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« Reply #13320 on: February 19, 2016, 05:57:27 PM »
SFV is wild bare. Capcom often makes decisions that push games out the door too early or pursue straight up bad business ideas when it comes to scheduling and planning, I can't really be surprised by that, but it is embarrassing to see ppl contort themselves over it.

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« Reply #13321 on: February 19, 2016, 06:05:39 PM »
All that author writes is hype articles for Destiny and SFV, so he clearly just has a hardon for unfinished garbage.

also http://www.gamesradar.com/sony-now-admitting-partnering-shenmue-3-kickstarter-leaves-bad-taste-my-mouth/  :lol

and he gave MCC 4.5/5. Yeah he just has a hardon for unfinished trash games.
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« Reply #13322 on: February 19, 2016, 06:10:05 PM »
Multiple games prove it. Look at Star Wars Battlefield. We have many games from the past year alone that prove it. Gamers want 80 hour long games even if the content isn't that great.

I know you're a Resident Evil fan. What if RE7 launched with one playable character in one campaign, no campaign co-op, no Mercenaries, no extras or unlockables, but there's a new mulitplayer mode where you fight a boss from single player with one other person. $60.
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« Reply #13323 on: February 19, 2016, 06:11:19 PM »
Multiple games prove it. Look at Star Wars Battlefield. We have many games from the past year alone that prove it. Gamers want 80 hour long games even if the content isn't that great.

I know you're a Resident Evil fan. What if RE7 launched with one playable character in one campaign, no campaign co-op, no Mercenaries, no extras or unlockables, but there's a new mulitplayer mode where you fight a boss from single player with one other person. $60.

Pretty bad comparison. This game has everything SFIV had. Except no arcade mode.

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« Reply #13324 on: February 19, 2016, 06:13:32 PM »
Except less characters. And the Online stinks. And no trials.

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« Reply #13325 on: February 19, 2016, 06:24:41 PM »
how does the game not have online functionality on par with the latest iteration of sf4? are they rewriting this shit from scratch?  They've been working on online backends for fighting games for 8 years or some shit and this is what they launch as their main property in the year of our lord 2016?

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« Reply #13326 on: February 19, 2016, 06:27:46 PM »
They decided that what the game really needs is servers to manage all the connections instead of going P2P like every other fighting game. So now the servers get overloaded which means the matchmaking doesn't work and lobbies become unplayable/unjoinable. Also  they decided the best thing to do when the servers go down in every case (including when you are playing offline modes) is to kick you back to the main menu immediately.

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« Reply #13327 on: February 19, 2016, 06:34:09 PM »
Except less characters. And the Online stinks. And no trials.

SFIV had 16, V has 16. Online is fine when it works, and a lot of online games have hiccups week 1, deal with it. Trials, I'll give you.

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« Reply #13328 on: February 19, 2016, 06:39:14 PM »
SF4 had 20 iirc. I'm not counting the arcade release, I'm counting the release on console that also cost $60

edit: seems it was more than 20? huh

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« Reply #13329 on: February 19, 2016, 06:39:28 PM »
Nope, the arcade version had 16, the console version had 24 or 25.



Some characters had to be unlocked though.
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« Reply #13330 on: February 19, 2016, 06:59:49 PM »
Except less characters. And the Online stinks. And no trials.

10/10 GOTY

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« Reply #13331 on: February 19, 2016, 07:04:23 PM »
Weird, I didn't remember vanilla SF4 having a big roster on console release pre-DLC.

Tbh, I think SFV is rushed out, lacking in necessary content (arcade mode/trials), optimization (loading/online), and I think it's way too early for anyone to say how "greatest fighting game ever made" it is or anything...but I don't think the roster size is that big of an issue.  Especially with using the games as a service model and new characters coming regularly.  Guilty Gear Xrd has a pretty small cast (especially at launch) too.

Definitely should've come out in the summer.  Needed more time.


