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« Reply #15180 on: March 31, 2016, 04:07:32 AM »
That thread is wild

Quote from: A Link to the Past
If you openly support GamerGate or identify as a GamerGate on a profile attached to your account, you get fucked. Sounds simple, don't you think?

And no, there's no value in hearing what GG has to say, no more than someone from the Klan.

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I don't fuck with GG, all sides have racked up huge faults. It's nothing but eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind sort of vindictive posturing.

But that poster is all sorts of mess. Just before I took a hot one (for something unrelated,) I found myself being lecture as to why whites with dreads are problematic. Now today there is a new thread and the gaf consensus is that they are fine. He is certainly less veracious in the new thread where he doesn't have his cultural authoritarian posse to back him up.

Kinitari is the real hero that gaf deserves. Bless that man for dropping truth bombs after my late departure.

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« Reply #15181 on: March 31, 2016, 04:13:32 AM »
Jerking off is all that we know.
Using our hands up as we go.
I'm restoring to misogyny
The moe all around
Are the only female bodies we get to see
Being nice guys still never works
because girls are bitches
Douchebags only win.

They're out of touch
I'm out of nice (ness)
But I'm out of my head
When you're not around
They're out of touch
I'm out of nice (ness)
But I'm out of my head
When they're not around
Oh, oh-oh, oh
Oh, oh-oh, oh

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« Reply #15182 on: March 31, 2016, 04:15:13 AM »
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She also dressed up like a young prepubescent boy.

Coincidence? I think not!  :doge
I'd PK fire her.

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« Reply #15183 on: March 31, 2016, 04:28:14 AM »
Aren't a lot of otaku types among GG? They taint their precious, as seen recently with Star Ocean 5. I thought that's why they lean into the dastardly SJWs so much. Japan was their saviour and now they've got to glorious Nippon as well. But then their home away from home (7chan) is itself a pedo haven, with loli shit all over. I guess it doesn't matter to whoever is leading the charge?

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« Reply #15184 on: March 31, 2016, 04:50:23 AM »
I think the problem is talking about "GamerGate" as an organized entity when in reality it's a convenient and vague banner/rallying cry for a bunch of loosely connected individuals. Just the same as "Anonymous". "GamerGate" is a pot pourri where some are very into pedo shaming / cultural relativism will mean cats sleep with dogs ! and others defend the sanctity of the freedom to create (child molesting simulators). Calling them a hate group is probably giving it way too much credit.

EDIT : Some gaffers have weird expectations about the amount of disclosing a company will air when firing someone. Or about conventions and norms in a big business environment. Nintendo advising their PR employees against face tattoos and piercings ? "Surely a carry over of weird conservatism from Japan"  ???
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« Reply #15185 on: March 31, 2016, 05:47:36 AM »
I just think videogame GG/pedo/misogynists are like the current US Republican party where evangelicals and economic conservatives and libertarians made one big stupid fuckfest and everyone that thought there was something worth debating on has just given up while those that still care are just hanging onto some little scrap of identity that all their self-esteem comes from. Just lock them all into a container and come back in the morning and give whoever's left a gold star.

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« Reply #15186 on: March 31, 2016, 05:53:25 AM »
The biggest thing keeping "gamergate" going is the idiots who bring it up in every thread, not actual participants. You can literally cut the Irony with a knife.

Example;

What if Link was a girl?

Post 1: Id be fine with it

Post 2: Meh I'm pretty use to how It is.

Post 3: oh and here we go, sexist gamers unite!


Watch, it happens every time.
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« Reply #15187 on: March 31, 2016, 06:07:17 AM »
That thread is wild

Quote from: A Link to the Past
If you openly support GamerGate or identify as a GamerGate on a profile attached to your account, you get fucked. Sounds simple, don't you think?

And no, there's no value in hearing what GG has to say, no more than someone from the Klan.

 :badass

Nintendo would probably end up banning half their customers from Nintendo Network if "Supporting GG" was a bannable offense. The industry has no reason to even consider even taking punitive actions because they are also the biggest whales. Kicking out customers who spend thousands a year won't do shit except hurt the bottom line. 

The continued existence of "Gamergate" is still the L the world keeps on taking.

