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« Reply #18000 on: May 20, 2016, 10:11:36 PM »
You know what all this SJW nonsense reminds me of? The conservative Christian resurgence during the 1980s. A bunch of holier than thou types policing language and culture as means to seem righteous to their peers.

Except the pendulum is swinging to the authoritarian left rather than the authoritarian right.

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« Reply #18002 on: May 20, 2016, 10:22:34 PM »
You know what all this SJW nonsense reminds me of? The conservative Christian resurgence during the 1980s. A bunch of holier than thou types policing language and culture as means to seem righteous to their peers.

Except the pendulum is swinging to the authoritarian left rather than the authoritarian right.

I mean that's bad, but I'm gay so I'm much more fine with authoritarian left than right.

agrajag

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« Reply #18003 on: May 20, 2016, 10:37:56 PM »
You know what all this SJW nonsense reminds me of? The conservative Christian resurgence during the 1980s. A bunch of holier than thou types policing language and culture as means to seem righteous to their peers.

Except the pendulum is swinging to the authoritarian left rather than the authoritarian right.

So is it's ok to use the term SJW "unironically" here?

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« Reply #18004 on: May 20, 2016, 10:49:41 PM »
It makes sense Atra would be pro-GamerGate considering the lack of pussy he gets.

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« Reply #18005 on: May 20, 2016, 10:51:08 PM »
It makes sense Atra would be pro-GamerGate considering the lack of pussy he gets.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18006 on: May 20, 2016, 10:51:22 PM »
You know what all this SJW nonsense reminds me of? The conservative Christian resurgence during the 1980s. A bunch of holier than thou types policing language and culture as means to seem righteous to their peers.

Except the pendulum is swinging to the authoritarian left rather than the authoritarian right.

So is it's ok to use the term SJW "unironically" here?

Nobody here is going to get their feelings hurt over it.

Also, nobody here cares if somebody's feelings get hurt over it.
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« Reply #18007 on: May 20, 2016, 10:53:43 PM »
It's never OK to use it sincerely unless you're writing something akin to a Wikipedia article.

Atramental

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« Reply #18008 on: May 20, 2016, 10:58:12 PM »
You know what all this SJW nonsense reminds me of? The conservative Christian resurgence during the 1980s. A bunch of holier than thou types policing language and culture as means to seem righteous to their peers.

Except the pendulum is swinging to the authoritarian left rather than the authoritarian right.

So is it's ok to use the term SJW "unironically" here?

Sure. ¯\_(o_o)_/¯

I'm just using it as a blanket term for all the people on the internet who are too busy focusing on minor social injustices (offensive language) and completely ignoring all the major social injustices around the world. Sex trafficking, forced female circumcision, rape victims getting publicly whipped & shamed, homosexuals getting flung off the tops of buildings to their deaths, child brides, ethnic cleansing, etc.

It makes sense Atra would be pro-GamerGate considering the lack of pussy he gets.
I still don't know all the intricacies of being pro- or anti-GG. Plus, I get the two sides mixed up all the time.  :doge

I tried one time to demystify it all but my eyes glazed over when I reading some article about it and all I could think about was the pizza that was in my fridge.
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agrajag

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« Reply #18009 on: May 20, 2016, 11:13:45 PM »
You know what all this SJW nonsense reminds me of? The conservative Christian resurgence during the 1980s. A bunch of holier than thou types policing language and culture as means to seem righteous to their peers.

Except the pendulum is swinging to the authoritarian left rather than the authoritarian right.

So is it's ok to use the term SJW "unironically" here?

Sure. ¯\_(o_o)_/¯

I'm just using it as a blanket term for all the people on the internet who are too busy focusing on minor social injustices (offensive language) and completely ignoring all the major social injustices around the world. Sex trafficking, forced female circumcision, rape victims getting whipped, homosexuals getting flung off the tops of buildings to their deaths, child brides, ethnic cleansing, etc.


