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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - ATTEND YOUR CITY'S MOMENT OF SILENCE TONIGHT
« Reply #601 on: August 15, 2014, 01:09:46 AM »
No problem!

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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #602 on: August 15, 2014, 01:16:21 AM »
I woke up this morning and checked this thread for updates, and was horrified by what developed while I was sleeping. I went to my Facebook to see if the horror is reflected and instead walked into a bizarro world of denial.

STL friends, papers, blogs, and others I thought I knew are in a complete state panic, downplaying (or outright denying) the events in one post, while continuing their prayers for the police in another. Some people/pages are even are even putting more effort into tracking criminal records of those who were shot/killed, rather than cover the event itself... As if it would justify either the excessive use of force or violations of rights.

People crying for justice for Michael are a minority on my feed.

I'm literally sick to my stomach. Everything is a lie.

shaka starting to understand why I'm always grumpy and why I try to fuck with other white people as little as possible :rejoice

:piss fake-ass white liberals who make contrived political positions and esoteric lifestyle choices to hide the fact that they're exactly the same as every other selfish cac out there :piss2


also I am saddened to find out I missed a chance to see the masterdouche tariq nasheed in person. I wonder if he's related to jamilah nasheed?
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #603 on: August 15, 2014, 01:18:10 AM »
:piss fake-ass white liberals who make contrived political positions and esoteric lifestyle choices to hide the fact that they're exactly the same as every other selfish cac out there :piss2

This thing was excellent for exposing this shit. :rejoice

Then you got the white liberals who stuck to their guns. Them allies breh :tocry Thank you all so much. :brazilcry
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #604 on: August 15, 2014, 01:18:49 AM »
https://vine.co/v/MYQVadp2aVi

:dead They alright out there. :obama

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I know the situation is still fucked, but I'm so happy right now I can't even sleep
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« Reply #605 on: August 15, 2014, 01:20:14 AM »
https://vine.co/v/MYQVadp2aVi

:dead They alright out there. :obama

:bow SAINT FUCKIN LOUIS :bow2

I know the situation is still fucked, but I'm so happy right now I can't even sleep

Join me.

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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #607 on: August 15, 2014, 01:32:04 AM »
This map west of san antonio and east of SoCal :sabu :dead :sabu

Total wasteland aside from a few blips.

Twitter made a map of all geotagged tweets about #Ferguson, showing how the news spread http://on.rt.com/x4m32q 


https://twitter.com/RT_America/status/500121488134254592/photo/1
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #609 on: August 15, 2014, 03:44:54 AM »
I uh ... bravely argued with my mom about this  :-[

i woulda gone to the seattle nmos thing but by the time i realized it was happening tonight, it was too late to take the bus
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #610 on: August 15, 2014, 06:35:15 AM »
This map west of san antonio and east of SoCal :sabu :dead :sabu

Total wasteland aside from a few blips.
That is how the population is distributed.


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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - Local police pull out of Ferguson
« Reply #611 on: August 15, 2014, 07:00:17 AM »
I'll say it.  I don't give a shit.  Ginger.
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #612 on: August 15, 2014, 07:45:18 AM »
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #613 on: August 15, 2014, 07:52:18 AM »
POLICE NOT WAVING WEAPONS, SHOOTING PEOPLE WITH TEAR GAS AND FLASH BANGS, NOT BRINGING OUT DRONES AND APC'S AND GOOD THINGS HAPPEN.

Who woulda thought? :gladbron

I wonder how long this would have been going on had the police not put a US senator in harms way. Reports show she was tear gassed as well, and she used the opportunity to say,"yes I am a US senator" which basically means "you fucked up." Notice the government reaction - state and federal - after a federal employee was harmed.

Bless that woman for playing chess.
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #614 on: August 15, 2014, 08:09:15 AM »

We need to stay vigilant despite this feel good atmosphere. Remember, a young black man was killed by police in Florida yesterday. Also in Tampa, they invaded a house, smashed all the pictures, punched a kid in the eye, and hit another with the butt of a gun; it was the wrong house. This is for Eric Garner, who died on NYC streets from a heart attack while being choked by police and kicked in the head while struggling to say,"I can't breathe!!" As they took him down like an animal for supposedly selling CIGARETTES. This is for John Crawford, who was killed by police in a Wal-mart for buying a fake gun. The police didn't ask questions and shot first. This is for Trayvon Martin, whose killer is still out there, attending gun shows and being a jackass.

This is for Mike Brown.