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« Reply #15188 on: March 31, 2016, 07:31:12 AM »
A company that strives to be family friendly doesn't want to employ a publicly known pedo sympathizer.  It's a no brainer to me but then again I'm not on the autistic spectrum.
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« Reply #15189 on: March 31, 2016, 08:36:14 AM »
Kinitari

CTRL+F for name to find posts:

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Nintendo would probably end up banning half their customers from Nintendo Network if "Supporting GG" was a bannable offense.

https://twitter.com/BadMiiversePost

Hell, some folks are just straight up clueless on Nintendo systems.

(8chan)

FTFY.
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« Reply #15190 on: March 31, 2016, 09:07:00 AM »

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« Reply #15191 on: March 31, 2016, 09:25:22 AM »
Rapp seems like she was a ticking time bomb for Nintendo. She must have some serious skills to offset her liabilities. Wouldn't be surprised if she did some cam work and that's what her undoing was.
A company that strives to be family friendly doesn't want to employ a publicly known pedo sympathizer.  It's a no brainer to me but then again I'm not on the autistic spectrum.
Prove it.  From one armchair mental health professional to another.  :snob

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« Reply #15192 on: March 31, 2016, 10:57:56 AM »
Do you post on GAF? Spectrum confirmed.  :snob

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« Reply #15193 on: March 31, 2016, 11:06:30 AM »

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« Reply #15195 on: March 31, 2016, 11:45:59 AM »
Wage holy war against a hashtag, brehs.

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« Reply #15196 on: March 31, 2016, 11:55:56 AM »
Are people seriously calling for a boycott of Nintendo because they "didn't do enough to stop the harassment"?
People, your employer isn't your Mommy or Daddy. The only reason they keep you around is to make money off you. That's it. That's all. How is it possible grown people have such a disconnect from reality?
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« Reply #15197 on: March 31, 2016, 12:11:31 PM »
Are people seriously calling for a boycott of Nintendo because they "didn't do enough to stop the harassment"?
People, your employer isn't your Mommy or Daddy. The only reason they keep you around is to make money off you. That's it. That's all. How is it possible grown people have such a disconnect from reality?

This is where GAF shows it's youth and naďveté.

It's like they have no idea how corporations function. They're not your mommy or daddy. They don't care about you.  Have you seen the jobs threads there? Utterly clueless people.

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« Reply #15198 on: March 31, 2016, 12:19:27 PM »
Are people seriously calling for a boycott of Nintendo because they "didn't do enough to stop the harassment"?
People, your employer isn't your Mommy or Daddy. The only reason they keep you around is to make money off you. That's it. That's all. How is it possible grown people have such a disconnect from reality?

This is where GAF shows it's youth and naďveté.

It's like they have no idea how corporations function. They're not your mommy or daddy. They don't care about you.  Have you seen the jobs threads there? Utterly clueless people.

Yeah, this one is something I've had to keep in mind. The last major "millennials are dooooomed" thread had a ton of folks complaining about how hard the job market is. But the vast majority of people complaining about it were still in college. So, yeah, the job market is not great right now, but it has always and forever sucked for people looking for entry level work. But, I remember bitching about the same shit at their age, so I mostly just let it slide. It's when they start to think that people were just handed jobs in generations past that I have to say something.

NeoGAF skews very young. With that brings a lot of things a lot of people are going to grow out of. Hopefully.

As for the whole Nintendo thing, I was out of the loop, went to read up on it, realized I didn't care and just stayed away from it. Keeping away from anything involving GG is just a good idea. There is nothing to be gained from jumping into that muck.

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« Reply #15199 on: March 31, 2016, 12:20:37 PM »
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=199761676


If anybody on Neogaf actually did this MS would have closed out the Xbox already.


I'll never understand why people lie to fit in to the Sony hive mind.
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« Reply #15200 on: March 31, 2016, 12:23:55 PM »
Are people seriously calling for a boycott of Nintendo because they "didn't do enough to stop the harassment"?
People, your employer isn't your Mommy or Daddy. The only reason they keep you around is to make money off you. That's it. That's all. How is it possible grown people have such a disconnect from reality?

This is where GAF shows it's youth and naďveté.

It's like they have no idea how corporations function. They're not your mommy or daddy. They don't care about you.  Have you seen the jobs threads there? Utterly clueless people.

Yeah, this one is something I've had to keep in mind. The last major "millennials are dooooomed" thread had a ton of folks complaining about how hard the job market is. But the vast majority of people complaining about it were still in college. So, yeah, the job market is not great right now, but it has always and forever sucked for people looking for entry level work. But, I remember bitching about the same shit at their age, so I mostly just let it slide. It's when they start to think that people were just handed jobs in generations past that I have to say something.