For single player I wish they'd copy VF4/Evo's quest mode.  Now that it's 3d since SF4, add customization items and then let players go on a single player quest to unlock new items while fighting different playstyle'd fighters.  I guess "unlocking" items is a problem now though since they'd just want to sell you them in packs for $5 each as DLC.  :-\

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« Reply #13332 on: February 19, 2016, 07:15:24 PM »
For as many problems as SF5 has, people complaining about 16 characters

Like games didn't launch with less back in the day

Like you were really going to try out an entire MvC2/TTT2-sized roster

Like all those characters would be viable regardless


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« Reply #13333 on: February 19, 2016, 07:21:15 PM »
SF4 had 20 iirc. I'm not counting the arcade release, I'm counting the release on console that also cost $60

edit: seems it was more than 20? huh

You're comparing a console release that had the benefit of an arcade version a year prior to a game that had no arcade cab and is releasing with more content than a typical arcade version.

Please reflect on this.

If SFV had an arcade release a year before the console version do you think we would be getting the game like it is now?

The complaints are legitimate and worth addressing. The outrage and disproportionate backlash isn't.

Showing, again, gamer entitlement. If your problem is 16 characters how does not in any way reflect gamer entitlement?

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« Reply #13334 on: February 19, 2016, 07:28:16 PM »
For as many problems as SF5 has, people complaining about 16 characters (Image removed from quote.)

Like games didn't launch with less back in the day (Image removed from quote.)

Like you were really going to try out an entire MvC2/TTT2-sized roster (Image removed from quote.)

Like all those characters would be viable regardless

(Image removed from quote.)

So what you're saying is, is you're a massive tier whore that plays as characters based on what people on the internet say about those characters?
 :smug

Fighting games having huge rosters is a good thing, as long as the roster doesn't feel fucked up. MvC2 has balancing issues, the roster being big wasn't a problem. Factor in character assists having their own tier list and that being fucked, you get the picture. The only characters in MvC2 that are complete and utter ass are Serv bot, Roll, Zangief, and Iceman.

Fighting games don't need large rosters, but having more characters and them all playing differently is anything but a con.
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« Reply #13335 on: February 19, 2016, 07:33:23 PM »
You're comparing a console release that had the benefit of an arcade version a year prior to a game that had no arcade cab and is releasing with more content than a typical arcade version.

Please reflect on this.

If SFV had an arcade release a year before the console version do you think we would be getting the game like it is now?

The complaints are legitimate and worth addressing. The outrage and disproportionate backlash isn't.

Showing, again, gamer entitlement. If your problem is 16 characters how does not in any way reflect gamer entitlement?

"Please be nicer with how you're shitting on something that deserves to be shit on."

Saying that while speaking on entitlement
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Feels like a bunch of people became Capcom employees overnight. You can enjoy something that a bunch of people are hating on, it happens.
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« Reply #13336 on: February 19, 2016, 07:33:35 PM »
You're comparing a console release that had the benefit of an arcade version a year prior to a game that had no arcade cab and is releasing with more content than a typical arcade version.

Please reflect on this.

If SFV had an arcade release a year before the console version do you think we would be getting the game like it is now?

The complaints are legitimate and worth addressing. The outrage and disproportionate backlash isn't.

Showing, again, gamer entitlement. If your problem is 16 characters how does not in any way reflect gamer entitlement?
MKX had no arcade release yet it had more characters (and one day one/preorder DLC which is ehhh), a complete story mode, an arcade mode, offline and online ladders, and more.

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« Reply #13337 on: February 19, 2016, 07:39:33 PM »
For as many problems as SF5 has, people complaining about 16 characters (Image removed from quote.)

Like games didn't launch with less back in the day (Image removed from quote.)

Like you were really going to try out an entire MvC2/TTT2-sized roster (Image removed from quote.)

Like all those characters would be viable regardless

(Image removed from quote.)

