The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

[thisismyusername]

Isnt that game like that? I still havent read a single review so have no clue

You explore, but there is no meaning. There is no "game" there. The only "game" there is pushing you to collecting things to fill bars so you can go to the next planet and do it all over again.

[studyguy]

Like it's some dumb ass game you fly around in space and chill yet people are having existential crisis over this shit not being all that.
I just don't get it. Were people expecting this to give them handies and fulfill their dreams or some shit?

[helios]

And when you get to the center of the galaxy, you start all over again.

[nachobro]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215366397&postcount=3302
 

[studyguy]

Is this like those dudes so mad at Suicide Squad being shit that they tried to shut down RT?

[thisismyusername]

Is this like those dudes so mad at Suicide Squad being shit that they tried to shut down RT?

Sort of, but more crazy because they bought into something that was clearly on a field full of red flags (just look at any Murray interview in the pre-launch phases. Notable: Colbert), whereas DCCU's stans are dumb because it's clear WB is fumbling but they're blaming the mass-market because the mass-market won't bite mindlessly on WB's mistakes.

Compare Ironman 1/stage-1 films to Man of Steel/DCCU's starting phase 1 that includes Suicide Squad and it's NIGHT AND DAY in terms of quality and "pop-corn flick/fun" themes between the two comic book houses trying to get into films.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I love this new Gaf versus Gaf argument style where both sides simply race to call the other oppressive and speak of harassment first. 

[zomgee]

I love this new Gaf versus Gaf argument style where both sides simply race to call the other oppressive and speak of harassment first.

It was inevitable. The 'ol fundamental attribution error in action.

[zepblackstar]

Holy shit, I haven't been on GAF much for a bit and NMS is a mess.

 It's not even about the game, but rather the petulant posters making their own threads and creating this type of 'anti-bullying' culture around the game.

 The attempt to paint fans as literally victims of bullying and shit must've spun out of control, because now mods are allowing whole threads dedicated to creating a 'positive atmosphere', as if these people are being oppressed and need reprieve.

 The whole point of strong moderation, which is what GAF is/was going for, is to take stuff like this off major boards. I only read one page and people are like publicly announcing that they're putting people on ignore.

 Between GAFfers feeling bullied because a list exists that points out their favorite game's flaws and EviLore doing nothing over tons of ad complaints, there's no wonder why the site's trending 50% of what it was when I finally joined.

Forget GAF. On reddit, /r/NMS had people Sending Death Threats to Kotaku and other places (or mass PMing people that didn't fall in line with group think "yeah, but what do you do?" being one that gets you called stupid or uninformed).

It's like I said yesterday: NMS stans are nothing but a death cult now. Soon they'll drink the Kool-aid that Sean Murray gives them and them (and hopefully he) will all die because they're stupid idiots that can't see they're getting worked up over a mislead videogame.

I initially assumed NMS was going to be a relaxing game where you go to different galaxies, explore, and participate in a multiplayer metagame of selling unique materials and saving people/planets/factions etc.

 It's just so shocking that something that seemed so innocent could be a breeding ground for these types of people.

 I was hoping that it would be either a really great game or a huge disappointment, but not like this.
--
 Be careful what you wish for brehs. 

Nah, This is exactly the type of game that attracts those types of hardcore ride or die fans. Its their hopes and dreams that must not be crushed.

[FStop7]

Isnt that game like that? I still havent read a single review so have no clue

Nope, there's no meaning.  There's no mapping.  There's no charting planets.  Even finding your way back to a planet you've previously visited can be pretty arduous.  It's not really exploration, it's just shallow observation.

[Tasty]

The only way to win at social media is not to play.  That's why my Facebook is the most boring shit ever and I never bother with Twitter or Instagram.

Instagram is pretty cool. If I could I'd probably leave every social media site except that one.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I love this new Gaf versus Gaf argument style where both sides simply race to call the other oppressive and speak of harassment first.

One could say that having a mod team that bans anyone pointed out to having a contrary opinion by the GAF equivalent to "mods help" which is quoting the person with said bad opinion and saying "wow" or something like that has ultimately lead to this "How can you disagree with me?! Stop harassing me!!" level of "discourse". One could say that. Or they could say it's Steven Youngblood's fault.

(my money is on the Youngblood tyrant)

[tiesto]

One of my coworkers is a big gamer who plays most every genre, and he's got a bit of Stockholm Syndrome with the game. Keeps on trying to convince me that "all the promised features are coming!". I still haven't tried the game myself, but we are both Comp Sci grads/developers so maybe that's why he appreciates it so much?

