The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

[Kara]

That feel when a fucktarded libertarian turns out to know a shit-ton about console architecture.

Carmack-sama is a true Renaissance man.

[thisismyusername]

framerates in that generation 

a lot of control schemes in that generation 

That generation was outside of 2D fighting games and other such arcade games

Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, and others were worthwhile. Yes, there's camera issues but that's due to the jump to 3D. Hell camera issues still weren't resolved in the PS2 era.

[thisismyusername]

Also:

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=207974850&postcount=121

Corporate Apologist: The post.

[kick51]

PS1 is still the most interesting system out there.  I still find new weird shit on it all the time, mostly from japan since there's a billion japanese ps1 games that never made it out of the country.  Most of it doesn't turn out to be amazing or even something you want to play all of, but definitely interesting.  A lot of current "wacky" meme games don't have shit on the oddities of PS1

[qq more]

Mario 64 still looks alright to me, there's charm to that blocky era of graphics(YMMV on which game counts or not)

My only issue with the N64 at the time was terrible framerate, especially in Zelda games.

Yeah, I was talking about this yesterday with some folks. Mario 64 still somewhat holds up graphically in a weird way to this day because the art style compliments the hardware. There's some real charm to that.

PS1 is still the most interesting system out there.  I still find new weird shit on it all the time, mostly from japan since there's a billion japanese ps1 games that never made it out of the country.  Most of it doesn't turn out to be amazing or even something you want to play all of, but definitely interesting.  A lot of current "wacky" meme games don't have shit on the oddities of PS1

I remember there was this really surreal game called LSD. Which was made by the same guy who made that creepy as fuck game called Eastern Mind. I somtimes love reading about these quirky stuff lol

[Tasty]

Mario 64 DS still looks good IMO. They fixed Mario and Bowser's weird models and upped the polys on some other things.

[Jansen]

This makes SEAL training sound alright. Gross.

  http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208001993&postcount=12

[Purrp Skirrp]

framerates in that generation 

a lot of control schemes in that generation 

That generation was outside of 2D fighting games and other such arcade games

Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, and others were worthwhile. Yes, there's camera issues but that's due to the jump to 3D. Hell camera issues still weren't resolved in the PS2 era.

Less trash and more 'you had to be there'.
That gen was all about figuring how the fuck 3D is suppose to work, so along with that comes all these growing pains that make those games feel dated af.
Add to this some pretty flawed tech and that gen winds up retroactively looking a mess.

But back then it must have been exciting: the novelty of 3D, a shit ton of new IPs, some games that were actually groundbreaking.
I can imagine 2D stans being completely put off, esp coming off the SNES where 2D was already established and then pretty much perfected.
Safe to say those same stans knew some kanji. Could have copped a Saturn and some imports while me and the Revolution stay woke with Chameleon Twist.

[toku]

Can't talk about the N64 without talking about the fucking sorcery the dev team that had to port RE2 to it had to do:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131556/postmortem_angel_studios_.php
http://web.archive.org/web/20080329213258/http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20001004/meynink_03.htm

To look at this challenge another way, let’s put it into numerical perspective. The original rendered frames of the video sequences were 320×160 pixels at 24-bit color = 153,600 bytes/frame. On the Nintendo 64 Resident Evil 2‘s approximately 15 minutes of 30Hz video make a grand total of 15 x 60 x 30 x 153,600 = 4,147,200,000 bytes of uncompressed data. Our budget on the cartridge was 25,165,824 bytes, so I had to achieve a compression ratio of 165:1. Worse still, I had to share this modicum of cartridge real estate with the movie audio

[octopushover]

doesn't know the difference between the house of representatives and the senate

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208004568&postcount=14

will still comment on politics

[archie4208]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=207933977&postcount=14

League Naughty Gods alone.  :'(

[WanderingWind]

Mighty No. 9 is the most hatefully shitty game I've played this year. It's offensively bad in a way that isn't even charming for fans of C-list entertainment.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1237887

LEAVE NO MAN'S SKY ALONE 

[qq more]

Mario 64 DS still looks good IMO. They fixed Mario and Bowser's weird models and upped the polys on some other things.

I'm 50/50 on the remake with the graphics. Like that the characters are more detailed now but levels like Bob Omb Battlefield looks ugly now though. That awful pallete, bleh.

Mighty No. 9 is the most hatefully shitty game I've played this year. It's offensively bad in a way that isn't even charming for fans of C-list entertainment.

The dash mechanic along with the awful bland or frustrating level design really killed the game for me.

[mormapope]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1237887

LEAVE NO MAN'S SKY ALONE 

The people that bitch and bemoan others for asking "what do you do in this game?" have only the devs and themselves to blame. The developer and its fanboys avoid saying its like Minecraft in the most verbose ways possible.

