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Re: Bethesda Pre-E3 Showcase [Fallout 4 on November 10]
« Reply #120 on: June 15, 2015, 01:24:09 AM »
The only doom is BRUTAL DOOM

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Re: Bethesda Pre-E3 Showcase [Fallout 4 on November 10]
« Reply #121 on: June 15, 2015, 01:25:02 AM »
Obsidian was behind New Vegas, Beth writing is like a fart in the wind compared to it.
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Re: Bethesda Pre-E3 Showcase [Fallout 4 on November 10]
« Reply #122 on: June 15, 2015, 01:27:42 AM »
half those new vegas quests were, like, passing a single speech check. somehow with 4 loading screens.
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Re: Bethesda Pre-E3 Showcase [Fallout 4 on November 10]
« Reply #123 on: June 15, 2015, 01:28:27 AM »
As a role player, I think I'm just going to wait it out, wait till the game loses steam and hype, then see how people feel about it. As good as it looks, there's too many variables that could make for a much worse game for what I want from fallout. Which is fine, a part of my apprehension towards 4 to begin with was that I highly doubt it'll top New Vegas. I realize now that I'm not really the target audience here and I'm fine with that. I have alternatives like Witcher 3.

When it comes to what dialog choices will be provided, I can only see three or four "main" role playing narratives for the player character.

A. Attempting to make the world like it once was, peaceful suburbia, normalized civilization. The quest to reclaim the past.

B. "Fuck it" attitude. You despise what life has become, all the things you lost. You'll be a huge, evil asshole that wants to ruin the world your own way.

C. Neither of those attitudes apply, you want to do your own thing for the benefit of yourself and maybe some others. You don't want to fix or ruin the world, you just want to make it better for yourself.

New Vegas has a lot of ambiguity when it comes to your role in the Wasteland and the roles of others. I don't see that ambiguity coming back at all.


It's highly likely the game will already be a downgraded experience. A large part of text onlys charm is, well, you can you make a low intelligence character and you can do this.




In New Vegas, dialogue is made according to your personality and stats and varies wildly. This variety will likely be impossible to replicate with voices.

Will a low intelligence character in Fallout 4 talk like they're stupid? Doubt it. Fallout is a game series about taking a character and creating their story. Most RPGs with voice acting are less about crafting the players story through role playing and more about bending the main characters personality. For example, Shepard will always be Shepard no matter what responses you pick. But in Fallout you craft a character from scratch and create the personality you want. Voice acting for the PC has no place in Fallout. They could have made 4 be more about player interaction, but it seems they've sacrificed that for more storytelling, which isn't surprising given Skyrim.

Like most games today, passing on it and seeing what people think of it months later seems to be the way to go.
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Re: Bethesda Pre-E3 Showcase [Fallout 4 on November 10]
« Reply #124 on: June 15, 2015, 01:29:10 AM »
I can't blame anyone for finding the violence in 2015 Doom too much, its a huge step up (or down) in the gore department. My parents didn't give a shit about me playing MK as a kid, but I don't think they would be as lenient if I were a five year old trying to play MKX. Not gonna go as far as to say anyone who's excited for Doom is a psycho, but I'm glad they're saying it. I'm sure KiA is in flames right now.


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« Reply #125 on: June 15, 2015, 01:38:09 AM »
Seriously, saying MK1 or 2 has the same amount of gore as 10 is kinda...out there.
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« Reply #126 on: June 15, 2015, 01:42:22 AM »
Graphics have gotten better and more realistic. Ripping somebody's head off is ripping somebody's head off. The only reason they didn't do the fatalities of now versus then is they didn't have the animation capabilities, the resolution, or the storage back then. It would be nice when people talk about violence in videogames if they backed up their talk with any actual science or studies or anything. Other than I'm offended by something so therefore it must be awful.

You perceive it as "catoony" because the graphics suck in comparison. The same way shitty special effects from the past in movies seem cartoony. But that was never the intention. They were always doing the best they could within the limitations they had.


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« Reply #127 on: June 15, 2015, 01:44:44 AM »
$10 says you and your family get in, you get knocked out and go into a coma.
They put you in cryosleep or some shit while things go south.
Your wife and kid are gone, you gotta find them.