I've seen some pretty cool shit done with procedural generation. Like kkrieger, a procedurally-generated FPS demoscene game that's an under-100k download: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.kkrieger - but that's just that, a free demoscene title, not a game sold at $60 as the tentpole of a system's library.

[agrajag]

Eh, might not be that Murray oversold it. The employees could well have thought they were going to have something done by launch but didn't, and didn't say it to the boss. Happens in businesses all the time, could well have happened at HG too. Sean could just be like one of those bosses that doesn't get his hands dirty nor have an accurate idea of what his team is doing.

Poor Sean Murrayneux, it's not his fault guys. Murrayneux is just a victim.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215383614&postcount=3421

[Great Rumbler]

Hello Games is literally, like, a ten-person indie company. If you think Sean Murray didn't know exactly what the state of the game was at all times, then I really don't know what to say.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215396949&postcount=1

suck that corporate cock

[I'm a Puppy!]

And people seriously don't believe me when I tell them I've seen teams of people who's job it is to post on social media and forums about their company.

[Dennis]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215396949&postcount=1

suck that corporate cock

You know, I hope he really is getting paid for that.

It would be waaaaay sadder if he did it for free.

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215396949&postcount=1

suck that corporate cock

lmao

People aren't mad that you can buy bigger, pricier memory cards for the Vita. They're mad that a 64GB proprietary Sony memory card costs nearly 5x what a generic 64GB SD card costs.

[Momo]

It's just the same old razor-blade model, they just decided to make the razor peripherals instead of software. I can't imagine they had much confidence in software sales, hence doing this. I figure it Vita took off, software prices would have been adjusted and hardware prices would have been driven right down.

[bluemax]

Like it's some dumb ass game you fly around in space and chill yet people are having existential crisis over this shit not being all that.
I just don't get it. Were people expecting this to give them handies and fulfill their dreams or some shit?

Yes. And if you think these people are off their rockers try reading a Star Citizen reddit or whatever. At least people who stanned NMS only wasted $60 on it and not $60,000.

[Cerveza mas fina]

It's just the same old razor-blade model, they just decided to make the razor peripherals instead of software. I can't imagine they had much confidence in software sales, hence doing this. I figure it Vita took off, software prices would have been adjusted and hardware prices would have been driven right down.

I don't think so, look at PSP.

Sony is the devil with all their shitty propriety memory cards, like for camera's.

Yes. And if you think these people are off their rockers try reading a Star Citizen reddit or whatever. At least people who stanned NMS only wasted $60 on it and not $60,000.

I think Star Citizen will be/is a very differen train wreck. I mean anyone with a brain knew NMS won't have all those feautures with a skeleton crew making it. Star Citizen has so much backing it will be more of a messy euro jank fest with half baked and cut features instead of an empty shell.

[VomKriege]

Repeat from the dedicated thread in gaming, but Star Citizen "promises" are as ludicrous as NMS, even within the context of a game with healthy funding. For all the jesting though, Star Citizen at least has a public build and free fly weeks you can play for yourself.

[Momo]

I don't think so, look at PSP.

Sony is the devil with all their shitty propriety memory cards, like for camera's.

But both of these examples are exactly Sony razoring hardware because software sales are shit or non existant

[Cerveza mas fina]

Well PSP had good software sales to begin with I think with million sellers etc.

[Raist]

Seriously, that's all I wanted from that game.  Not even the multiplayer bit, though that would have been great.  Just actual exploration with some meaning.

What sort of meaning? What does "exploration" mean to you? It doesn't count if there's no one at the end of the path giving you something?

I'm genuinely asking btw.

[Rufus]

Seriously, that's all I wanted from that game.  Not even the multiplayer bit, though that would have been great.  Just actual exploration with some meaning.

What sort of meaning? What does "exploration" mean to you? It doesn't count if there's no one at the end of the path giving you something?

I'm genuinely asking btw.

The funny thing about this is that Murray essentially laughed off the very thing they ended up delivering.

[VomKriege]

Seriously, that's all I wanted from that game.  Not even the multiplayer bit, though that would have been great.  Just actual exploration with some meaning.

What sort of meaning? What does "exploration" mean to you? It doesn't count if there's no one at the end of the path giving you something?

I'm genuinely asking btw.

