America sucks (or maybe just Texas does....I don't know)

[Stoney Mason]

I normally don't make threads like this but why aren't more people up in arms that shit like this is happening in this country. I mean you have politicians basically out there making hate speech and you have idiots like these who follow up on their words.

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/armed-protesters-set-up-outside-islamic-center-of-irving.html/

[Shadow Mod]

Worst part is it just gives ISIS fuel.

[thisismyusername]

Worst part is it just gives ISIS fuel.

Exactly.

Posted this to my Facebook feed given the amount of Islamphobia and terror-scare tactics some the red-state high-school people I know posting that crap all this week:

(Image removed from quote.)

Can't wait for the drama to unfold tomorrow afternoon when they go "BUT THEM DARK SKINS ARE STEALING MY LIFES!"

[Stoney Mason]

I mean I don't even care about ISIS and broader implications. You have people armed in front of a place of worship to try to threaten and intimidate people.

This is like from another era of civil rights style oppression. And yet the news tomorrow will be filled with the latest exploits of the kardashians or the the new wacky racist thing Trump said today. What is going on?

[Tasty]

*Texas sucks

[Kara]

Their individual albums might not be very good, but their 1975 greatest hits album is pretty ace from start to finish.

[Sausage]

These aren't true Texans.

[VomKriege]

Worst part is it just gives ISIS fuel.

Meh. ISIS are triggered by democracy or anything.

Still a disgrace. Might be technically legal but how is that not intimidation and a threat of violence ?

[Samson Manhug]

Worst part is it just gives ISIS fuel.

I'd agree with Stoney that the worst part is that masked, armed groups intimidating others based on religion an/or skin color is considered okay in 2015. Bombing ISIS gives them fuel, this just terrorizes Americans.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Dude if 20 muslims set up shop with rifles outside some some white peoples place SWAT would be up their ass in seconds

[Stoney Mason]

Dude if 20 muslims set up shop with rifles outside some some white peoples place SWAT would be up their ass in seconds

Reality doesn't intrude on his idiotic libertarian nutjob fantasy world. Which is why I didn't even pretend to make a reasonable thread. I won't even make a pretense on something so clearly insane but ONLY IN AMERICA style logic.

[I'm a Puppy!]

it's just a peacable assembly with some firearms. Totally constitutional.

[ToxicAdam]

We're a country of 300 million people. It's not that hard to gather a dozen kooks for anything really.  Don't let it get you down.

So many people operate on fear and are constantly fed things to be fearful about, so it's not surprising if some lose their minds.

[Phoenix Dark]

Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

They do mean people you disagree with will sometimes assemble and say things you don't like.  Then you can say what you want to about them.

/shrug

Though I'm guessing this isn't so much a whine about the 1st thread as it is a whine about the 2nd.

I'm no constitution expert but just as yelling "fire" in a crowded room isn't protected by the Bill Of Rights, I'm pretty sure intimidation isn't either.

[Samson Manhug]

"911, what is your emergency?"

"Uh, there are masked, armed people outside chanting hateful things outside my place of worship. I'm scared to leave."

"Yeah, we know. We're a country of 300 million people. It's not that hard to gather a dozen cooks for anything really. Don't let it get you down."

[Madrun Badrun]

I'd love to see Muslims return this favour.  Quickest way to get rid of open carry gun laws. 

[Phoenix Dark]

I'd love to see Muslims return this favour.  Quickest way to get rid of open carry gun laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

[Madrun Badrun]

I know its what made me do the comment. 

[Kara]

Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

They do mean people you disagree with will sometimes assemble and say things you don't like.  Then you can say what you want to about them.

/shrug

Though I'm guessing this isn't so much a whine about the 1st thread as it is a whine about the 2nd.

Do you believe menacing should be a crime? (I'm not asking in bad faith, if you don't think it should be then there's nothing to really discuss.)

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

They do mean people you disagree with will sometimes assemble and say things you don't like.  Then you can say what you want to about them.

/shrug

Though I'm guessing this isn't so much a whine about the 1st thread as it is a whine about the 2nd.

Do you believe menacing should be a crime? (I'm not asking in bad faith, if you don't think it should be then there's nothing to really discuss.)

Defining "menacing" would hang up our courts for 10 years alone.

[I'm a Puppy!]

