The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

[archie4208]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3ulh3l/a_dota_2_pro_player_gets_physically_assaulted_by/

Esports are serious business. 

[Dennis]

Esport beef

 

[thisismyusername]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3ulh3l/a_dota_2_pro_player_gets_physically_assaulted_by/

Esports are serious business. 

CS:GO getting physical.

Does this mean the FGC is "Yo #eSports" now?

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1147520

Never liked Deen, skeeved me the fuck out, turns out he's a rapist...

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Isn't this guy BrandNew's hero?

[Yulwei]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3ulh3l/a_dota_2_pro_player_gets_physically_assaulted_by/

Esports are serious business. 

 

[Shadow Mod]

Isn't this guy BrandNew's hero?

Ferrara > *

Lord help me if it turns out he's a shithead too.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1146773

This thread is full of laughs

Isn't this guy BrandNew's hero?

Ferrara > *

Lord help me if it turns out he's a shithead too.

There was an episode of DVDASA where Asa Akira said Ferrara was one of her favorite guys in the business.  So I assume he's halfway decent.

She also said it takes a lot of effort to get Mandingo's dick sufficiently hard enough to shoot a scene (sorry PD)

[Shadow Mod]

If you went by that site you'd think women are an endangered species.

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/BROrayn/status/670507848783306753

[Tasty]

https://twitter.com/BROrayn/status/670507848783306753

[Phoenix Dark]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3ulh3l/a_dota_2_pro_player_gets_physically_assaulted_by/

Esports are serious business. 

she was the worst fucking SC2 commentator/personality

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/BROrayn/status/670507848783306753

I just checked his Twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/BROrayn/status/670507274998308864

https://twitter.com/BROrayn/status/670504133737259008 (Not NeoGAF related. Still funny.)

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187124222&postcount=277

We just want him to enjoy in moderation and not 24 hr gaming sessions when you're visiting family you see 2-3 times a year

So you see him 2 or 3 times a year and this is how you treat him?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187129088&postcount=292

Guy is 20 man, nothing wrong with him,

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187117277&postcount=217

Are you trying to throw around personal insults towards gamers on a gaming forum? Jesus.

That compulsion to look for a thread backfire at any length is one of the worst things about Gaf.

[Sman]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1147520

Never liked Deen, skeeved me the fuck out, turns out he's a rapist...

The amount of people asking if there's a video is suspicious. I don't think some of them are interested in prosecuting Deen.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187148364&postcount=207

[Yulwei]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187148364&postcount=207

that guy has issues btw

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86906956&postcount=94

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187148364&postcount=207

that guy has issues btw

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86906956&postcount=94

Better than beating your SO I guess...

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187148364&postcount=207

that guy has issues btw

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86906956&postcount=94

Better than beating your SO I guess...

Who knows, maybe he did that while yelling "SEPHIROTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187155555&postcount=393

[FStop7]

Lotta people concern trolling over the possibility of James Deen's honor being besmirched by a libelous devil-woman in spite of the fact Stoya is the one receiving support from people who are (were) also close to Deen. 

[VomKriege]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=187096883

Adding a ton of characters to keep your crowdfunding running sounds like a recipe for disaster. Aren't they 2D ? It's cold but no wonder you're struggling as a company.

[thisismyusername]

Adding a ton of characters to keep your crowdfunding running sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Eh, they've been trudging along with this extension. They're 300,000 away. I'm not sure if it'll be funded (it probably will?) but the fact that with 6 days left from a 10 day extension they've only done like 300,000 extra isn't really inspiring confidence.

But their major blunder was not putting a Steam version up first of the prototype and only doing it after like a week or two from the PS4 release. PS4 owners aren't usually the type to be crowdfunding titles.

[mormapope]

Jesus christ that Stoya thread.

This isn't Monday Night Rapeball, there isn't a winner and loser here. Stoya was probably raped by Deen, its terrible and there's nothing that doesn't make it terrible.

[VomKriege]

I meant for the actual development of the game. He's saying they're biting on all the cost for those additions... And 2D animation is heavy duty.

As for the funding itself it's up in the air. They need a big final push but they may have already taped dry their source. There was a big surge to reach the floor to make the project eligible for extension.

[benjipwns]

Jesus christ that Stoya thread.

This isn't Monday Night Rapeball, there isn't a winner and loser here. Stoya was probably raped by Deen, its terrible and there's nothing that doesn't make it terrible.