Mike Brown helped unite the black community in ways I haven't seen before in my life. All of this shows is that is that the struggle is still here, no matter how cushy we are at our jobs or homes, we will always still be black and a people without a country , and for that we must fight back!

We need to keep it moving and continue with this.  Sharpton's not gonna be around forever, we need new leaders, and with a wave of natural hair, protests, and marching, I think we can create a new era of Black Power.

I'm going to join my local NAACP. Action, not words, solves matters.
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #615 on: August 15, 2014, 09:09:30 AM »
It also cannot be stressed how proud I am of the people in Ferguson. They went up against APCs, snipers, tear gas, flash bangs, and fucked up police in military uniforms damn near every night for almost a week. Coming back for more, just to find out why and who the fuck killed this child. They channeled the spirit of our ancestors. Absolutely inspiring shit.

I'm sorry for these three posts but this feels like a historic moment.
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #616 on: August 15, 2014, 10:43:09 AM »
Holy shit at the current mike brown smear campaign from ferguson police. Says a black officer killed him when we have videos and pics of a white officer with a gun. Says he was a suspect in an armed robbery when he didn't have a weapon. If he was a suspect in a robbery why didn't they reveal this info after this happened? More than that, being a suspect in a robbery means getting killed when you're unarmed? What happened to due process? If he was a suspect in the robbery why wasn't his friend Dorian arrested as well?

:what
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #617 on: August 15, 2014, 10:48:01 AM »
yeah the whole thing is crazy bullshit at this point.
after days of protest and national attention i seriously can't believe that they are trying to sneak this by

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That call about a Ferguson store came at 11:51 a.m., Jackson said; a description went out on the police dispatch at 11:52. And at 12:01, Wilson "encountered Michael Brown on Canfield Drive," the police chief said.

yeah.
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #618 on: August 15, 2014, 10:48:54 AM »
Holy shit at the current mike brown smear campaign from ferguson police. Says a black officer killed him when we have videos and pics of a white officer with a gun. Says he was a suspect in an armed robbery when he didn't have a weapon.

Where is this info coming from? I certainly don't want to seem like I'm defending Ferguson police, but from what I know right now, all they've done is release info packets that show pictures and descriptions of a robbery. They've also released the officer's name, so I don't think they're claiming it's a black officer. Again, this isn't a "Leave Ferguson PD alone" post. I'm just wondering where you're getting this from.

Himu

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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #619 on: August 15, 2014, 10:49:30 AM »
Robbing a store without a weapon in a black majority hood? :what

In broad daylight? :what

In flip flops? :what

And afterwards they're just going to casually walk in the street? :what
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #620 on: August 15, 2014, 10:56:12 AM »
They suspected him of stealing cigars.  It all makes sense now.

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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #621 on: August 15, 2014, 10:56:58 AM »
Is it possible to fire an entire police department?
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #622 on: August 15, 2014, 10:59:04 AM »
Himu: I post this not to disagree with anything you're saying, but just to make sure that we are in the same page in terms of what's being reported out there:






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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #623 on: August 15, 2014, 11:02:59 AM »
Himu: I post this not to disagree with anything you're saying, but just to make sure that we are in the same page in terms of what's being reported out there:

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The shoes in Mike's death pic don't even match with this dudes flip flops if I'm correct.
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« Reply #624 on: August 15, 2014, 11:07:50 AM »
This information is already working.  It's diverting the conversation away from the main point that eye witnesses said a man had already surrendered to police and was shot dead.  Whether he committed a crime prior to that or not isn't even really relevant.

Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #625 on: August 15, 2014, 11:08:10 AM »
The shoes in Mike's death pic don't even match with this dudes flip flops if I'm correct.

You can never tell anything for certain, but people who have seen pictures of Brown after the shooting seem to all confirm that the person is the surveillance footage is probably Brown. Obviously, stealing some cigars doesn't justify being gunned down. But as of this moment -- and again, I'm not saying that I can spot things from crappy video shots -- it seems as though Brown may have been involved in shoplifting/robbery.

Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #626 on: August 15, 2014, 11:08:33 AM »
Mupepe: I agree with you.

Himu

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« Reply #627 on: August 15, 2014, 11:12:35 AM »
This information is already working.  It's diverting the conversation away from the main point that eye witnesses said a man had already surrendered to police and was shot dead.  Whether he committed a crime prior to that or not isn't even really relevant.

I said as much already. They are trying to justify killing an unarmed man.
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #628 on: August 15, 2014, 11:13:09 AM »
The shoes in Mike's death pic don't even match with this dudes flip flops if I'm correct.