NeoGAF skews very young. With that brings a lot of things a lot of people are going to grow out of. Hopefully.

As for the whole Nintendo thing, I was out of the loop, went to read up on it, realized I didn't care and just stayed away from it. Keeping away from anything involving GG is just a good idea. There is nothing to be gained from jumping into that muck.

A lot of it is shellshock at how their academic theories from their universities, which are largely free from major market forces and disruption, don't really make sense in real life. 

Corporations are amoral entities.  I was the same in my youth, so I do think their cynical phase will start when they're punched by reality. 

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« Reply #15201 on: March 31, 2016, 12:25:36 PM »
When in the world will these kids understand college is there to prep you for work in the real world, not train you for it nor guarantee you get the job you want.?

There are no participation awards when a bottom line is involved. Grow up.

I detest letting young people go, as they inevitably will bash you on social media and occasionally try to sue you regardless of their performance or occurrence which lead to said termination.


Edit: And the worst part is this type of shit is making this generation the most undesirable hiring classes of all time. And they do it to themselves. It's perplexing how entitled they are.
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« Reply #15202 on: March 31, 2016, 12:29:42 PM »
nintendo needs to check their privilege
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« Reply #15203 on: March 31, 2016, 12:30:54 PM »
nintendo needs to check their privilege

Lol as if Nintendo ever gave a shit about anyone but Nintendo. Please of all the big three they are definitely the most old school in terms of customer interaction.

Girl broke rules, girl got fired. Fuck off GAF.
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« Reply #15204 on: March 31, 2016, 12:33:40 PM »
Video games are bad at drawing fans who think the corporation behind their hobby is their friends. Magic: the Gathering is another one. In fact, most nerd hobbies tend to draw that type of person. It's odd that some folks never grow out of believing that. Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Valve, EA...these companies do not give a holy fuck about you. They want your money. It is up the consumer to demand a fair trade for that. But it is never more than a transaction. Adults who still go to bat for their favorite console are equally strange to me as furries. I just don't get it.

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« Reply #15205 on: March 31, 2016, 12:34:57 PM »
nintendo needs to check their privilege

Lol as if Nintendo ever gave a shit about anyone but Nintendo. Please of all the big three they are definitely the most old school in terms of customer interaction.

Girl broke rules, girl got fired. Fuck off GAF.
But the people that informed Nintendo she broke rules are bad people! That means it shouldn't count! These people post bad words...ON THE INTERNET!

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« Reply #15206 on: March 31, 2016, 12:36:10 PM »
Projected sales
Cost to develop
Cost to market
Sales life
Support Cycle
What's for lunch
I'm leaving early Thursday
Did you see Janet's new shoes?
Did we offend anyone

This is about the order of discussion on a daily basis.
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« Reply #15207 on: March 31, 2016, 12:36:50 PM »
nintendo needs to check their privilege

Lol as if Nintendo ever gave a shit about anyone but Nintendo. Please of all the big three they are definitely the most old school in terms of customer interaction.

Girl broke rules, girl got fired. Fuck off GAF.
But the people that informed Nintendo she broke rules are bad people! That means it shouldn't count! These people post bad words...ON THE INTERNET!

Well don't be a cam whore or whatever and work with a company aimed at children. Problem solved!
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Phoenix Dark

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« Reply #15208 on: March 31, 2016, 12:40:23 PM »
Video games are bad at drawing fans who think the corporation behind their hobby is their friends. Magic: the Gathering is another one. In fact, most nerd hobbies tend to draw that type of person. It's odd that some folks never grow out of believing that. Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Valve, EA...these companies do not give a holy fuck about you. They want your money. It is up the consumer to demand a fair trade for that. But it is never more than a transaction. Adults who still go to bat for their favorite console are equally strange to me as furries. I just don't get it.

Is it, really? Imagine if you had no real life friends and lived vicariously through the successes and failure of multi-billion dollar corporations. Imagine if you considered E3 game reveals as seminal moments of your life. Imagine if your love of corporations extended to also viewing CEOs and spokesman as personal acquaintances or even friends.

Is it really surprising that such a person would view a corporation as their friend? They don't know any better.
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« Reply #15209 on: March 31, 2016, 12:46:31 PM »
Video games are bad at drawing fans who think the corporation behind their hobby is their friends. Magic: the Gathering is another one. In fact, most nerd hobbies tend to draw that type of person. It's odd that some folks never grow out of believing that. Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Valve, EA...these companies do not give a holy fuck about you. They want your money. It is up the consumer to demand a fair trade for that. But it is never more than a transaction. Adults who still go to bat for their favorite console are equally strange to me as furries. I just don't get it.

