Author Topic: MGSV thread of there's a game coming out. (Read 121943 times)

mormapope · « **Reply #600 on:** October 09, 2015, 08:46:06 PM »

I've probably played MGS1 and MGS2 the most. I've done all the VR missions in MGS2 twice, first person mode VR missions is probably the jankiest thing to ever come out of Japan.

Also, the boss fights don't suck. Dead Cell is lame when it comes to artistic design (besides Fatman and Solidus).

They require skill and pattern recognition, you need to get good for higher difficulties and there is minimal room for fuck ups. MGS4's boss fights require minimal pattern recognition and all you need to do is unload ammo into each boss, very little thinking required. If I was going to point at bad boss fights, MGS4 would be a prime candidate.

mormapope · « **Reply #601 on:** October 09, 2015, 08:57:21 PM »

Biggest gameplay mistake in the MGS series is the tranq pistol. Normal difficulty in MGS2 and MGS3 are piss easy when it comes to stealth.

Kara · « **Reply #602 on:** October 09, 2015, 09:59:21 PM »

The first BB fight in 4 is probably the worst boss fight in the series. The second is a lot better, but ultimately hamstrung by the claustrophobic level design that permeates the game and drags it down.

Dead Cell rule. Bishie nano-vampires. Soul sisters. Roller skating fat men. Samurai octopus arm Big Boss clones.

Agree with Bebpo about the sterility of 2. I also find it extremely unambitious from a mechanical standpoint. I'd rather have the mess of half baked, underutilized mechanical change in 4 or the OMG change of 3 over 2's refined evolution. And tbh, FPS and the tranq gun really aren't refined, they're substantial changes to the way 1 plays. Neither for the better imo. (I like the idea of giving players the choice of whether or not to be an avatar of Khorne, however.)

mormapope · « **Reply #603 on:** October 09, 2015, 10:14:00 PM »

MGS2 would've been a lot different if there weren't loading screen dividers. It would've made the game a lot more challenging if guards as an entire unit moved around the tanker or Big Shell in different shifts, or if they can chase you around a connected areas and kill you without a loading screen checkpoint being a safety net if you die. Save games being the only checkpoints would've also upped tension and challenge.

The loading screens themselves aren't obtrusive, but each transition being its own checkpoint lowers tension a lot unless you're doing a Big Boss rank run. MGS2 has great gameplay, incredibly puzzle like in nature, but a lot of that is in the scenario based VR missions and Snake Tales. Harder difficulties in the main game lower resources, which make things a lot more interesting.

I think everything being connected without loading screens was an idea during MGS2's production, but the team couldn't get around that hurdle.

Bebpo · « **Reply #604 on:** October 09, 2015, 10:17:50 PM »

Ok, yeah maybe the bosses in 2 are alright. I just can't remember any of them besides Fatman and Samurai Solidus and I remember those being not that fun. The boss fights in 4 sucked and Peace Walker and 5 doesn't really have any boss fights. 3 Had amazing bosses and 1 had good fights. I still enjoy lobbing those grenades into Vulcan Raven's tank top.

Tranq gun makes MGS stealth fun. It's overpowered but without it the stealth would be brutal and not enjoyable. MGS has the most fun stealth out of every stealth game (although Mark of the Ninja is pretty close), lots of games make stealth or stealth sections miserable, but MGS nails the enjoyment. Plus not having any sort of instant fail is important since the game transitions seamlessly into an action shooter when you're discovered and almost no other game does that.

mormapope · « **Reply #605 on:** October 09, 2015, 10:27:16 PM »

I'm dumb founded that there hasn't been an indie/smaller studio attempt at taking MGS1 and adding a lot new stuff to it.

Like, MGS1 or MGS2 with a sprint mechanic would change a ton of stuff gameplay wise. Auto aim that works. Being able to jump or climb untop of things. More buttons dedicated to hand to hand combat. Crouch walking. Guards being able to smell blood or other things in the environment.

These types of changes applied to something like MGS1 or MGS2, which would mean fixed camera angles and an emphasis on extremely detailed areas, would be exciting to see.

Kara · « **Reply #606 on:** October 09, 2015, 10:36:05 PM »

The tranq gun gives a lot more gameplay freedom for stealth players, yeah. Trying to stealth through 1 isn't fun a lot of the time, and probably why I "enjoy the killing" and don't bother too much with it when I play other entries. I think I got the enjoy the killing trophy either in the Middle East or just after it in 4.