You can never tell anything for certain, but people who have seen pictures of Brown after the shooting seem to all confirm that the person is the surveillance footage is probably Brown. Obviously, stealing some cigars doesn't justify being gunned down. But as of this moment -- and again, I'm not saying that I can spot things from crappy video shots -- it seems as though Brown may have been involved in shoplifting/robbery.

And yet the store keeper said he didn't steal anything.
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #629 on: August 15, 2014, 11:16:58 AM »
And yet the store keeper said he didn't steal anything.

I'll preface this by stating that I'm not overly interested in belaboring the point. But as to your post, I think there's some confusion as to whether or not the clerk that stated that Brown didn't steal anything was at the location described/photographed in this police report.

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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #630 on: August 15, 2014, 11:20:06 AM »
Agreed.
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #631 on: August 15, 2014, 11:20:57 AM »


this is totally a real-life chewbacca defense

(side-note: Johnnie Cochran's breakthru case was against the Signal Hill PD who had a problem with black suspects dying in their holding cells)

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« Reply #632 on: August 15, 2014, 11:24:21 AM »

this is totally a real-life chewbacca defense

Please explain this phrase. I've read it for a minute and I still have no clue what the fuck.
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #633 on: August 15, 2014, 11:27:31 AM »
Good news is that this is now a federal case.
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« Reply #634 on: August 15, 2014, 11:27:32 AM »

this is totally a real-life chewbacca defense

Please explain this phrase. I've read it for a minute and I still have no clue what the fuck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

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« Reply #635 on: August 15, 2014, 11:28:19 AM »

this is totally a real-life chewbacca defense

Please explain this phrase. I've read it for a minute and I still have no clue what the fuck.

South Park reference. Basically it means to dazzle everyone with a bunch of bullshit that doesn't even make sense until everyone is too confused to rebut your argument.
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #636 on: August 15, 2014, 11:33:30 AM »
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #637 on: August 15, 2014, 12:00:32 PM »
Yes. It is a smear campaign. They are smearing his character. CNN is trying to paint it that because this guy in the store  seems to be - allegedly - Brown, that he deserves to die. That to me is a smear campaign. They are trying to clearly tarnish his character.
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« Reply #638 on: August 15, 2014, 12:03:20 PM »
This is why I don't like libertarians. Every one I have met is a complete robot without any feelings at all.

Putting on ignore. Libertarians just make my blood boil.
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« Reply #639 on: August 15, 2014, 12:11:17 PM »
there is literally no evidence to support the idea that he robbed the store. the store owner who got robbed said it wasn't him several days ago. his clothes are different from the video. his supposed accomplice was not arrested. no loot from robbery was found.

but it was important to release the info on this robbery as part of this whole Mike Brown thing. Autopsy report on entry/exit wounds or a report of the incident isn't such a big deal tho. let that wait a bit.

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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #640 on: August 15, 2014, 12:11:48 PM »
Your libertarian paranoia laced in hidden racism and love for crappy anime ass doesn't make you an intellectual, cunt bucket.

:rofl :dead oh my goooood :lol
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« Reply #641 on: August 15, 2014, 12:12:02 PM »
Guys, I think JD has a point. We need to give the benefit of the doubt to a police department that has, to this point, acted in an irrefutably professional manner.
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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - #solidarity *dances to the macarena*
« Reply #642 on: August 15, 2014, 12:13:37 PM »
:piss fake-ass white liberals who make contrived political positions and esoteric lifestyle choices to hide the fact that they're exactly the same as every other selfish cac out there :piss2

This thing was excellent for exposing this shit. :rejoice

Then you got the white liberals who stuck to their guns. Them allies breh :tocry Thank you all so much. :brazilcry

I was defending the rioters on my Facebook against a black former corrections officer (otherwise pretty liberal/anarchist) who kept referring to them as looters.


edit - oh shit I guess I haven't read this thread in a while

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« Reply #643 on: August 15, 2014, 12:14:05 PM »
there is literally no evidence to support the idea that he robbed the store. the store owner who got robbed said it wasn't him several days ago. his clothes are different from the video. his supposed accomplice was not arrested. no loot from robbery was found.

but it was important to release the info on this robbery as part of this whole Mike Brown thing. Autopsy report on entry/exit wounds or a rapport of the incident isn't such a big deal tho. let that wait a bit.