I think people that get all like butthurt when you use the term are exactly the people that it describes, and they know that, and they feel it's a personal attack against them. I mean, it's kind of ridiculous. They're like vegans, except their outrage is extrapolated to a whole bunch of different things. They see things in black and white terms, where if you use the word "SJW" that makes you sexist, racist, scum. I never understood what the objection to the term is. It's kind of a caricature of progressives, because these people act like a caricature, they ARE a caricature. When I think of the word warrior, what comes to my mind is "overzealous, crusades, weekend warrior." They make a mockery of their causes because they are a bunch of babies that constantly throw temper tantrums. That's my take. Maybe Karakand can explain why it's not ok. :yeshrug
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Tasty

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« Reply #18010 on: May 20, 2016, 11:18:53 PM »
I think equating a championing of progressive social evolution with "not caring about 'major problems of the world'" is disingenuous and a false equivalency.

There are people that care way too much about things, often to an embarrassing display, but that's always been the case on the internet.

Atramental

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« Reply #18011 on: May 20, 2016, 11:22:34 PM »
I agree. And I'm oversimplifying things because I got to be somewhere in a couple minutes.

agrajag

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« Reply #18012 on: May 20, 2016, 11:31:25 PM »
I think equating a championing of progressive social evolution with "not caring about 'major problems of the world'" is disingenuous and a false equivalency.

There are people that care way too much about things, often to an embarrassing display, but that's always been the case on the internet.

I think what irks a lot of people is that a lot of them do not come across as genuine. You have people like Liu Kang Baking A Pie that constantly try to one-up one another with how progressive they are and how much they want to fight for the oppressed. Like they're unlockng some sort of achievement the bigger they make their internet footprint.

I think they just come across as annoying, preachy, and as you said, embarrassing most of the time. They seem to lack a sense of humor (how could they have one, when they're so worried about not offending anyone all the time, and humor most of the time is at someone's expense), and aren't any fun to be around. You can't discuss anything with them if you don't preach to the choir. Their strength is in numbers and biased mods.

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« Reply #18013 on: May 20, 2016, 11:42:32 PM »
Anyways, posters being UPSET and ANGRY by the [big DC Rebirth spoiler] (specifically Bobby Roberts) are giving me life.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1222107

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« Reply #18014 on: May 21, 2016, 12:01:25 AM »
SJW is a meaningless epithet, akin to (but not the same as) Americans kvetching about "those goddamn liberals," when, to my knowledge, virtually all Americans subscribe to the basic tenets of liberalism and wish to see them preserved* in perpetuity. Just to show the drift of the term "social justice," when I was in university social justice was a euphemism for socialism (which is a historical use for the term), to the point where the campus socialism club was officially the Social Justice Club. (Its logo was the Socialist International's and not the tumblr.com logo.)

I don't think you're sexist, racist, or scum when you use that term earnestly, I think you're a person who is extremely angry about something** and in your anger you have opted to choose the lexical equivalent of two teenagers fumbling around in the back seat of a car (or however it is that teenagers awkwardly hook up these days) instead of articulating what exactly it is that's making you angry. Clumping trans advocates who "go to far" with other LGB advocates who "go to far" under the same grouping displays a comical ignorance of the way LGBT movements have been more than willing to trade away the advancement of people who are trans in cynical political calculus, to give a very basic example of how useless the term is and how imagined the grouping is.

*Unless you're a visible minority.

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Tasty

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« Reply #18015 on: May 21, 2016, 12:18:57 AM »
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1222143

HUELEN really loves throwing around "WE DID IT!"

I don't even know what it's referring to here.

We released a trailer? We made a movie? We got needlessly excited for something that looks absolutely terrible?

agrajag

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« Reply #18016 on: May 21, 2016, 12:33:18 AM »
So your contention with the term is that it was misappropriated? Or that it's generalizing too many groups of people? Your first paragraph seems to imply the former, your second the latter.

It doesn't really matter to me what words you use. You can replace it with Justice-Crusader, if you want. It's still a useful term to describe certain folks. I think if you think James Rolfe is sexist because he doesn't want to watch the new Ghostbusters movie, that's a pretty good litmus test. And I am pretty certain I could predict what other kind of views that person holds. Sure, I'm painting with a broad brush, but that's what humans do. Catch-all terms are a convenience.