Is it, really? Imagine if you had no real life friends and lived vicariously through the successes and failure of multi-billion dollar corporations. Imagine if you considered E3 game reveals as seminal moments of your life. Imagine if your love of corporations extended to also viewing CEOs and spokesman as personal acquaintances or even friends.

Is it really surprising that such a person would view a corporation as their friend? They don't know any better.

I guess not. I assume most of these people have actual friends. If not, they have at least internet buddies, right? I dunno. It's not reserved solely for nerddom either. There are people who ride for Ford and Chevy. I'm not a sociologist, but I'd love to read a good study on what makes these people tick.

Well, those and the "marketing doesn't work on me" types who post from their Nexus tablets after watching Breaking Bad on Netflix.

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« Reply #15210 on: March 31, 2016, 12:49:56 PM »
It's the same as (insane) sports team fanatics, I think.
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« Reply #15211 on: March 31, 2016, 12:52:50 PM »
It's the same as (insane) sports team fanatics, I think.

Not even close. Ones outcome is decided in a few hours of competition. WTF?
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« Reply #15212 on: March 31, 2016, 12:53:48 PM »
It's the same as (insane) sports team fanatics, I think.

Not even close. Ones outcome is decided in a few hours of competition. WTF?
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« Reply #15213 on: March 31, 2016, 01:04:17 PM »
It's the same as (insane) sports team fanatics, I think.

Not even close. Ones outcome is decided in a few hours of competition. WTF?

You missed his point I think. He's referred to obsessed fans. Like Walmart Wolverines - ie University of Michigan football fans who didn't go to the school yet obsess over it and look down on other people who are fans or attend other schools in the state.

Or obnoxious Duke fans.
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« Reply #15214 on: March 31, 2016, 01:10:04 PM »
I always understood stanning for the creators themselves. I always got stanning for a Miyamoto or Kamiya but not a Reggie or a Kaz Hirai. It's like if rap fans stanned for Jimmy Iovine. Stanning for executives whose job is to get your money instead of actually making the thing you like will never make sense to me.

Gabe Newell is one of few that fits in both categories.

The hate Valve gets for not releasing games that often makes little to no sense. They're a private company, the money they make is for the employees and only the employees. I'm sure if Activision became privately owned, created a marketplace from scratch and made more boatloads off that than CoD, we wouldn't see yearly CoD's ever again.

Just always struck me as weird. If you have no outside shareholders to answer to and you're making tons of money YoY, you can do whatever you want.
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« Reply #15215 on: March 31, 2016, 01:12:40 PM »
The main thing I hate about the comparison between fans of sports teams and fans of consumer products is that the former is inherently about competition. I mean, I'm not the biggest sports fan in the world, but I do get the fans. Like here in St. Louis, this is Cardinals nation. If I were ever to hop on the bandwagon and decide to get into baseball, it kind of comes with the territory that I'd want to see them be better than the other teams. After all, that's the entire point of the sport. I'm not saying that such people don't exist, but it seems difficult to me to be such a fan of the purity of any particular sport that you just enjoy seeing the game played without any investment at all in which team wins.

But Sony vs. Microsoft or Apple vs. Samsung or Ford vs. Chevy? Unless you're an employee of these companies or a stockholder, there's no inherent need to be invested in what sells more. The idea is that you buy a video game console to play games, you buy a cell phone to text, make calls, and surf the web/play games. You buy a car because you need a way to get from point A to point B. There's no need to be part of the winning side and cheer on a corporation for making a product consumers want to use. These are supposed to be utilitarian purchases, not lifestyle investments.

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« Reply #15216 on: March 31, 2016, 01:12:54 PM »
Well don't be a cam whore or whatever and work with a company aimed at children. Problem solved!
I can't blame her for thinking it was safe. Nintendo's focus lately is manchildren over actual children. :doge

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« Reply #15217 on: March 31, 2016, 01:13:45 PM »

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« Reply #15218 on: March 31, 2016, 01:41:51 PM »
The main thing I hate about the comparison between fans of sports teams and fans of consumer products is that the former is inherently about competition. I mean, I'm not the biggest sports fan in the world, but I do get the fans. Like here in St. Louis, this is Cardinals nation. If I were ever to hop on the bandwagon and decide to get into baseball, it kind of comes with the territory that I'd want to see them be better than the other teams. After all, that's the entire point of the sport. I'm not saying that such people don't exist, but it seems difficult to me to be such a fan of the purity of any particular sport that you just enjoy seeing the game played without any investment at all in which team wins.

