The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

[Kara]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1138109

Ew.  Just ew.  To all of it.

Loudninja thread? Loudninja thread.

[brawndolicious]

I personally loved the Metroid Prime combat but it takes like an hour to get why it's good. In MP games you don't have to aim because of lock on targeting but instead you dodge everything being shot at you which makes sense with a single player game where you have no allied AI to draw fire. Dodging around and timing your shots while monitoring your health, missiles, and beam type is tense especially when you have multiple enemies and some of them require switching visors to lock on to them.

And anyone here who played Halo or Battlefield with me can tell you that I'm good at traditional FPS but that game really did a good job with mechanics that are totally different.

[mormapope]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1138109

Ew.  Just ew.  To all of it.

Loudninja thread? Loudninja thread.

The feeling when hate for a non popular, but prominent forum user is mutual.
 

[Steve Youngblood]

Metroid Prime had great combat. Stop smoking crack. That's part of the reason it's top 5 of its generation.

SOTN does have the GOAT vidya soundtrack though.

One of the more surreal moments for me recently was hearing this song over the speakers at the Six Flags entrance gate.

[FStop7]

Applying a western lens to judge eastern culture wiffs of imperialism.

The pedo's creed: when in doubt, scream oppression

[Jansen]

xseed dude got bant

It isn't. If I may be perfectly honest (and speak entirely for myself, not representing XSEED in even the remotest way), I'd prefer there exist no ratings board whatsoever, that no platform-holder ever turned down any game for any reason, and that no content was ever denied from existing in any work of art, no matter how reprehensible it may be.

In other words, I hope one day for complete, worldwide artistic anarchy.

I don't believe any art should ever be considered taboo, nor that anyone -- regardless of age or sensitivity -- should ever be restricted from viewing any work of art.

I believe that the mere existence of taboos is what causes most of society's problems -- if we were completely frank and open and exposed everyone to every aspect of the human condition from the very day they could learn to comprehend it all, I firmly believe the world would be a better place. Half of all crime is spawned by those who know they're doing something "naughty" or "forbidden" and get a rush from doing so... but if nothing were naughty or forbidden or taboo, there would be no rush, and therefore -- in my own armchair philosophy, at least -- there would be less inclination to commit crimes.

I know this is entirely impractical, but I am an idealist of sorts, and I will continue to do everything in my power to work toward this ideal of a world in which, quite literally, nothing is sacred.

-Tom

from 2014 

[octopushover]

lol, i got permed because i don't like cards against humanity.

You have been banned for the following reason:
You were on perm warning for being a jerk and a troll, and decided to be a jerk and a troll again. Enjoy other forums. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1138157

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

no offense to the mod who did it, but the people in that thread were being bigger jerks than i was.

[mormapope]

I thought your kids with ass cancer remark was funny 

You ruffled a lot of feathers in there. Cards Against Humanity is just Apples to Apples with less of a handicap to make people laugh.

[Kara]

RIP Stet :'(

Feel like Dylan when his dad got blown up. :'(

[octopushover]

RIP Stet :'(

Feel like Dylan when his dad got blown up. :'(

Less likely that I'll be given a second chance like his dad tho

[VomKriege]

xseed dude got bant

 

[VomKriege]

Oh you're Stet ?
Good job on your post in the thread about the guy thinking his roomate GF was hitting on him. 

[Kara]

RIP Stet :'(

Feel like Dylan when his dad got blown up. :'(

Less likely that I'll be given a second chance like his dad tho

wow spoilers

Why don't you tell everyone about how Donna orders head cheese unintentionally in France while you're at it.

[octopushover]

RIP Stet :'(

Feel like Dylan when his dad got blown up. :'(

Less likely that I'll be given a second chance like his dad tho

wow spoilers

Why don't you tell everyone about how Donna orders head cheese unintentionally in France while you're at it.

Confession: I once made a .gif of that scene.

[bluemax]

People talking about combat in a Metroid game are why all these ninthing indie devs are making SUPER METROID X DARK SOULS because they completely miss what Metroid is about.