Just wish it had more drawbacks, but tbh silenced guns have a similar problem. Real talk: baby me probs cried tears of joy when I got the silencer for the SOCOM in 1.

mormapope · « **Reply #607 on:** October 09, 2015, 10:43:08 PM »

MGS1 is pretty easy stealth wise, but for it to be easy you have to stand in a safe spot and watch the guards go along their routes in first person. I always had issues getting discovered until Snake sat on his ass and watched 180 IQ guards go in simple patterns or circles from 30 feet away.

There are only a couple of areas where footsteps make noise, so it comes down to peaking in first person, seeing where a guard is in their route, and then beelining to the next area.

The only area or room where the guards don't have predetermined routes is the mill/refinery area towards the end of the game. The guards in that area will come towards you and fuck with the player.

MGS1 is more about memorization than anything. MGS2 has a lot more tools for adaptive gameplay and the guards have better sightlines, but the tranq gun nullifies those things or enhancements.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #608 on:** October 09, 2015, 11:15:02 PM »

i always see mgs lames point to the story (or the last hour of it anyway) to defend the game, but I've yet to hear a defense of the way it reuses the puzzles from mgs1/mg2 but makes them worse. like bebpo said, that's what at makes them weaker than 1 or 3. you spend a lot of time backtracking or doing something extremely unfun like swimming or babysitting or platforming and then the games over. it fails to have good scenario variety, and when you combine that with ok to frustrating boss fights, you get a pretty tedious game.

mormapope · « **Reply #609 on:** October 09, 2015, 11:32:21 PM »

Legitimate criticism, I enjoy MGS2 in it's entirety but the scenarios are paced really awkwardly, along with design decisions that aren't elegant at all.

Kara · « **Reply #610 on:** October 09, 2015, 11:36:08 PM »

When people talk about ludonarrative dissonance existing I always think of how 2 justifies its repetition with its story (we're recreating Shadow Moses!) and how that doesn't make the game better.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #611 on:** October 09, 2015, 11:38:46 PM »

Swimming wasn't that bad. The sniping on the strut to protect Emma on higher difficulties, meanwhile...

mormapope · « **Reply #612 on:** October 09, 2015, 11:47:33 PM »

Quote from: thisismyusername on October 09, 2015, 11:38:46 PM

Swimming wasn't that bad. The sniping on the strut to protect Emma on higher difficulties, meanwhile...

Sniping in MGS1 and MGS2 is

On higher difficulties you have to shoot Vamp multiple times in the head when he takes Emma hostage, if I remember correctly

thisismyusername · « **Reply #613 on:** October 09, 2015, 11:56:54 PM »

Yeah, all the while her health drains.

SweatingFatlus.gif and all that.

VomKriege · « **Reply #614 on:** October 10, 2015, 02:23:18 AM »

Quote from: Kara on October 09, 2015, 11:36:08 PM

When people talk about ludonarrative dissonance existing I always think of how 2 justifies its repetition with its story (we're recreating Shadow Moses!) and how that doesn't make the game better.

I think that's expecting too much of the concept, which only highlights that dissonance could hurt immersion (and carries some weird moral undertones). Weak gameplay is weak, no matter what.

Kara · « **Reply #615 on:** October 10, 2015, 02:43:57 AM »

"My name is Fortune, lucky in war and nothing else."

Barraco Barner · « **Reply #616 on:** October 11, 2015, 12:02:52 PM »

Just finished it

If I would have known it was Peace Walker with a bigger budget, I would have skipped.

Kara · « **Reply #617 on:** October 11, 2015, 04:24:49 PM »

Oh my GOD, Big Boss CQCing Solid Snake TO GIVE HIM A HUG.

Kojima-sama

Now do I jump on to Ground Zeroes or Peace Walker.

Bebpo · « **Reply #618 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:12:04 PM »

I dunnoooooo, I guess just jump into Ground Zeroes? I mean with Peace Walker the story is dumb and nothing really happens that matters in the timeline, and all the gameplay stuff is similar and done better in MGSV. I liked Peace Walker, but I think MGSV maybe has made it an irrelevant game.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #619 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:20:31 PM »

Do Peace Walker. It'll prepare you for Phantom Pain.