As for you second paragraph, we can argue about that all day. You say it's an imaginary grouping, I don't think it is. You point out how people that are for advancement of certain causes are at odds with each other's agenda, but that's one of the very thing that makes these people so silly to me, they hold contradictory beliefs. The same people that will vehemently argue in one thread that male and female brains aren't wired differently (because thinking so would be sexist) will argue in another thread that a transgender person was born as a man with a female brain (I am over-simplifying, but you get the gist).

Anyway, I am rambling and I'm not sure if I'm making any sense. I clearly am not thinking about this on any kind of deep level, like you, and I'm ok with that. I'm ok with being ambivalent towards certain issues, and I'm ok with being only mildly sympathetic to some causes rather than actively involved. I just think some people are a bit over the top is all.

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« Reply #18017 on: May 21, 2016, 12:51:03 AM »
I'm not reading all this shit. All I know is that if you want to ban books or lazily throw around accusations about "cultural appropriation" I don't fuck with you.

Ghostbusters looks like trash, Dear White People isn't a good movie, Aziz Ansari isn't funny and tumblr is trash.
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« Reply #18018 on: May 21, 2016, 02:07:33 AM »
All the trailers for ghostbusters haven't been funny at all but I'm really hoping that this is just bad trailers and that it's a good movie like spy


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« Reply #18019 on: May 21, 2016, 02:14:08 AM »
The only reason I'd watch Ghostbusters 2016 would be for the cast. It looks dumb but I'll give it a shot when it hits pirate bay.  8)

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« Reply #18020 on: May 21, 2016, 03:16:23 AM »
The problem with "SJW" is that it has been adopted (and maybe coined) by alt-right / "gamergate" types and it's not totally unfair for someone you may be discussing to make the association and wonder if you're not lifting not only semantics but also part of their reasoning.
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« Reply #18021 on: May 21, 2016, 03:22:55 AM »
The problem with "SJW" is that it has been adopted (and maybe coined) by alt-right / "gamergate" types and it's not totally unfair for someone you may be discussing to make the association and wonder if you're not lifting not only semantics but also part of their reasoning.

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« Reply #18022 on: May 21, 2016, 04:22:39 AM »
Aziz Ansari is terrible.  He and Donald Glover fight it out to be the least funny popular comedian at the moment
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« Reply #18023 on: May 21, 2016, 04:52:24 AM »
SJW's got too much ugliness wrapped around it but there does need to be a term for the slacktivist commandos patrolling the Internet.
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« Reply #18024 on: May 21, 2016, 05:20:24 AM »
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The big one with women is losing the drive for self-improvement, since, if you're being pursued by men the way you are, then the way you are is perfect. By self-improvement, I'm more referring to inner growth, being less sensitive to criticism of your character.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204236683&postcount=312

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What flaws would you admit to women generally having? Would celebrity worship not be one of them? Would the desire for fame not be one of them? Would these flaws not contribute in any way to how girls who perceive themselves as popular treat those who aren't? I feel like I've basically been describing the plot of "Mean Girls" in this thread, and the entire forum has responded by plugging their ears and going "lalala."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204253615&postcount=408

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I'm saying this because I think it's in fact worse for society to vilify the pathetic "nice guy" more than the cruel "mean girl."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204254254&postcount=431

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Who said I'm angry at women? I'm sure there's a fair number of both types on either side, but I'd say your average man is more stupid in the social game and your average woman is more cruel.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204237871&postcount=317

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We take for granted that women are the recipients of unwanted attention. Is it really unfair to say that they are also often the ones withholding it? Sometimes intentionally? Sometimes with the intent of inflicting harm?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1221432&page=7

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« Reply #18025 on: May 21, 2016, 05:24:14 AM »
of course some woman hold it out

just like men

but not men like him

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« Reply #18026 on: May 21, 2016, 06:19:28 AM »
Aziz Ansari is terrible.  He and Donald Glover fight it out to be the least funny popular comedian at the moment
I'm gonna repeat myself a little bit louder!

I'm gonna repeat myself a little bit louder!