But Sony vs. Microsoft or Apple vs. Samsung or Ford vs. Chevy? Unless you're an employee of these companies or a stockholder, there's no inherent need to be invested in what sells more. The idea is that you buy a video game console to play games, you buy a cell phone to text, make calls, and surf the web/play games. You buy a car because you need a way to get from point A to point B. There's no need to be part of the winning side and cheer on a corporation for making a product consumers want to use. These are supposed to be utilitarian purchases, not lifestyle investments.

Eh, Cars I wouldn't put in that category. Ford Vs Chevy (Vs Dodge Vs whoever else) came off the back of NASCAR, Trans-Am and Can-Am racing. The whole "Win on Suday, Sell on Monday" the companies put into it translated to the fans and there was at least some sort of investment on both sides even though the end game was to sell the car. That sort of brand fanboyism at least came from sports and lots of car stanning still comes off competition performance in racing and drifting over branding and believing the company is your friend. Ferrari fanboys would torque the snorkel over Ferrari's F1 performance and Porsche fanboys will counter with the dominance over Le Mans rather than their sales of either. Which are nowhere near as close as Toyota (And Ferrari certainly is not your friend considering they won't even let you buy their cars unless you meet their criteria and sign a contract saying you won't sully the brand). Tech fanboys are usually just embarrassing because there's no real reason to fanboy these companies and treat them as friends. But they personify them anyway and attack other brands for existing (AKA Brand Terrorism/Evangelism in the marketing lexicon)

You can still make them mad though. Toyota fanboys :heh 

 

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« Reply #15219 on: March 31, 2016, 01:46:08 PM »
But Sony vs. Microsoft or Apple vs. Samsung or Ford vs. Chevy? Unless you're an employee of these companies or a stockholder, there's no inherent need to be invested in what sells more.


I hate to be defending those people, but if you're someone that has limited funds, buying a console, phone or a car becomes an investment. Because you don't really have the flexibility to pivot to a different product if that one falls on it's face. So you want to see it do well and increase the odds of it's longevity. Also, a more popular product will attract more apps/games/accessories for whatever it is you bought. Bringing it even more value in the long run.

It gets weird once that person crosses over from championing an individual product into the company as whole. Where that becomes part of their identity. That's where the cross-over with sports fans happens. Identity through consumerism.




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« Reply #15220 on: March 31, 2016, 01:49:23 PM »
People will build a tribal identity around pretty much anything, especially if there's a competing alternative.

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« Reply #15221 on: March 31, 2016, 01:55:20 PM »
But Sony vs. Microsoft or Apple vs. Samsung or Ford vs. Chevy? Unless you're an employee of these companies or a stockholder, there's no inherent need to be invested in what sells more.


I hate to be defending those people, but if you're someone that has limited funds, buying a console, phone or a car becomes an investment. Because you don't really have the flexibility to pivot to a different product if that one falls on it's face. So you want to see it do well and increase the odds of it's longevity. Also, a more popular product will attract more apps/games/accessories for whatever it is you bought. Bringing it even more value in the long run.

It gets weird once that person crosses over from championing an individual product into the company as whole. Where it becomes part of their identity. That's where the cross-over with sports fans happens.

I can concede that to an extent, but I really only empathize on this point with children. As adults, I feel like you should really only be buying in at a point where you know that it's good enough. The other guys scored an exclusive you would like to have played? Yeah, that's a bummer, but it's not like you didn't already have a good idea of what you were buying into. Now yes, if you're 13 and feeling left out because you're stuck playing Splatoon on the Wii U your parents bought you and all the other kids are playing Call a' Duty, then I can see the spiteful "I want the other guys to fail" reaction. But I just don't see the need. Whatever video game console or phone you bought into, surely there's enough good stuff out for it that the content you're missing out on can't be that difficult a pill to swallow. And if it is? Well, bite the bullet and either buy that system or trade in the thing you got towards it.