[Raist]

Seriously, that's all I wanted from that game.  Not even the multiplayer bit, though that would have been great.  Just actual exploration with some meaning.

What sort of meaning? What does "exploration" mean to you? It doesn't count if there's no one at the end of the path giving you something?

I'm genuinely asking btw.

The funny thing about this is that Murray essentially laughed off the very thing they ended up delivering.

I'm confused. You mean the "fake" thing about planet rotation?

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True I guess, you can't shoot the NPCs in the face (unless they're flying around). That's a very barbaric view of exploration though. I'm triggered.

[Rufus]

Seriously, that's all I wanted from that game.  Not even the multiplayer bit, though that would have been great.  Just actual exploration with some meaning.

What sort of meaning? What does "exploration" mean to you? It doesn't count if there's no one at the end of the path giving you something?

I'm genuinely asking btw.

The funny thing about this is that Murray essentially laughed off the very thing they ended up delivering.

I'm confused. You mean the "fake" thing about planet rotation?

Sorry, I was thinking this line of quotes was about the ending. The 'mystery' at the center of the galaxy.

[VomKriege]

True I guess, you can't shoot the NPCs in the face (unless they're flying around). That's a very barbaric view of exploration though. I'm triggered.

The european way !
In all seriousness, I get the impression NMS is trying to mimic scientific expeditions but does fell short and ends up being a hit & miss sightseeing generator. I suspect you need a lot more narrative and mechanic framing to it. It's not even remotely the same type of game, but FTL is a good exemple of RNG being put to good use in a space journey towards a goal. I don't know if there's a mod scene for it but you could probably conceivably expand quite a bit on the base game (longer journey, more ships, weapons and accessories, alien races, text events, cosmic settings...).

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215336902&postcount=116

For the west, they should replace the silver toy with a gun and you can shoot her in the head and watch her die (against her will even)
that seems to be more acceptable than jiggling breasts

 

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[Raist]

Sorry, I was thinking this line of quotes was about the ending. The 'mystery' at the center of the galaxy.

Ah, that one. Yeah, that's your typical super divisive ending. I can understand that people could think it's complete bullshit.
Considering the theme, I think it makes sense, personally.

I think the issue is that when he said "well if there's one goal in the game, it's to get to the center. There's something there. I can't say what", a lot of people started imagining god knows what. I have literally no idea what they were expecting to find. I kinda saw it coming, really.

I think it's just typical though. It's like, when whatever website says "zomg guys world premiere next monday. Plz click." some people think "HOLY SHIT HALF LIFE 3 WITH FREE COMPLIMENTARY BLOWJOBS FROM SCARJO". Or like, people who expect 6 new IPs, a $150 price cut and a first look at the next console at the Sony CES press conf.

It's like, people never learn. At this point I think they just want to be disappointed. Like, oh yes hurt me baby with your shitty Dark Souls t-shirt announcement.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I'm the resident sony stan bruv

[VomKriege]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=215411674

Steam pro consumer
Micro and small devs deserting PC for consoles
Balance between consumer & developer rights

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

And people seriously don't believe me when I tell them I've seen teams of people who's job it is to post on social media and forums about their company.

I don't know, I think most of these people are doing shilling for free, sadly.

[Raist]

I'm the resident sony stan bruv

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I'm sorry, are you talking to me?

I'm currently on orbit of planet Lulzspacediks - System Uwotm8. 1v1 me.

[Yulwei]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1271442&page=1

 

And here I thought even the most rabid Sonypony wouldn't defend the vita proprietary memory bs

-e oh this was posted already my bad

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215396949&postcount=1

suck that corporate cock

[I'm a Puppy!]

And people seriously don't believe me when I tell them I've seen teams of people who's job it is to post on social media and forums about their company.

I don't know, I think most of these people are doing shilling for free, sadly.

[Phoenix Dark]

There are GAFers who seem more excited/hyped about Sony financial reports than actual Sony execs do. They live vicariously through this shit.

[Take My Breh Away]

Speaking of Sony. Gran Turismo Sport got delayed (Shocking, I know). Various stages of grief being observed as some are bargaining it's now going to be a real GT 7 and others are now threatening to jump (To PC) 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1271527

[mormapope]

I'd say Sony has botched exclusive software completely this gen. Microsoft has always played it safe and that hasn't changed, quality is at least consistent though. Sony has played it safe and a lot of their shit has gotten worse.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Have to agree there so far nothing has panned out really to be that AAA game, except Bloodborne which is the best exclusive of this gen so far.