[Jansen]

xseed dude got bant

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184891733&postcount=1310

Even if you consider content in a game to be perverted and classless... let the classless perverts have it! They deserve to enjoy their games just as much as the rest of us. And to say that it "taints" the game for the rest of us is no different than saying having someone of a different race, or sexual orientation, taints the neighborhood.

 

Now they just need to ban Mauricio_Magus

[mormapope]

People talking about combat in a Metroid game are why all these ninthing indie devs are making SUPER METROID X DARK SOULS because they completely miss what Metroid is about.

Dude you have to describe their games better than this, in no way does Dark Souls mend into the 2D perspective at all. If someone says their 2D game is inspired by Dark Souls, that means next to nothing since the Souls series revolves around combat in a 3D space.

If game devs making 2D Metroidvania games tell you their game takes inspiration from Dark Souls, call them out on that shit because it makes no sense.

[qq more]

People talking about combat in a Metroid game are why all these ninthing indie devs are making SUPER METROID X DARK SOULS because they completely miss what Metroid is about.

Reminds me of the whole Zelda should be like Skyrim thing. 

[Joe Molotov]

taints

[mormapope]

Reminds me of the whole Zelda should be like Skyrim thing. 

The people behind the new Zelda said they were inspired by Skyrim and games like Skyrim though.

[qq more]

Reminds me of the whole Zelda should be like Skyrim thing. 

The people behind the new Zelda said they were inspired by Skyrim and games like Skyrim though.

I think they just meant the fact it's open world, right? I recalled recently they are still going to do things their own way or something to that effect.

[Kara]

RIP Stet :'(

Feel like Dylan when his dad got blown up. :'(

Less likely that I'll be given a second chance like his dad tho

wow spoilers

Why don't you tell everyone about how Donna orders head cheese unintentionally in France while you're at it.

Confession: I once made a .gif of that scene.

When she beckons the garçon over with her finger? I got that off a tumblr.

Very GIFable show still imo.

[FStop7]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1138079

Why? Were you promised you could play as a character of any race? Do you only play campaigns where you can choose your race?

The protagonist is simply "the Player", and Treyarch decided he or she is white. Get over it. Not every character has to be customizable.

This is once again a case of over reacting. I'm white though, so I guess my opinion could be skewed (it's not).

 

Not it's not, that's how they've designed it. Where do you stop if you put black characters in? Asians too? etc etc... The dev time would have increased having to cater for shitloads of variations. Seriously, mountain out of a molehill.

OMG the horror!  Asians, too???  Fuck that shit!  Where does this madness end?!?!?!


On the topic of XSEED, doesn't H. Protag work for them?  How does that work? 

[mormapope]

Isn't it enough that the game is called Black Ops? That's plenty of representation.

[Kara]

If you ask them to have people of color what's next, otherkin? They have to draw the line somewhere and the line they drew just so happens to perpetuate normative standards rooted in white hegemony. nbd.

[octopushover]

RIP Stet :'(

Feel like Dylan when his dad got blown up. :'(

Less likely that I'll be given a second chance like his dad tho

wow spoilers

Why don't you tell everyone about how Donna orders head cheese unintentionally in France while you're at it.

Confession: I once made a .gif of that scene.

When she beckons the garçon over with her finger? I got that off a tumblr.

Very GIFable show still imo.

Thank god for tumblr.

[FStop7]

If you ask them to have people of color what's next, otherkin? They have to draw the line somewhere and the line they drew just so happens to perpetuate normative standards rooted in white hegemony. nbd.

I don't know what otherkin is and I'm afraid to GIS it at work, so I'm going to pretend its like Ents and shit and yeah I'd love to play COD as a sentient tree.

[Mods Help]

SOTN > every Metroid

also Steve one time I went to a mall halloween shop during the halloween season and they were playing the castlevania sotn soundtrack. It was weird mix of "i know this" and "what the christ."

