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fizzel

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26460 on: September 13, 2016, 09:35:12 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=216743425&postcount=14379

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Compared to absolutely every other Hillary stumble/scandal/screwup of the campaign that I'm likely to panic about, I'm taking the Deplorables thing as almost a non-thing. This is not logical.

I realized it's Gamergate. I'm too used to the alt-right crap. I know the lingo, I know the memes, I know their typical tactics, fucking Pepe, I know their preferred language and attack methods. It's not at all new to me for these people to be flagged as all-around miserable human beings. No irony needed, no exaggerations, it's simply a factual statement to me.

The average voter has no freaking clue how awful that segment of the Trump base is. Like nooooooo clue. Hell, I'd say even the more casual poster or lurker here doesn't know how deep this goes. Even if you sat them down to explain it and showed them all the receipts, they'd never think there could be people that downright terrible floating around that are allowed to vote. The more it gets exposed, the more it'll click with people. One of the most predictable tendencies of the alt-right is for it make complete fools of themselves, and, lo and behold, they're already making a lovely effort of that. Even better, they're proud of themselves! The reaction on Reddit was proof--On Sunday the dominant discussion was Hillary's health and not the thing she said that, one would think, would infuriate them all.

So explaining this concept to my parents and some friends have them confused. They're all in a panic. The media lacks the perspective, too. People say her statement was too broad or a gaffe, but it was quite careful. Even the non-apology clarification was that she didn't mean half; She still entirely meant what she said at its core. Even if Hillary herself and the campaign don't understand it, they said the absolute perfect thing. It just needs a bit more time to play out. Even without her campaigning for a few days it's already started to turn around.


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benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26461 on: September 13, 2016, 09:43:52 AM »
When GAFers fail to realise they're the paedophilic den of failure, mental illness, fur-suits and constantly on the fringe of political obscurity.
DEBUNKD: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1272145

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Yup. GAF actually has some of the most rational discussions and views of politics I have seen anywhere. In general we are close to right on most things. Typically if people get too far off the facts they get called out for it, whether they are shilling too hard or not.

agrajag

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26462 on: September 13, 2016, 10:01:36 AM »
#takepepeback

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26463 on: September 13, 2016, 10:12:29 AM »
You know what else the alt right wants to take back? Net neutrality. Like this post if you want an Internet that abides by basic regulations to make it safe for all.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26464 on: September 13, 2016, 10:13:32 AM »
When GAFers fail to realise they're the paedophilic den of failure, mental illness, fur-suits and constantly on the fringe of political obscurity.
DEBUNKD: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1272145

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Yup. GAF actually has some of the most rational discussions and views of politics I have seen anywhere. In general we are close to right on most things. Typically if people get too far off the facts they get called out for it, whether they are shilling too hard or not.

Close to right?

Like right political leanings?

Or does he mean correct? As in congratulations you are correct about something that is subjective?
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26465 on: September 13, 2016, 10:52:01 AM »

Atramental

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26466 on: September 13, 2016, 10:54:14 AM »
"Virtue Signaling" The Thread

VomKriege

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26467 on: September 13, 2016, 10:59:14 AM »
Close to right?

Like right political leanings?

Or does he mean correct? As in congratulations you are correct about something that is subjective?

Obviously the latter since he speak of not drifting too "far off the facts" next.
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zomgee

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26468 on: September 13, 2016, 11:01:30 AM »
Close to right?

Like right political leanings?

Or does he mean correct? As in congratulations you are correct about something that is subjective?

Obviously the latter since he speak of not drifting too "far off the facts" next.

I think I knew that I just wanted to have someone type it out for me so someone else could experience being right.
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Atramental

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26470 on: September 13, 2016, 11:08:34 AM »
Expect maturity and stalwart advice from college aged video game enthusiasts, brehs.


benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26472 on: September 13, 2016, 11:14:51 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=216780985&postcount=651
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I mean come on people. Pepe specifically was shouted at Clinton during her alt-right speech for a reason.


benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26473 on: September 13, 2016, 11:27:41 AM »
Sometimes you get the impression that certain GAFers would be carving headphones out of trees and lighting flares on the runway to signal for John Frum to return.