[Phoenix Dark]

And yet they're already planning on rolling out new hardware.

[king of the internet]

Exclusives don't really matter that much. An adult doesn't need more than one videogame system and the non-Nintendo systems all have enough games to play imo.

[studyguy]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1271631

 Pick up my shit breh

[mormapope]

Honestly, I don't pick up my dog's shit either.
 

He shits in bushes and corners next to the sidewalk next to a park.

[studyguy]

I usually take my dog out for a walk with my girl.
She just picks the dog's shit up since she's all about that.
I couldn't give less of a fuck. The few times I've done it, the dog just shits again after I tossed the bag so w/e.

[bork]

Depends on where it happens and the situation.  I usually pick it up though.

We used to have neighbors who would let their dogs run free, without leashes, and they'd shit all over the front yard area outside our condo.  That would piss me the fuck off because my dog would then not want to use that area to go, so we'd go elsewhere to avoid all the shit-landmines everywhere.

Fortunately, they moved.

[studyguy]

At the end of the day I shouldn't make excuses.
I just don't care. My dog is like 2lbs when soaking wet.
If you can find it's tiny shits then you get the prize.

 

[tiesto]

I'd say Sony has botched exclusive software completely this gen. Microsoft has always played it safe and that hasn't changed, quality is at least consistent though. Sony has played it safe and a lot of their shit has gotten worse.

Plenty of decent Japanese exclusives on the PS4 (or at least PS4/Vita cross ports). Hell, from what it's looking like, there's a good chance KH3 will be PS4-only (maybe NX?). MS exclusive games have taken a serious hit since the 360 gen. This is the first gen since the 8-bit era (no interest in the 7800) where I haven't owned the 3 big consoles since there's so little exclusive to the 'bone, nor is there any reason to buy multiplats on the weaker console...

[mormapope]

That has less to do with Sony and more to do with where audiences are. I'm talking about what Sony does with its studios or what they invest in.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215452341&postcount=5392

I imagine only a small percentage of those "mostly negative" reviews are based on what the users genuinely think of the game itself. Hello and Sean absolutely deserve to be called out on many things, but No Man's Sky is not a terrible game by any stretch of the imagination.

We demand developers have integrity yet we don't have it ourselves.

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215442051&postcount=566

The whole Gran Turismo fan narrative in a single post :

Maybe it's because things changed, maybe this stopgap GT was what they planned, but then decided to go full GT7 with this delay. Things do change during development. Maybe all the negativity that heaped up when they first showed the game with people talking down the graphics and sound really got to Kaz. He's a perfectionist, so perhaps he has decided to leave no stone unturned.

So that GT would release in a substandard fashion, where it would have a better chance of failing or where they would still complain that it's missing sound or they've eyed some 2D trees or cardboard cutout crowds or a fluctuating framerate with tearing. It's sad really that people just don't understand how ambitious GT is over other racers since everything is done in-house and that GT games have more features than other racers. GT is not a yearly copy-paste affair, much more work goes into it.

Pretty rich when they released GT5 1) very late and 2) filled to the brim with PS2 assets 
Also, it's not a fine cheese or a tailored suit : the whole "in house" thing is commendable but if it actually hinders development, Polyphony needs to either hire more people (I mean, they certainly can afford it and have probably work year round) or contract outside suppliers.

The whole "perfection, ambition & feature-complete" speech has rung hollow for a long time now. GT is now longer the only game in town and its latest iterations had a lot of problems.

[Let's Cyber]

I'd say Sony has botched exclusive software completely this gen. Microsoft has always played it safe and that hasn't changed, quality is at least consistent though. Sony has played it safe and a lot of their shit has gotten worse.

Some of this is still to be determined, honestly.  They've pissed away money on dumb shit (Powers) and their game exclusives haven't been stellar as a whole but a few home runs cover up a lot of the missteps, for better or worse.

We'll see how Horizon turns out, same with the new God of War.  It changes the entire the conversation a lot if either of those are GotY type material (I doubt Horizon will be that but I'm hopeful it will at least be fun).  Spiderman should be good, at least.   I can't imagine Insomniac fucking that up.  Days Gone is whatever

[Take My Breh Away]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215452341&postcount=5392

I imagine only a small percentage of those "mostly negative" reviews are based on what the users genuinely think of the game itself. Hello and Sean absolutely deserve to be called out on many things, but No Man's Sky is not a terrible game by any stretch of the imagination.