Bebpo · « **Reply #620 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:33:17 PM »

Why do you need to be prepared? GZ prepares you for TPP.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #621 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:48:01 PM »

play rising

Kara · « **Reply #622 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:53:08 PM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on October 11, 2015, 05:48:01 PM

play rising

Sick and tired of Gekkos.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #623 on:** October 11, 2015, 06:01:31 PM »

LOL I bought Rising for 8 bucks and finished it in a single sitting

Kara · « **Reply #624 on:** October 11, 2015, 07:15:01 PM »

I need to play Peace Walker from what it said in the synopsis in Ground Zeroes. Child Sandinistas idolize Big Boss as being like their hero CHÉ GUEVARA.

Kara · « **Reply #625 on:** October 11, 2015, 07:38:02 PM »

Holy shit this rules. 4 was flabby and sick (like Snake-u) in terms of controls but this is like bathing in liquid butter. Not having to push a button to stick to walls, we made it y'all.

No camo though. :'(

thisismyusername · « **Reply #626 on:** October 11, 2015, 08:19:29 PM »

Wait, you playing Ground Zeroes or Peace Walker? Because you have to press a button to cover in Peace Walker.

Also it wasn't child Sandinistas. It was the Sandinistas.

Kara · « **Reply #627 on:** October 11, 2015, 08:32:17 PM »

Ground Zeroes.

Kara · « **Reply #628 on:** October 12, 2015, 02:57:39 AM »

Damn, that game be short af.

Still hella fun doe. Time to play The Phantom Pain I guess.

Junpei the Tracer! · « **Reply #629 on:** October 12, 2015, 08:17:12 AM »

Even though you've moved on, I would still recommend playing Peace Walker. I really enjoyed it, the missions are short, the introduction of the tapes were cool and it's not super difficult aside from some of the bosses. It's just kinda long overall, if you wanted to get to the final chapter you may have grind for a bit depending on how you played the game and the final boss was soooo frustrating. If anything you're probably better off just going through the regular game and watching the rest on youtube if you're not really into it.

The tapes really made it for me. Also if you don't play it, you'll miss out on Paz in her prime

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #630 on:** October 12, 2015, 08:36:25 AM »

Peace Walker bad and it's the trendsetter for many of MGSV's faluts.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #631 on:** October 12, 2015, 11:16:25 AM »

as someone who plays the series for the gameplay, i thought peace walker was an alright game. it was really REALLY easy, but the level design is pretty good and the item selection is fun to play around with.

also the campaign is real short if that's all you're looking to play thru. even the grinding that everyone bitches about to get to the secret boss amounts to like a couple hours of vr missions. decent enough game and much better than mgs4 obviously

Kara · « **Reply #632 on:** October 12, 2015, 11:46:40 AM »

I don't own either so I'll probably just pick 'em both up at a Shamestop today and burn my carefully constructed "disinterested uncle just here to pick up some games my distant gene repositories asked for" persona. Kojima-sama is worth it.

Playing Snake Eater in 720p.

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #633 on:** October 12, 2015, 02:07:20 PM »

I mean I checked out on the story of PW before playing it. I don't even know what happen in it really. The reason it's trash is because of the gameplay.

It is easy, piss easy but that's because the levels are super small and the ai so simple that their patterns are extremely simple. Even so, it's really easy to either just run up and cqc them or just stand in a corner and tranq everything. You could play around with the ai, but the game offers no compelling reason to. It's even easier in the HD version since your not fighting with the game's controls. Shooting is so easy and there's no drawback to it.

A couple of vr missions? No you have to do far more then a couple to level up anything because the rate up is tied to doing and completing missions and not a timer like in V. Which also means your playing the same missions over and over. Missions that are super boring and easy. It's busy work to make the game less tedious. Not make it easy mind you. All the boss battles are just extreme damage sponges that don't really kill you. The only way to make the battles not drag is to of course grind and grind. Grind for people and grind for the level up to just simply happen.

It's a terrible game not even counting the story.

Level design good in PW? Ha that's so stupid. The levels ore the most plain and simple of the series. Not to mention small as shit and offering little choice in traversal. 5 is a big improvement here.

Even MGS4 is better than PW because at least it doesn't take a shit on you while you play.

If you must play PW which I don't even think you do for 5. Get a save where someone's already done the work so you can skip it's bullshit.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #634 on:** October 12, 2015, 03:20:36 PM »

now point and show me where kojima touched you

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #635 on:** October 12, 2015, 03:37:17 PM »

On the heart.