I'm not trying to be Mr. Money Bags here and show no empathy for those who don't have the disposable income to piss away on overpriced video gaming junk, but there's really not a lot on the line here. Whatever system you bought has plenty of games to play on it, and if you're jealous of what you're missing out on, then get that system as well. I really can't buy that the inability to play Halo and Uncharted on one box is really a legitimate struggle for anyone out there.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15222 on: March 31, 2016, 02:01:50 PM »
People will build a tribal identity around pretty much anything, especially if there's a competing alternative.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15223 on: March 31, 2016, 02:03:15 PM »
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15224 on: March 31, 2016, 02:11:20 PM »
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15225 on: March 31, 2016, 02:19:46 PM »
The main thing I hate about the comparison between fans of sports teams and fans of consumer products is that the former is inherently about competition. I mean, I'm not the biggest sports fan in the world, but I do get the fans. Like here in St. Louis, this is Cardinals nation. If I were ever to hop on the bandwagon and decide to get into baseball, it kind of comes with the territory that I'd want to see them be better than the other teams. After all, that's the entire point of the sport. I'm not saying that such people don't exist, but it seems difficult to me to be such a fan of the purity of any particular sport that you just enjoy seeing the game played without any investment at all in which team wins.

But Sony vs. Microsoft or Apple vs. Samsung or Ford vs. Chevy? Unless you're an employee of these companies or a stockholder, there's no inherent need to be invested in what sells more. The idea is that you buy a video game console to play games, you buy a cell phone to text, make calls, and surf the web/play games. You buy a car because you need a way to get from point A to point B. There's no need to be part of the winning side and cheer on a corporation for making a product consumers want to use. These are supposed to be utilitarian purchases, not lifestyle investments.

If you have a limited amount of money to spend on entertainment products, I'd imagine you'd want the platform you decide on to succeed and continue succeeding to ensure that the majority of titles get released for it.

I'm not really a sports guy but I do understand the love for local teams. It's a 'hometown pride' kind of thing... but I do not get the hardcore fans who always use "we" when talking about the team... like, when the Giants lose they're all like "we should've ran instead of passing". You're not Coughlin nor are you on the team, why are you saying "we"?
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15226 on: March 31, 2016, 02:32:37 PM »
The main thing I hate about the comparison between fans of sports teams and fans of consumer products is that the former is inherently about competition. I mean, I'm not the biggest sports fan in the world, but I do get the fans. Like here in St. Louis, this is Cardinals nation. If I were ever to hop on the bandwagon and decide to get into baseball, it kind of comes with the territory that I'd want to see them be better than the other teams. After all, that's the entire point of the sport. I'm not saying that such people don't exist, but it seems difficult to me to be such a fan of the purity of any particular sport that you just enjoy seeing the game played without any investment at all in which team wins.

But Sony vs. Microsoft or Apple vs. Samsung or Ford vs. Chevy? Unless you're an employee of these companies or a stockholder, there's no inherent need to be invested in what sells more. The idea is that you buy a video game console to play games, you buy a cell phone to text, make calls, and surf the web/play games. You buy a car because you need a way to get from point A to point B. There's no need to be part of the winning side and cheer on a corporation for making a product consumers want to use. These are supposed to be utilitarian purchases, not lifestyle investments.

If you have a limited amount of money to spend on entertainment products, I'd imagine you'd want the platform you decide on to succeed and continue succeeding to ensure that the majority of titles get released for it.

I'm not really a sports guy but I do understand the love for local teams. It's a 'hometown pride' kind of thing... but I do not get the hardcore fans who always use "we" when talking about the team... like, when the Giants lose they're all like "we should've ran instead of passing". You're not Coughlin nor are you on the team, why are you saying "we"?

Right, but my point is that winning the sales race isn't the point of gaming. The only practical implications of the sales race is third party support. Otherwise, when I'm looking at which console to buy, I make an educated purchase based on their libraries. And the games don't become any more or less fun to play based on NPD performance. But sports? When you buy into a team, the fun you have watching that team play is going to be largely impacted by whether or not that team is winning or losing. Rivalries are important to sports. Ultimately, you hope that they can put together a playoff run. That's the point of sports. The Cardinals being better than the Cubs is important to being a Cardinals fan. The PS4 selling more than the Xbox One isn't important in regards to how fun Uncharted 4 is.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15227 on: March 31, 2016, 02:34:23 PM »
It's the same as (insane) sports team fanatics, I think.

Not even close. Ones outcome is decided in a few hours of competition. WTF?
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15228 on: March 31, 2016, 02:37:12 PM »
But Sony vs. Microsoft or Apple vs. Samsung or Ford vs. Chevy? Unless you're an employee of these companies or a stockholder, there's no inherent need to be invested in what sells more.