So what you're saying is, is you're a massive tier whore that plays as characters based on what people on the internet say about those characters?
 :smug

Fighting games having huge rosters is a good thing, as long as the roster doesn't feel fucked up. MvC2 has balancing issues, the roster being big wasn't a problem. Factor in character assists having their own tier list and that being fucked, you get the picture. The only characters in MvC2 that are complete and utter ass are Serv bot, Roll, Zangief, and Iceman.

Fighting games don't need large rosters, but having more characters and them all playing differently is anything but a con.

No it means not playing fucking roll or Cammy in Super Turbo

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« Reply #13338 on: February 19, 2016, 07:41:20 PM »
For as many problems as SF5 has, people complaining about 16 characters (Image removed from quote.)

Like games didn't launch with less back in the day (Image removed from quote.)

Like you were really going to try out an entire MvC2/TTT2-sized roster (Image removed from quote.)

Like all those characters would be viable regardless

(Image removed from quote.)

So what you're saying is, is you're a massive tier whore that plays as characters based on what people on the internet say about those characters?
 :smug

Fighting games having huge rosters is a good thing, as long as the roster doesn't feel fucked up. MvC2 has balancing issues, the roster being big wasn't a problem. Factor in character assists having their own tier list and that being fucked, you get the picture. The only characters in MvC2 that are complete and utter ass are Serv bot, Roll, Zangief, and Iceman.

Fighting games don't need large rosters, but having more characters and them all playing differently is anything but a con.

You'll take tiers more seriously once you learn why they exist the hard way  :ufup (Zafina  :goty)

My main point though is that a lot of people want more characters but won't even bother to use half of them if they get them. And honestly, I can't even blame them too much for that because it's all about finding who fits your playstyle more than anything.

16 characters is fair to me.

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« Reply #13339 on: February 19, 2016, 07:45:43 PM »
i don't care what tier my character is tbh so long as they're fun.

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« Reply #13340 on: February 19, 2016, 07:45:57 PM »
You'll take tiers more seriously once you learn why they exist the hard way  :ufup (Zafina  :goty)

My main point though is that a lot of people want more characters but won't even bother to use half of them if they get them. And honestly, I can't even blame them too much for that because it's all about finding who fits your playstyle more than anything.

16 characters is fair to me.

I'd say 16 characters is fair as well depending on how they play. But I don't agree with the bolded, playing as the same character overtime, even if you win a lot, can get really boring. I like to jump to different playstyles overtime. Its impossible to say how many people play fighting games this way or any other way.

And depending on who you ask, tier lists either mean a lot or don't mean anything at all. I would be in hell if I forced myself to play as Yun, Cammy, or Seth in SF4.
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« Reply #13341 on: February 19, 2016, 07:49:59 PM »
SF3: Third Strike is the worst case scenario. Small roster, and the character balance is all kinds of fucked up.
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« Reply #13342 on: February 19, 2016, 07:56:50 PM »
SF3: Third Strike is the worst case scenario. Small roster, and the character balance is all kinds of fucked up.

not a good example because even that you still see high level play with Remy's and shit. The reality is that most people who complain about broken tiers in a fighting game usually aren't that good at that game. I'll admit I'm not good at 3S.

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« Reply #13343 on: February 19, 2016, 07:57:06 PM »
He already ate a game manual so the obvious next step is some kind of anal game disc gapefest.

the fuck?

like you've never gotten so mad at a disappointing game that you ate the manual to relieve your anger  ::)

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« Reply #13344 on: February 19, 2016, 08:02:14 PM »
SF3: Third Strike is the worst case scenario. Small roster, and the character balance is all kinds of fucked up.

not a good example because even that you still see high level play with Remy's and shit. The reality is that most people who complain about broken tiers in a fighting game usually aren't that good at that game. I'll admit I'm not good at 3S.

A game can have terrible balance issues while someone overcomes those issues. MvC3 has many viable teams, but Morrigan's chip damage and level 3 X Factor Vergil are huge design oversights. You will almost never hear someone that's good at Third Strike praise how well balanced the roster is.