Kara · « **Reply #636 on:** October 12, 2015, 04:05:05 PM »

I felt pretty lost during Ground Zeroes having not played Peace Walker. Like why do I gaf about Peace and Boy? Text summaries can only convey so much. I need in-game melodrama to amp me up.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #637 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:02:43 PM »

Chico isn't a big deal in Peace Walker outside of the Monster Hunter stuff. Seriously, him and Amanda are pretty throw-away characters.

Paz is a major deal, so you skipping that entry kinda makes her stuff in Ground Zeroes a bit weird.

Bebpo · « **Reply #638 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:10:28 PM »

Paz is pretty much a throwaway character too. Everyone in Peace Walker sucks except for Miller.

and

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ROCKET PUUUUUUNCH galvez

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Kara · « **Reply #639 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:51:11 PM »

I'm the kind of person who geeked the F out in 4 when they explained Vulcan Raven's disposable comment of "blood from the East flows through your veins" in 1. There are no disposable characters for me.

Shamestop didn't have Phantom Pain on PSTriple. The #struggles of a console pleb. :'(

thisismyusername · « **Reply #640 on:** October 12, 2015, 10:59:51 PM »

Quote from: Kara on October 12, 2015, 05:51:11 PM

Shamestop didn't have Phantom Pain on PSTriple. The #struggles of a console pleb. :'(

Huh. I just bought one this week. But the "new" code that came with it doesn't work (so I'm bitching at Konami for that. So I can hopefully FTP the content out for the PC to use years from now.

), so win/loss I guess.

http://www.gamestop.com/browse/storesearch.aspx?sku=102187

Well, Beverly Hills: 90210 apparently has copies. But I dunno your Zip/location in LA(?) so I can't accurately say.

Freyj · « **Reply #641 on:** October 12, 2015, 11:44:16 PM »

Running from Side Op to Side Op with Quiet in Angola is the most fun I've had with the game so far. It's an absolute travesty that the game pretty much forces you to:

Side Op -> Heli -> Repeat -> do a Mission -> Side Op -> Heli -> Repeat

Taking over a map outpost by outpost is a great feeling. Playing Menu Gear Solid 5 to warp between Side Ops is not so great a feeling.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #642 on:** October 13, 2015, 12:07:03 AM »

You don't need to. You can free-roam to the next side-op. The problem is that some side-ops don't update until you go back to the "ACC" to allow you to do the new ones. Which is frustrating but nothing that really drags the game down if you're doing these side-ops and going back since you get a top-off on ammo instead of having to resort to ammo drops.

Freyj · « **Reply #643 on:** October 13, 2015, 12:11:03 AM »

I'd much rather the majority of side ops be available to start with than to be slowly introduced over the course of the story. The refresh at ACC thing just brings the experience down as you're never really enjoying the maps so much as warping in and out of small areas.

Kara · « **Reply #644 on:** October 13, 2015, 12:20:15 AM »

Quote from: thisismyusername on October 12, 2015, 10:59:51 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 12, 2015, 05:51:11 PM
Shamestop didn't have Phantom Pain on PSTriple. The #struggles of a console pleb. :'(

Huh. I just bought one this week. But the "new" code that came with it doesn't work (so I'm bitching at Konami for that. So I can hopefully FTP the content out for the PC to use years from now. ), so win/loss I guess.

http://www.gamestop.com/browse/storesearch.aspx?sku=102187

Well, Beverly Hills: 90210 apparently has copies. But I dunno your Zip/location in LA(?) so I can't accurately say.

Thanks, I ordered a copy from Scamazon. With delivery ended up being cheaper than if Shamestop had had it today.

Kara · « **Reply #645 on:** October 13, 2015, 12:45:04 AM »

omg Travis Touchdown AND Spike Spiegel outchea in Peace Walker.

E: can't knife people in cqc, the struggle has never been more real :'(

Kara · « **Reply #646 on:** October 13, 2015, 11:39:41 AM »

Walker of Peace is super inoffensive but pleasant. Like a 2.75 ounce bag of Fritos. It even has some welcome changes like limiting your camouflage choices once a mission has started or fucking badass multitarget CQC. And of course Sandinista waifus.

