Author Topic: EVO 2015 (Read 56306 times)

Himu · « **Reply #120 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:23:36 PM »

this ain't my thang. I mean, it's ok but not that fun to watch.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #121 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:32:05 PM »

Jigglypuff

Himu · « **Reply #122 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:32:44 PM »

When's Street Fighter?

mormapope · « **Reply #123 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:45:21 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 06:48:31 PM

How is MvC3 top play? Haven't played that game in years. The Ultimate MvC3 thing pissed me off and I dropped that game like a rock.

Why?

A digital upgrade should've been there, but added characters in a fighter is always a good thing. MVC3 needed the SF4 treatment when it came to balancing and adding new characters in every year or every other year.

bork · « **Reply #124 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:56:36 PM »

SF should be pretty soon. Marvel goes waaaaaay faster than Smash. SF4 is scheduled for 9:30 PM EST since they'll have a presentation before the matches start...revealing the next SFV character. But it could be earlier at the rate this is going.

Quote from: mormapope on July 19, 2015, 07:45:21 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 06:48:31 PM
How is MvC3 top play? Haven't played that game in years. The Ultimate MvC3 thing pissed me off and I dropped that game like a rock.

Why?

A digital upgrade should've been there, but added characters in a fighter is always a good thing. MVC3 needed the SF4 treatment when it came to balancing and adding new characters in every year or every other year.

They promised no new discs and all DLC updates, IIRC, then dropped Ultimate like nine months later. Himu isn't the only one who felt this way. I know a number of people who felt ripped off and stopped playing after that. Some say that the reason this happened is because the 2013 earthquake fucked up production and they rushed to get out the update, but that makes no sense to me. Wouldn't it be easier to get DLC out than getting a disc produced?

Anyway, the biggest problem with Marvel is Marvel. They made it hard for Capcom to balance the game, add new characters, and even get characters colors set up. And now with the license gone, nothing can be done. I really hope that after SFV, Capcom releases a new Vs. game that's either all Capcom characters or with a license whose company will allow for a better game.

mormapope · « **Reply #125 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:59:15 PM »

DAMN

Dat composure, slapping Phoenix down

Himu · « **Reply #126 on:** July 19, 2015, 07:59:56 PM »

Didn't they announce Ultimate like a mere month shy after MVC3 even came out? I don't remember if that was the SFxT debacle or the Ultimate MVC3 one.

Himu · « **Reply #127 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:03:30 PM »

Yeahhhhh, fuck Marvel. They're owned by Disney which makes things even worse and limited.

Video game based:

Sega vs Capcom - Sega needs the boost
Namco vs Capcom - sounds excellent
Square Enix vs Capcom - another excellent idea

mormapope · « **Reply #128 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:04:57 PM »

Capcom Vs. Sega would be pretty rad. Sega characters have so much range that making that game would be self explanatory.

Dante/Vergil/Lady versus Bayonetta, Jeanne, and Rodin?

Huff · « **Reply #129 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:05:00 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 08:03:30 PM

Sega vs Capcom - Sega needs the boost
Namco vs Capcom - sounds excellent
Square Enix vs Capcom - another excellent idea

Himu · « **Reply #130 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:07:05 PM »

Quote from: Huff on July 19, 2015, 08:05:00 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 08:03:30 PM

Sega vs Capcom - Sega needs the boost
Namco vs Capcom - sounds excellent
Square Enix vs Capcom - another excellent idea

Shueisha vs Capcom

Goku vs Ryu

mormapope · « **Reply #131 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:09:34 PM »

Namco fighters are all melee focused, don't know of any characters from Soul Caliber, Tekken, ect that have projectiles. Square Enix would be really neat but there isn't that much variety when it comes to usable franchise characters. Would be Final Fantasy mixed with Adam Jensen and Lara Croft

qq more · « **Reply #132 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:13:21 PM »

SEGA VS Capcom would be awesome tbqh. I would definitely main Robotnik w/ his Egg Mobile.

Himu · « **Reply #133 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:16:17 PM »

Quote from: mormapope on July 19, 2015, 08:09:34 PM

Namco fighters are all melee focused, don't know of any characters from Soul Caliber, Tekken, ect that have projectiles. Square Enix would be really neat but there isn't that much variety when it comes to usable franchise characters. Would be Final Fantasy mixed with Adam Jensen and Lara Croft

SE would be better than Namco.