I'm gonna repeat myself a little bit louder!

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« Reply #18027 on: May 21, 2016, 07:18:06 AM »
I remember when a common GAF statement was "Came for Gaming. Stayed for the OT".

I don't know that works anymore.  At least in today's OT lol.  Sure gaming has it's fanboys, but it's actually not as hair pulling compared to the OT these days.

Even this metacommentary thread is mostly OT fuckery.

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« Reply #18028 on: May 21, 2016, 08:31:06 AM »
Anyways, posters being UPSET and ANGRY by the [big DC Rebirth spoiler] (specifically Bobby Roberts) are giving me life.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1222107

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh DC just loves to continue fucking that chicken with Moore. :lol

agrajag

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« Reply #18029 on: May 21, 2016, 08:37:55 AM »
I remember when a common GAF statement was "Came for Gaming. Stayed for the OT".

I don't know that works anymore.  At least in today's OT lol.  Sure gaming has it's fanboys, but it's actually not as hair pulling compared to the OT these days.

Even this metacommentary thread is mostly OT fuckery.

"Roll your eyes at Gaming, back away in shock and disbelief from OT."

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« Reply #18030 on: May 21, 2016, 08:52:46 AM »
I love threads about who takes who's name after marriage. Always reveals the diet misogynists who hide behind "tradition".

If i have to be last off the sinking ship, then you better take my name bitch.

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« Reply #18031 on: May 21, 2016, 09:32:30 AM »
So is it's ok to use the term SJW "unironically" here?
I think people that get all like butthurt when you use the term are exactly the people that it describes, and they know that, and they feel it's a personal attack against them. I mean, it's kind of ridiculous. They're like vegans, except their outrage is extrapolated to a whole bunch of different things. They see things in black and white terms, where if you use the word "SJW" that makes you sexist, racist, scum. I never understood what the objection to the term is. It's kind of a caricature of progressives, because these people act like a caricature, they ARE a caricature. When I think of the word warrior, what comes to my mind is "overzealous, crusades, weekend warrior." They make a mockery of their causes because they are a bunch of babies that constantly throw temper tantrums. That's my take. Maybe Karakand can explain why it's not ok. :yeshrug
SJW is a meaningless epithet, akin to (but not the same as) Americans kvetching about "those goddamn liberals," when, to my knowledge, virtually all Americans subscribe to the basic tenets of liberalism and wish to see them preserved* in perpetuity. Just to show the drift of the term "social justice," when I was in university social justice was a euphemism for socialism (which is a historical use for the term), to the point where the campus socialism club was officially the Social Justice Club. (Its logo was the Socialist International's and not the tumblr.com logo.)

I don't think you're sexist, racist, or scum when you use that term earnestly, I think you're a person who is extremely angry about something** and in your anger you have opted to choose the lexical equivalent of two teenagers fumbling around in the back seat of a car (or however it is that teenagers awkwardly hook up these days) instead of articulating what exactly it is that's making you angry. Clumping trans advocates who "go to far" with other LGB advocates who "go to far" under the same grouping displays a comical ignorance of the way LGBT movements have been more than willing to trade away the advancement of people who are trans in cynical political calculus, to give a very basic example of how useless the term is and how imagined the grouping is.

*Unless you're a visible minority.

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So your contention with the term is that it was misappropriated? Or that it's generalizing too many groups of people? Your first paragraph seems to imply the former, your second the latter.

It doesn't really matter to me what words you use. You can replace it with Justice-Crusader, if you want. It's still a useful term to describe certain folks. I think if you think James Rolfe is sexist because he doesn't want to watch the new Ghostbusters movie, that's a pretty good litmus test. And I am pretty certain I could predict what other kind of views that person holds. Sure, I'm painting with a broad brush, but that's what humans do. Catch-all terms are a convenience.

As for you second paragraph, we can argue about that all day. You say it's an imaginary grouping, I don't think it is. You point out how people that are for advancement of certain causes are at odds with each other's agenda, but that's one of the very thing that makes these people so silly to me, they hold contradictory beliefs. The same people that will vehemently argue in one thread that male and female brains aren't wired differently (because thinking so would be sexist) will argue in another thread that a transgender person was born as a man with a female brain (I am over-simplifying, but you get the gist).