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« Reply #13345 on: February 19, 2016, 08:02:30 PM »
havent people learned not to argue with Mods Help at this point

smh
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« Reply #13346 on: February 19, 2016, 08:23:08 PM »
Either way, this is probably the end of SF as we know it because Capcom couldn't do an advanced beta version for 20-30 dollars aimed at the hardcore and release the full game in March or June for 60.  :doge Pick yer fg's that aren't SF because SFV is going to bomb after this fucked launch. What game is everyone else moving to? I'ma move to CvS2 on Dreamcast.  :-*


havent people learned not to argue with Mods Help at this point

smh

When have you ever posted anything worth reading?
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« Reply #13347 on: February 19, 2016, 08:30:35 PM »
Tekken Versus Street Fighter was never cancelled, and with all the work being put into Akuma in Tekken 7, I would wager it'll come out in the next couple or few years. Street Fighter will live on in 3D.
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« Reply #13348 on: February 19, 2016, 08:33:21 PM »
:obama

Let's move to tekken, breh

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« Reply #13349 on: February 19, 2016, 08:37:31 PM »
yoshi is my fave gaffer pls don't drive him over the edge before the new kingdom hearts game comes out so I can see what innovative expression of self destructive madness he pulls off to perform his Excited Gamer Hype

If he doesn't shove it up his ass, he's failing his duty. IMO.

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« Reply #13350 on: February 19, 2016, 08:38:33 PM »
Remember when he stayed up 72 hours to platinum FFX HD Remaster? Dude is legit pscyho and is going to die in his chair some day

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« Reply #13351 on: February 19, 2016, 08:43:25 PM »
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Let's move to tekken, breh

We Tekken now.

I used to be intimidated by Tekken and the movelist, but Tekken is a lot simpler than it lets on. For Tekken, you need to know your character's:

Launcher
Low and high pokes
Combos that have safe on block start up attacks

Combos in Tekken are incredibly easy, and there's a lot of freedom with move sets.
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« Reply #13352 on: February 19, 2016, 08:44:14 PM »
Does Tekken use number input notation? I think it does?

How tight are the links in Tekken?

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« Reply #13353 on: February 19, 2016, 08:53:46 PM »
Does Tekken use number input notation? I think it does?

How tight are the links in Tekken?

Combos and links are incredibly lenient. A lot of simple normals can do a ton of damage as well.
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« Reply #13354 on: February 19, 2016, 08:55:47 PM »

When have you ever posted anything worth reading?

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« Reply #13355 on: February 19, 2016, 08:58:32 PM »
They decided that what the game really needs is servers to manage all the connections instead of going P2P like every other fighting game. So now the servers get overloaded which means the matchmaking doesn't work and lobbies become unplayable/unjoinable. Also  they decided the best thing to do when the servers go down in every case (including when you are playing offline modes) is to kick you back to the main menu immediately.

Which is pretty :mindblown when it happens. Like, they can't do Magic: Duels of the Planeswalkers and go "WE CAN'T CONNECT TO THE SERVER, RETRY!?" at the end of your rounds/fight money to accumulate?

This article touches on what I've said before about today's game players care more about quantity and checklist shit than actual games.

http://www.gamesradar.com/street-fighter-5-backlash-proves-we-value-quantity-over-quality/?tag=grsocial-20

Like Morma said: That article is shit. You just think that article is good because it confirms your bias toward "but who cares about single-player tho!?"

Multiple games prove it. Look at Star Wars Battlefield.

http://swbstats.com/

Quote
PC: 3,547 (24h peak: 7,036)

XBOXONE: 32,867 (24h peak: 33,858)

PS4: 48,301 (24h peak: 54,930)

Total: 84,715

Yes, let's look at Star Wars: Battlefront. A game that has nose-diving PC playerbase within two weeks of launch because people told DICE flatout "there's nothing here that makes me want to replay it" during the OPEN beta within two weeks of launch and they haven't fixed it.

