Tokyo Game Show 2015

[The Legend of Sunblade]

Kicks off (technically) with SCEJA's press conference in like 7 minutes

[toku]

There really is a game called Kingdom Hearts HD II.8: Final Chapter Prologue

squenix is shameless

[toku]

"Here is a game that would have been cool in 2007" - Capcom

[Cerveza mas fina]

-Bloodborne Expansion coming in November
-Gravity Rush remake coming to PS4
-Gravity Rush 2 coming to PS4
-Dangaropa 3 PS4/Vita
-Yakuza remake PS3/4
-Yakuza 6 coming to PS4
-13 Sentinels PS4/Vita (mechs rpg?)
-NIOH coming to PS4 (Omnimush meets Souls?)
-Kingdom Hearts 2.8 coming to PS4
-Resident Evil Umbrella Corps coming to PS4

[VomKriege]

New mainline KoF. 

In 3D. 

Remember the 2D Alamo. 

[Cerveza mas fina]

FFXIV is Playstation VR compatible

[The Legend of Sunblade]

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/09/15/gravity-rush-remastered-coming-to-ps4-on-february-9th-2016/

BluePoint are doing the Gravity Rush PS4 port.

[archnemesis]

I never finished the Vita version of Gravity Rush since I had issues with the controls. I'll probably rebuy it if it's $40 or less.

[Take My Breh Away]

New mainline KoF. 

In 3D. 

Remember the 2D Alamo. 

It looks worse than Maximum Impact 2

[demi]

Gotta admit this conference went off on all cylinders. All that looks good to me.

[Bebpo]

My thoughts:

KoFIV - Looks like the kind of mediocre Maximum Impact 2.5d games.  Not particularly interested and looks pretty ugly.
KH2.8 - $60 for a 1 hour demo of KH3 as Aqua + a movie version of a cell phone game no one cares about + a HD version of a 3DS game no one cares about; yup $60 for a 1 hour demo.
Nioh - Looks a bit Janky, but it's ONIMUSHA and we haven't had a decent Onimusha type game in forever, so I'll take it
RGG1/Yakuza 1 remake - I don't replay games so I don't care, but RGG1 had the best storyline in the series but the gameplay does not hold up (40 second battle load times), so remaking it for a new audience with 0 loading and improved mechanics/graphics is cool.
RGG6/Yakuza 6 - Still haven't played 3-5, so don't care, but it has its fans.
Vanillaware 13 Sentinels - Looks like a Makoto Shinkai game (Voices of a Distant Star); might be the first Vanillaware game I actually finish even if the gameplay is repetitive.  Love me robots.
Star Ocean 5 - Characters are still poop, but environments and cities look fantastic, battle system looks ok, probably worth playing and skipping all the cutscenes
Tri-ace Big Head Mode game - Looks great and totally Valkyrie Profile except for the big-head characters which look awful.  What the hell is with Tri-ace and character designs/models these days??
Gravity Daze remake - Sure, no touch controls, better visuals; I'll take it since I still haven't played much of the Vita one.
Gravity Daze 2 - Neat.
Umbrella Corps - Lol, RE is so awful now; nail in the coffin.
Project Setsuna - Aka, SE's rpgmaker game trying to cash in on nostalgia.  Looks super shit and worse visually and mechanically than even the 4 Warriors of Light DS game.  Feel sorry for people who are gonna get scammed by this.
Saga game - Welp, still nothing haha; hope it's good?
Dangan Roppa 3 - Cool for fans
Bloodborne Expansion - Cool for fans; love me some Bloodborne.
Toukiden 2 - Don't really care, but I'm sure it has its fans. 
One Piece Fighter by Spike Chunsoft - Uh, I guess they need money?
Gundam VS on Vita - zzzz

Might've missed some other stuff, but I think that was most of the newer games.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Gravity Rush was mediocre at best, but I'm interested in a sequel none the less because there was promise of greatness there.

[VomKriege]

People shocked at Capcom milking their franchises. 
While praising the good sense of more remakes.

[thisismyusername]

-Gravity Rush remake coming to PS4
-Gravity Rush 2 coming to PS4

Even Japan knows Sony's handheld couldn't be this dead.