Anyway, I am rambling and I'm not sure if I'm making any sense. I clearly am not thinking about this on any kind of deep level, like you, and I'm ok with that. I'm ok with being ambivalent towards certain issues, and I'm ok with being only mildly sympathetic to some causes rather than actively involved. I just think some people are a bit over the top is all.
The fact that this has to be discussed on this forum rather than simply known by all posters inherently is extremely problematic. The internet is for socially progressive discussion that leads to real world results not for sharing harmful and dangerous outbursts that undermine legitimate justice movements worldwide.

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« Reply #18032 on: May 21, 2016, 09:33:04 AM »
The fact that this has to be discussed on this forum rather than simply known by all posters inherently is extremely problematic. The internet is for socially progressive discussion that leads to real world results not for sharing harmful and dangerous outbursts that undermine legitimate justice movements worldwide.

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« Reply #18033 on: May 21, 2016, 09:39:03 AM »
I don't think you're sexist, racist, or scum when you use that term earnestly, I think you're a person who is extremely angry about something** and in your anger you have opted to choose the lexical equivalent of two teenagers fumbling around in the back seat of a car (or however it is that teenagers awkwardly hook up these days) instead of articulating what exactly it is that's making you angry.
Yeah, it's shorthand for "people I disagree with/don't understand". The German equivalent is Gutmensch and I think it has been around for longer than SJW, at least in popular usage. It's blasted all over comments sections for anyone or anything left-of center, as a kind of blanket dismissal. Just one of those totems people use to 'argue' against, instead of actually talking to people they disagree with.

The usual them-ing and they-in turned to eleven, because the internet makes it that much easier to spread drivel that one or the other side has said, has supposedly said, would say, would think, etc. etc. Two disconnected bubbles working themselves up over the other.

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« Reply #18034 on: May 21, 2016, 09:44:52 AM »
I disagree. I don't agree on a lot of things with the majority people here, and I've yet to call anyone a SJW on this board yet, and I doubt I ever will. I reserve it for very special individuals. And I'm left of center myself, does that blow your mind? People should stop using a "with us or against us" mentality.

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« Reply #18035 on: May 21, 2016, 09:50:07 AM »
And I'm left of center myself, does that blow your mind?
No, it doesn't, lovely. But from everything I've seen it is by far and away used most by alt-right types. Maybe my frequent visits to Reddit and 4chan are clouding my judgement there, but it's not an unreasonable assumption to make.

I wish people would stop with the "with us or against us" mentalitly too. :uguu

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« Reply #18036 on: May 21, 2016, 09:50:33 AM »
I love threads about who takes who's name after marriage. Always reveals the diet misogynists who hide behind "tradition".

I took my wifes name and she took mine

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« Reply #18037 on: May 21, 2016, 09:51:47 AM »
Aziz Ansari is a funny voice actor.

That's about it.

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« Reply #18038 on: May 21, 2016, 09:51:55 AM »
I love threads about who takes who's name after marriage. Always reveals the diet misogynists who hide behind "tradition".

I took my wifes name and she took mine

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I never even thought of that possibility. :ohhh
And it's by far the sweetest. Lager-kun... :uguu

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« Reply #18039 on: May 21, 2016, 10:00:37 AM »
And I'm left of center myself, does that blow your mind?
No, it doesn't, lovely. But from everything I've seen it is by far and away used most by alt-right types. Maybe my frequent visits to Reddit and 4chan are clouding my judgement there, but it's not an unreasonable assumption to make.

I wish people would stop with the "with us or against us" mentalitly too. :uguu

I could see that. To borrow a GAF staple, it's NOT a hill I'm willing to die on. I use the word interchangeably with idiot, basically. It's just not that big a deal to me. Now shall we debate the applicability of the word idiots to different groups that have mutually exclusive agendas and creating artificial groupings by calling those very different groups idiots?