I hate to be defending those people, but if you're someone that has limited funds, buying a console, phone or a car becomes an investment. Because you don't really have the flexibility to pivot to a different product if that one falls on it's face. So you want to see it do well and increase the odds of it's longevity. Also, a more popular product will attract more apps/games/accessories for whatever it is you bought. Bringing it even more value in the long run.

It gets weird once that person crosses over from championing an individual product into the company as whole. Where that becomes part of their identity. That's where the cross-over with sports fans happens. Identity through consumerism.

I grew up broke. I don't remember stanning for Atari over Coleco, Nintendo over Sega, or Sony over Microsoft. Nor anybody else. Maybe it's an Internet thing.

Of course I do think growing up with the lack of Internet and cell phones was a bonus, not a subtraction.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15229 on: March 31, 2016, 02:45:02 PM »
The internet definitely amplifyies these things. Message boards are like arenas. Here's a piece of news, now fight over which camp profits/loses most from it.

Also, maybe you don't notice, but you have a massive MS thing.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15230 on: March 31, 2016, 02:45:06 PM »
Nintendo vs Sega was really bad. I remember videogame magazines printing fan letters in which fanboys threatend the other fanboys groups. But I don't feel it's related to having money either, there are enough fanboys with more than enough money for all consoles. Hell, many people on GAF seem buy another console only to appear immune from a fanboy label.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15231 on: March 31, 2016, 02:47:02 PM »
New England sports teams :aah

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15232 on: March 31, 2016, 02:51:59 PM »
It's the same as (insane) sports team fanatics, I think.

Not even close. Ones outcome is decided in a few hours of competition. WTF?

Browns fans just keep coming back. WTF indeed.

I can be a Nintendo fan and not cut myself when they do something wrong. Or you know, not eat a cartridge to be closer to the game. It is possible. I'm talking about the insane people.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15233 on: March 31, 2016, 02:53:23 PM »
I grew up broke. I don't remember stanning for Atari over Coleco, Nintendo over Sega, or Sony over Microsoft. Nor anybody else. Maybe it's an Internet thing.

I don't think you'd see it much between a group of friends. Because you'd be thrilled that your buddy had an SNES you could borrow or play at his house (if you only had a Genesis). But NintendovSega shit was a very real thing that would happen in the lunch rooms or on-line (BBS, Prodigy, AOL, etc) back in the day. I think most of it was instigated by Sega advertising tbh.





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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15234 on: March 31, 2016, 02:54:56 PM »
I grew up broke. I don't remember stanning for Atari over Coleco, Nintendo over Sega, or Sony over Microsoft. Nor anybody else. Maybe it's an Internet thing.

I don't think you'd see it much between a group of friends. Because you'd be thrilled that your buddy had an SNES you could borrow or play at his house. But Nintendo/Sega shit was a very real thing that would happen in the lunch rooms or on-line (BBS, Prodigy, AOL, etc) back in the day.

Borrowing my cousin's Intellivision and all of his carts for a week.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15235 on: March 31, 2016, 03:00:00 PM »
So I was almost removed from a Gamestop today!

So I haven't been into a GameStop in awhile and I decided that with wanting to preorder a PSVR and pay it off a bit over time this would be the place to go. Boy was I wrong!

The man ahead of me was buying a PS3 game and asked the lady are there any more PS3 games coming out or are they pretty much done. She responds with there are no more PS3 or 360 games being released that they are completely done with those systems.

He then asks well what about all his downloaded games and content and she replies they announced last year that they would be shutting the servers down for the PS3, you won't be able to play online or download games anymore.

At this point I'm just kinda standing behind the guy with my mouth literally dropped to the floor I could not believe what I was hearing. I said to the guy I'm sorry I don't know where she's getting her info from but this is honestly not the case there's a handful of games still coming out for PS3 in the coming months and that Japan was still making games for the PS3 that could be localized although they will be very few and far between. And that for at least another few years your purchased titles will be downloadable still.

He then being a bit more relieved asks about a Backwards Compatible PS4 and this lady... The store manager no less says yes her Sony rep had told her there was a new model coming out that would be backwards compatible... And I laugh very audibly at this point and ask her if she's talking about the PS4K which she then gave me a weird look and said she had never heard of that.