SE has Parasite Eve (Ada uses guns), Chrono franchise (EVERYONE uses magic in that), Dragon Quest (lots and lots of MAGIC and fireballs and potential for non-traditional characters like a Slime. Slime could be the games Servbot). Mix in the western franchises, Final Fantasy, stuff like Xenogears (mechs), Front Mission (mechs again), stuff like Einhander (2d shooter) and you got a damn nice lineup with probably as much potential if not more than Sega vs Capcom.

bork · « **Reply #134 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:16:53 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 07:59:56 PM

Didn't they announce Ultimate like a mere month shy after MVC3 even came out? I don't remember if that was the SFxT debacle or the Ultimate MVC3 one.

It wasn't a month later, but it was within a few months. Just an absolutely nutso short amount of time later. Another argument is that all of the added characters in UMvC3 would have been $40 anyway, but it's kind of the principle of the thing.

The SFxTK debacle was A) all of the "DLC" characters being found on the disc, 99% finished and ready to go (people with modded consoles were even using them online) and B) the gems, because originally you could buy gems that made characters much better. Some of them were even game-breaking. The gems were a stupid fucking idea that they nerfed in the 2013 patch, which pretty much fixed the game, but it was way too late by this time. It's too bad, too, since the game is fun. I played it quite a bit right up until Ultra came out last year. Still play it every now and then.

Quote from: mormapope on July 19, 2015, 08:09:34 PM

Namco fighters are all melee focused, don't know of any characters from Soul Caliber, Tekken, ect that have projectiles.

Eh, didn't seem to be a problem with SFxTK. It's easy enough to modify character attacks to suit the games. Plus if it were a general "Namco" roster it would be more than just Tekken and Soul Calibur characters. I want to see more than just one company. Like we already have a game that has Capcom/Sega/Namco...but it's a strategy game. Make it a fighting game!

Himu · « **Reply #135 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:20:11 PM »

Namco would be great. Like, you fight as Pacman and he uses pellets as a projectile. Or the Ridge Racer girl and she attacks with a megaphone and summons cars and shit. Or the dudes from Time Crisis. Or the guys from Point Blank. What about fucking Galaga?

Namco would be a good contender here. They have a great historical line up. Konami would be another fantastic choice: Gradius, Parodius, Suikoden, Metal Gear, Goemon, Silent Hill.

mormapope · « **Reply #136 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:21:00 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 08:16:17 PM

SE would be better than Namco.

SE has Parasite Eve (Ada uses guns), Chrono franchise (EVERYONE uses magic in that), Dragon Quest (lots and lots of MAGIC and fireballs and potential for non-traditional characters like a Slime. Slime could be the games Servbot). Mix in the western franchises, Final Fantasy, stuff like Xenogears (mechs), Front Mission (mechs again), stuff like Einhander (2d shooter) and you got a damn nice lineup with probably as much potential if not more than Sega vs Capcom.

You make very good points, but for casual fighting game fans, they'll have no clue where most of these characters came from. While the Marvel versus series has had really bizarre marvel characters, the big name heroes have usually been in every Marvel game.

Capcom Vs. Sega would have Sonic and tons of characters or franchises that were heard of, even though they never played the games that had those characters.

bork · « **Reply #137 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:21:07 PM »

LOL, I think someone booed loudly when they showed the ad for Skullgirls.

That game is really good, too.

bork · « **Reply #138 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:23:04 PM »

I dunno Mormapope, if Capcom can make Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom, they can make anything.

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 08:20:11 PM

Namco would be great. Like, you fight as Pacman and he uses pellets as a projectile. Or the Ridge Racer girl and she attacks with a megaphone and summons cars and shit. Or the dudes from Time Crisis. Or the guys from Point Blank. What about fucking Galaga?

Namco would be a good contender here. They have a great historical line up. Konami would be another fantastic choice: Gradius, Parodius, Suikoden, Metal Gear, Goemon, Silent Hill.

Yup, plenty to choose from. Hell, Pac-Man was already in SFxTK.

Himu · « **Reply #139 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:24:02 PM »

Quote from: mormapope on July 19, 2015, 08:21:00 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 08:16:17 PM
SE would be better than Namco.