Umbrella Shooter: Not like this on the 20th, Capcom. Not like this.

FFXIV is Playstation VR compatible

Now I can be a Moe Catboy in real life. #thanksjapan

[bork]

KOF is looking pretty bad, but could improve a lot visually.  Will wait and see but am not expecting a SFV level budget behind it.  I like how people think it's gonna be like Maximum Impact even though it's being made by completely different people and won't play the same.  Street Fighter IV got the same dumb comparisons to EX when it was first announced, too.


Confused by Resident Evil.  People wanted more after the bomb that was Operation Raccoon City?  :

Gundam Vs. Gundam on Vita?  Fuck yeah.  Especially when it will be "consolized" thanks to the PSTV.

Toukiden 2?  I haven't spent much time with Kiwami yet!  Time to get rid of that and wait, I guess.

[VomKriege]

KOF is looking pretty bad, but could improve a lot visually.  Will wait and see but am not expecting a SFV level budget behind it.  I like how people think it's gonna be like Maximum Impact even though it's being made by completely different people and won't play the same.  Street Fighter IV got the same dumb comparidons to EX when it was first announced, too.

All true but maybe I'm a bigot or something because those "2.5D" games to me never capture the feeling of an actual 2D game, something is never right. Maybe it's all in my head, but I'm skeptical 3D models are able to be cheated and tweaked like a sprite or something, I find 2D games much snappier. Also SF4 is ugly as sin. I hated how the furies/specials (or whatever they're called there) were those long canned sequences with angle changes and all, really threw me out the game everytime. Has it changed ?

2D KoF dying was bound to happen anyway, so... Sad that they didn't get to make a KoF98 equivalent with those sprites though, even if the background and music quality were already below standard IIRC. There's a couple characters I would have liked to see in glorious HD, Blue Mary and Yamazaki.

Confused by Resident Evil.  People wanted more after the bomb that was Operation Raccoon City?

It sold 2m units or something in the first two or four months and probably some after that too, which I would say is pretty good for a shitty spinoff compared to other similar titles in the RE franchise.

[thisismyusername]

It sold 2m units or something in the first two or four months and probably some after that too, which I would say is pretty good for a shitty spinoff compared to other similar titles in the RE franchise.

MEANWHILE IN REALITY

(It bombed, hard. It sold well for two months because of the IP name. Once people understood Slant Six's pedigree (if they never played the perpetual "beta and not final, promise!" Socom from them) it bombed, hard.

Series fans didn't want anything to do with it from when it was announced. Shooter fans wanted nothing to do with it after seeing how bad Slant Six fucked up.

Nobody wanted a continuation.

ll true but maybe I'm a bigot or something because those "2.5D" games to me never capture the feeling of an actual 2D game, something is never right. Maybe it's all in my head, but I'm skeptical 3D models are able to be cheated and tweaked like a sprite or something, I find 2D games much snappier. Also SF4 is ugly as sin. I hated how the furies/specials (or whatever they're called there) were those long canned sequences with angle changes and all, really threw me out the game everytime. Has it changed ?

No, that will never change. And honestly, it's only for 2 seconds. You can't understand the camera angle is telling you flat out to block?

ut maybe I'm a bigot or something because those "2.5D" games to me never capture the feeling of an actual 2D game,

Played Guilty Gear recently?

[chronovore]

TGS is a crowded, hot, nerd-fest, and it gets worse on "Public Day."

Gosh, I miss it. 

[VomKriege]

I don't dispute that and I know well that shipped/sold numbers are what they are (although not sure Steam is the best indicator) but if they moved a reasonable number of units at retail price, it's not unlikely it was all profitable for Capcom.

Besides I'm not even sure Capcom would need that as a rationale. Resident Evil is like the biggest or only relevant cash cow they have now. Maybe an executive just asked to apply an Umbrella paint coat on a completely unrelated title (Not an expert but the whole stuff has more of a Dead Space / Lost Planet vide ?) because it cannot hurt sales wise.

No, that will never change. And honestly, it's only for 2 seconds. You can't understand the camera angle is telling you flat out to block?