This is bethesda writing brehs. This is basically gonna be the flip side of Fallout 3, instead you're the parent looking for the kid or someshit.

Nah, they were pretty clear that you play as the kid. Your parents are deeaaaaaaad.
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« Reply #128 on: June 15, 2015, 01:46:20 AM »
I'd argue gore and violence depiction has been made more vivid in mainstream games, but there have always been gruesome or fucked up games with vivid depiction. Phantasmagoria came out in the mid 90's and it still has really disgusting stuff. Postal 1 came out in 97 and the last level involves bombing a elementary school.



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Re: Bethesda Pre-E3 Showcase [Fallout 4 on November 10]
« Reply #129 on: June 15, 2015, 01:48:06 AM »
The only doom is BRUTAL DOOM

Eh, throw in Doom 1 and 2, Master Levels. I'll agree with these.

I don't mind Doom 3, but I don't need a Doom 3-2 that Doom 4 is pretty much attempting to be, just now without the darkness that Carmack was attempting to use for atmosphere. Screw that.

Also, the player character's backstory is easy as fuck to guess.

You get blown the fuck up, but survive as a wrangled ghoul. A team of people or doctors rescue you a bit after the fallout/war and experiment on you to de-ghoul you, to provide a cure for people that become ghouls. Eventually you're close to being cured and get put into some sort of goo chamber that will finish up the process/let you heal from all the experimentation.

Vault drama happens and you're the only survivor left in the fault. You come out of the goo tube, find ambiguous logs and records of what happened. Something is left behind telling you where to go after the vault is opened, starting the main quest of the game.

You know, this is somewhat sad that it's probably the writing Beth is going to do.

Anyway, I said it before and it needs repeating: I don't get the hype for Fallout 4. It's going to be an Elderscroll's mod just with guns instead of actual roleplaying.

"But New--"

I haven't played New Vegas, granted--and yes, I need to. But that's Obsidian, not Beth. And I doubt Obsidian was able to change the gameplay systems to all S.P.E.C.I.A.L. to be used as an actual roleplay. Maybe it does, but if Beth doesn't actually have that in as anything more than lip-service: :trash to the entire Fallout 4 hype people. You guys should just work on putting the "VATS" system and guns into the Elderscroll's proper and save ya'llself's $60.

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« Reply #130 on: June 15, 2015, 01:48:51 AM »
Nah, they were pretty clear that you play as the kid. Your parents are deeaaaaaaad.

I think the Todd Howard dude said "I'm not going to spoil it, but the main character survives the blast and awakens 200 years later."

Paraphrased of course. Also, the main character is in shock and awe that he's been away for 200 years, the robot also recognized him immediately.


EDIT: In the end it doesn't matter though. The fam is gone and dead.
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Re: Bethesda Pre-E3 Showcase [Fallout 4 on November 10]
« Reply #131 on: June 15, 2015, 01:51:47 AM »
I'd argue gore and violence depiction has been made more vivid in mainstream games,

I'd argue everything graphically has been made more vivid. Whether its lighting. Whether its textures. Whether its violence. The argument that things are vividly violent is correct. Because everything graphically is more vivid and photo-real. But it comes down to intentions and character and tone. In GTA 5 there are mission types where you purposely run around and kill gangbangers, army members, hipsters, etc. I honestly don't see a lick of different between that and Doom or some of the heinous stuff you did in prior GTA's except it looks better.

If this was Hatred I guess, I would understand the argument. Because the tone and intention of that clearly seems so at odds with satire, or irony, or even bad-assery as the mainstream has come to know it.

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Re: Bethesda Pre-E3 Showcase [Fallout 4 on November 10]
« Reply #132 on: June 15, 2015, 01:54:53 AM »
This is the only real Doom:

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« Reply #133 on: June 15, 2015, 01:56:24 AM »
Graphics have gotten better and more realistic. Ripping somebody's head off is ripping somebody's head off. The only reason they didn't do the fatalities of now versus then is they didn't have the animation capabilities, the resolution, or the storage back then. It would be nice when people talk about violence in videogames if they backed up their talk with any actual science or studies or anything. Other than I'm offended by something so therefore it must be awful.