Uh, no. One, the only evidence is a tweet, she's posted no proof and hasn't gone to the police, she's opened herself up to a massive HUGE libel lawsuit if she doesn't have 100% concrete proof with no other explanation. Two, she's made lots of porn, including with him on her OWN website, where there's rough sex and domination so clearly she was asking for it and is trying to profit off the controversy, the greedy dirty slut, like most females. Three, the important thing here is protecting the BDSM community from even more bigotry against it on the internet.

Five, we can't rule out the possibility that she might have said something negative about Star Wars while wearing nerd glasses once.

[benjipwns]

Uh, no. One, the only evidence is a tweet, she's posted no proof and hasn't gone to the police, she's opened herself up to a massive HUGE libel lawsuit if she doesn't have 100% concrete proof with no other explanation. Two, she's made lots of porn, including with him on her OWN website, where there's rough sex and domination so clearly she was asking for it and is trying to profit off the controversy, the greedy dirty slut, like most females. Three, the important thing here is protecting the BDSM community from even more bigotry against it on the internet.

Five, we can't rule out the possibility that she might have said something negative about Star Wars while wearing nerd glasses once.

There...are...FOUR...LIGHTS!

[daycru]

Identity Politics: The Game isn't really in hot demand. "We put fat thighs in this one!" is only good for reblogs.

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187155555&postcount=393

(Image removed from quote.)

That thread is nothing but a toxic stew of trolls, MRAs, hyper-feminists, rubberneckers, concern trolls, "neutral" bystanders, and porn enthusiasts worried about how this will affect their boner.

I haven't actually read the thread, by the way.

[ILikePizza]

that guy has issues btw

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86906956&postcount=94

Devil May Cry 4
Echidna boss-fight on DMD. Didn't get SSS-ranking and decided to punch my teeth so hard that one tooth broke. Also destroyed a DS3.

The fuck man

[Shadow Mod]

lol at that "legal process" shit

fucking shelters goobers showing their ass again

It's misinformed, because statistics range from 2%-40% depending on your bias of the argument.

false accusation crowd concern trolling hard

These people think that you can easily press charges and have the cops take seriously a incident of rape between you and an intimate partner. First of all, most women will be in shock and unable to just up and go to the police right after it happens. And even then, what, all you can prove is sex happened unless there's really bad internal and external bruising. Prosecution ain't touching what is he/said she said and that's if the cops haven't already slut shamed your ass and laughed you out of the building.

All these fucking dipshits think they've got the market cornered on common sense and they don't know a god damn thing.

[I'm a Puppy!]

<gaf pre-accusation>
"Stoya is great! She's so empowered and sexy and smart! Did you see that pic of her reading Tolstoy? What a woman!"
<Post accusation>
"Why would that stupid bitch say such lies?"

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187186770&postcount=480

I'm sexually a prude, so these may sound like dumb questions but I really don't know. Is Stoya talking about two people having sex, and then one person doing acts that the other person didn't agree to?

To me that seems very different than rape, which I equate with forcing someone to have sex against their will. Maybe its the same thing, but Cosby drugging women and then having sex with them seems different than two people having sex and then one deciding they really want anal (as an example) and the other doesn't. I totally agree that its not right but does it fall under the definition of rape? Do I misunderstand the word rape?

Dude is going to get pounced on but this is the world a bunch of us have to navigate and what has actually happened to people, forced sodomy without consent.

[zepblackstar]

that guy has issues btw

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86906956&postcount=94

Devil May Cry 4
Echidna boss-fight on DMD. Didn't get SSS-ranking and decided to punch my teeth so hard that one tooth broke. Also destroyed a DS3.

The fuck man

World of Warcraft
PVP-server, Alterac Mountains... fucking Undead kept following me into this cave and eventually killed me. I punched my laptop that I had gotten free from school so fiercely - I destroyed it. Also: lots of keyboards, and a Steelseries mousepad

This fool got issues....

[brob]

I appreciate yoshi because unlike other gaffers he always manages to perform his insanity in entertaining ways.

[demi]

ATE THE COVER LMFAO

Can you image this guy just rabidly chowing on a Borderlands cover IM CRYING

[Rufus]

If you don't snap out of it during that, then you better be in anger managment therapy.

[VomKriege]

Not to play Devil's advocate, but I can understand some of the unease about the Stoya claim. It is always a bit weird to see such a grave thing being brought up amidst the flow of mundane, useless noise of social media and there's a sense you get forcibly brought as a witness on an purely raw emotional level with no context or details in a worldwide court of public opinion.

I don't say that to cast any doubt on what she said or even to dispute her choice to disclose it in this manner (we know that for a variety of reasons rape is not the easiest crime to get through due process) but it's not totally unreasonable to try to approach the question with some distance.