Honestly I found them long winded and detrimental to the pace. But let me be clear there : I like fighting games but I'm no playa or anything. I don't like SF4 art and presentation but I'm not gonna make a religious war out of it.

[thisismyusername]

The series's reputation is pretty much in the gutter right now with a lot of "classic fans." Why do you think everyone with a lick of common sense went crazy that Capcom finally listened to fans and are redoing RE2? Nobody wanted a continuation of Operation Raccoon City. Nobody. They basically made a game with the IP that pleased nobody.

If they really wanted to get people hyped up, they would've continued the Outbreak series. That is what fans have been demanding for nearly like... 10 years now. But Capcom doesn't listen and continues to try to put shooter elements in a series with fans that want nothing to do with shoot-bang 24/7 in the series.

[Kara]

Don't argue King of Fighters with people who rep 2002.

[VomKriege]

Well, sure, but does Capcom needs those classic fans? Shit is selling is what I mean, though probably under whatever crazy expectations they had for RE6. The franchise was always gonna be milked and runned to the ground, especially with Capcom. They started right off after RE2.

I'm fairly skeptical that a sequel to an obscure spinoff would make more commercial sense than whatever they're doing now. Is it good long term ? I dunno but it worked with SF2.

Not to be an ass or anything, I know that feel.

[bork]

Don't argue King of Fighters with people who rep 2002.

Kara with shit KOF taste confirmed.

Not that the classics matter anymore, anyway- you play '98 UM and 2002 UM...and the rest are no longer needed.

[Mods Help]

Resident Evil is down with classic fans? Lol RE is in the gutter with every assortment of RE fan except those weirdos that liked 6

[Kara]

Don't argue King of Fighters with people who rep 2002.

Kara with shit KOF taste confirmed.

Not that the classics matter anymore, anyway- you play '98 UM and 2002 UM...and the rest are no longer needed.

You rep the King of Fighters equivalent of grocery store brand instant oatmeal with nothing added to it, speaking of taste.

[Mods Help]

KOFUM02 is one of the best KOF's wtf are you smoking

[The Legend of Sunblade]

I bought Operation Raccoon City at full price when it came out. I thought it had some good ideas buried under utterly mediocre gameplay, so I wouldn't be opposed to an in-house sequel to it that's done better.

Umbrella Corps isn't even attempting to be like ORC, so I don't think its even appealing to the 3 people who liked it. Literally a game made for nobody.

[Great Rumbler]

Vanillaware's latest game has high school kids and mechs:

[Mods Help]

So basically the perfect mix of the full extent Japanese culture. Excellent.

[VomKriege]

On RE correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a study that the fanbase was getting older (duh) and that it worried Capcom ?

Edit
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=741031

[Tasty]

No MH news? Then I don't care.

[Tasty]

Nobody wanted a continuation of Operation Raccoon City. Nobody. They basically made a game with the IP that pleased nobody.

I mean, ORC sold 2.1 million copies...

Edit- Beated

[Cheddahz]

Finally, I'm glad that I own a PS4

[Positive Touch]

fans want more outbreak what the first one was so terrible that the second one bombed and the third was cancelled. i know it had its fans but they were few.

also dammit i just bought kingdom hearts 3ds like a month ago.

[Bebpo]

I was really hoping KoF would look like Xrd.  I'm fine with 2.5d If they go for an 2d style.  But nope, all plastic, looks gross.

TGS is a crowded, hot, nerd-fest, and it gets worse on "Public Day."

Gosh, I miss it. 

Really?  The one or two times I went it was pretty empty compared to US conventions where you rub against the sweat of your fellow unwashed human being   Felt representative of the death of the game industry over there and this was like 2001 and 2004.

[bork]

Don't argue King of Fighters with people who rep 2002.

Kara with shit KOF taste confirmed.

Not that the classics matter anymore, anyway- you play '98 UM and 2002 UM...and the rest are no longer needed.

You rep the King of Fighters equivalent of grocery store brand instant oatmeal with nothing added to it, speaking of taste.

KOFUM02 is one of the best KOF's wtf are you smoking

Mods Help is entirely correct here.

[Mods Help]

Uh

I mean

KOF02UM totally sucks. Baka.