Consoles are only playing it because they have no other shooters.

For comparison sake:

http://bfhstats.com/

Quote from: Hardline
Currently online players (Total: 20,471):
PC
958
Peak 24h
2,258

PS3
2,775
Peak 24h
3,409

XBOX360
1,472
Peak 24h
1,667

XBOXONE
7,018
Peak 24h
7,774

PS4
8,248
Peak 24h
10,838

and

http://bf4stats.com/

Quote from: Battlefield 4
Currently online players (Total: 94,127):
PC
15,401
Peak 24h
30,159

PS3
18,290
Peak 24h
21,066

XBOX360
8,709
Peak 24h
9,037

XBOXONE
20,457
Peak 24h
20,982

PS4
31,270
Peak 24h
39,636

More people are playing a near 3 year old title than the two shooters that came after it. Why do you think that is?

Just for shits and giggles:

http://bf3stats.com/

Quote from: Battlefield 3
Global stats
PC online2 878
PS3 online4 836
360 online2 324

Hardline has less players than BF3 and Battlefront is nearly on par with BF3's player count on PC. Consoles for last gen are nearly the same. Battlefront nearly edges out just barely on next-gen/this gen consoles of PS4/X-box. Why? Because there is barely anything there to play.

If consoles had numerous other shooters like CS:GO, Rainbow Six: Siege (okay this one IS on consoles), and the like? I doubt Battlefront would be holding as many players as it does right now.

Titanfall got the same amount of shit of "lacks content/maps" as Battlefront, and you know what happened on PC?

Yep, the community died within two months while Respawn tried to get new maps out. Except nobody but like 400 people continued to play it at that point. And then Respawn tried to add co-op and still nobody came back.

So, to use Battlefront as a defense for SF5 coming from someone that plays predominately shooters:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Please, dig harder, dear.

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« Reply #13356 on: February 19, 2016, 09:03:04 PM »
It doesn't confirm my bias at all. I've said time and time again I understand why the sp content is important to people and I get why they're mad. But there's a great game in there too. People are overreacting and calling the game a shit game, or reviewing it 0/10 and all this mental gymnastics to justify their outrage. Again, I repeat, I get it. But that doesn't mean the game isn't worth playing or that it's not worth buying for the long term. Even the article, if you bothered to read it, was critical of Capcom releasing it this early. And it's a justified position to take. But some of the reactions that I'm reading on neogaf or reddit are completely ???

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« Reply #13357 on: February 19, 2016, 09:17:49 PM »
Titanfall got the same amount of shit of "lacks content/maps" as Battlefront, and you know what happened on PC?

Yep, the community died within two months while Respawn tried to get new maps out. Except nobody but like 400 people continued to play it at that point. And then Respawn tried to add co-op and still nobody came back.

Respawn even gave away all of the DLC for free.

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« Reply #13358 on: February 19, 2016, 09:25:24 PM »
It doesn't confirm my bias at all. I've said time and time again I understand why the sp content is important to people and I get why they're mad. But there's a great game in there too. People are overreacting and calling the game a shit game, or reviewing it 0/10 and all this mental gymnastics to justify their outrage. Again, I repeat, I get it. But that doesn't mean the game isn't worth playing or that it's not worth buying for the long term. Even the article, if you bothered to read it, was critical of Capcom releasing it this early. And it's a justified position to take. But some of the reactions that I'm reading on neogaf or reddit are completely ???

I did read the article. But the article is saying the same thing you're saying:

"Why are people bashing SF5?! The game's content that is there is good!?"

Spoiler: Because the content that isn't there is what most people that bought the game do want. Everyone going "but can't you just play online?!" is missing the point, not everyone has good online connections and they play the offline CPU because they're too intimidated/don't care/whatever toward the online.

This is what I (and others) keep harping to you about: If you understand why people are disappointed, then you also understand that those people do not care about the online so using it as a crutch of "oh but the game doesn't deserve those bad reviews from them because the online mode is still good and they should just go to it!" is missing the forest for the trees.