At this point I just let the guy know that this person is just feeding him utter nonsense and to just not take any of this to heart and she replies with that she will be calling security to remove me because I am affecting her business with this man. I laugh and apologize and take my leave. I will preorder from Amazon but this has honestly been an eye opening experience and am somewhat sad because this mall GameStop was a really great one up until a year or two ago when they changed out the majority of their staff... But man this visit was really something else.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15236 on: March 31, 2016, 03:24:43 PM »
I don't remember stanning for Atari over Coleco, Nintendo over Sega, or Sony over Microsoft. Nor anybody else. Maybe it's an Internet thing.

Of course I do think growing up with the lack of Internet and cell phones was a bonus, not a subtraction.

:dunno

I dunno about how things were pre 1984 vidya-crash, but Nintendo vs. Sega?  That was a huge topic of "debate*" in the lunchroom at school.  I'm sure it was for Sony and MS as well with kids/teens of that age.  By that point I was in college and working at a video game store and had to deal with the customers and all that dumb shit first hand.

*Debate = "SEGA IS 16 BIT!  NINTENDO IS 8-BIT AND SUCKS!  YEAH WELL NINTENDO HAS MARIO AND MARIO RULES!"
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15237 on: March 31, 2016, 03:26:18 PM »
So I was almost removed from a Gamestop today!

So I haven't been into a GameStop in awhile and I decided that with wanting to preorder a PSVR and pay it off a bit over time this would be the place to go. Boy was I wrong!

The man ahead of me was buying a PS3 game and asked the lady are there any more PS3 games coming out or are they pretty much done. She responds with there are no more PS3 or 360 games being released that they are completely done with those systems.

He then asks well what about all his downloaded games and content and she replies they announced last year that they would be shutting the servers down for the PS3, you won't be able to play online or download games anymore.

At this point I'm just kinda standing behind the guy with my mouth literally dropped to the floor I could not believe what I was hearing. I said to the guy I'm sorry I don't know where she's getting her info from but this is honestly not the case there's a handful of games still coming out for PS3 in the coming months and that Japan was still making games for the PS3 that could be localized although they will be very few and far between. And that for at least another few years your purchased titles will be downloadable still.

He then being a bit more relieved asks about a Backwards Compatible PS4 and this lady... The store manager no less says yes her Sony rep had told her there was a new model coming out that would be backwards compatible... And I laugh very audibly at this point and ask her if she's talking about the PS4K which she then gave me a weird look and said she had never heard of that.

At this point I just let the guy know that this person is just feeding him utter nonsense and to just not take any of this to heart and she replies with that she will be calling security to remove me because I am affecting her business with this man. I laugh and apologize and take my leave. I will preorder from Amazon but this has honestly been an eye opening experience and am somewhat sad because this mall GameStop was a really great one up until a year or two ago when they changed out the majority of their staff... But man this visit was really something else.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15238 on: March 31, 2016, 03:32:16 PM »
If you don't like Dale Jr I will KILL YOU
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #15239 on: March 31, 2016, 03:45:43 PM »
So I was almost removed from a Gamestop today!

So I haven't been into a GameStop in awhile and I decided that with wanting to preorder a PSVR and pay it off a bit over time this would be the place to go. Boy was I wrong!

The man ahead of me was buying a PS3 game and asked the lady are there any more PS3 games coming out or are they pretty much done. She responds with there are no more PS3 or 360 games being released that they are completely done with those systems.

He then asks well what about all his downloaded games and content and she replies they announced last year that they would be shutting the servers down for the PS3, you won't be able to play online or download games anymore.

At this point I'm just kinda standing behind the guy with my mouth literally dropped to the floor I could not believe what I was hearing. I said to the guy I'm sorry I don't know where she's getting her info from but this is honestly not the case there's a handful of games still coming out for PS3 in the coming months and that Japan was still making games for the PS3 that could be localized although they will be very few and far between. And that for at least another few years your purchased titles will be downloadable still.

He then being a bit more relieved asks about a Backwards Compatible PS4 and this lady... The store manager no less says yes her Sony rep had told her there was a new model coming out that would be backwards compatible... And I laugh very audibly at this point and ask her if she's talking about the PS4K which she then gave me a weird look and said she had never heard of that.

At this point I just let the guy know that this person is just feeding him utter nonsense and to just not take any of this to heart and she replies with that she will be calling security to remove me because I am affecting her business with this man. I laugh and apologize and take my leave. I will preorder from Amazon but this has honestly been an eye opening experience and am somewhat sad because this mall GameStop was a really great one up until a year or two ago when they changed out the majority of their staff... But man this visit was really something else.

You are a hero tbh

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