On a more light hearted note : what the fuck is going on with those horrible Mortal Kombat characters verb noun gaffers having a spat on the subject ? Where did that shitty name trend came from ?

[El Babua]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1147827

 

[Shadow Mod]

/shrug

The amount of "well this is unsettling" we've managed to shelter ourselves from, is why shit like this is so "surprising" to people.

It's a thing that's needed a public dialogue for a long time but no one's willing to do it.

I've hit a stage in my life where practically every woman telling me she's either been raped or had to excuse herself from a volatile situation, so I'm not really keen on the continual ignorance that persists with this issue. Then you got assholes who consistently come out of the word work who project playing a video game onto real life, as if this action just gets solved and cleared up by merely visiting the police. How many times do victims have to tell people they went to the police only to be told nothing could be done, or insinuated they were some kind of slut that had morning after regrets. How many times has the psychological affects of someone who is supposed to love you and that you trust violating you in the worst way possible need to be explained?

Shit it didn't take till the 90s for marital rape to be completely outlawed in all 50 states. That means you got cops who worked when spouses could basically rape each other with no punishment what so ever.

Like I'm sorry what's a really shitty reality for women the world over made you feel a sad.

[Stoney Mason]

Without stepping on toes, I'm generally more comfortable when these things get tried in a court of law. Which is not to restrict anybody's right to say whatever they want whenever they want. But there have been cases where people are falsely accused of things. It is possible. Which again is different than saying something like the majority of women are lying in these situations.

My issue is more improving the laws and getting more women to report if it is the case. That's far more helpful imo than people generally just tossing these things out in the public arena.

[Shadow Mod]

Without stepping on toes, I'm generally more comfortable when these things get tried in a court of law. Which is not to restrict anybody's right to say whatever they want whenever they want. But there have been cases where people are falsely accused of things. It is possible. Which again is different than saying something like the majority of women are lying in these situations.

My issue is more improving the laws and getting more women to report if it is the case. That's far more helpful imo than people generally just tossing these things out in the public arena.

I frankly don't agree with this anymore for a myriad of reasons. If Cosby wasn't outed we'd never even know how much shit he pulled because the cops did fuck all and the people surrounding him aided and abetted in his crimes or at the very least looked the other way.

There's definitely a pattern of protecting cash cows and putting all of the onus on the victims to out these pricks. And they often do and suffer all the more for it.

[Stoney Mason]

That's fine but there are also dudes who have gone to jail on false charges. So I don't really think there is moral high ground on either case. I'd just like to see things improved about the laws and prosecution in general.

[VomKriege]

It's not about being sad, it's about being worried of a world which fosters immediate, instant & emotional responses (which is typically what Twitter is, regardless of whatever prompted Stoya to speak). I think it's rather normal and sensible for us bystanders/peons to take some time to process and reflect on such a claim.

[Shadow Mod]

It's not really laws and prosecution, you'd have to start with the cops who handle these cases and you know shit like this:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/us/kentucky-rape-kits-untested/

There has never been a priority to take rape seriously so why is the onus consistently on victims to work within the confines of a broken system rather than warn other people since justice will more than likely be denied to them and the rapist will walk free.

[brob]

It's not about being sad, it's about being worried of a world which fosters immediate, instant & emotional responses (which is typically what Twitter is, regardless of whatever prompted Stoya to speak). I think it's rather normal and sensible for us bystanders/peons to take some time to process and reflect on such a claim.

Taking for granted that we agree that the law doesn't protect people from sexual violence, it  is only reasonable that people organize themselves and take steps to protect themselves. Warning others of known abusers and creating networks for support, etc. There is generally a lot of push-back against these sorts of things mainly because dudes get wild emotional. So Stoya talking about this on twitter seems the correct approach imo.

And given the high likelihood of police boorishness ending in re-traumatization and apathy, I don't think I would ever recommend anyone report a rape to the police.

[Shadow Mod]

All one has to do is just look at the backlog of untested rapekits and ask themselves if that's a system that gives a flying fuck about prosecuting rapists.

[Alcoholic Fish]

/shrug

The amount of "well this is unsettling" we've managed to shelter ourselves from, is why shit like this is so "surprising" to people.

It's a thing that's needed a public dialogue for a long time but no one's willing to do it.

I've hit a stage in my life where practically every woman telling me she's either been raped or had to excuse herself from a volatile situation, so I'm not really keen on the continual ignorance that persists with this issue. Then you got assholes who consistently come out of the word work who project playing a video game onto real life, as if this action just gets solved and cleared up by merely visiting the police. How many times do victims have to tell people they went to the police only to be told nothing could be done, or insinuated they were some kind of slut that had morning after regrets. How many times has the psychological affects of someone who is supposed to love you and that you trust violating you in the worst way possible need to be explained?