I'm not supposed to have right or ethical opinions. That's not what this alt is for!!!!

[bork]

Too late.

[Mods Help]

[bork]

[Rahxephon91]

2002 UM and XI are pretty good if you ask me. The best of the series pre-XIII. I don't think SNK has ever been able to do 3d well so based on what 8 secs of footage I'm not surprised it looks kind of bad. I guess it could improve, but XIII looks pretty damn amazing so it's hard to beat. Still, I would have liked some semblance of a style on display there. Zed quailty probably not, but some sort of cel shading. This just looks like random 3d ps2 fighter. They could do better then again there is samurai showdown sen....

I think Sony had a pretty decent showing. Plenty of things I'd play.

Double Gravity Rush is cool. I'd like the combat to be better in the 2nd but I'll enjoy simply flying around in a charming setting.

Project Setsuna looked a bit bland, but hey it's a jrpg so ill pay attention to it. Square is really strong right now honestly. I don't know, everything simpley caught my interest. Which is really the best thing to say.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

its possible that the new KOF will be 2.5 D. SNK hasn't tried that one in a long while.

and NIOH looks great so far, get hype.

[Rahxephon91]

Ni Oh looked fantastic. Koei Tecmo are really the unsung heroes of the Japanese console scene.

I hope these gambles work out for everyone.

[Mr. Gundam]

Gundam VS on Vita - zzzz

What a stupid decision. Sounds like it's single player focused, so hopefully that means Maxi Boost is still coming home soonish.

Gundam Vs. Gundam on Vita?  Fuck yeah.  Especially when it will be "consolized" thanks to the PSTV.

The framerate really chugged along in some parts of the trailer. And just watch it not being compatible with PSTV.

[Bebpo]

I hope they add more single player content focus to the PS4 Maxi Boost next year.

[Bebpo]

Project Setsuna looked a bit bland, but hey it's a jrpg so ill pay attention to it. Square is really strong right now honestly. I don't know, everything simpley caught my interest. Which is really the best thing to say.

Really?  I think SE has no idea what they're doing right now (well it's been like that for a while, but it's really showing now):

KH weirdest collection ever that no one wants
World of Final Fantasy - mobile crap now with Lightning!
Project Sestuna - somehow they made an rpg that looks worse and looks like it plays worse than a ton of rpg maker/indie rpgs made by a couple of people in a garage
Star Ocean 5 - Ok, nice they're publishing it, too bad they bailed on the series when we could've got that Mass Effect looking Star Ocean 5 instead of creepy fuck dolls in space (who are we kidding, the game will be 98% on a backwater fantasy world)
FFXV - development disaster
Nier 2 - nowhere in sight

KH3 could be the only thing fine on the Square side since Osaka team seems like the only well managed team.  But that's being optimistic with modern square.

The Enix side is a lot better:

DQ Builders - could be ok minecraft clone
DQ Heroes 2 - sure, keep milking
DQ XI - Hey, a real rpg

Their eidos side is fine though, maybe sorta:

Hitman - could be good, but buy and hope you get a game later pricing model is gross
Tomb Raider 2 - probably good
Deus Ex 2 - probably good

Personally, this is the least interested I've ever been in the Japanese side SquareEnix as a company.  The only thing I'm actually interested in is DQXI and I don't even know if that's gonna be a sure bet with the split versions (could see the 3ds version being good, and PS4 version being empty and budget-capped).

[Mods Help]

How is world of final fantasy mobile crap? Haven't paid attention.

[Positive Touch]

bebpo you are in a dark place

[Mr. Gundam]

I hope they add more single player content focus to the PS4 Maxi Boost next year.

I'd be cool with that too, just sounds like the Vita title is designed with single player being the focus.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

This the best position that SE have been in in years. The fuck are you going on about Bebpo? 

The double wammy of FFXIII FFXIV 1.0 being over-developed messes that cost them way too much money led them to have to skim by on XIII sequels, ports, and cheap mobile games while they devoted a huge amount of resources into making A Realm Reborn. The past few years have been nothing but FF, FF and more FF because they've literally been unable to devote resources to anything else to salvage the mess that the old guard and XIII/Versus/Type-0 started.