You'd think comparisons to one of the world's most popular and respected games would be flattering. 

I remember IGN did interviews this year, with the interviewer talking about how interesting and fresh it is that you need resources to use shields, your weapons. As if equipment degradation/upkeep or survival elements haven't been a thing for at least 25-35 years 

[WanderingWind]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1237887

LEAVE NO MAN'S SKY ALONE 

The people that bitch and bemoan others for asking "what do you do in this game?" have only the devs and themselves to blame. The developer and its fanboys avoid saying its like Minecraft in the most verbose ways possible.

You'd think comparisons to one of the world's most popular and respected games would be flattering. 

I remember IGN did interviews this year, with the interviewer talking about how interesting and fresh it is that you need resources to use shields, your weapons. As if equipment degradation/upkeep or survival elements haven't been a thing for at least 25-35 years 

It's like Minecraft without the Craft. Or the Mine. Or the equipment. Or any real sense of danger.

[Tasty]

Just redeemed my code for the Wii U version of MN9 

[mormapope]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1237887

LEAVE NO MAN'S SKY ALONE 

The people that bitch and bemoan others for asking "what do you do in this game?" have only the devs and themselves to blame. The developer and its fanboys avoid saying its like Minecraft in the most verbose ways possible.

You'd think comparisons to one of the world's most popular and respected games would be flattering. 

I remember IGN did interviews this year, with the interviewer talking about how interesting and fresh it is that you need resources to use shields, your weapons. As if equipment degradation/upkeep or survival elements haven't been a thing for at least 25-35 years 

It's like Minecraft without the Craft. Or the Mine. Or the equipment. Or any real sense of danger.

The biggest difference in design is Minecraft's about creating a goal for yourself, or just fucking around until you're bored. The two base modes allow the player to challenge themselves or simply be creative.

In No Man's Sky, you can never call a planet home, build a house, mine it, change the world itself. The goal is to continue playing the game, continue going inward. The mechanics in Minecraft compliment it. In No Man's Sky, whatever resource management and crafting to be done serves only one purpose.

[king of the internet]

No Man Skies looks like a chill game to play when you're too high to play a real game.  I might buy it when it's ten dollars or less for something to space out to.

[mormapope]

No Man's Sky wouldn't deserve that much shit if it was $15 or $20 digital game at launch. But its a full priced $60 game with limited edition collector's boxsets 

[WanderingWind]

I'm going to play No Man's Sky, but yeah, it's looking severely lacking in meaningful content. The devs are giving us (supposedly) this infinite world, but with like, 3 things to do. You can mine with a gun. You can shoot with a gun. Or you can walk/fly around. I don't care how many purple dinosaur cats you put into the game, it's still going to get boring quickly.

[mormapope]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208017595&postcount=280

Even then, aren't there better examples of games like that?

Simcity comes to mind, Daikatana, etc.

I think people hear "procedural" and immediately think Spore for some reason. It's odd.

How is Daikatana a better example of wasted potential than Spore? 

A lot of Gaffers are either too young to remember Spore and the lead up to its release, or had console horse blinders on to not notice Spore.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208018075&postcount=292

I don't understand why a first person exploration game keeps getting compared to an RTS/RPG hybrid, that's pretty much it.

The games have nothing in common besides having "promises"? So they share that with basically every game ever made?

 

[qq more]

Spore had the worst launch I've ever seen. Daikatana doesn't even compare to it.

[Great Rumbler]

Spore was going to be the be all end all of sim games, that allowed you to play out every level of your personal civilization from microbe to the space age with tons of content and customization. Instead, it ruined Will Wright's career and marked the decline of Maxis as an outlet for anything but more The Sims.

[qq more]

That god awful DRM (the installer being only usable 3 TIMES before having to buy it again) really put a dent to the game. It got so many people pirating it instead because it was far less punishable 

[WanderingWind]

I'm going to play No Man's Sky, but yeah, it's looking severely lacking in meaningful content.

Aren't you the same guy you thinks Overwatch is a great game?

Overwatch promised an arena shooter. It delivered an area shooter. NMS is promising us an infinite world with...uh...stuff to do, no really we promise, we're not going to show it off because MYSTERY. If they deliver, I will happily eat crow. If you've been playing video games and haven't want to jump into a spaceship and travel from world to world seamlessly, you're dead inside and that's why you'll never find love in this world or the next.

But I was a teen when Romero tried to make people his bitch. I was there when Spore was going to generate universes. I've watched Molyneux promise oak trees that aged in real time. I don't believe shit developers say - especially when they refuse to show it a month away from launch.