[Kara]

If you ask them to have people of color what's next, otherkin? They have to draw the line somewhere and the line they drew just so happens to perpetuate normative standards rooted in white hegemony. nbd.

I don't know what otherkin is and I'm afraid to GIS it at work, so I'm going to pretend its like Ents and shit and yeah I'd love to play COD as a sentient tree.

Someone who doesn't identify as human. Come with me down the rabbit hole of subcultures.

[Phoenix Dark]

Metroid Prime

disregard a classic, brehs. The immersive world, true sense of exploration, and the music...whew. Add in some challenging boss fights as well as challenging normal enemies? Whew.

haters gonna hate

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184906304&postcount=12

At least he did, good. He still lives through his kid or kids.

If he didn't have any it would be way more sad.

Hell I'm 32 and don't have any yet.

 

Measure someone's worth or why their death is depressing by their ability to procreate before it happened brehs.

[meeb]

Jesus Christ did that guy not see Perfect Blue? It was the Japanese criticizing idol culture pretty much the same way the "western" eye did.

The thing these people miss when they argue "oh it's just your western prudes" is that these things aren't exactly looked great upon in Japan themselves.

Perfect Blue was confusing as fuck tbf though.

[Shadow Mod]

Ah yes the ol' cultural relevance argument with a dash of "western imperialism" to justify Otaku wankery.

[tiesto]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1138079

Why? Were you promised you could play as a character of any race? Do you only play campaigns where you can choose your race?

The protagonist is simply "the Player", and Treyarch decided he or she is white. Get over it. Not every character has to be customizable.

This is once again a case of over reacting. I'm white though, so I guess my opinion could be skewed (it's not).

 

Not it's not, that's how they've designed it. Where do you stop if you put black characters in? Asians too? etc etc... The dev time would have increased having to cater for shitloads of variations. Seriously, mountain out of a molehill.

OMG the horror!  Asians, too???  Fuck that shit!  Where does this madness end?!?!?!


On the topic of XSEED, doesn't H. Protag work for them?  How does that work?

I think she's a contractor, from what I remember reading on Kotaku's TITS:SC translation drama article the other day.

[meeb]

Ah yes the ol' cultural relevance argument with a dash of "western imperialism" to justify Otaku wankery.

If you look at the past, or some other cultures today, you'd find that a grown man marrying and having sex with a child was perfectly acceptable. The Greeks did it. Muhammad married a 9 year old girl and fucked her raw. The fact that you find pedophilia and bestiality gross has to do with western cultural imperialism. And isn't imperialism the truly gross thing here?


Real talk: If the push against pedophilia is related to western cultural imperialism, then thank fucking god for imperialism. I read Things Fall Apart and I never gave a fuck about Okonkwo and his culture. Fuck cultural relativism. Some bits of other cultures are just

[FStop7]

Ah yes the ol' cultural relevance argument with a dash of "western imperialism" to justify Otaku wankery.

Coming from people caping for a society that was chin checked in the form of two nuclear bombs because of their imperial (including a real live God-emperor) aggression.

[Shadow Mod]

Western Imperialism doesn't have much to do with the stamping out of pedophilia. Actually what does is Feminism in any given society. Child brides going by the way side and general giving a shit about child welfare? Feminists pushed/push for that mess. It's not like the West is remiss in its own codified versions of pedophilia/child rape like in say the FLDS.

But you know according to these well read intellectual rational individuals Feminism is the worst/gone too far because some ass slap in a game was altered.

[Mods Help]

For the love of allah jesus spahgetti monster gaf, please make a Fallout 4 sub-forum. PLEASE.

[bork]

xseed dude got bant

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184891733&postcount=1310

Even if you consider content in a game to be perverted and classless... let the classless perverts have it! They deserve to enjoy their games just as much as the rest of us. And to say that it "taints" the game for the rest of us is no different than saying having someone of a different race, or sexual orientation, taints the neighborhood.

 

Now they just need to ban Mauricio_Magus

Eh, he was presenting a different view and while he said some eyebrow-raising things, none of it was ban-worthy.   Am not surprised though.  It's the norm on gaf now.