Now that that saga is over and XIV 2.0/3.0 are a resounding success, current SE has:

Changed the team behind XV so that they can actually finish the game.
A new Star Ocean Game.
A new SaGa title.
A Seiken Densetsu remake.
A Nier sequel.
New IPs with stuff like Setsuna
FF7 remake
New Final Fantasy spin-offs rather than sidequels and content flips.
One last KH remaster, as well as making a new KH3-prologue type thing with Birth by Sleep 0.2
KH3
New mainline Dragon Quest.
New DQ spin-offs in very different genres.
New mobile titles.

This is the most diverse SE has ever been in terms of their total lineup and amount of games, without even counting the Eidos side or them publishing super weird stuff like Life is Strange. This is the Square that was missing during the PS3 generation, where all they could do is bow and say "HD development is 2 hard pls understand" without actually putting anything out.

[Bebpo]

/shrug, as a jrpg fan they have nothing that appeals to me right now besides DQXI sometime in the future, KH3 sometime in the future, and Nier 2 sometime in the future, and maybe Saga which they still haven't even shown a screenshot of.  The rest, aka their current lineup that's actually being released in the next year looks incredibly unappealing either visually or gameplay-wise, and so many of their games seemed aimed at mobile style art design/character design/F2P gameplay design mixed with selling people bad games using nostalgia.

And don't even get me started on FFXV after the team change.  Tabata and his team can't tell a story or do a narrative-based game to save their life after The 3rd Birthday and Type-0, they also can't really do anything beyond shallow broken gameplay as evidenced by Type-0.  And they're already ripping out all the stuff that was supposed to make FFXV interesting: getting rid of Nomura's airships, getting rid of spiffy Italitan Mafia character design for generic fantasy man design, dumbing down the combat considerably to auto-combat.  I expect the game to be about as good as Type-0 now with a bigger budget.  So, not very good.  Whereas at one point it actually seemed like it could've been a great fresh FF.

[Rahxephon91]

Yeah I can't agree with any of that.

FF15 looks like a real game, not just a bunch of ideas. They've been very transparent about it's development, but unlike the Nomura years it actually looks like it's coming out. And It actually looks ambitious.

Final Fantasy VII Remake may yet be the next Versus, but it probably uses an actual decent engine and well I'm pretty confident it will come out.

Dragon Quest Builders might as well be a Square game as it's made internally. It also looks pretty imaginative.

Star Ocean 5 probably belongs on the Enix side and while everything outside of the combat is'nt the most appealing thing it still looks like a non trash console jrpg. Who's to say SE bailed on that Concept Video? This SO looks exactly inline with the rest of the series. That video was the outlier.

I really don't see how Project Setsuna looks as bad as you claim. If anything it simply looked like a high rez BD. Either way, I think it's too early to have that much venom for it.

World of FF-That looks like mobile crap? Ok...

Nier 2-It just got announced and it's by Platnium. They get shit done.

KH3DS-People weren't asking for that in HD? I doubt it. People did'nt want that cliffhanger from BBS Final Mix resolved? Eh I think they asked for these things.

I don't know, all these projects actually look like they are coming together. There's already more console games from them then pretty much the entire PS3 gen. They also all seem like actual projects. These aren't games hiding behind CG trailers in Secret Theaters either. I don't see how you can be down on Square.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

Final Fantasy XV under Nomura was never coming out. Ever. It's been more than a decade. It was as dead as Metal Gear Rising was under Kojima, but he at least had the savvy to realize when a flop was a flop and handed it over to another team that could actually make a game around it. It was on track to being another FF13, a game that had so many concept idea developed for it that they could easily make two more games out of it. Hate Tabata's changes all you want, but he's already put out a demo of a game that we can reasonably expect to play sometime in the future. If it was Nomura, all we'd still have is a single sketch of Notcis' head with a "please look forward to his turn" scribble on it.

[tiesto]

Hmm, I haven't sat through the whole conference yet but there's a lot of stuff I'd be down with... honestly a bit disappointed with Setsuna's graphics, especially after it's gorgeous concept art. The in-game graphics look like a generic PC kickstarter indie RPG that "is influenced by Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, and all the RPG classics". But hopefully it turns out cool.