Shit it didn't take till the 90s for marital rape to be completely outlawed in all 50 states. That means you got cops who worked when spouses could basically rape each other with no punishment what so ever.

Like I'm sorry what's a really shitty reality for women the world over made you feel a sad.

We got people out here thinking life is an SVU episode.

[Shadow Mod]

I do wonder what Benson/Stabler/SVU statistics are for charges brought/conviction rates when compared to real life.

[VomKriege]

It's not about being sad, it's about being worried of a world which fosters immediate, instant & emotional responses (which is typically what Twitter is, regardless of whatever prompted Stoya to speak). I think it's rather normal and sensible for us bystanders/peons to take some time to process and reflect on such a claim.

Taking for granted that we agree that the law doesn't protect people from sexual violence, it  is only reasonable that people organize themselves and take steps to protect themselves. Warning others of known abusers and creating networks for support, etc. There is generally a lot of push-back against these sorts of things mainly because dudes get wild emotional. And given the high likelihood of police boorishness ending in re-traumatization and apathy, I don't think I would ever recommend anyone report a rape to the police.

I am really not disputing that. A proper court would be the best but we all know that it is not functioning as well as it should as of now with regards to those type or crimes (and even if it would, rapes are notoriously cases where material proof is hard to come by). As I said, I'm not really pondering the claim by Stoya herself and how she decided to carry it out. Public outing needs to start somewhere and a culture where a victim can speak up is to be encouraged. My post was only a comment on the reactions to that, really.

TLDR : I know "wait for the full story" is sometimes used as a rhetorical argument, but it's not totally without value less than 48 hours in of the start of the controversy.

[brob]

I am really not disputing that. A proper court would be the best but we all know that it is not functioning as well as it should as of now with regards to those type or crimes (and even if it would, rapes are notoriously cases where material proof is hard to come by). As I said, I'm not really pondering the claim by Stoya herself and how she decided to carry it out. Public outing needs to start somewhere and a culture where a victim can speak up is to be encouraged. My post was only a comment on the reactions to that, really.

TLDR : I know "wait for the full story" is sometimes used as a rhetorical argument, but it's not totally without value less than 48 hours in of the start of the controversy.

Given that material proof like untested rape kits that are destroyed due to apathy and carelessness, I don't think it's even worthwhile to discuss the hypothetical difficulties involved in proving criminal liability in a court of law. Put aside the Court Of Law framework and think instead of how people are organizing to better protect themselves and others. Being able to speak openly and have people support you is basically the only way to deal with this issue. The goal is safety rather than punishment.

[thisismyusername]

I do wonder what Benson/Stabler/SVU statistics are for charges brought/conviction rates when compared to real life.

...Damn, wikipedia doesn't have that. I figured they would.

[recursivelyenumerable]

Wait, the current Tabris is the same as the Xenogears superfan? I thought the username was familiar but wasn't sure. Is he trying to play the role of Kahran Ramsus? 

[benjipwns]

I do wonder what Benson/Stabler/SVU statistics are for charges brought/conviction rates when compared to real life.

...Damn, wikipedia doesn't have that. I figured they would.

Not SVU but: http://www.overthinkingit.com/2012/11/13/the-law-and-order-database-all-20-seasons/

[tiesto]

Wait, the current Tabris is the same as the Xenogears superfan? I thought the username was familiar but wasn't sure. Is he trying to play the role of Kahran Ramsus? 

I'm pretty sure it's the same guy since the name (and the apartment) rings a bell from the RPG threads back in the day.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187148364&postcount=207

that guy has issues btw

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86906956&postcount=94

He also spent $1000 to create an in-game item in Path Of Exile. We laugh about a lot of nerds but I don't think anyone comes close to Yoshi in terms of obsessive gaming (as in 40+ hours a week depending on if he's  binging) or the financial commitments.

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187232763&postcount=639

the fact she mentions a safe word makes me think it could have been a role play scenario gone completely wrong, which is an extremely gray area.

 

I know this username

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=433252

Hasn't progressed I see...

[Faction]

Not touching that thread with a ten foot pole.  People are going to jump through hoops to find a way to force the narrative of 'false accusations' or just straight up pretending shit like that doesn't happen so they can feel better about themselves no matter what you say.  I've stopped trying on Gaf.  Just leads to general fuckery since I've been 'outted' as a victim. 

Also, the misinformation about BDSM and roleplay makes me once again want to make a sex ed thread.  Fucking hell people. Porn is not real life.

[Phoenix Dark]

Lex and Mandingo would never rape anyone.

James Deen