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« Reply #18040 on: May 21, 2016, 10:03:50 AM »
Well, it is difficult to know the personal definitions of words people use. Haven't seen you around for long enough. I guess we can leave it at that.

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« Reply #18041 on: May 21, 2016, 10:08:43 AM »
I could see that. To borrow a GAF staple, it's NOT a hill I'm willing to die on. I use the word interchangeably with idiot, basically. It's just not that big a deal to me. Now shall we debate the applicability of the word idiots to different groups that have mutually exclusive agendas and creating artificial groupings by calling those very different groups idiots?
Using idiots in a derogatory manner is gross and raises all sorts of intersectionality issues. Some people can't help if they identify as idiots.

I wish people would stop with the "with us or against us" mentalitly too. :uguu
Typical "stop the 'with us or against us' mentality" or "continue the 'with us or against us' mentality" thinking.

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« Reply #18042 on: May 21, 2016, 10:09:09 AM »
I disagree. I don't agree on a lot of things with the majority people here, and I've yet to call anyone a SJW on this board yet, and I doubt I ever will. I reserve it for very special individuals. And I'm left of center myself, does that blow your mind? People should stop using a "with us or against us" mentality.

I would agree. 

My biggest beef with GG is the ridiculous witchunts and us against them mentality that it seems to have created on GAF in it's wake. 

To be clear, GG is pathetic and deserves shame. However, GAF is full posters crying GG for every little thing.  It's annoying beyond pale.  James Rolfe doesn't want to watch Ghostbusters--he's a gator!  Total Biscuit is a gator! People are dicks online. They're gators! Question Feminist Frequency's specious arguments. You're a gator!

I do think Anita's voice is needed and the harassment she's received is horrible, but you should be able to attack her reasoning without being branded a woman hater and dogpiled.

I mean, come the fuck on and use your brain. 

agrajag

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18043 on: May 21, 2016, 10:14:39 AM »
I disagree. I don't agree on a lot of things with the majority people here, and I've yet to call anyone a SJW on this board yet, and I doubt I ever will. I reserve it for very special individuals. And I'm left of center myself, does that blow your mind? People should stop using a "with us or against us" mentality.

I would agree. 

My biggest beef with GG is the ridiculous witchunts and us against them mentality that it seems to have created on GAF in it's wake. 

To be clear, GG is pathetic and deserves shame. However, GAF is full posters crying GG for every little thing.  It's annoying beyond pale.  James Rolfe doesn't want to watch Ghostbusters--he's a gator!  Total Biscuit is a gator! People are dicks online. They're gators! Question Feminist Frequency's specious arguments. You're a gator!

I do think Anita's voice is needed and the harassment she's received is horrible, but you should be able to attack her reasoning without being branded a woman hater and dogpiled.

I mean, come the fuck on and use your brain.

Yeah, the witch hunts both ways. MRA's and Gamergaters are a bunch of petulent children as well, I still to this day don't really know what the hell the GG movement is all about. Like, I looked it up, I read a bunch of wiki articles, and I still don't get it. Nor do I give that much of a fuck, I don't even play games anymore.  :(

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18044 on: May 21, 2016, 10:19:25 AM »
it's about ethics in vagina bones

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18045 on: May 21, 2016, 10:20:38 AM »
Check out this badass right here: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1222182

This guy would hate it in Flordia, we're really touchy-feely over here.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18046 on: May 21, 2016, 11:16:15 AM »
I mean, come the fuck on and use your brain.

Good luck and godspeed.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18047 on: May 21, 2016, 12:29:15 PM »
I don't think you're sexist, racist, or scum when you use that term earnestly, I think you're a person who is extremely angry about something** and in your anger you have opted to choose the lexical equivalent of two teenagers fumbling around in the back seat of a car (or however it is that teenagers awkwardly hook up these days) instead of articulating what exactly it is that's making you angry.
Yeah, it's shorthand for "people I disagree with/don't understand". The German equivalent is Gutmensch and I think it has been around for longer than SJW, at least in popular usage. It's blasted all over comments sections for anyone or anything left-of center, as a kind of blanket dismissal. Just one of those totems people use to 'argue' against, instead of actually talking to people they disagree with.

