FALLOUT 4

[studyguy]

There's been a bad Fallout title.
Real bad. Interplay out there fucking the series in the ass.

[Himu]

said it before but fallout 3 was the first good bethesda game

[Human Snorenado]

There's been a bad Fallout title.
Real bad. Interplay out there fucking the series in the ass.

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I DON'T RATE THAT AT ALL

And yes, Himu. You're correct. Errybody just gotta deal with that.

[studyguy]

In all honesty, I have to give it up to Bethesda.

I remember the first time I saw a trailer for Fallout 3, I was blown away that someone was even picking up the series at all. Before then it was basically a blasted crater of an IP from the implosion of Black Isle/Interplay when Van Buren fucking failed. So I can't hate. I mean I can, and I will, but at least someone decided it was a flag worth carrying.



Also remember feggits calling it TES with guns.
Fuck those feggits, Fallout of old beat the shit out of TES of old.
I mean that is what it ended up being in the end, but whatev. Fallout brehs, glad its here. Same deal with XCOM.

[Tasty]

Not only that, but DC and Boston are like, 4 hours away by train.

Try like 7 on a good day.

[Kara]

Esch is in here acting like TES series isn't mostly garbage before Skyrim

N'wah please.

[Rufus]

You know what.
Oblivion was shit. I shouldn't pull punches.

Oblivion's quests > Morrowind's and Skyrim's

And you could craft OP spells and enchanted gear.

[El Babua]

Looks more or less how I expected. Hoping they step it up on the mechanics and quest design front.

As far as last gen Bethesda was concerned, Fallout 3 was probably their most solid effort. They spent too much time on Oblivion's tech so the world design ended up being generic medieval fantasy land with the most random smattering of dungeons ever, Skyrim had a better world but way worse quests. The main problem I had with Fallout was that the main story didn't have much of a buildup or climax to it and ended on a whimper. Questing, exploration and combat were all solid.

None of em compares to the GOAT Morrowind though. Missing at Mudcrabs point blank

[studyguy]

You know what.
Oblivion was shit. I shouldn't pull punches.

Oblivion's quests > Morrowind's and Skyrim's

And you could craft OP spells and enchanted gear.

There were no spells/enchants more OP than the ones you could create in Morrowind breh.
That's a fact

[Great Rumbler]

@ everybody not giving props to Shivering Isles

[D3RANG3D]

@ everybody not giving props to Shivering Isles

Shivering Isles, almost makes me question Morrowind as the TES GOAT. 

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Almost...

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[Rufus]

You know what.
Oblivion was shit. I shouldn't pull punches.

Oblivion's quests > Morrowind's and Skyrim's

And you could craft OP spells and enchanted gear.

There were no spells/enchants more OP than the ones you could create in Morrowind breh.
That's a fact

That's true, actually, but I had more fun crumpling every enemy with a paralyse dagger in Oblivion, because ragdolls.

[studyguy]

You know what fuck this TES talk.
This thread's about Fallout.

Wonder if they'll add what was supposed to have been added in Fallout 2.
A fucking car mount that you can shoot out of.


Mad Max shit.

[Rufus]

Think the world's going to be big enough for a car?

[Great Rumbler]

Think the world's going to be big enough for a car?

Unless the game is specifically built around having a car, it definitely won't be.

[Kara]

@ everybody not giving props to Shivering Isles

The closest thing to a Morrowind sequel we'll ever get.

[Himu]

___ People who will drop 100+ hours of their lives into it while going on at length about how awful it is

Nobody is out here making games in this style, large scale fully 3d interactive RPGs better than Bethesda. You can argue Obsidian one upped them on New Vegas, but I don't think it's conclusively better than Skyrim or Morrowind.

Naw, in terms of writing, role playing, questing it's easily better, and that's the bulk of what you're doing in these games.

[StealthFan]

Hating on Morrowind :scusthov:

I think FO4 looks dope. It sucks it won't have Obsidians writing but I'll get over it.

[Himu]

Esch, what factions mod for Skyrim you talking about? Skyrim's ability to allow you to join every faction or guild is a major flaw. Fuck you can do everything in one play through "role" play gaming.

[studyguy]

SUP YOU NOBODY taco, SO YOU WANNA BE A THIEF. GO KILL SOME RATS


Meanwhile you head over the the mage's guild two seconds later and you're the grand master poobah and they're singing your name to the gods.

[Himu]

Naw, in terms of writing, role playing, questing it's easily better, and that's the bulk of what you're doing in these games.

New Vegas is visual poverty even with mods though. Ugly fucking game. and the overworld is   I'll give it the quest writing but that's really it. Don't really even think the core gameplay is better than FO3 or Skyrim.

I'm mixed on FONV overworld. On one one hand it's not as memorable as 3's. But on the other hand, walking into a random town and seeing people on crosses. It does a lot right.

Also disagree heavily about looking bad with mods. The realistic lighting mod is

[Kara]

The first time you come across the Legion's handywork.

The first time a legionnaire speaks Latin with correctish but nonstandard in English pronunciation.