Titanfall got the same amount of shit of "lacks content/maps" as Battlefront, and you know what happened on PC?

Yep, the community died within two months while Respawn tried to get new maps out. Except nobody but like 400 people continued to play it at that point. And then Respawn tried to add co-op and still nobody came back.

Respawn even gave away all of the DLC for free.

Correctomundo. I forgot about that. :lol People still didn't come back. They even threw it out for $5-10 before that point and the community couldn't come back. First impressions matter, whodat. They matter  a lot

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« Reply #13359 on: February 19, 2016, 09:44:34 PM »
Where did I say first impressions don't matter?

I said on the last page this game is gonna die and possibly bomb.

:doge

We Tekken, now.

Look people, I get. It doesn't make it any less infuriating that the game is gonna die because casuals didn't get their arcade mode when the actual game is tight as fuck. :yeshrug I wish certain games could exist within its own niche and that's that, but this game is Sony money bought, and SF is trying to grow. Well that "grow" plan has put inside a bag of dog poop and set on fire, and SF is going to pay for it due to Capcom's incompetence. I get we need casuals. Doesn't make it any less annoying.
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« Reply #13360 on: February 19, 2016, 09:46:58 PM »
SF4 had 20 iirc. I'm not counting the arcade release, I'm counting the release on console that also cost $60

edit: seems it was more than 20? huh

You're comparing a console release that had the benefit of an arcade version a year prior to a game that had no arcade cab and is releasing with more content than a typical arcade version.

Please reflect on this.

If SFV had an arcade release a year before the console version do you think we would be getting the game like it is now?

The complaints are legitimate and worth addressing. The outrage and disproportionate backlash isn't.

Showing, again, gamer entitlement. If your problem is 16 characters how does not in any way reflect gamer entitlement?

Street Fighter IV came out in arcades on July 18th, 2008.  The home console versions first released in Japan on February 12, 2009.  That's a little over half a year later. 

SFIV first released with 12 playable characters- the original 12 and the four new characters (Viper, Fuerte, Rufus, and Abel).  Seth was the boss and unplayable.  Akuma soon unlocked as a hidden boss character and then became playable later, IIRC.  Gouken followed and was also a CPU-only (hidden) boss character.  You could use in-game points to unlock character colors and alternate outfits.

When the game came out on home consoles, they added Cammy, Fei Long, Dan, Sakura, Gen, and Rose -six characters just like SFV is getting- and then made Seth and Gouken playable, for a total of 25 characters.  They also added new stages IIRC.  The extra colors were still unlockable, but the outfits were changed to paid 'DLC' (AKA Capcom's favorite-- on-disc content unlock keys!)  More characters were planned for release (Dee Jay and T. Hawk were pretty much ready for release) but Capcom decided to just re-release the game with more content as Super Street Fighter IV instead.

SF4 also got additional content added via DLC-- I can't even remember all the details so here's Wikipedia:
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The first expansion pack, titled "Championship Mode", was released free of charge on April 24, 2009. It provides players with a replay mode, a new points system and an enhanced tournament matching system.[47] Championship mode is a game mode where a series of players compete against each other for ranking points. The higher the ranking, the harder the contest the player will participate in. The PlayStation 3 version of the download allows the player to vote on the parts of the recorded match they thought were "funny", "awesome", and "beautiful". The Xbox 360 version allows the player to download their recorded fights to the console.[48]

To me, what's going on with SFV is similar, but some things have changed with the times.