SE has Parasite Eve (Ada uses guns), Chrono franchise (EVERYONE uses magic in that), Dragon Quest (lots and lots of MAGIC and fireballs and potential for non-traditional characters like a Slime. Slime could be the games Servbot). Mix in the western franchises, Final Fantasy, stuff like Xenogears (mechs), Front Mission (mechs again), stuff like Einhander (2d shooter) and you got a damn nice lineup with probably as much potential if not more than Sega vs Capcom.

You make very good points, but for casual fighting game fans, they'll have no clue where most of these characters came from. While the Marvel versus series has had really bizarre marvel characters, the big name heroes have usually been in every Marvel game.

Capcom Vs. Sega would have Sonic and tons of characters or franchises that were heard of, even though they never played the games that had those characters.

But a lot of those characters are huge in Japan. Plus, I don't think most casual fighting fans know SNK fighters and there was Capcom vs SNK so

Surely, most gamers have an IDEA of Dragon Quest and those games. Fighting game fans tend to be weeaboos, they'd know.

Kara · « **Reply #140 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:24:19 PM »

Ehrgeiz vs. Street Fighter

bork · « **Reply #141 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:24:57 PM »

Quote from: Vularai on July 19, 2015, 08:24:19 PM

Ehrgeiz vs. Street Fighter

Hey, that was a good cast.

bork · « **Reply #142 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:27:33 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 08:24:02 PM

But a lot of those characters are huge in Japan. Plus, I don't think most casual fighting fans know SNK fighters and there was Capcom vs SNK so

In the late 90s/early 2000s? Sure they did. Capcom Vs. SNK was the dream Vs. match-up game for years.

Now? Better call it SF Vs. KOF.

Himu · « **Reply #143 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:28:05 PM »

The best idea is for Capcom to make the next Versus game not with Capcom in it.

Nintendo vs Sega developed by Capcom.

Market it as 16 bit nostalgia. THe sales will come.

mormapope · « **Reply #144 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:34:41 PM »

What really needs to happen is another Jojo 2D fighter made by capcom.

bork · « **Reply #145 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:37:10 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 08:28:05 PM

The best idea is for Capcom to make the next Versus game not with Capcom in it.

Nintendo vs Sega developed by Capcom.

Market it as 16 bit nostalgia. THe sales will come.

There's already Smash. I'd rather see them do something else. Like go full-anime and make a Capcom Jump fighting game or something.

Quote from: mormapope on July 19, 2015, 08:34:41 PM

What really needs to happen is another Jojo 2D fighter made by capcom.

Although I do like what Namco-Bandai is doing with their upcoming PS4 game. The new demo is much-improved over the previous one and even has online play. Not a 2D fighter though. Not a traditional fighter at all, in fact. More of an arena brawler.

Himu · « **Reply #146 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:38:41 PM »

Smash wouldn't be the same as a Capcom developed Sega vs Nintendo doe

Kara · « **Reply #147 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:39:34 PM »

CvS2 is the GOAT 2D fighter. So much nonsense.

mormapope · « **Reply #148 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:40:33 PM »

I hate myself for not getting the original JoJo fighting game on 360 before they took it off the marketplace, was before I started watching the show :'(

A DBZ Xenoverse styled JoJo game where you create a character and Stand and fight through different what if scenarios throughout the franchise would also be really rad.

Himu · « **Reply #149 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:51:55 PM »

That finish

bork · « **Reply #150 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:55:07 PM »

Quote from: mormapope on July 19, 2015, 08:40:33 PM

I hate myself for not getting the original JoJo fighting game on 360 before they took it off the marketplace, was before I started watching the show :'(

I never did get that either, but that's OK since I have it on PS1 and Dreamcast. The PS1 version is my favorite because it has a story mode added with various minigames. I have the PS2 JoJo's game that Capcom made too. It's based on Part V and is a weird single player action game where you run around large areas and fight other stand users.

Quote

A DBZ Xenoverse styled JoJo game where you create a character and Stand and fight through different what if scenarios throughout the franchise would also be really rad.

Himu · « **Reply #151 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:56:50 PM »

these finals are finally getting good

bork · « **Reply #152 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:57:40 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 08:56:50 PM

these finals are finally getting good

But of course!

bork · « **Reply #153 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:59:35 PM »

bork · « **Reply #154 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:01:10 PM »

Apologyman is devasted.

bork · « **Reply #155 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:02:11 PM »

Time for the grand finals!