[Himu]

damn you're only reminding me of how awful that shit looked. it's crazy how you can tweak it up with ENB and texture packs and remove the shitfilter, max it and no matter what it still looks barely better than Call of Pripyat status.

One of the ugliest games of note from last gen. And the menus/UI to boot.


 

I meant to go with RWL.

I legit think the game is visually appealing with RWL. Funnilly, it looks exactly like FO4.

[Stoney Mason]

Cool. Always good to see a new Bethesda game if only for the modding opportunities. It's pretty clear where Bethesda's strengths and weaknesses lay at this point, so I tend to come in with the proper relative expectation levels at this point. I still think Skyrim was by far the best of their recent stuff so hopefully that trend continues.

[studyguy]

Nah, looks too lush for my tastes.

[Great Rumbler]

I loved Oblivion when it came out, probably dumped 200 hours into the 360 and PC versions combined. I don't feel any shame in saying that, or that I don't feel the need to retroactively hate it a decade later.

[toku]

I love how you can already see the jank and shit textures.

Cool. Always good to see a new Bethesda game if only for the modding opportunities. It's pretty clear where Bethesda's strengths and weaknesses lay at this point, so I tend to come in with the proper relative expectation levels at this point. I still think Skyrim was by far the best of their recent stuff so hopefully that trend continues.

Definitely.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Fallout 3 is the only Bethesda game I finished, great stuff.

Thought both Oblivion and Skyrim were boring.

[eleuin]

Those jank running animations 

Can't wait

[Yulwei]

Idk how you Morrowind stans do it. I really tried to give that game a fair shake, but after 2 or 3 hours of seeing nothing but brown I uninstalled the fuck out of it.

Oblivion and Skyrim were much, much better

[studyguy]

Idk how you Morrowind stans do it. I really tried to give that game a fair shake, but after 2 or 3 hours of seeing nothing but brown I uninstalled the fuck out of it.

Oblivion and Skyrim were much, much better

Lots of rosetint.
I give that game its due because at the time it was GOAT.
Oblivion at its height was still jank af in comparison.

Honestly I wouldn't go back and play either of them, but that doesn't mean one won't stack above the other in my mind.

On the whole I find Fallout 2 completely playable. People now will probably think it's a piece of shit tho. My girl loves that Fallout shit and she tried it but was like

[fizzel]

Hating the original fallouts? cunt punt.

[studyguy]

I don't blame people if they don't like the originals.
It's another era that requires little work to get into a decent state, especially with 1. I mean GOG adapted it so you can play it straight up, it works fine for me but I mean I'm sure there's dudes out there who are mad that it ain't Bethesda jank.

[Human Snorenado]

Original Fallouts were good games. What sucked were the people who played them as nonviolent talker wankers.

[Himu]

Playing old Fallout's now is like trying to put a round peg in a square hole. It's rare that crpgs of that era are actually good today. Games like Diablo, Baldur's Gate, Planescape are some of the few, but when I loaded up Fallout 1 a few years back, its controls were now atrocious. Diablo or Infinity Engine or

Maybe Fallout 2 has better controls.

[studyguy]

Playing old Fallout's now is like trying to put a round peg in a square hole. It's rare that crpgs of that era are actually good today. Games like Diablo, Baldur's Gate, Planescape are some of the few, but when I loaded up Fallout 1 a few years back, its controls were now atrocious. Diablo or Infinity Engine or

Maybe Fallout 2 has better controls.

Fallout 2 mechanically makes sense.
Which is more than I can say for a lot of old CRPGs. Lot of CRPGs were just products of their time.
No one out there at the time looking for 4k display support, multi button mouse or all the other shit we take for granted now.

[Himu]

Playing old Fallout's now is like trying to put a round peg in a square hole. It's rare that crpgs of that era are actually good today. Games like Diablo, Baldur's Gate, Planescape are some of the few, but when I loaded up Fallout 1 a few years back, its controls were now atrocious. Diablo or Infinity Engine or

Maybe Fallout 2 has better controls.

Fallout 2 mechanically makes sense.
Which is more than I can say for a lot of old CRPGs. Lot of CRPGs were just products of their time.
No one out there at the time looking for 4k display support, multi button mouse or all the other shit we take for granted now.

It truly makes BG2 being the GOAT crpg a pretty easy case, sad to say. Not much competition.

[studyguy]

I fucking hate the AD&D rules but otherwise yeah.
BG2 that GOAT CRPG. Pillars has been great too.
Blessed time to live in where devs are giving CRPGs their due again.

[Himu]

That's probably one of the better blessings of the modern crpg resurgence: the realization that many crpgs people put on pedestals really aren't even that good now and the modern games are much better in terms of functionality, mechanics, UI, and controls across the board. Haven't touched Pillars yet because I still have to put more work into Divinity: Original Sin when I've got the time.

[Great Rumbler]

I beat Fallout 1 a couple years back, thought it held up fairly well. Combat got bogged down at times because of the way it handles turns, but that was probably the only thing I really had any issue with. Never did finish Fallout 2.

