It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!

[Shadow Mod]

Have Rey peace out in the Millennium Falcon with Captain Phasma

[chronovore]

The funny thing about Rey is a lot of dudes are calling her a Mary Sue even though her development is no different than Luke's. If she were male, they wouldn't have any problems I bet. But because she's female,"I don't like a girl beating the bad guy like this" " she's good at too many things" and concern troll stuff which reeks of sexism.

I thought Mary-Sue was a term for both male or female viewer-participant/placeholder characters.

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The funny thing about Rey is a lot of dudes are calling her a Mary Sue even though her development is no different than Luke's. If she were male, they wouldn't have any problems I bet. But because she's female,"I don't like a girl beating the bad guy like this" " she's good at too many things" and concern troll stuff which reeks of sexism.

I thought Mary-Sue was a term for both male or female viewer-participant/placeholder characters.

It can be, but it's mostly used for female characters.

[benjipwns]

I think Marty Sue is used for guys? Or Gary Sue?

Anyway, io9 demands people stop spreading nonsense that Rey is one:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/please-stop-spreading-this-nonsense-that-rey-from-star-1749134275

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Wil Wheaton's character is pretty bad.

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I think Marty Sue is used for guys? Or Gary Sue?

Anyway, io9 demands people stop spreading nonsense that Rey is one:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/please-stop-spreading-this-nonsense-that-rey-from-star-1749134275

What the “Mary Sue” thing shows—other than that people will find any craptastic excuse to tear down female characters—is that memes have a decay rate. After a while, they wear out and you gotta find new ones. Fan culture is good at putting its finger on that one thing that’s bugging us at this one specific moment, but then absolutely terrible at generalizing and extrapolating, until you reach the heat death of criticism: total loss of information. This is a failure mode of fan culture, and it’s something to watch out for.

[Shadow Mod]

I think Marty Sue is used for guys? Or Gary Sue?

Anyway, io9 demands people stop spreading nonsense that Rey is one:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/please-stop-spreading-this-nonsense-that-rey-from-star-1749134275

Marty Stu

[headwalk]

her development is pretty different to luke's. luke was just a whiny tagalong who everyone talked down to until he hit the death star. the sum total of his force abilities is swinging across a bridge and making a lucky shot on an exhaust port.

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Naw.You're comparing her to ANH Luke. It's pretty clear from the story she's familiar with the force, or has been previously trained. Likely by Luke. Also, Luke wasn't an experienced fighter. She is. There's a lot of things at work here, but she's more like early ESB Luke more than anything: a semi-trained fighter who has no idea what they're doing who is now embarking on an adventure as a Jedi Apprentice from the wise old sage.

[benjipwns]

She's been trained in combat of some kind, but that io9 piece makes the argument that she's copying Kylo's moves combined with her other combat training, and I think there's a reasonable argument there.

Can we just go ahead and assume she's Luke's daughter too?

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I like the theory she's a Kenobi. Her being Luke's daughter is too obvious and feels like a red herring.

[Shadow Mod]

Kenobi from the OT right, Kenobi from the prequels would definitely not sex anyone...

[benjipwns]

Kenobi from the OT right, Kenobi from the prequels would definitely not sex anyone...

What do you think he was doing during all those years in self-exile between the PT and OT?

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There's 19 years between Sith and New Hope. Plenty of time to fuck, get a woman pregnant, especially if your religion is all but died out. No reason to be a celebate catholic priest if there are only two other Catholic Priests in the galaxy.

[benjipwns]

TFA Visual Dictionary says "19-year-old Rey"

aww couldn't be Kenobi's

Kylo is a celebration baby though:

Kylo Ren's BFF ‏@jimwade Dec 19
Hey @pablohidalgo do we have any idea what Kylo's age is in TFA? Around 30?

Pablo Hidalgo @pablohidalgo
@jimwade around there. 29-30.

[Human Snorenado]

Could be Kenobi's granddaughter, but my money is on Luke's daughter.

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Yeah I think she's Kenobi's grand kid. Not his actual kid.

[Human Snorenado]

or or or... SHE COULD BE A VIRGIN MIDICHLORIAN BIRTH YOU GUYS!

[benjipwns]

Put the "Christ" back in Star Wars!

[Tasty]

or or or... SHE COULD BE A VIRGIN MIDICHLORIAN BIRTH YOU GUYS!

Going rumor is Snoke is Darth Plagueis so...