[kick51]

 

[Rufus]

No. No, let's not.

[kick51]

sporn

[kick51]

No. No, let's not.

good call

[Let's Cyber]

I'm looking forward to No Man's Sky

 

[archie4208]

I'm looking forward to No Man's Sky

spoiler (click to show/hide)

when it's 75% off on a Steam sale

[close]

[Yulwei]

You know I thought MN9 would end up being a decent ride at least, but damn it legit looks like a POS. Watched a video of the final boss and

[Tasty]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208027395&postcount=20

HUELEN is BACK

And still thinks Sanders is "in it" with Clinton and Trump.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208027068&postcount=13

Also don't know if I agree with this post or not but it's probably unnecessarily snarky and neckbeardy. 🤔

[Tasty]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208027395&postcount=20

HUELEN is BACK

And still thinks Sanders is "in it" with Clinton and Trump.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208027068&postcount=13

Also don't know if I agree with this post or not but it's probably unnecessarily snarky and neckbeardy.

Well, Clinton Sanders and Trump are still going at it, 50 queers got massacred and killed in my home town by a man filled with hate, Tengoku Megamaix got stealth launched, this kid died,

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1237724

Anton died, and OS X got renamed to macOS.

 Oh fuck off.

 How are you going to throw in your stupid obsessions in with the massacre of LGBT people and people dying in freak accidents.

They're all on the same level for HUELEN.

Sonic's green eyes are equal to the Paris Attacks.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

I remember IGN did interviews this year, with the interviewer talking about how interesting and fresh it is that you need resources to use shields, your weapons. As if equipment degradation/upkeep or survival elements haven't been a thing for at least 25-35 years 

Hasn't stopped people from sperging all over Zelda's "groundbreaking" new features. 

[kick51]

i loved Loudninja's post.  Like...uh...thanks for the sony update.

I went down the Spore rabbit hole:
 

 I forgot that he even gave a TED talk on how Spore was going to teach young kids about the Scientific Method, philosophies, religion etc. etc. 

you haven't gone down shit until you look at some Sporn!  it's hilarious, I promise.

[mormapope]

I remember IGN did interviews this year, with the interviewer talking about how interesting and fresh it is that you need resources to use shields, your weapons. As if equipment degradation/upkeep or survival elements haven't been a thing for at least 25-35 years 

Hasn't stopped people from sperging all over Zelda's "groundbreaking" new features. 

Open world games are pretty stale, so something that allows you to interact with the open world constantly sorta deserves that praise. Zelda is taking all the cool gimmicky shit from multiple franchises and cramming into a intuitive package.

Fallout 4 on Xbone and PS4 has way less cool shit happening mechanically and interaction wise compared to a Wii-U game. The open world genre becoming incredibly stale is why Zelda is getting the reception its getting.

[mormapope]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1237972

That reference seems too coincidental, the five guys thing is what does it 

EDIT:

The affair began with the arrest of five men for breaking and entering into the DNC headquarters at the Watergate complex on Saturday, June 17, 1972.

With that info, its hard to tell if this is a sincere GG jab or a jab at Watergate
 

[kick51]

  @ the sporn vid.  jesus christ.


and not enough popcorn in the world for that zoe quinn thread

[mormapope]

This Zoe Quinn thread is great because a lot of Gaffers are choosing sides immediately.

I've heard that English localizations for Nintendo games often have meme-like jokes and jabs, so it being a joke lobbed at Zoe Quinn doesn't seem to far off. No matter what though, Nintendo can fall back on "its a Watergate joke guys" because the dialog fits that context perfectly as well.

Its legitimately hard to tell what the intention was. Watergate jokes or references for the Nintendo audience doesn't make any sense, but the Five Guys/Zoe Quinn context would also be limiting.

S Grade fuckery 

[thisismyusername]

I had no idea video took up that much room, btw. 15 minutes of 320x160 video is over 4 GB uncompressed?

Depends on how long the video is and the quality, but 1080p 45 mins is like 15-20 gigs, so yeah.

[SJDragoon]

This Zoe Quinn thread is great because a lot of Gaffers are choosing sides immediately.

I've heard that English localizations for Nintendo games often have meme-like jokes and jabs, so it being a joke lobbed at Zoe Quinn doesn't seem to far off. No matter what though, Nintendo can fall back on "its a Watergate joke guys" because the dialog fits that context perfectly as well.

Its legitimately hard to tell what the intention was. Watergate jokes or references for the Nintendo audience doesn't make any sense, but the Five Guys/Zoe Quinn context would also be limiting.