THEN STREET FIGHTER V CHARACTER REVEAL

Then fuckin' FINALLY Ultra.

Himu · « **Reply #156 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:02:52 PM »

that wave

bork · « **Reply #157 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:03:48 PM »

Kane Blueriver looks like Jerry Lawler circa 1982.

Himu · « **Reply #158 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:06:03 PM »

Kane is trashing ray ray!

Himu · « **Reply #159 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:06:47 PM »

GO RAY RAY

bork · « **Reply #160 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:08:29 PM »

I want Kane to win-- respect for getting to the finals with Hulk and Haggar.

Himu · « **Reply #161 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:10:51 PM »

Quote from: bork laser on July 19, 2015, 09:08:29 PM

I want Kane to win-- respect for getting to the finals with Hulk and Haggar.

i'm with you there. I honestly have no idea who i want to win!

I just liked that initial come back from Ray

bork · « **Reply #162 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:11:27 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #163 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:11:35 PM »

HOLY SHIT

Your Stalker · « **Reply #164 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:11:37 PM »

LAND OF THE FREE

bork · « **Reply #165 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:11:59 PM »

Kane DOMINATING that last match!

Kara · « **Reply #166 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:13:41 PM »

AmeriKKKa lost in Marvel.

brob · « **Reply #167 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:14:22 PM »

KBR da gawd

Himu · « **Reply #168 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:14:51 PM »

insane final round

bork · « **Reply #169 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:16:13 PM »

So crazy that none of the top 8 Marvel staples made it in this year. Nice n' fresh!

Tasty · « **Reply #170 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:16:56 PM »

Quote from: bork laser on July 19, 2015, 08:23:04 PM

I dunno Mormapope, if Capcom can make Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom, they can make anything.

They really should do another TatsuCap. Great intro into real fighters for me. Plus a god-tier opening song.

Quote from: bork laser on July 19, 2015, 08:23:04 PM

Yup, plenty to choose from. Hell, Pac-Man was already in SFxTK.

And Smash 4.

Himu · « **Reply #171 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:17:55 PM »

Quote from: bork laser on July 19, 2015, 09:16:13 PM

So crazy that none of the top 8 Marvel staples made it in this year. Nice n' fresh!

were they all eliminated

bork · « **Reply #172 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:19:05 PM »

Give the man a mic, what the fuck?

Real talk: I liked Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom more than Marvel 3, although I was not a fan of the the two huge single characters (Gold Lightan and the Lost Planet mech). Remove those two and you have an awesome game. Also put it on a real system where you can actually have lobbies, send messages and easily join friends online and that would help immensely.

bork · « **Reply #173 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:19:34 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 09:17:55 PM

Quote from: bork laser on July 19, 2015, 09:16:13 PM
So crazy that none of the top 8 Marvel staples made it in this year. Nice n' fresh!

were they all eliminated

Yup. I missed pretty much all that stuff since I went out for the evening yesterday. Not sure what the Ultra top 8 is but I believe a number of staples are also out and last year's champ, Luffy (Rose player who used a PS1 controller!) was also eliminated. Daigo didn't make it in again this year, poor guy.

Tasty · « **Reply #174 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:21:03 PM »

Quote from: bork laser on July 19, 2015, 09:19:05 PM

Give the man a mic, what the fuck?

Real talk: I liked Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom more than Marvel 3, although I was not a fan of the the two huge single characters (Gold Lightan and the Lost Planet mech). Remove those two and you have an awesome game. Also put it on a real system where you can actually have lobbies, send messages and easily join friends online and that would help immensely.

I thought the two huge characters were a neat idea, dunno how they balanced but they couldn't be paired with anyone.

And yeah the online wad doo doo. Hard to motivate myself to get better when there was literally no one locally I could play with and online was mostly a crapshoot.

Himu · « **Reply #175 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:23:18 PM »

Quote from: bork laser on July 19, 2015, 09:19:34 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 09:17:55 PM
Quote from: bork laser on July 19, 2015, 09:16:13 PM
So crazy that none of the top 8 Marvel staples made it in this year. Nice n' fresh!

were they all eliminated

Yup. I missed pretty much all that stuff since I went out for the evening yesterday. Not sure what the Ultra top 8 is but I believe a number of staples are also out and last year's champ, Luffy (Rose player who used a PS1 controller!) was also eliminated. Daigo didn't make it in again this year, poor guy.