We got the game at release with 16 characters.  More content (for online play) is coming shortly and there's the expanded story mode in June.  More characters are coming, but instead of the six being included "on-disc", they're DLC instead.  Because now that's a more typical thing with games.  I wouldn't be surprised if some or all of these characters were probably close to, if not ready, to be included in the game for its launch and were held back on purpose, just like they did with SF4.  And let's not forget about them holding back all the on-disc "DLC" characters in SFxTK.  They've learned from their mistakes...that is to say, now they're smarter and are keeping the finished content out of the initial release so it will be REAL DLC later on.  Reminds me of Tomb Raider Underworld's Xbox 360 DLC, where one of the devs spilled the beans that the two levels/story content that was released as DLC in the months following the game's release was completed and purposefully-removed.  :-\
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13361 on: February 19, 2016, 09:48:01 PM »
But some of the reactions that I'm reading on neogaf or reddit are completely ???

And this really surprises you?  :doge
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13362 on: February 19, 2016, 09:52:54 PM »
When it comes to a game that feels and looks as good SFV, yeah.

It's like, if I were a casual, I'd be able to recognize the quality put into the fighting and the actual game and recognize that the game is a long term investment that slowly gets more features over time and the content I want will come eventually - possibly within the time span of two weeks. If they think that the actual game is worth it, surely it's worth waiting for? That doesn't mean being mad arcade mode isn't there isn't justified, but the over reaching backlash as it is now is pretty lol and feels manufactured.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13363 on: February 19, 2016, 10:37:28 PM »
What if RE7 launched with one playable character in one campaign, no campaign co-op

:aah

If only. If fucking only.

*DAP this shit, son*

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13364 on: February 19, 2016, 11:43:26 PM »
When it comes to a game that feels and looks as good SFV, yeah.

It's like, if I were a casual, I'd be able to recognize the quality put into the fighting and the actual game and recognize that the game is a long term investment that slowly gets more features over time and the content I want will come eventually - possibly within the time span of two weeks. If they think that the actual game is worth it, surely it's worth waiting for? That doesn't mean being mad arcade mode isn't there isn't justified, but the over reaching backlash as it is now is pretty lol and feels manufactured.

Yeah, I mean, complaining about a lack of modes, content, and online problems is totally manufactured.   :doge  There is no way a so-called casual player is going to appreciate the quality of the fighting mechanics.  That's for the fighting game crowd.

Having never played the game, I can't comment on the feel, but when I see "When it comes to a game that feels and looks as good SFV, yeah" it seems like I could just make that "When it comes to a game that feels and looks as good The Order 1886, yeah."

But at least with Street Fighter, I'm pretty confident it's all gonna improve a lot.
 :obama

Might as well move on since we're just going in circles. 
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13365 on: February 20, 2016, 08:05:48 AM »
Might as well move on since we're just going in circles.

Before we do that, though:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/fiffer/recommended/310950/

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13366 on: February 20, 2016, 10:13:13 AM »
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1187291

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damn, and people say I am weird for always carrying a daisho. It is EXACTLY for reasons like these that I wear it and I won't stop wearing it unless it becomes the law (in which case I will just stealth carry a wakizashi or something).

Glad you are still alive, man. I think it would be prudent to invest in some kind of self defence device.

 :dead

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13367 on: February 20, 2016, 10:54:46 AM »
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Well, first of all I never said I would kill someone with it, it acts as a pretty decent deterrent, secondly, nobody knows that the sword is just a bokken and wakizashi is just hardened polymer (the same one that is used for making police battons) since they are both in a sheath, still, a good knock on the head with either will send anyone running.
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No, I carry 2 swords, 1 long and 1 short. I have been doing it for 8 years now.
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oh all right. I need to get to a save point in FFXIII and then gear up so give me like 15 minutes, please. You want to see my Guts' greatsword too? I don't carry that around in town, too big and too heavy.
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Here you go

the second pic is just a bonus ;)

Sorry about the hair cut, I am growing long hair for my NieR cosplay this year so I am struggling with a good way to groom myself. Also, I am just wearing my home attire, this is not how I walk around town (I usually wear jeans and such), but this is just a quick demonstration. And for people saying stuff like "swinging it around in front of your bedroom mirror like Naruto", I am doing Iaido for 8 years now so I know how to use my bokken quite effectively.