[bluemax]

SOTN > every Metroid

also Steve one time I went to a mall halloween shop during the halloween season and they were playing the castlevania sotn soundtrack. It was weird mix of "i know this" and "what the christ."

SotN has a great soundtrack and a lot of really long, straight, hallways. It's still an amazing game but I dunno if it is really the pinnacle.

People talking about combat in a Metroid game are why all these ninthing indie devs are making SUPER METROID X DARK SOULS because they completely miss what Metroid is about.

Dude you have to describe their games better than this, in no way does Dark Souls mend into the 2D perspective at all. If someone says their 2D game is inspired by Dark Souls, that means next to nothing since the Souls series revolves around combat in a 3D space.

If game devs making 2D Metroidvania games tell you their game takes inspiration from Dark Souls, call them out on that shit because it makes no sense.

Have you been on Kickstarter in the past 3 years? Every Ninthing Indie Dev uses "Dark Souls" as a way of saying "I made a game that is brutally, unfairly hard because like From Software I have no idea how to properly balance a game. Plus it gives me street cred."

I mean from Google:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dark%20souls%20meets%20metroidvania

"Ghost Song: When Metroid Meets Dark Souls | USgamer"
"Blood Alloy is a Metroidvania inspired by Dark Souls and .."
"'Castlevania' Meets 'Dark Souls' In PlaySation Indie 'Salt ..."
"The Dark Souls-Like Metroidvania, Death's Gambit is ..."
"Metroidvania meets Dark Souls, the La-Mulana Remake is .."
"Ori and the Blind Forest = Metroidvania meets Dark Souls"
"Dark Souls - Is it Metroidvania? - GameFAQs"
"Dark Souls and the Modern Metroid-vania | Serenity Forge ..."
"Border: Remembrance: A Modern Twist on Classic Metroidvania"
"Think Metroidvania meets Dark Souls meets Binding of Isaac." (Rogue Legacy user review)
"[Salt and Sanctuary] Souls-like Metroidvania - RPGnet Forums"

[Shadow Mod]

That Xseed dude has had some really interesting things to say before.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120142255&postcount=1233

Oh would you look at that...

He's got some more gems in that thread.

You say interesting, I say living in some vacuum pretending that everything is a = a and all relative to each other is a nice way to pretend you have a logical argument when really you want to endorse some heinous shit.

[thisismyusername]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1138109

Ew.  Just ew.  To all of it.

I don't dislike Greg. But man, I hate his Playstation Bias and being buddy-buddy with Shu to the point of bringing him on to his PS-focused podcast. "It's about ethics in games journalism" and all that, just doesn't sit right with me.

[qq more]

Times like this I feel better about myself designing a 2D platformer game while not falling for the DARK SOULS trend.

[Mods Help]

SOTN > every Metroid

also Steve one time I went to a mall halloween shop during the halloween season and they were playing the castlevania sotn soundtrack. It was weird mix of "i know this" and "what the christ."

SotN has a great soundtrack and a lot of really long, straight, hallways. It's still an amazing game but I dunno if it is really the pinnacle.

People talking about combat in a Metroid game are why all these ninthing indie devs are making SUPER METROID X DARK SOULS because they completely miss what Metroid is about.

Dude you have to describe their games better than this, in no way does Dark Souls mend into the 2D perspective at all. If someone says their 2D game is inspired by Dark Souls, that means next to nothing since the Souls series revolves around combat in a 3D space.

If game devs making 2D Metroidvania games tell you their game takes inspiration from Dark Souls, call them out on that shit because it makes no sense.

Have you been on Kickstarter in the past 3 years? Every Ninthing Indie Dev uses "Dark Souls" as a way of saying "I made a game that is brutally, unfairly hard because like From Software I have no idea how to properly balance a game. Plus it gives me street cred."