The usual them-ing and they-in turned to eleven, because the internet makes it that much easier to spread drivel that one or the other side has said, has supposedly said, would say, would think, etc. etc. Two disconnected bubbles working themselves up over the other.

"Gutmensch" has been around for a very long time, but it has a very specific meaning. It's not a blanket dismissal at all and has little to do with right or left - it's pretty much a term used to describe opponents of Realpolitik. It's about lobbying for/ demanding that the community does the morally "right" thing (or what they perceive as such) without thinking it through.

Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18048 on: May 21, 2016, 12:41:05 PM »
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18049 on: May 21, 2016, 12:43:06 PM »
I disagree. I don't agree on a lot of things with the majority people here, and I've yet to call anyone a SJW on this board yet, and I doubt I ever will. I reserve it for very special individuals. And I'm left of center myself, does that blow your mind? People should stop using a "with us or against us" mentality.

I would agree. 

My biggest beef with GG is the ridiculous witchunts and us against them mentality that it seems to have created on GAF in it's wake. 

To be clear, GG is pathetic and deserves shame. However, GAF is full posters crying GG for every little thing.  It's annoying beyond pale.  James Rolfe doesn't want to watch Ghostbusters--he's a gator!  Total Biscuit is a gator! People are dicks online. They're gators! Question Feminist Frequency's specious arguments. You're a gator!

I do think Anita's voice is needed and the harassment she's received is horrible, but you should be able to attack her reasoning without being branded a woman hater and dogpiled.

I mean, come the fuck on and use your brain.
Absolutely.   Too many GAFers want e-brownie points for dogpiling one perceived misstep outside of the accepted narrative.

What I will say in GAFs defense, the rest of the internet is the wild west.  Internet anonymity emboldens trolls/racists/misogynists in such a way that having open discussions (i.e. any comments section for almost any website) concerning race/gender/*insert hot button topic* are guaranteed to become toxic.   When it comes to a large, high profile community, a heavily moderated hugbox is almost needed to stop the sludge from creeping in.  I hate the way those communities operate and become echo chambers but I also understand the reasons they came to exist in the first place.  People were looking for a refuge

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18050 on: May 21, 2016, 12:55:30 PM »
I'd rather judge people by their history and general track record. Saying SJW unironically is not a problem if you are generally not the type to shit on women, minorities, hand wring about cucks etc. I'd use the term to make fun of people who say...get rustled over Blake Lively quoting rap lyrics. Like if that's the type of shit you feel "persecuted" over you can get the fuck outta here, because life is way harder than dealing with white people quoting rap. Or white people using memes that somehow belong to the Borg like entity that is "black culture."

If a white person who says "on fleek" results in you ranting about white supremecy, you fucking lost at life. Go read some James Baldwin and delete your Twitter account.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18051 on: May 21, 2016, 12:58:24 PM »
SJW's got to much ugliness wrapped around it but there does need to be a term for the slacktivist commandos patrolling the Internet.

I prefer the term "permatriggered": these people flit from thread to thread to express their outrage on any given topic.  They just want to be part of the in group, an opportunity they never get to have a chance with in real life.  When push comes to shove, they really don't care too much, which is why they never move past hashtag activism.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18052 on: May 21, 2016, 01:32:40 PM »
you assholes need to go outside and climb a tree or something christ
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18053 on: May 21, 2016, 01:51:33 PM »


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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18054 on: May 21, 2016, 02:13:39 PM »
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The big one with women is losing the drive for self-improvement, since, if you're being pursued by men the way you are, then the way you are is perfect. By self-improvement, I'm more referring to inner growth, being less sensitive to criticism of your character.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204236683&postcount=312

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What flaws would you admit to women generally having? Would celebrity worship not be one of them? Would the desire for fame not be one of them? Would these flaws not contribute in any way to how girls who perceive themselves as popular treat those who aren't? I feel like I've basically been describing the plot of "Mean Girls" in this thread, and the entire forum has responded by plugging their ears and going "lalala."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204253615&postcount=408