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I like the added touch of black socks and sandals. 
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13368 on: February 20, 2016, 11:07:26 AM »
Sorry about the hair cut, I am growing long hair for my NieR cosplay this year so I am struggling with a good way to groom myself. Also, I am just wearing my home attire, this is not how I walk around town (I usually wear jeans and such), but this is just a quick demonstration. And for people saying stuff like "swinging it around in front of your bedroom mirror like Naruto", I am doing Iaido for 8 years now so I know how to use my bokken quite effectively.

I carry them mostly because I train Iaido every day. Every time I have a while, between classes, during break, etc. I go to the courtyard and exercise a bit.

I only wear them like that during the night, for example when I go home from work at 2am. During the day when there is no danger I keep them in a carry case and everybody thinks it's an umbrella.

Well, when everybody is blaming police for everything (and I am not saying they are always in the right) not many people are joining the force. We have the same problem here in Europe. You see 2 officers in the centre of the capital at high noon and then during the night all you can see are drug dealers, thugs, homeless and prostitutes.

Government can't clone police officers.

Earphones at night is a big no no, if you didn't have them on you would hear the cunts and you could run away from them. My advice, use public transportation whenever possible and if you must go alone don't use headphones.




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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13369 on: February 20, 2016, 11:37:56 AM »
Yo that dude look like EviLore ROFL
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13370 on: February 20, 2016, 11:50:51 AM »
It's dangerous to go alone! Take this.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13371 on: February 20, 2016, 11:57:49 AM »
American feggits and their CHL's don't seem quite so lame now

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13372 on: February 20, 2016, 12:28:53 PM »
By the way, his DEADLY MARTIAL ART OF CHOICE?

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Iaido encompasses hundreds of styles of swordsmanship, all of which subscribe to non-combative aims and purposes.

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« Reply #13373 on: February 20, 2016, 12:41:08 PM »
Quote from: mcz117chief;196000010
Well, first of all I never said I would kill someone with it, it acts as a pretty decent deterrent, secondly, nobody knows that the sword is just a bokken and wakizashi is just hardened polymer (the same one that is used for making police battons) since they are both in a sheath, still, a good knock on the head with either will send anyone running.
Quote from: mcz117chief;195999143
No, I carry 2 swords, 1 long and 1 short. I have been doing it for 8 years now.
Quote from: mcz117chief;196000466
oh all right. I need to get to a save point in FFXIII and then gear up so give me like 15 minutes, please. You want to see my Guts' greatsword too? I don't carry that around in town, too big and too heavy.
Quote from: mcz117chief;196002935
Here you go

the second pic is just a bonus ;)

Sorry about the hair cut, I am growing long hair for my NieR cosplay this year so I am struggling with a good way to groom myself. Also, I am just wearing my home attire, this is not how I walk around town (I usually wear jeans and such), but this is just a quick demonstration. And for people saying stuff like "swinging it around in front of your bedroom mirror like Naruto", I am doing Iaido for 8 years now so I know how to use my bokken quite effectively.


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 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

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I like the added touch of black socks and sandals.

his mom's got a wicked kitchen

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« Reply #13374 on: February 20, 2016, 01:15:42 PM »
He does have a pretty rockin bod though. So those afternoon workouts are doing something right.

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« Reply #13375 on: February 20, 2016, 01:16:07 PM »
I... wow...

Now I don't feel so bad about my assisted opening knife that I keep hidden in my jacket.  :doge

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13376 on: February 20, 2016, 02:04:12 PM »
his mom's got a wicked kitchen

Thought the same thing  :lol
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13377 on: February 20, 2016, 02:48:30 PM »
You never go full mall ninja, bro.

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« Reply #13378 on: February 20, 2016, 03:51:38 PM »
thread posted to get sympy for getting robbed turns into carry two swords guy..

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #13379 on: February 20, 2016, 04:02:46 PM »
dudes carrying around nun chucks what the fuck