I mean from Google:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dark%20souls%20meets%20metroidvania

"Ghost Song: When Metroid Meets Dark Souls | USgamer"
"Blood Alloy is a Metroidvania inspired by Dark Souls and .."
"'Castlevania' Meets 'Dark Souls' In PlaySation Indie 'Salt ..."
"The Dark Souls-Like Metroidvania, Death's Gambit is ..."
"Metroidvania meets Dark Souls, the La-Mulana Remake is .."
"Ori and the Blind Forest = Metroidvania meets Dark Souls"
"Dark Souls - Is it Metroidvania? - GameFAQs"
"Dark Souls and the Modern Metroid-vania | Serenity Forge ..."
"Border: Remembrance: A Modern Twist on Classic Metroidvania"
"Think Metroidvania meets Dark Souls meets Binding of Isaac." (Rogue Legacy user review)
"[Salt and Sanctuary] Souls-like Metroidvania - RPGnet Forums"

Oh DEAR. LA MULANA AND ROUGE LEGACY ARE DESCRIBED AS DARK SOULS X METROIDVANIA?? WOW. THAT IS SO SHOCKING. People think Dark souls is a Metroidvania?!?! WOW. What a unique opinion! What does this mean?!?!?

Have you ever played La Mulana or Rogue Legacy? Do you even know what those games are?

[mormapope]

"I made a game that is brutally, unfairly hard because like From Software I have no idea how to properly balance a game."

Breh Dark Souls isn't that hard. There's a learning curve, and the majority of game players can't admit they suck at something, so they blame the game and move on. This has been a theme for fighting games and other genres for the past 20 years.

There's a professional Street Fighter player that uses his mouth and one hand to play the game due to a physical handicaps, named Brolylegs, hes the best chun li in the world on Xbox live. There are videos of blind people playing Ocarina of Time. If someone is bad at Dark Souls, a game that's simply challenging, they simply suck ass at the game. Dark Souls has nothing on 80's and 90's arcade/console games when it comes to difficulty. 

I stand by my original point. People being inspired by Dark Souls and saying it helped them make a 2d game doesn't make sense. Then again, inspiration doesn't always mean "I'm trying to do it in a similar way."

Inspiration can also mean "this game was really rad and it made want to make my own game."

[Mods Help]

Bluemax in the NES era: HOW COME EVERY GAME IS A 2D SHOOTER OR A PLATFORMER? GOOGLE "NES PLATFORMER" AND TELL ME THE RESULTS YOU GET.

Bluemax in the 16 bit era: HOW COME THERE'S SO MANY FIGHTING GAMES? STREET FIGHTER? KING OF FIGHTERS? VIRTUA FIGHTER?? WHY SO MANY FIGHTERS?? GOOGLE "16 BIT FIGHTING GAMES" AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.



Jokes.

[brob]

it's kinda cute how stunted some people are only being able to articulate difference thru madlibs. cheer up blumax.

[thisismyusername]

On the topic of XSEED, doesn't H. Protag work for them?  How does that work?

Yes. She's an editor (and has been published. I think she allowed someone to edit her NaNo work?) there. I don't think she deals with Tom (their programmer) in her day-to-day. Just translates Japanese lines into English for flavor. She posted about it in the Trials SC thread.

[Kara]

I read Things Fall Apart and I never gave a fuck about Okonkwo and his culture.

Respect the yams, B.

[Mods Help]

buy titssc

[brawndolicious]

Bluemax you should make a game where it's nearly impossible to not feel overpowered unless you keep your xp/loot low by avoiding enemies and being a loner.

The story can be that you're a "gam3r" fanboy with no imagination who constantly raves about the same few adventure games on forums. Hence the only way you can have fun and challenge in the game play is by avoiding circle-jerks discussions over the same topics.

The title can be Self Aggrandizing Dork. And the boss battle at the end is passing puberty. But they can only beat that boss by not pressing any keys since the goal is not actually to beat the characterization of physical maturity on the screen.

You'll blow heads with that.