S Grade fuckery 

I'm just shaking my head at so many people in that thread. I get wanting to be on the side of someone that has suffered abuse but critical thinking doesn't need to go out the fucking window.

[Kara]

I suppose it's a sign of the times that a -gate joke immediately makes people think of an irrelevant ongoing event instead of actual history. Fucking Fukuyama.

[thisismyusername]

framerates in that generation 

a lot of control schemes in that generation 

That generation was outside of 2D fighting games and other such arcade games

Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, and others were worthwhile. Yes, there's camera issues but that's due to the jump to 3D. Hell camera issues still weren't resolved in the PS2 era.

Less trash and more 'you had to be there'.
That gen was all about figuring how the fuck 3D is suppose to work, so along with that comes all these growing pains that make those games feel dated af.
Add to this some pretty flawed tech and that gen winds up retroactively looking a mess.

But back then it must have been exciting: the novelty of 3D, a shit ton of new IPs, some games that were actually groundbreaking.
I can imagine 2D stans being completely put off, esp coming off the SNES where 2D was already established and then pretty much perfected.
Safe to say those same stans knew some kanji. Could have copped a Saturn and some imports while me and the Revolution stay woke with Chameleon Twist.

Mmmm, no. I disagree. That generation was highly experimental and still is relevant to this day with all the stuff they did.

[nachobro]

18+ pages of stupid fucks who don't know their own country's history. Read a book instead of spending your days in The Last of Us, feggits 

[Dennis]

If it is a dig at Zoe Quinn, which I doubt though, you have to marvel at the ingenuity.

Plausible deniability by way of Watergate 

Choosing between Nintendo and Zoe got to be tearing some gaffers brains apart.

[mormapope]

If it is a dig at Zoe Quinn, which I doubt though, you have to marvel at the ingenuity.

Plausible deniability by way of Watergate 

Choosing between Nintendo and Zoe got to be tearing some gaffers brains apart.

Its too good.

We finally have a legitimate thread of fantastic fuckery this year.

It even named itself! Shufflegate 

[nachobro]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208037010&postcount=811

[kick51]

 It's a perfect shitstorm. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

itll be locked within the hour 

[close]

"Career ruining" def doesn't apply to her. She was riding on depression quest for a couple years up until this whole thing happened. Now she's got crashoverride, a book, and movie deal.

[stufte]

18+ pages of stupid fucks who don't know their own country's history. Read a book instead of spending your days in The Last of Us, feggits 

The idea that Nintendo would reference a fringe group or Quinn in a video game is laughable. It's pathetic that Quinn and a uncomfortable amount of posters on GAF think it's about her. It boggles my mind.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

GAF also likes to pretend that they are relevant (see: girl link)

[kick51]

18+ pages of stupid fucks who don't know their own country's history. Read a book instead of spending your days in The Last of Us, feggits 

The idea that Nintendo would reference a fringe group or Quinn in a video game is laughable. It's pathetic that Quinn and a uncomfortable amount of posters on GAF think it's about her. It boggles my mind.

Because they don't actually give a fuck. They picked her like a fan picks a band, sports team, or video game console and defend her + their own neogaf brand of social justice till the end

[mormapope]

18+ pages of stupid fucks who don't know their own country's history. Read a book instead of spending your days in The Last of Us, feggits 

The idea that Nintendo would reference a fringe group or Quinn in a video game is laughable. It's pathetic that Quinn and a uncomfortable amount of posters on GAF think it's about her. It boggles my mind.

The main reason why I find the GG angle plausible at all is because of the north american localization team and how they write.

I don't agree with the indignation in this image, but it shows the memes

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Nobody has given a fuck about gamergate in two years.  It's time for these dorks to move on.

[nachobro]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208038987&postcount=1146

rip this dude

[mormapope]

Damn, the thread is already locked.   

[nachobro]

27 pages

[stufte]

18+ pages of stupid fucks who don't know their own country's history. Read a book instead of spending your days in The Last of Us, feggits 

The idea that Nintendo would reference a fringe group or Quinn in a video game is laughable. It's pathetic that Quinn and a uncomfortable amount of posters on GAF think it's about her. It boggles my mind.

The main reason why I find the GG angle plausible at all is because of the north american localization team and how they write.

I don't agree with the indignation in this image, but it shows the memes

(Image removed from quote.)

NOA does reference memes from time to time, but the idea that they're referencing something like GG is silly. GG isn't even a blip on the pop-culture radar. Doge on the other hand, my kids who don't even internet know what doge is. Much know.

[nudemacusers]

This makes SEAL training sound alright. Gross.

  http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208001993&postcount=12

One page about actual real world problem.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1237972

25 pages about someone overreacting.