I'm not offended at all. It's fucking Doom. Doesn't mean I can't think it's fucking gross.

They may not have had the storage back then but that doesn't stop the fact that my parent bought and let me play Mortal Kombat. I doubt they'd do the same with MKX. Realistic graphics means something. When GTAIV came out I felt bad when I killed npcs. You ask for studies when it's pretty clear that the more realistic graphics are the easier it is to create empathy despite being a game.

http://venturebeat.com/community/2013/04/22/on-empathy-and-realism-in-video-games/
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Re: Bethesda Pre-E3 Showcase [Fallout 4 on November 10]
« Reply #134 on: June 15, 2015, 01:57:27 AM »
I just downloaded Zandronum+DoomSeeker and played a solid hour of co-op Brutal Doom

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« Reply #135 on: June 15, 2015, 01:57:57 AM »
Doom isn't gross; let's be real here, it's not like we're talking about a crime against nature on the level of The Sims or anything.
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« Reply #136 on: June 15, 2015, 02:03:29 AM »
Having played Hatred, I've felt much worse for doing things to other NPCs in other games of all kinds. The hate Hatred initially got ended up being unfounded. Its a boring game with a videogamey as fuck depiction of mass shootings.

For example, you enter a vacation lodge and start blasting people. One NPC says "That guy is crazy!", while just standing there. Other NPCs yell "he's got a gun" or "I'm getting out of here!"

Terribad dialog with no genuine umph or levity. Combine that with the concept of making a mass shooting a chore, and you have a mediocre game that's shocking for ten seconds.

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« Reply #137 on: June 15, 2015, 02:04:51 AM »
I'm not offended at all. It's fucking Doom. Doesn't mean I can't think it's fucking gross.


Point made. We all think something is gross individually. Unless there is a larger point to be made, I'm not sure where to go with it then unless we specially want to bring this argument to all games instead of cherry-picking a small segment of videogames.

There are lots of things that offend me or I don't agree with. I don't know what the argument is though other than whether you think 10 year old you should be playing Mortal Kombat 10. I'm fine with saying 10 year old you shouldn't be playing MK 1 or MK 10 and ripping people's heads off. 10 year old you probably also shouldn't watch John Wick. Or a do a lot of things. I'm fine with that.

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« Reply #138 on: June 15, 2015, 02:24:57 AM »
RE: Doom: people (see: paid audience members) cheer for every announcement and big action moment in these conferences. Not addressing the level of violence, but she's inventing outrage for the sake of her argument.

As for the town building: I really hope we get better options than "ruined tin shacks". There's quite enough of that to see in the Wasteland.

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« Reply #139 on: June 15, 2015, 02:59:56 AM »
Fuck yes, DOOM!

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« Reply #140 on: June 15, 2015, 03:25:24 AM »
It would be nice when people talk about violence in videogames if they backed up their talk with any actual science or studies or anything. Other than I'm offended by something so therefore it must be awful.

To my knowledge there are no comprehensive studies on this subject (unless you want to really extrapolate from childhood development studies), so you're just cutting off potentially reasoned thought by demanding this.

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« Reply #141 on: June 15, 2015, 06:27:26 AM »
Go back and read some original reviews of the first Friday the 13th movie, or Halloween, My Bloody Valentine, etc. You'll see a lot of similar sentiments expressed there, lots of "people were laughing and cheering at murder" and "I fear for the future" hand-wringing. Yet here we all are, still an intact society 35 years later, where you can watch any of those movies uncut on television and they seem tame in comparison to an average episode of Hannibal or Walking Dead. We didn't devolve into packs of cannibalistic rape raiders, and progress didn't stop. No matter what time period, there's always someone on the street corner wearing their "The End Is Nigh" placard and loudly proclaiming their outrage. Same old shit, different clothes and hairstyles. Meanwhile, the rest of the world carries on, as always.
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« Reply #143 on: June 15, 2015, 09:03:14 AM »
Go back and read some original reviews of the first Friday the 13th movie, or Halloween, My Bloody Valentine, etc. You'll see a lot of similar sentiments expressed there, lots of "people were laughing and cheering at murder" and "I fear for the future" hand-wringing. Yet here we all are, still an intact society 35 years later, where you can watch any of those movies uncut on television and they seem tame in comparison to an average episode of Hannibal or Walking Dead. We didn't devolve into packs of cannibalistic rape raiders, and progress didn't stop. No matter what time period, there's always someone on the street corner wearing their "The End Is Nigh" placard and loudly proclaiming their outrage. Same old shit, different clothes and hairstyles. Meanwhile, the rest of the world carries on, as always.