[thisismyusername]

I do gotta agree with Bluemax on people using "Dark Souls" for "Nintendo-Hard" now a days. The numerous "WOW THIS IS HARD LIKE DARK SOULS" comments is just grating.

[bluemax]

Eh fuck it I don't care enough to argue with people who change their forum names all the time anyhow.

[tiesto]

Ehh, I'm kinda in agreement with bluemax over the whole "it's like Metroidvania x Dark Souls" for indie platformers, or "it's a 16-bit RPG inspired by Earthbound and Chrono Trigger!" for indie RPGs. Even though I love all those games mentioned, it's gotten to the point where I've tuned out those types of games and it just seems like a lazy way to build up hype for your title... now if an indie RPG sold itself on being like Saga x Persona or an indie platformer like Shatterhand... then my ears would perk up a bit.

[Shadow Mod]

This argument is just way over my head tbh.

Someone explain it beyond gamers upset about how other gamers describe games. Because I've long been on the train of not paying attention to whatever the fuck gamers say about any given video game.

[chronovore]

Ah yes the ol' cultural relevance argument with a dash of "western imperialism" to justify Otaku wankery.

The thing is, with Japanese culture being more group-focused than individual focused, Japanese in the mainstream will have little problem self-identifying as a typical or even "normal" Japanese while sucking air through their teeth at the people who are deviating from the norm and disturbing the 和 (peace). Otaku in Japan are a little more accepted than 20 years ago, but still considered fringe/outcast/weird. Contrast this with America, where everyone is falling over themselves to be identified as some subgenre of "geek."

[Shadow Mod]

Contrast this with America, where everyone is falling over themselves to be identified as some subgenre of "geek."

From what I've seen most Americans are geeks about something and are finally able to not be so ridiculously uptight and in the closet about it. Think it's more corporations/adertising have clued into the money to be made off endorsing a wide variety of geekdom versus trying to pigeon hole men and women.

[Mods Help]

I don't see why it's such a big deal. Many of these games that are described, like Rogue Legacy, Undertale, and especially Guacamelee or Wayward Souls. Your point is even more silly because according to you, people can't even ask if Dark Souls is a Metroidvania on gamefaqs going by that list of APPARENTLY SHOCKING things you posted.

I have a problem with your language because you come off as petty, Bluemax. It seems you have a problem with the games used for influences rather than the developers using games as descriptors, which is petty as it is hilarious.

More than that, your entire LOL GENERIC INDIE thing gives off the vibe that you've worked on truly originally pieces of Game Art (tm) and that you're the real game developer. And no one likes anyone like that. Even if you have worked on something forward pushing, it doesn't really give you the excuse to badmouth and seemingly throw good games like La Mulana and Rogue Legacy under the bus because some article describes them as Metroidvania meets Dark Souls. Tell me how that's not petty. Try and convince me.

Of course, there's the larger issue in that I doubt you've worked on anything better than Guacamelee or Wayward Souls, but that's a totally different bag of chips.

Do indie developers and some press describe some indie games with forced mad libs? Yes. Is there a definite problem when people use Metroidvania for games that aren't Metroidvania? Pet peeve, but not  a major problem. Should this be an indictment of all indie games? No.

So unless you're willing to put up your own resume, so we can see exactly what games you've worked on, girl bye.

[Shadow Mod]

I think bluemax, as a game dev, is actually kind of impacted by how gamers/article writers/whatever the fuck else talk about games so I can see where his distaste for various descriptors and pigeon-holing stems from. For the most part though I just play a game, is it fun? Yes, keep playing. No, go outside or find something else to play.

[Rufus]

I personally loved the Metroid Prime combat but it takes like an hour to get why it's good. In MP games you don't have to aim because of lock on targeting but instead you dodge everything being shot at you which makes sense with a single player game where you have no allied AI to draw fire. Dodging around and timing your shots while monitoring your health, missiles, and beam type is tense especially when you have multiple enemies and some of them require switching visors to lock on to them.

Dodging slow moving projectiles used to be a thing in FPS games. Then real guns took over.