VomKriege

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26474 on: September 13, 2016, 11:31:53 AM »
:picard

They're literally fighting shadows in that thread. "But look, here's Pepe used by a racist !" and here is 100.000 variations of that meme without any political meaning. Yes obviously that meme is used in that image discussed as a nod to Trump viral supporters, which includes many fuckwits... but maybe instead of trying to explain to our parents what the fuck "Pepe la grenouille" is, that article used on Clinton official website should actually spend more time discussing Alex Jones. There's more than enough here to illustrate the type of shit peddlers Trumps panders to.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=216782533&postcount=664

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Wait, so people are actually arguing that Pepe is not the white supremacist mascot?

Oh man, that small mustache guy got cucked !
« Last Edit: September 13, 2016, 11:37:29 AM by VomKriege »
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26475 on: September 13, 2016, 11:48:30 AM »
So should a skin head get a swastika or a pepe tattoo before joining the brotherhood?

 :huh
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benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26476 on: September 13, 2016, 12:02:00 PM »
So should a skin head get a swastika or a pepe tattoo before joining the brotherhood?

 :huh
oh you poor sweet summer child

Let's Cyber

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26477 on: September 13, 2016, 12:26:40 PM »
Sometimes you get the impression that certain GAFers would be carving headphones out of trees and lighting flares on the runway to signal for John Frum to return.
The stakes are too high breh. 

If you're not willing to build an sacrifical altar out in the deep wood and burn 3 Trump effigies made of squirrel bones and orange peel shavings twice a week during the witching hour then I question your dedication to the cause.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  At worst it does nothing but think about the possible benefits here. 

benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26478 on: September 13, 2016, 12:36:16 PM »
Quote from: Mael, re: not voting Democrat
It's ok as long as you keep your hands pure and have the rest of the people do the heavy lifting for you.
It's win-win situation, whenever something bad happens you can always blame the people you never choose and claim your hands are clean in a situation you helped create.
The perfect deal!
i like can't even, i feel dirty for actually laughing out loud at an argument someone made on the internet

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brawndolicious

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26480 on: September 13, 2016, 12:43:18 PM »
The septum ring phenomenon has been disturbing me for months now and I'm 100% CAC.

It must be a black thing. I went to pretty much all white/Asian high school and college and never associated septum rings with lesbionical angry feminists. Although absolutely everyone was some sort of feminist in Santa Cruz.

I feel like a lot of the black dudes who are angry at black girls for dating white men are "nice guys". I'm not saying there's definitely no bias or trend now, but seriously, just expand your dating pool.

FStop7

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26481 on: September 13, 2016, 12:45:30 PM »
Great post by modbot to close out the Pepe thread well done very well thought out good job moderating the conversation and not posting an anonymous "zinger" nice discussion nice site nice life A++++

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26482 on: September 13, 2016, 12:48:14 PM »

archie4208

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26483 on: September 13, 2016, 12:48:50 PM »
tfw you use an alt-right symbol to express your displeasure.  :fbm

benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26484 on: September 13, 2016, 12:56:49 PM »
Great post by modbot to close out the Pepe thread well done very well thought out good job moderating the conversation and not posting an anonymous "zinger" nice discussion nice site nice life A++++
should have deleted everything back to this post and locked it without modbot so it ended with this: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=216789409&postcount=704

railGUN

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26485 on: September 13, 2016, 01:15:54 PM »
Pepe memes in a thread about the Pepe meme? Who da thunk.
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VomKriege

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26486 on: September 13, 2016, 01:34:38 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1277778

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Yeah but how would he know to approach Libyan terrorists? These terrorists in particular? The question is how he would have such connections/associations.

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But did he put out an ad in the paper?
The idea is, is it shady that he'd know who to go to in the first place?

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It makes you wonder what kind of channels that the Doc went through in 1984-5 to put the word out there that he is a scientist who is interested in working with nuclear fission. How would a person like that promote himself to the right people without stirring suspicion from government agencies?

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Momo

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26487 on: September 13, 2016, 01:39:37 PM »
RE the Pepe thread, I wanted to reiterate my amazement at how fucking dumb people are, but then I realized it's just those same fucks who try and sell whatever dumb narrative their queen is putting up in the shop window, I dont think they believe the nonsense they were peddling, but if they did I fully 100% support ending their miserable existences.

Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26488 on: September 13, 2016, 02:07:20 PM »
How are they dealing with Clinton getting beaten in polls over the past few weeks, btw?

stufte

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26489 on: September 13, 2016, 02:10:41 PM »
How are they dealing with Clinton getting beaten in polls over the past few weeks, btw?