Jun-chan

Metal Gear "fans" that should play some jank game like Tenchu instead of basking in Kojima-sama's genius.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #647 on:** October 13, 2015, 11:59:34 AM »

Quote from: Freyj on October 13, 2015, 12:11:03 AM

I'd much rather the majority of side ops be available to start with than to be slowly introduced over the course of the story. The refresh at ACC thing just brings the experience down as you're never really enjoying the maps so much as warping in and out of small areas.

Once you get into the back half of the game (and you know it since the lack of story there) you'll be able to take on like 5-10 side-ops in the same map at the same time.

Quote from: Kara on October 13, 2015, 11:39:41 AM

Walker of Peace is super inoffensive but pleasant. Like a 2.75 ounce bag of Fritos. It even has some welcome changes like limiting your camouflage choices once a mission has started or fucking badass multitarget CQC. And of course Sandinista waifus.

http://i.imgur.com/fvL09TA.jpg

Jun-chan

Metal Gear "fans" that should play some jank game like Tenchu instead of basking in Kojima-sama's genius.

Based on that image, you're playing the PSP version? The HD/PS360 copy at least has online play if you were going to do the Monster Hunter side-ops for the unlocks. Also once you get the banana say good bye to any difficulty in the game outside of the tank bosses.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #648 on:** October 13, 2015, 12:40:34 PM »

what did the banana do?

Kara · « **Reply #649 on:** October 13, 2015, 02:09:04 PM »

Playing on PS3. The comic scenes in HD.

nachobro · « **Reply #650 on:** October 13, 2015, 03:01:32 PM »

Just finished mission 43. Did not expect that to turn out how it did. Damn.

So now I just gotta get MB all leveled up and remove the butterfly from my emblem and I can finish this up?

thisismyusername · « **Reply #651 on:** October 13, 2015, 04:40:48 PM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on October 13, 2015, 12:40:34 PM

what did the banana do?

Hold-ups without you firing your gun accidentally. So you can basically aim it, "rush"/squat-walk up to someone and freeze them. In fact if you get good at holding up (since they'll automatically get down) you can just hold up and rush through the level on anyone with their back turned to you.

Quote from: nachobro on October 13, 2015, 03:01:32 PM

Just finished mission 43. Did not expect that to turn out how it did. Damn.

So now I just gotta get MB all leveled up and remove the butterfly from my emblem and I can finish this up?

For the ending? You don't need to remove the emblem. For the end of Quiet's arc? Yeah, do it.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #652 on:** October 13, 2015, 04:46:00 PM »

oh ok :shrug: i was already good at speeding thru a level doing that without the banana so o well. I'm actually only a few hours from s ranking all missions so i guess i might as well finish up that tedious-ass trophy

nachobro · « **Reply #653 on:** October 13, 2015, 05:28:28 PM »

Oh, well I guess I'll finish the game and then futz around until I feel like getting rid of Quiet.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #654 on:** October 13, 2015, 06:01:52 PM »

Best parts of the story so far:

Rescued a puppy, broke a kid's arm.

Also 22 missions in and I still haven't killed anyone.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #655 on:** October 15, 2015, 12:42:00 PM »

Got to Mission 16. Got frustrated. Other games came out.

Haven't played since.

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #656 on:** October 15, 2015, 12:51:14 PM »

Wow this FOB stuff is shit.

Haven't played the single player since I beat it. Log into it, mother base is in the red by an incredible amount. WTF?

Steve Contra · « **Reply #657 on:** October 15, 2015, 01:08:03 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 15, 2015, 12:42:00 PM

Got to Mission 16. Got frustrated. Other games came out.

Haven't played since.

That mission was total

until you look up how to do it easily

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #658 on:** October 15, 2015, 01:46:06 PM »

It's a pretty shitty mission(like pretty much everything with the skulls), but it's easy to cheese.

You can either just run up to the truck right as they spawn and Fulton the truck.

Or do like I did and just watch as they stumble into a pile of C4 you planted.

Bebpo · « **Reply #659 on:** October 15, 2015, 03:42:31 PM »

I didn't think there were any frustrating missions in the game besides the 1 hit tank shot kills in 45. I mean if you get spotted just shoot shit up and/or run away.

For 16 I C4'd the truck, skull guys came out and I just ran to the helicopter like I did every skulls mission outside one mission where you're forced to fight. Hell even in the first one in mission 6 with the Killer Bee I thought you were just supposed to run like hell and get out of there. I never fought any skulls until I was replaying missions later on.

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Author Topic: MGSV thread of there's a game coming out. (Read 121943 times)