[Kara]

Idk how you Morrowind stans do it. I really tried to give that game a fair shake, but after 2 or 3 hours of seeing nothing but brown I uninstalled the fuck out of it.

Oblivion and Skyrim were much, much better

Pfft, you could have gotten to Red Mountain and seen some real hot brown action if you played more.

[Timber]

Last week I tried playing Fallout 2 again, which is a game I really love, but gave up after a couple of hours. 28% chance to hit in a tutorial dungeon   

[studyguy]

Last week I tried playing Fallout 2 again, which is a game I really love, but gave up after a couple of hours. 28% chance to hit in a tutorial dungeon   

PE/AGI all the fucking way
Look at me, I'm shooting all you fucks with 100% accuracy in the dick twice before you get a shot off.

[Kara]

The days when wRPGs punished you for being bad at crunch.

[Timber]

It was my "if only you could talk to the monsters" moment

[toku]

Nothing like bringing slashing weapons to a skeletal fight like some scrub.

[Timber]

Anyway, can't wait for the X360 version of F4.

[Timber]

I did some dumb sleuthing based on dumb rumours and leaks, and I'm fairly certain this is for an upcoming Fallout spinoff game by Behaviour

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/51279318?trk=biz_company_feed_mapper-job-post

Fallout multiplayer shootbang

[Cerveza mas fina]

Original Fallouts are super playable. Just my 2 cents

[chronovore]

Those jank running animations 

Can't wait

I only tried 3rd person perspective one time, and it was inside a building; it was so comically bad that I died from something attacking me while I was laughing.

Even so:

[brawndolicious]

First thing I saw was that you can see outside of windows and door which suggests no loading times every time you open a door. If that's not considered a huge upgrade then I don't know what is.

Everything else looks okay but the last few Bethesda games always struggled in poly counts, textures, animation, everything your eyes can see really besides draw distance and loot strewn about every room. Could not start giving a shit now.

[Rufus]

First thing I saw was that you can see outside of windows and door which suggests no loading times every time you open a door. If that's not considered a huge upgrade then I don't know what is.

That makes such a gigantic difference to how a world feels, it's incredible.

[Yulwei]

I really hope they worked on the gunplay. It felt like shit in FO3

[Steve Contra]

I'll play this, but knowing it comes from the lesser Fallout dev last gen

[Himu]

I'll play this, but knowing it comes from the lesser Fallout dev last gen

I really hope they don't Skyrim it, but it's likely they will for accessibility. It would be a travesty for them to take NV's faction system and multiple endings and make it so that you can choose every faction in the game ala Skyrim. I'm also worried about the writing coming off of NV. I mean, I love Fallout 3, but it does a lot that just makes it...not seem like Fallout? Like a town that has a radiated bomb in the middle of it and only has two Brahmin to supply this large ass city. Stuff like that. I really hope they hired experienced Fallout writers this time.

[Take My Breh Away]

NV was so good since the narrative and gameplay opened itself up for mod integration so well. Bounty hunting in the wasteland

Only problem is the well made mods had even worse voice acting and scripting. I never ever want to hear an American try pronounce "Twat" again never mind the big C

[Himu]

Not to mention the sheer amount of freedom in NV.

Most plotlines have 3-5 ways of solving them like in the Fallout of old.

Name me one modern wrpg besides NV that offers this many dialogue options and almost every options allowing a different result.

I initially liked FO3 more because of the world, but I eventually realized NV's more linear beginnings - and you even get plenty of options during that too - were just there to ease the player into the world before letting the kiddie wheels off and it works in spades.

New Vegas

Another thing I love about NV is that it makes me role play for some reason. Like, in FO3, I'd just do whatever because the game has few if any boundaries. So I'd kill people and rarely talk and shit, and you really don't have any options BUT to do everything. But NV, I'd role play as this survivalist courier fuck who by very necessity of the job mostly ran away from fights with humans but killed animals in the wild for their meat, and would use killing a last option only. My character would have a code, and with a 100 in speech, would manipulate people into situations. Not a complete pacifist but also not a complete psycho who kills everything, either. Plus, in FO3, unless something was inside someone's house, you couldn't steal. Go anywhere in NV, and almost anything you take is someone's possession, so you're going to be stealing A LOT in NV. More realistic balancing of morality? Compare to FO3, and that's kinda impossible. Is there any way to get out of the Vault withOUT killing people? I don't think there really is.

NEW VEGAS

[Positive Touch]

where are all these quests in nv because I searched everywhere south of the city and there was barely shit to do

[fizzel]

[Freyj]

where are all these quests in nv because I searched everywhere south of the city and there was barely shit to do

There's quests to do in Primm, Novac, the town that the Legion ravaged, but (as mentioned above) the game is intended to be a slow introduction pretty much until you hit the strip. You follow the road south and then back north along the way to the strip, checking out the towns and nearby markers. It's a better crafted experience to me than the way it's handled in FO3 (aka, "here's the world, go check out Megaton maybe but do whatever you want I guess").

Also, Old World Blues .