#ITSALLCONNECTED

#POETRY

[mormapope]

Has anyone in the Yoda creature species been a sith lord?

Seeing a little evil bro with sith attire and a badass mask would be really fucking cool.

[benjipwns]

Yoda's species was never even supposed to be revealed in the EU per Lucas' edict.

I don't know if there were even any appearances of non-Yoda of his species.

Going rumor is Snoke is Darth Plagueis so...

#ITSALLCONNECTED

#POETRY

Wasn't Palpatine lying about his power though?

Palpatine is my favorite part of the Prequel Trilogy despite being a human. I wonder if there's a supercut of just all his scenes.

[G The Resurrected]

I don't know if there were even any appearances of non-Yoda of his species.

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[VomKriege]

To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.

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To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.

Link

[VomKriege]

In french so of limited use here. Expect english worded delusions to be readily available soon.

[headwalk]

or or or... SHE COULD BE A VIRGIN MIDICHLORIAN BIRTH YOU GUYS!

midichlorian is a problematic word. please use the phrase "force sensitivity" now, shitlord.

[Rufus]

To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.

Is that the one where they point to her staff as an analogy for black cock?

[Am_I_Anonymous]

To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.

Is that the one where they point to her staff as an analogy for black cock?

[Rufus]

To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.

Is that the one where they point to her staff as an analogy for black cock?

I can't find the hilarious conspiracy.jpgs any more. Only thing I can find are references to the anti-white accusations on Twitter and assorted racist blog I won't link to.

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So is this whole thing tied to some weird phallic inferiority complex?

[Rufus]

Google "white genocide" and "anti-white" in relation to Star Wars.

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I'm already a taco. You're a Lakers fan. I win.

[fistfulofmetal]

The thing that stuck out the most for me in the movie is how it tells a story about how a group of kids (basically) are saddled with the drama and baggage left over from their parents and constantly realize they are mostly ill equipped with dealing with it.

[Mupepe]

The thing that stuck out the most for me in the movie is how it tells a story about how a group of kids (basically) are saddled with the drama and baggage left over from their parents and constantly realize they are mostly ill equipped with dealing with it.

A libertarian tale of revolt that's a metaphor for the national debt.  Makes sense.

[Great Rumbler]

Since everybody else posted their Star Wars rankings earlier:

Empire Strikes Back > The Force Awakens > A New Hope > Return of the Jedi >>> Revenge of the Sith > The Phantom Menace > Holiday Special >>>>>>>>>> Attack of the Clones

Need to watch The Force Awakens at least a few more times, though.

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Empires Strikes Back > Return of the Jedi > The Force Awakens > A New Hope > the Ewok movies > everything else

[Great Rumbler]

TFA is only better than ANH if you don't adjust for effects inflation.

ANH blows TFA away from a storytelling perspective.

That's just my gut reaction after watching it once on the big screen. Like I said, I'll need to watch it a few more times before I can give it a truly accurate ranking.

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TFA blows ANH away in character interaction (and development). So what?

[headwalk]

depends how you like your character interaction. classical storytelling or joss whedon quip jabbering.

parsecs!

[Boogie]

Empire>ANH>=Jedi>TFA.

[Positive Touch]

depends how you like your character interaction. classical storytelling or joss whedon quip jabbering.

parsecs!

"classical storytelling" good lord be more butthurt

[helios]

I wasn't really invested in the Rey and Finn characters. I didn't care about them all that much. Overall the movie is a solid C.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Anyway all. A moment please




RIP in peace my nicca....

[headwalk]

decent article if you can get past the inflammatory title, sums up a lot of my issues: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-force-awakens-is-the-least-interesting-star-wars-yet

Lucas was derided and mocked for the new elements he introduced into his own saga in the prequels—but it was ultimately his lack of skill with directing, something he’s well aware of himself—that doomed those films. Without Lucas in the room, Abrams remade Star Wars. And that’s bad news for a sci-fi market that’s cozily embracing self-referentiality, sequel madness, and shared universe economies of scale.

spoilers obviously.

[TakingBackSunday]

 

[Human Snorenado]

The prequels are 100% garbage. Not sure why people point to them as anything other.

Well, maybe this, which came up in a discussion the other day with someone: this movie (TFA) feels "small" in comparison to the original trilogy, and even the prequels. It doesn't really feel like a grand, galaxy spanning adventure. I know this is a minor quibble, but the starkiller blast that everyone sees from planetside would mean that the planets blown up were in the same system as the planet Maz's cantina is on.