Here's the thing, though- his body laid in the street for four plus hours! Anyone could have come by and changed his clothes and taken those cigars. The fact that nine minutes elapsed from the call about the robbery to the officer confronting him about something other than the robbery means nothing!
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« Reply #644 on: August 15, 2014, 12:17:12 PM »
there is literally no evidence to support the idea that he robbed the store. the store owner who got robbed said it wasn't him several days ago. his clothes are different from the video. his supposed accomplice was not arrested. no loot from robbery was found.

but it was important to release the info on this robbery as part of this whole Mike Brown thing. Autopsy report on entry/exit wounds or a rapport of the incident isn't such a big deal tho. let that wait a bit.

Here's the thing, though- his body laid in the street for four plus hours! Anyone could have come by and changed his clothes and taken those cigars. The fact that nine minutes elapsed from the call about the robbery to the officer confronting him about something other than the robbery means nothing!

Mike brown was black and as such, has more muscles than the white man. He and Dorian hit the peddle to the metal, and got out of dodge just by walking casually. Who knows how far they walked in those 9 minutes? If white men can't jump, it should be assumed they can't walk like black people as well.

Common sense. :yeshrug
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« Reply #645 on: August 15, 2014, 12:22:49 PM »
Guys, I think JD has a point. We need to give the benefit of the doubt to a police department that has, to this point, acted in an irrefutably professional manner.

Yeah... yeah.  Well at least now they've made a statement - again, it was distinguished mentally-challenged for this to take this long - and now the public can have something to scrutinize. 

Maybe they're full of shit.  Maybe they're not.

What definitely has been full of fake info, thus far, has been this thread.

So it's ok to "scrutinize" spoon-fed information from a police department known to be depraved, but social media info needs to be immediately dismissed and not discussed at all. Got it.

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« Reply #646 on: August 15, 2014, 12:25:32 PM »
jaydub is too stupid/lazy to go out and read up on all the info so far, so instead he pulls this bullshit and then has the nerve to act like he actually knows better than us. fuck right off this site, and go back to failing at real life.
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« Reply #647 on: August 15, 2014, 12:35:56 PM »
A big problem with the shoplifting thing for me is that it makes white people get an indignant attitude where they're like,"SEEEEEE??!!!!!" Which scroll backs any progress.
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« Reply #648 on: August 15, 2014, 12:39:48 PM »
Oscar Grant: Public Intoxication, shot dead
Eric Garner: Selling cigarettes illegally, choked to death (using a banned chokehold!)
Mike Brown: Possibly suspected of maybe stealing cigars, shot dead

These should all get your libertarian blood boiling, JayDub.  If not imma have to doubt your dedication to the cause.
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« Reply #650 on: August 15, 2014, 12:43:20 PM »
So it's ok to "scrutinize" spoon-fed information from a police department known to be depraved, but social media info needs to be immediately dismissed and not discussed at all. Got it.

Mmm, I love the smell of intellectual dishonesty in the morning.  It's not like I gave examples of things we've gotten wrong thus far here, things I believed and then went about my day thinking had happened and then well, they actually didn't.  And I totally said that all things social media are always wrong and everything this police chief says or does is sacrosanct, uh-huh.

Ehh.  Just get your two minutes hate in, fuck it.

I didn't say you said that all social media is always wrong. I said that you criticized this thread for being full of people picking through social media that was sometimes wrong, and then turned around and said that non sequitor police screen grabs were a great opportunity for public scrutiny.

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« Reply #651 on: August 15, 2014, 12:44:09 PM »
Like all zealots, JayDubya only feels real compassion for fellow true-believers.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321901/-The-demonization-of-a-dead-unarmed-teenager-is-well-underway?detail=facebook

This seems silly. These are just fact-based reports helping people reach more of an understanding about the incident. 'Demonization' would be to attack his school record, or get a past girlfriend to bad mouth him or something like that.


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« Reply #652 on: August 15, 2014, 12:46:15 PM »
JD is incapable of admitting that there's a pattern in those things, though. Everything is a beautiful and unique situation that must be judged on it's own merits!
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« Reply #653 on: August 15, 2014, 12:46:16 PM »
"Smear campaign?" 

I mean, look, you're going to call me bullshit names whether I'm nice about this or I'm just blunt anyway, but fuck it, I will try to be nice.

You don't know it's a smear campaign. 

So much disinformation is out there... a metric fuckton of nonsense on social media, as always... and it will eventually get sussed out.