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I'm saying this because I think it's in fact worse for society to vilify the pathetic "nice guy" more than the cruel "mean girl."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204254254&postcount=431

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Who said I'm angry at women? I'm sure there's a fair number of both types on either side, but I'd say your average man is more stupid in the social game and your average woman is more cruel.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204237871&postcount=317

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We take for granted that women are the recipients of unwanted attention. Is it really unfair to say that they are also often the ones withholding it? Sometimes intentionally? Sometimes with the intent of inflicting harm?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1221432&page=7

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18055 on: May 21, 2016, 02:54:29 PM »
"Gutmensch" has been around for a very long time, but it has a very specific meaning. It's not a blanket dismissal at all and has little to do with right or left - it's pretty much a term used to describe opponents of Realpolitik. It's about lobbying for/ demanding that the community does the morally "right" thing (or what they perceive as such) without thinking it through.
I don't think we're disagreeing, as there's a big left-right divide with regards to pragmatism, regardless of whether it's correct or not.

There's also a an overlap with accusations of political correctness, cultural relativism, etc. Hardliners and self-proclaimed realists on one side, Gutmenschen and lefty nutters on the other. That's why I draw parallels to SJW as a term and it's usage. And not going to tell you to go torture yourself by Ctrl-F'ing for it in comments sections (because even I got fed up reading the same shit over, and over and over and over...), but I'm reasonably sure the situation is unchanged. Maybe even worse, considering the refugree situation and the current popularity of the AfD.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18056 on: May 21, 2016, 03:03:54 PM »
SJW is a meaningless epithet, akin to (but not the same as) Americans kvetching about "those goddamn liberals," when, to my knowledge, virtually all Americans subscribe to the basic tenets of liberalism and wish to see them preserved* in perpetuity. Just to show the drift of the term "social justice," when I was in university social justice was a euphemism for socialism (which is a historical use for the term), to the point where the campus socialism club was officially the Social Justice Club. (Its logo was the Socialist International's and not the tumblr.com logo.)

I don't think you're sexist, racist, or scum when you use that term earnestly, I think you're a person who is extremely angry about something** and in your anger you have opted to choose the lexical equivalent of two teenagers fumbling around in the back seat of a car (or however it is that teenagers awkwardly hook up these days) instead of articulating what exactly it is that's making you angry. Clumping trans advocates who "go to far" with other LGB advocates who "go to far" under the same grouping displays a comical ignorance of the way LGBT movements have been more than willing to trade away the advancement of people who are trans in cynical political calculus, to give a very basic example of how useless the term is and how imagined the grouping is.

*Unless you're a visible minority.

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Very astute and cause for self reflection.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18057 on: May 21, 2016, 03:08:28 PM »
Anyways, posters being UPSET and ANGRY by the [big DC Rebirth spoiler] (specifically Bobby Roberts) are giving me life.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1222107

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh DC just loves to continue fucking that chicken with Moore. :lol

I really enjoy Watchmen. I even liked the movie. Liked. And I never thought there was a way you could mess with something to make its original incantation worse. I only glanced at the individual Watchmen character issues from a couple years back. Now I'm a bit worried.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18058 on: May 21, 2016, 03:27:46 PM »
you assholes need to go outside and climb a tree or something christ
you mean like this guy

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #18059 on: May 21, 2016, 03:50:01 PM »
I don't think we're disagreeing, as there's a big left-right divide with regards to pragmatism, regardless of whether it's correct or not.

There's also a an overlap with accusations of political correctness, cultural relativism, etc. Hardliners and self-proclaimed realists on one side, Gutmenschen and lefty nutters on the other. That's why I draw parallels to SJW as a term and it's usage. And not going to tell you to go torture yourself by Ctrl-F'ing for it in comments sections (because even I got fed up reading the same shit over, and over and over and over...), but I'm reasonably sure the situation is unchanged. Maybe even worse, considering the refugree situation and the current popularity of the AfD.

Yeah, there is a pretty significant overlap, that's definitely true. And I agree that the term is often misused these days, especially considering that the AfD and their supporters are also mostly guided by ideologies, not pragmatism. We really need another Schmidt or Kohl...