I know about SF's staples not making it in, but the only MVC staple I know is Wong and Yipes. Don't pay attention to MVC.

bork · « **Reply #176 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:27:57 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 19, 2015, 09:21:03 PM

I thought the two huge characters were a neat idea, dunno how they balanced but they couldn't be paired with anyone.

Oh, balance was fucked in that game, but it's a Vs. game so that's kind of the norm. If you watched UMvC3 on the stream tonight and saw all the shit with Zero...that stuff came from TvC. The Lost Planet mech in particular was OP, IIRC. I remember seeing some absolutely stupid shit in tournaments. Playing against those characters was like playing against bosses in a platform game or something. Just didn't work right.

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 19, 2015, 09:21:03 PM

And yeah the online wad doo doo. Hard to motivate myself to get better when there was literally no one locally I could play with and online was mostly a crapshoot.

This too. I got the first version of the game from Japan in 2008 (it had less characters and also one character who didn't make it to Ultimate All-Stars, this weird cartoon genie) and nobody locally wanted to play since they didn't have copies to practice on. It also had no online so it sat on my shelf. This version of the game had individual character themes and mini-games for every character, BTW.

Then they announced Ultimate All-Stars. More characters and online play? Awesome! Got it and found that when I played it on my Japanese Wii...it would match me up with Asian and European players before U.S. players. That sucked. But I was living at home at the time and my folks had a Wii, so I played it on their system...and still had problems finding games. The best way to play with friends was to message each other on PSN or XBL and then load up the Wii. I remember even using XBL to chat with people when we played, lol.

But it died really quickly for me. Sucks that Nintendo still didn't get their shit together with the Wii U too. I hope NX finally has a proper account system, friends lists with messaging/match-making, and all that stuff that should be fucking STANDARD now.

bork · « **Reply #177 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:28:47 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 09:23:18 PM

Quote from: bork laser on July 19, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 19, 2015, 09:17:55 PM
Quote from: bork laser on July 19, 2015, 09:16:13 PM
So crazy that none of the top 8 Marvel staples made it in this year. Nice n' fresh!

were they all eliminated

Yup. I missed pretty much all that stuff since I went out for the evening yesterday. Not sure what the Ultra top 8 is but I believe a number of staples are also out and last year's champ, Luffy (Rose player who used a PS1 controller!) was also eliminated. Daigo didn't make it in again this year, poor guy.

I know about SF's staples not making it in, but the only MVC staple I know is Wong and Yipes. Don't pay attention to MVC.

People like Filipino Champ and Chris G. also didn't make the cut. I don't think Yipes ever got into top 8. Could be wrong on that.

Himu · « **Reply #178 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:30:46 PM »

I'm rooting for Xian or Gamerbee. Love Xian because of his Poison.

Tasty · « **Reply #179 on:** July 19, 2015, 09:35:16 PM »

Quote from: bork laser on July 19, 2015, 09:27:57 PM

This too. I got the first version of the game from Japan in 2008 (it had less characters and also one character who didn't make it to Ultimate All-Stars, this weird cartoon genie) and nobody locally wanted to play since they didn't have copies to practice on. It also had no online so it sat on my shelf. This version of the game had individual character themes and mini-games for every character, BTW.

Then they announced Ultimate All-Stars. More characters and online play? Awesome! Got it and found that when I played it on my Japanese Wii...it would match me up with Asian and European players before U.S. players. That sucked. But I was living at home at the time and my folks had a Wii, so I played it on their system...and still had problems finding games. The best way to play with friends was to message each other on PSN or XBL and then load up the Wii. I remember even using XBL to chat with people when we played, lol.

But it died really quickly for me. Sucks that Nintendo still didn't get their shit together with the Wii U too. I hope NX finally has a proper account system, friends lists with messaging/match-making, and all that stuff that should be fucking STANDARD now.

Yeah that's pretty much Nintendo online gaming. But it's not so bad.

What killed it for me was latency, which might have been my fault.

So happy Smash 4 online is doable.

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