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Re: Bethesda Pre-E3 Showcase [Fallout 4 on November 10]
« Reply #144 on: June 15, 2015, 09:29:57 AM »
I liked Fallout 3 and New Vegas, maybe New Vegas a bit more after the great expansion content.

Can't believe Fallout 4 is arriving this year. I hope they have some kind of hardcore/survival mode built in, but if not mods will solve everything.

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« Reply #145 on: June 15, 2015, 06:59:27 PM »
that fucking pip boy edition is already sold out everywhere :beli

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« Reply #146 on: June 15, 2015, 07:21:10 PM »
Goddamnit, I was waiting until I got paid on Weds

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« Reply #147 on: June 15, 2015, 07:52:30 PM »
Seeing the Fallout stuff has made me want to play fallout. I was going to play Fallout 3 but having some issues getting it running. Not sure if its a windows 10 issue or just a my computer issue so I installed New Vegas instead which seems to work.

Added these mods and followed this guide

http://wiki.step-project.com/User:EssArrBee/FalloutNewVegas

although its crazy to me that it seems to run worse than a heavily modded version of Skyrim does on my computer.
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« Reply #148 on: June 15, 2015, 07:57:00 PM »
Never underestimate Obsidian's ability to break games, Stoney. NEVER.
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« Reply #149 on: June 15, 2015, 09:12:59 PM »
Never underestimate Obsidian's ability to break games, Stoney. NEVER.

Maybe Bethesda should have put more effort into Q&A. :hitler

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Re: Bethesda Pre-E3 Showcase [Fallout 4 on November 10]
« Reply #150 on: June 15, 2015, 09:14:05 PM »
Fallout NV is more stable than 3, don't listen to Triumph
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« Reply #151 on: June 15, 2015, 09:14:32 PM »
untrue, shit stuttered like porky pig at release
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« Reply #152 on: June 20, 2015, 08:54:00 PM »
Seeing the Fallout stuff has made me want to play fallout. I was going to play Fallout 3 but having some issues getting it running. Not sure if its a windows 10 issue or just a my computer issue so I installed New Vegas instead which seems to work.

Added these mods and followed this guide

http://wiki.step-project.com/User:EssArrBee/FalloutNewVegas

although its crazy to me that it seems to run worse than a heavily modded version of Skyrim does on my computer.

Stoney you still having problems with Fallout 3? Is it the Steam GoTY? If so, it could be a GFWL problem - this worked for me to remove it.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout3/mods/1086/?tab=2&navtag=%2Fajax%2Fmodfiles%2F%3Fid%3D1086&pUp=1
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« Reply #153 on: June 20, 2015, 09:17:26 PM »
Thx. I've already started the New Vegas playthrough but I'll come back and try this afterwards.

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« Reply #154 on: June 20, 2015, 09:47:29 PM »
No prob. Just had to help my brother fix his install. Make sure to set your default resolution in the launcher so F3 will creat a .ini file first then the patcher should work.
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« Reply #155 on: June 20, 2015, 10:21:31 PM »
untrue, shit stuttered like porky pig at release

at release. wasn't talking about at release. right now? it's more stable.
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« Reply #156 on: June 20, 2015, 10:25:18 PM »
true, gfwl and bethesda generally not giving a fuck about updating their shit means you have to put in some work to get FO3 running proper
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« Reply #157 on: June 20, 2015, 10:45:34 PM »
NV doesn't have GFWL so it's another bonus point. Thankfully GFWL is pretty much dead.
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« Reply #158 on: June 20, 2015, 10:57:20 PM »
I've played about 40 hours of FO3 in the last 2 weeks and I would bet any amount of money that I crash at least once, maybe twice within an hour of playing it.

Much worse than NV.

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