Anyway, that's a specific nitpick, but his point was that it doesn't seem like a galaxy romping adventure. Everything happens very quickly and without much sense of scale. I feel those are valid criticisms. Pointing to the prequels to make that point, though...

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I think what gives off that feeling is the amount of planet hopping. They go from Jakku to Maz's planet to the Star Killer planet. But really this is no different past movies. In Empire, Luke goes from Hoth to Dagobah to Bespin. Luke finds out his friends are going to be in trouble and ends up there in no time flat and barely just missed Han being carbonated. In Jedi, he says he'll meet up the Rebel fleet after heading to Dagobah. He goes to Yoda, talks to Yoda as he died, and gets to the Rebel Death Star mission briefing before it even ends.

The Star Wars universe has never felt large. And TFA's Galaxy feels same in scope as any other Star Wars movie. It's a valid criticism but it's a criticism that also can be applied to the original trilogy. Star Wars, for all of its strengths has never felt large or epic outside of the Battle of Endor/Death Star II but it's not something you're going to think about as a kid. "Oh hey, Luke went to Dagobah and back in 30 minutes, the concept of time in these movies is stupid" isn't something you're thinking when you're 11 years and watching it for the first time, but it sure will be when you're in your thirties and much more critical and aware.

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Star Wars starts with two droids escaping a freighter: their goal, find Obi wan. The escape pods  just happen to  land on Tatooine, where Obi Wan lives. Where they just happen to be bought by Luke. Who just happens to know Obi Wan. Who just happens to be a former Jedi Knight and best friends with Luke's father. But not before just accidentally happening upon the Death Star in search for the princess who just happens to be on it. Who just happens to be Luke's sister, as Obi Wan squares off in a dual with Darth Vader, who just happens to be Luke's father.

Yet this is a large universe? Since when? This is what I meant when I said it feels like a lot of Star Wars fans watch these movies with really, really weird perspectives of expectations on a space movie filled with destiny and coincidences.

Star Wars has always been small and convenient as fuck. This isn't Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Have most Star Wars fans even seen Hidden Fortress? One coincidence after the next. Two war vets randomly find gold and a legendary samurai and a princess and caught up in a tale of death and gold and adventure.

Star Wars? Large and epic? Since when? :

[Shadow Mod]

The prequels issues all stemmed from a story that was literally "Palpatine creates a crisis and plays both sides to get shit he wants" but written in the most horribly convoluted and boring way possible.

[Mandark]

Watched ANH recently after not having seen it for years, and it was striking how few ships were involved in the assault on the Death Star.  That was some season 1 Game of Thrones shit.

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Watched ANH recently after not having seen it for years, and it was striking how few ships were involved in the assault on the Death Star.  That was some season 1 Game of Thrones shit.

Yeah it's shocking. Then watch the Death Star II battle. It's night and day how the tech improved in a few short years.

[Great Rumbler]

Watched ANH recently after not having seen it for years, and it was striking how few ships were involved in the assault on the Death Star.  That was some season 1 Game of Thrones shit.

It's pretty crazy to consider that people were completely blown away by those scenes in 1977, and that nothing else in Hollywood had even come close.

[chronovore]

https://twitter.com/kylor3n

Emo Kylo Ren twitter. Gold (or possibly "the new black").

[Steve Youngblood]

Watched ANH recently after not having seen it for years, and it was striking how few ships were involved in the assault on the Death Star.  That was some season 1 Game of Thrones shit.

Heh. I actually had the same reaction. What was so surprising about it was not that special effects limitations back then dictated that you'd only see so many ships, but that I believe the empire acknowledges that the rebels are attacking with only 30 ships or something.

[demi]

This movie was 75% ass and 25% kickass

[demi]

I'm just gonna go play Jedi Knight trilogy instead. Kyle Katarn >

[pilonv1]

SPOILER: HAN DIES

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In The Fast & The Furious movies.

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Bork prophet total

[headwalk]

This movie was 75% ass and 25% kickass

haters gonna hate.

[headwalk]

This new timeline with a distinguished mentally-challenged New Republic which was so stupid it almost karmically deserved to get blown up makes me miss Timothy Zahn's version of this universe... though admittedly other authors wrecked it beyond all hope by the timeframe comparable to these movies.

i think the difference is that timothy zahn is a writer, not a pool of writers who have to send every idea up the line to get okay-ed by mickey mouse.