Let's Cyber

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26490 on: September 13, 2016, 02:23:47 PM »
"I hate people using the word optics! Stop talking about them as if they were ever relevant, esp with The Queen." Here's a list of all the time you used optics as a character attack in a tangentially related thread. Enjoy.
OH WOW I guess you're going back through my post history and expect me to be logically consistent with my arguments?  Grow up.

The stakes are too high for me not to be a hypocrite. 

headwalk

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26491 on: September 13, 2016, 02:35:54 PM »
How are they dealing with Clinton getting beaten in polls over the past few weeks, btw?

by locking threads linking to her own campaign homepage.

Momo

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26492 on: September 13, 2016, 02:44:48 PM »

wsippel

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26493 on: September 13, 2016, 03:07:26 PM »

benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26494 on: September 13, 2016, 03:21:43 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=216808524&postcount=14792

 :heh

David Duke supporters probably have more "one of the good ones" black and jewish friends than some GAFers know anything about anyone outside their cultural-political bubble. Not saying Valhelm is one, but I've seen a lot of these posts in threads like "how can someone so normal looking support Trump?"

benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26495 on: September 13, 2016, 03:31:50 PM »
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So Trump had a speech targeting minorities in a 94% white state.

GENIUS.
cuz black people gotta travel to hear someone speak, these lieberal TRUE racists mang

zomgee

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26496 on: September 13, 2016, 03:46:22 PM »
http://www.scribblrs.com/tumblr-injecting-affiliate-links/

gaf does this already yeah?

Yes, via VigLink. You can disable their injector here: http://www.viglink.com/opt-out/

Surfers of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your cookies and maybe a little of your search history.
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railGUN

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26497 on: September 13, 2016, 04:05:26 PM »
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Also, just got porn pop up.

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Edit: And now a porn redirect. How is this shit acceptable? Get it fixed.

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Just got redirected to a MILF dating site that wouldn't let me go back. Was on subscribed threads

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zomgee

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26498 on: September 13, 2016, 04:08:48 PM »
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archie4208

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26499 on: September 13, 2016, 04:08:52 PM »
uBlock now.  :doge

VomKriege

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26500 on: September 13, 2016, 04:17:12 PM »
Is Evilore even doing anything or just saying he is ?  :lol
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railGUN

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26502 on: September 13, 2016, 05:20:57 PM »
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Russia hate train choo choo
Sigh

Banned.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=216820098&postcount=109

 :lol
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benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26503 on: September 13, 2016, 05:22:37 PM »
guys i found proof the media is in the tank for white supremacists like Trump: http://www.post-gazette.com/business/pittsburgh-company-news/2015/11/17/President-general-manager-Joseph-Pepe-leaving-Pittsburgh-Post-Gazette/stories/201511170185
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Joseph Pepe, who joined the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette as president and general manager in October 2012, is leaving the company.

stufte

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26504 on: September 13, 2016, 05:22:53 PM »
https://twitter.com/JaredTSwift

HAHAH oh shit. So this is apparently the source of the Pepe/Nazi thing. A teenagers troll twitter account. This election cycle is amazeballs.

benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26505 on: September 13, 2016, 05:38:16 PM »
i don't know what is going on in that alex jones clip in the pinned tweet but i'm both ashamed and aroused

Raist

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26506 on: September 13, 2016, 05:40:47 PM »
Is Evilore even doing anything or just saying he is ?  :lol

About to crank it up to working on it for 170~180h a week soon, my sources say.

zepblackstar

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26507 on: September 13, 2016, 05:52:15 PM »
Serena got legal oxy... niceee


VomKriege

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26508 on: September 13, 2016, 05:57:58 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=216822213&postcount=174

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I do think part of it has to do with a lot of European countries not familiar with the prowess of African American athletes due to their dominance of American centric sports instead of Eurocentric ones like Tennis and Gymnastics, so there's an underlying belief that Serena and Simone can't be as dominant without illegal substances aiding them.

Wait... What ?
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Olivia Wilde Homo

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26509 on: September 13, 2016, 06:04:22 PM »
I think I've given up.

 I've just been plainly calling individual posters morons, idiots, or whatever else fits the bill.

 "North Korea is actually better than US policy wise." You're a moron.

 "Memes are literally hate symbols" You're being simplistic and talking out of your ass.

  "I hate people using the word optics! Stop talking about them as if they were ever relevant, esp with The Queen." Here's a list of all the time you used optics as a character attack in a tangentially related thread. Enjoy.

 GAF has gone full :derp lately and it's hard not to just call people out for it.