Gravity Rush 2 is a nice surprise, I really liked the original, barring some of the more awkward camera angles and controls. Really imaginative setting that will finally get its due on a console.

The new Vanillaware game looks gorgeous, SO5's environments look really cool (and I love SO), Exist Archive is gonna kick ass, even World of FF looks kawaii desu.

KOFXIV looks pretty shitty, like an early 360 game Disappointing since I loved XIII and its art so much.

And also, Project Diva Arcade is coming home! Yessssss!

I'm more bullish on gaming than I have been in years, the only problem is gonna be finding the time to play all these games all while going through my backlog.

[studyguy]

Not nearly enough niche, large breasted school girl aged waifus this year for my tastes. How am I supposed to cater to my superior Nihon tastes if they have such a weak offering.

 

I really hope the Yakuza remake comes stateside, but I won't hold my breath.

[bork]

2002 UM and XI are pretty good if you ask me. The best of the series pre-XIII.

From a game play standpoint, they're better than XIII.  '98 UM is my favorite, easily.

I don't think SNK has ever been able to do 3d well so based on what 8 secs of footage I'm not surprised it looks kind of bad. I guess it could improve, but XIII looks pretty damn amazing so it's hard to beat. Still, I would have liked some semblance of a style on display there. Zed quailty probably not, but some sort of cel shading. This just looks like random 3d ps2 fighter. They could do better then again there is samurai showdown sen....

Their Maximum Impact games got better with each iteration.  The final one, Regulation A, actually got an arcade release and played quite well.  The thing here is, this new game looks like MI graphically...and that ain't gonna cut it in 2015, seven years later.  That footage may be super early, but that was a fucking embarrassment.   But it could get a lot better.  We also have no idea how it's going to play.  It was just a couple of seconds of footage.  Meanwhile on GAF, I'm seeing final judgements left and right. 

Sen was developed by K2, who did a bunch of Tenchu games.  Interesting fact...K2 was founded by former SNK staff who worked on SS1 and SS2.   

[studyguy]

Do wish they offered another Tenchu game.
Hell I'd take a Shinobido game for that matter.

I'd wish Sandlot would stop dicking around with giant bugs and offer giant robots like they used to back in the day as well. Fuck.

[Bebpo]

Ok, I was a little harsh there on Square.  Didn't have my coffee this morning.  I guess a lot of there stuff isn't bad it's just that the audience they are making games for now...isn't me.  Like World of FF looks visually like the kind of art style chibi recycled nostalgia stuff I'd expect on mobile and ignore in a heartbeat.  It just feels generic and even the main kids who look like Kingdom Heart rejects look like an attempt to dumb down Nomura looks for a Jr. High School audience.  Same with the Tri-ace big head mode game.  But then there's nothing wrong with aiming at kids/early teens.  That's always going to be the biggest market for the games you are selling.  But as I get older, stuff aimed at kids just doesn't appeal to me.  New FFXV may actually be coming out, but the more I see of it, the less it appeals to me.  I'm also not really a fan of the staff left at SE these days.  For me, good staff gets me more excited than concepts these days and the only staff at SE I like are Nomura, the Osaka KH team, Takeharu Ishimoto, Nojima (freelance), Taro Yoko, and Yuji Horii.  The rest of the guys have let me down enough that their involvement tends to be anti-selling points.   

SE needs to stop talking, stop showing and just release the games to speak for themselves.  If the game quality is good, they'll get me back on board.  Got pretty burned on everything post PS2/PSP days with SE, so it's hard for me to be excited. 

[studyguy]

I can't be arsed to shit on SE for every single supposed misstep against their fans nor can I stand the longwinded shit both SE and their fans post either. Once the game drops, I'll fuck with it if it's decent and not if it sucks. Done. The devs could be in a room nutting all over character designs for 6 years for all I care. Having the fans speculate and criticize every little scrap of info is tiring as fuck.

[Mods Help]

The funny thing about the people who talk shit about modern square is if you ask them if they've played 1001 deaths or something you'll always get a "nope" or something.

It's like, whatever then dude.