I mean, in this very thread, we've had "police execute 'boy' shooting 10 times in the back," we've had state senator got arrested, wait no she didn't, we've had police homes being burned, wait, no they weren't, we've had you posting the picture of some random guy who wasn't named Darren Wilson at all, and now you've got "smear campaign."  I'm not remotely confident that list is comprehensive.


scrutiny bad, bad thread

Guys, I think JD has a point. We need to give the benefit of the doubt to a police department that has, to this point, acted in an irrefutably professional manner.

Yeah... yeah.  Well at least now they've made a statement - again, it was distinguished mentally-challenged for this to take this long - and now the public can have something to scrutinize. 


Maybe they're full of shit.  Maybe they're not.

What definitely has been full of fake info, thus far, has been this thread.

scrutiny good, good public

Hell I don't even need the first post since you double back around in the very same post.

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« Reply #654 on: August 15, 2014, 12:46:21 PM »
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/08/opportunism-knocks-in-missouri.php
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Add Rand Paul’s name to the list of opportunists seeking to exploit for political purposes the tragic shooting of young Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. The race-hustlers populate the list, of course. So does President Obama, who sees a topic in his supposed wheelhouse (but in reality a local matter) through which he can distract attention from his disastrous foreign policy.

Writing in Time Magazine, Paul sees the opportunity to score libertarian points while showing sympathy for the black community, to which he has been pandering for some time. Let’s start with the race pandering.

Paul uses the occasion of the Brown tragedy to say that “given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.” But Paul makes no attempt to show that the disparities in question — presumably pertaining to conviction rates — are the result of “government targeting,” as opposed to disparities in the commission of crimes. Blacks may feel targeted, but U.S. Senators shouldn’t lend credibility to that feeling by disparaging our justice system unless they provide meaningful analysis to back it up.

It is particularly unfortunate that Paul uses Brown’s death to peddle the “government targeting blacks” narrative. Brown wasn’t killed due to government targeting. He was killed, from all that appears, by a bad cop.

If a pattern of government targeting blacks is relevant to this episode, then we would expect to find frequent instances of what happened to Brown. We don’t. Paul is just blowing smoke.

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It may well be true that many police forces have heavier arms than they are ever likely to need. Naturally, the police want the newest, fanciest, and most lethal weaponry, and the feds became quite willing to accommodate this desire after 9/11 when it was feared that armed terrorist cells might pop up in random communities.

But has the existence of an over-armed police force produced actual abuses that wouldn’t otherwise have occurred? Perhaps, but Paul makes no effort to demonstrate that it has.

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Ultimately, Paul relies on the optics of heavily armed police confronting citizens protesting the killing of Brown, and in some cases overreacting to the protesters. For example, the police reportedly fired tear gas at someone standing in his own yard.

In the context of looting and protests that could turn violent, it doesn’t seem unreasonable for the police to have its most powerful and lethal weapons at the ready. And even Paul, I hope, would allow the police to have tear gas available.

This is not to deny what may well be instances of overzealousness by the police, and not just in its use of tear gas. But again, this seems to be the product of fear and perhaps some loathing, not of “militarization.”

The tendency of police to overreact predates the current trend towards heavy armament, and the police could have acted as it is said to have acted in Missouri — e.g., banning walking in the street, intimidating journalists, etc. — in any scenario in which it has more available force than the citizenry. If Paul believes the police should not have more available force than the citizenry, he should say so.

Rand Paul seldom misses an opportunity to tie racial politics to his libertarianism. The result is never pretty. In this case, given the tragedy at issue, it seems ugly indeed.
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Himu

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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #655 on: August 15, 2014, 12:48:14 PM »
Rein in your folk, Benji.
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Himu

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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #656 on: August 15, 2014, 12:49:03 PM »
Anyways, wasn't Brown stopped for walking in the street?

Now it's a robbery?

This just smells wrong.
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AdmiralViscen

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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #657 on: August 15, 2014, 12:52:18 PM »
Anyways, wasn't Brown stopped for walking in the street?

Now it's a robbery?

This just smells wrong.

Who says he was stopped for walking in the street?

Social media? :smug


Himu

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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - MICHAEL BROWN SMEAR CAMPAIGN
« Reply #659 on: August 15, 2014, 12:57:08 PM »
Anyways, wasn't Brown stopped for walking in the street?

Now it's a robbery?

This just smells wrong.

Who says he was stopped for walking in the street?

Social media? :smug

Collin Reischman ‏@Collin_MOTimes 2h
It's worth noting that on Tuesday Chief Jackson told me Brown was not being stopped in relation to any criminal activity.
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