Lately?

A decade ago there were left wing gaffers who cited holocaust deniers for their arguments.  PoliGAF has always been dumb and always will be dumb.  It's the kids from Political Science 101 who decide that they know everything about anything.
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Jansen

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benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26512 on: September 13, 2016, 06:24:52 PM »
Ha, found the 800+ post thread about it: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494540

Ending with a banned Squiddy. R.I.P. in peace.

Also, an insensitive Evilore joking about rape: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42985720&postcount=818
Quote from: Evilore
I kissed a girl and she liked it. The taste of my cherry chapstick

benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26513 on: September 13, 2016, 06:28:47 PM »
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GAFers get all up in a huff about DA FEMINISTS and pretend to be outraged about things to show their distaste. It's cute.
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Back-pats, fist-bumps, and bro-fives all around for passive aggressive resistance to the evil feminist agenda.
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The somewhat overwrought and dramatic analysis aside, if what we know is accurate (e.g. that she had no choice in the matter and he simply grabbed her and kissed her and this is something he was doing to multiple women) this seems like pretty unambiguous sexual assault. I'm honestly surprised after the last topic of "Women should deal with what happens to them in public"-GAF that we'd have people acting like being grabbed and kissed against one's will is not a problem. I suppose it puts some of the attitudes in that thread in perspective, however.
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You don't think the term 'stomach turning' is a little bit hyperbolic?
I would find it stomach turning if some man grabbed me and kissed me without my wanting it, yes.
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That was actually an accidental multi-quote, and I apologize. That said, the reason I'm harping on faux-outrage is because it's an incredibly grating, no-content way of expressing disagreement or disbelief without making an actual argument.

If someone wants to say that all feminists are dummies, that this shouldn't be considered sexual assault, that she was asking for it, etc. they should say that.
Ah, the good 'ol days on GAF.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26514 on: September 13, 2016, 06:43:36 PM »
https://twitter.com/JaredTSwift

HAHAH oh shit. So this is apparently the source of the Pepe/Nazi thing. A teenagers troll twitter account. This election cycle is amazeballs.

I can hear a collective sigh of relief from dozens of british politicians, as the USA slowly but surely take back the crown for the most hilariously pathetic political trainwreck of the current year.

FStop7

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26515 on: September 13, 2016, 07:12:24 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1278231

you're probably alt-right if you complain about the mobile site, just saying


Let's Cyber

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26516 on: September 13, 2016, 07:20:54 PM »
Once one is ready to jump in the trenches and engage with trolls for hundreds of hours over the course of the an election year concerning a grandma carrying hotsauce in her purse or whether 80 degrees should be considered "hot" or not, it's really just mental masturbation.  Self righteousness can be intoxicating especially when you mix in witch hunts and all of your peers are sipping the same kool-aid.
Lately?

A decade ago there were left wing gaffers who cited holocaust deniers for their arguments.  PoliGAF has always been dumb and always will be dumb.  It's the kids from Political Science 101 who decide that they know everything about anything.
Maybe I'm romanticizing the past but I don't remember the wannabe political strategists and PR mouthpieces being this bad 8 or 9 years ago.  The tribalism feels like it is on another level now

I should go back and read more threads from the democratic primary and general election in 08, it'd be an interesting comparison.

benjipwns

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26517 on: September 13, 2016, 07:26:29 PM »
They drove off dissenters hard the last couple years with the piling on technique, and then even have turned off friendlies with the Hillary spamming. I've gotten PMs lamenting it from unexpected sources.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26518 on: September 13, 2016, 07:53:53 PM »
The septum ring phenomenon has been disturbing me for months now and I'm 100% CAC.

It must be a black thing. I went to pretty much all white/Asian high school and college and never associated septum rings with lesbionical angry feminists.

Nah, it's popular with alternative/hippy-ish women. I know a alt-punk white girl that has one. I don't get the appeal either.

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gaf does this already yeah?

Yes, via VigLink. You can disable their injector here: http://www.viglink.com/opt-out/

Hard Ublock adblocks will stop it as well IIRC.

Speaking of which:

http://lifehacker.com/adblock-plus-is-now-selling-acceptable-ads-1786589122

If you're using that POS, stop and get Purify (mobile) and Ublock Origin (by Gorhil) on desktop
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nudemacusers

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #26519 on: September 13, 2016, 08:36:54 PM »
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1278250

Problematic, toxic thread in the making  :doge
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