for sure that either the republicans (who are a bit subtly racist) would have something to say, or that my libertarian friend would be talking about the police bringing in APCs to quell the riots and how that is the first step towards a police state.
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Himu

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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #311 on: August 13, 2014, 06:46:27 PM »
The weird thing is how this is going completely ignored on all my social media. I thought for sure that either the republicans (who are a bit subtly racist) would have something to say, or that my libertarian friend would be talking about the police bringing in APCs to quell the riots and how that is the first step towards a police state.

Robin Williams (bless him) is more important.
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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #312 on: August 13, 2014, 06:50:11 PM »
Finally Himu is saying something sensible. 

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« Reply #314 on: August 13, 2014, 07:33:13 PM »
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« Reply #315 on: August 13, 2014, 07:39:13 PM »
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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #316 on: August 13, 2014, 07:42:38 PM »
This seems like wishful thinking, but you'd think the job of trained professionals would first off be de-escalation.
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« Reply #317 on: August 13, 2014, 07:50:39 PM »
https://twitter.com/BmoreConetta/statuses/499700456059596803
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State senator Maria Chapelle Nadal taken into police custody
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helios

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« Reply #318 on: August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM »
https://twitter.com/BmoreConetta/statuses/499700456059596803
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State senator Maria Chapelle Nadal taken into police custody
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@missypinkerton I'm on the street. Not arrested! On sidewalk!
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Kara

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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #320 on: August 13, 2014, 09:04:14 PM »
Ryan Reilly describing his arrest on Chris Hayes was absolutely terrifying. Being told to comply and being assaulted before having an opportunity to, not being told who arrested you or why, being completely rebuffed at every attempt to find out any amount of information. The idea that he had his face slammed into glass on purpose and will never know who did it, despite going through every possible legal channel....fuck. He talked about being handcuffed and trying to explain himself (as if he should have to) to officers who didn't care, who had just assaulted him, who had someone locked in the back of a van screaming for help. Fuck.

Himu

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Re: Police execute 18 year old boy; shot 10 times
« Reply #321 on: August 13, 2014, 09:09:47 PM »
Ryan Reilly describing his arrest on Chris Hayes was absolutely terrifying. Being told to comply and being assaulted before having an opportunity to, not being told who arrested you or why, being completely rebuffed at every attempt to find out any amount of information. The idea that he had his face slammed into glass on purpose and will never know who did it, despite going through every possible legal channel....fuck. He talked about being handcuffed and trying to explain himself (as if he should have to) to officers who didn't care, who had just assaulted him, who had someone locked in the back of a van screaming for help. Fuck.

Is he okay? Face slammed into glass?
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helios

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Any clips of the Ryan thing? I wasn't able to watch it

Himu

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Yeah, Maddow's on now.
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He and Wesley Morris are saying they are fine, just angry and looking for answers. Morris will be on Maddow shortly (~20 minutes) but I haven't seen the Reilly video up yet.

helios

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Wesley Lowery is on Maddow now


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They started to use the LRAD and fired gas

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Lizz Brown on Maddow saying that she was asked if she was okay with hearing the n-word while she was applying for the job in the St. Louis County prosecution office because the use seemed to be used often in the office...

Jesus Christ.

Everything about this situation in Ferguson is effing infuriating.

helios

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@TheAPJournalist: All satellite trucks have been ordered out, looks like some live streams have ended. #Ferguson

helios

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They're firing more tear gas and rubber bullets


helios

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Shit's popping off

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helios

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Police are firing smoke grenades and rubber bullets into houses now. Fires have started

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Kara

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Himu

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‏@DJ_illAdvised@HowardU proudly stands in solidarity with #Ferguson

https://twitter.com/DJ_illAdvised/status/499710133744988160



#blackexcellence
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Himu

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There seems to be more outrage over two reporters being arrested than a kid being murdered. :beli
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Jon Swaine @jonswaine  ·  3m
Just saw teargas land right at feet of al-Jazeera America camera crew. They say they were also shot at


Himu

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This is getting crazy. :what
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@DPRK_News 32m
Minister of People's Security Jae San-Hwok condemns brutal and high-handed atrocities against peaceful protesters in U.S. Missouri province.

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There seems to be more outrage over two reporters being arrested than a kid being murdered. :beli

I take it to mean that people are not only outraged at the murdered kid, but at government representatives (police) actively interfering with everyone's right to peacefully assemble, right to free speech, freedom of the press, and all that it entails toward finding out what happened and seeking justice for it.

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So, what I'm gathering from this thread is that the local cowboy police department is botching this to a degree that is mind-boggling, is that correct?
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Himu

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Benji what do your fellow libertarians think about this? Haven't seen Ted Cruz or Rand Paul speak on this. :hitler

where are the conservatives who feared military/government takeover?
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Here's Reilly being arrested, by the way:



Benji what do your fellow libertarians think about this? Haven't seen Ted Cruz or Rand Paul speak on this. :hitler

where are the conservatives who feared military/government takeover?

Looks like the government's doing it's job: clamping down on hooliganism. :hitler
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‏@DJ_illAdvised@HowardU proudly stands in solidarity with #Ferguson

https://twitter.com/DJ_illAdvised/status/499710133744988160

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#blackexcellence

where are the white people?  Also that chick in the corner is fine.

helios

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http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

shit is getting crazy

That's old. Crowd eventually got dispersed after the police fired tear gas and stun grenades in people's yards

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I went to Ron Paul's websites to see if he had anything up about Ferguson.

I feel you all tricked me into this.

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Benji what do your fellow libertarians think about this? Haven't seen Ted Cruz or Rand Paul speak on this. :hitler
http://reason.com/topics/police-brutality
http://reason.com/tags/michael-brown-shooting

https://twitter.com/repjustinamash
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Images & reports out of #Ferguson are frightening. Is this a war zone or a US city? Gov't escalates tensions w/military equipment & tactics.

Don't know what Ted Cruz has to do with libertarians. I'm sure Lew Rockwell's got some stuff about the brave police stamping out the uncivilized animals though.

EDIT: Guess I shouldn't badmouth Lew all the time without checking his site:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/no_author/ferguson-as-america/
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/william-norman-grigg/reject-police-militarism/ - semi-related
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/no_author/16-awesome-bridges%e2%80%a8/

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I just can't with this shit. Fuck.

Himu

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helios

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@Yamiche: The police are now retreating near the QuickTrip as sounds of gun shots fill the air. I'm not sure what is coming but police are screaming

@Yamiche: I have no idea what would make the police retreat like this.