We demand developers have integrity yet we don't have it ourselves.

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215442051&postcount=566

The whole Gran Turismo fan narrative in a single post :

Maybe it's because things changed, maybe this stopgap GT was what they planned, but then decided to go full GT7 with this delay. Things do change during development. Maybe all the negativity that heaped up when they first showed the game with people talking down the graphics and sound really got to Kaz. He's a perfectionist, so perhaps he has decided to leave no stone unturned.

So that GT would release in a substandard fashion, where it would have a better chance of failing or where they would still complain that it's missing sound or they've eyed some 2D trees or cardboard cutout crowds or a fluctuating framerate with tearing. It's sad really that people just don't understand how ambitious GT is over other racers since everything is done in-house and that GT games have more features than other racers. GT is not a yearly copy-paste affair, much more work goes into it.

Pretty rich when they released GT5 1) very late and 2) filled to the brim with PS2 assets 
Also, it's not a fine cheese or a tailored suit : the whole "in house" thing is commendable but if it actually hinders development, Polyphony needs to either hire more people (I mean, they certainly can afford it and have probably work year round) or contract outside suppliers.

The whole "perfection, ambition & feature-complete" speech has rung hollow for a long time now. GT is now longer the only game in town and its latest iterations had a lot of problems.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215442549&postcount=569
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215455881&postcount=624

Get ethered and continue to make yourself look like a delusional ass, brehs

[Vertigo]

And people seriously don't believe me when I tell them I've seen teams of people who's job it is to post on social media and forums about their company.

I don't know, I think most of these people are doing shilling for free, sadly.

Case in point. Loudninja. This guy seems to love posting Sony PR releases. 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1271700

[demi]

I'd say Sony has botched exclusive software completely this gen. Microsoft has always played it safe and that hasn't changed, quality is at least consistent though. Sony has played it safe and a lot of their shit has gotten worse.

Plenty of decent Japanese exclusives on the PS4 (or at least PS4/Vita cross ports). Hell, from what it's looking like, there's a good chance KH3 will be PS4-only (maybe NX?). MS exclusive games have taken a serious hit since the 360 gen. This is the first gen since the 8-bit era (no interest in the 7800) where I haven't owned the 3 big consoles since there's so little exclusive to the 'bone, nor is there any reason to buy multiplats on the weaker console...

You've always been a disgusting weeb. What makes this gen. Last gen. Next gen any different.

[tiesto]

I'd say Sony has botched exclusive software completely this gen. Microsoft has always played it safe and that hasn't changed, quality is at least consistent though. Sony has played it safe and a lot of their shit has gotten worse.

Plenty of decent Japanese exclusives on the PS4 (or at least PS4/Vita cross ports). Hell, from what it's looking like, there's a good chance KH3 will be PS4-only (maybe NX?). MS exclusive games have taken a serious hit since the 360 gen. This is the first gen since the 8-bit era (no interest in the 7800) where I haven't owned the 3 big consoles since there's so little exclusive to the 'bone, nor is there any reason to buy multiplats on the weaker console...

You've always been a disgusting weeb. What makes this gen. Last gen. Next gen any different.

What makes last gen different is that last gen actually had some quality weeb bait either exclusive-to or better-performing on the MS console.

[mormapope]

Based on my research ( ) there's a lot more weeb stuff on the PSP/PS3/Vita than the PS4.

A lot of notable weeb games have or will get releases on steam as well. It makes more sense to have a Vita/PSTV and an okay PC to play JRPGs and other Japanese games nowadays. The PS4 itself did nothing for Japanese game development.

[tiesto]

Based on my research ( ) there's a lot more weeb stuff on the PSP/PS3/Vita than the PS4.

A lot of notable weeb games have or will get releases on steam as well. It makes more sense to have a Vita/PSTV and an okay PC to play JRPGs and other Japanese games nowadays. The PS4 itself did nothing for Japanese game development.

What Japanese games are exclusive to PC that aren't also on PS4 or Vita? And I do think there's more PS4 weeb stuff than PS3, especially at this point in the console's lifecycle (it was years before PS3 got a lot of niche JP games).

And also, the PS4 provides the few Japanese devs who still bother with HD console releases one of the only places to put their games, I'd imagine the fans of JP gaming in the states game much more on PS4 and WiiU than PC or Xbone.

[zomgee]

What's that one game where you try to fuck all the underage looking Japanese girls? Isn't that one PC exclusive?

Oh wait it's on Vita too.