What is this word "Menacing?" is it a skin tone?

[VomKriege]

Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

They do mean people you disagree with will sometimes assemble and say things you don't like.  Then you can say what you want to about them.

/shrug

Though I'm guessing this isn't so much a whine about the 1st thread as it is a whine about the 2nd.

Do you believe menacing should be a crime? (I'm not asking in bad faith, if you don't think it should be then there's nothing to really discuss.)

Defining "menacing" would hang up our courts for 10 years alone.

Would it really ? I would think justice often have to deal with decisions over matters involving a lot of perception and subjectivity.
Even out of the purely legal discussion, I think a lot of people would reasonably agree the show of force in this case is disproportionate.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

They do mean people you disagree with will sometimes assemble and say things you don't like.  Then you can say what you want to about them.

/shrug

Though I'm guessing this isn't so much a whine about the 1st thread as it is a whine about the 2nd.

Do you believe menacing should be a crime? (I'm not asking in bad faith, if you don't think it should be then there's nothing to really discuss.)

Defining "menacing" would hang up our courts for 10 years alone.

Would it really ? I would think justice often have to deal with decisions over matters involving a lot of perception and subjectivity.
Even out of the purely legal discussion, I think a lot of people would reasonably agree the show of force in this case is disproportionate.

American courts can tie up anything dude, never underestimate their level of fuckery.

[Kara]

Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

They do mean people you disagree with will sometimes assemble and say things you don't like.  Then you can say what you want to about them.

/shrug

Though I'm guessing this isn't so much a whine about the 1st thread as it is a whine about the 2nd.

Do you believe menacing should be a crime? (I'm not asking in bad faith, if you don't think it should be then there's nothing to really discuss.)

Defining "menacing" would hang up our courts for 10 years alone.

Its definition at the state level is inconsistent, and in practice it's a law that can be unevenly applied very easily, but the premise is what I was asking about.

[Human Snorenado]

I think the solution is for a New Black Panther open carry demonstration outside of the next Libertarian party conference in 2016.

[Madrun Badrun]

Are the New Black Panthers like the New Scooby Doo?

[brawndolicious]

If antifeminist MRA types protested with guns in front of a battered womens shelter or an abortion clinic I think the attitude towards open carry protests would change.

[Madrun Badrun]

This would make a great children car ride game, choose the worse group x to protest event y with open fire arms.

I'm going Muslim's protesting the opening of a 9/11 memorial with automatic rifles.   

[Shadow Mod]

If antifeminist MRA types protested with guns in front of a battered womens shelter or an abortion clinic I think the attitude towards open carry protests would change.

You are less cynical than I.

[Rufus]

If antifeminist MRA types protested with guns in front of a battered womens shelter or an abortion clinic I think the attitude towards open carry protests would change.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29087183/springs-mayor-has-no-plans-change-gun-law

[Madrun Badrun]

If open carrying a weapon is explicitly constitutionally protected how can so many states have laws against it?   

[Mandark]

lol

[Phoenix Dark]

dangerous levels of autism detected ITT, and Dufus isn't even in here.

[Great Rumbler]

Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

They do mean people you disagree with will sometimes assemble and say things you don't like.  Then you can say what you want to about them.

/shrug

Though I'm guessing this isn't so much a whine about the 1st thread as it is a whine about the 2nd.

Do you believe menacing should be a crime? (I'm not asking in bad faith, if you don't think it should be then there's nothing to really discuss.)

Owning and carrying a weapon are explicitly constitutionally protected and there's nothing wrong with just having one.

What you are not allowed to do is to aim it at someone or fire it at someone unless you are doing so in self-defense.

Whether you like it or not, these folks, like say, the Westboro Baptists or whichever other group one might find noxious, have explicit rights to assemble and use speech in protest, and we do not recognize and protect such rights for the sake of popular speech.  As far as the guns go, nothing says you can only use one constitutional right at a time.

That protest didn't look too much like a well-regulated militia to me.

[Madrun Badrun]

dangerous levels of autism detected ITT, and Dufus isn't even in here.

How many autistics do you need before it becomes dangerous? 

[Samson Manhug]

One time I was at the beach and a white, pale, skinny young man in dark clothes walked up about 50 meters away from me with a rifle slung over his shoulder. People saw him and literally started running away.

Turns out he was a sailor, it was a dummy rifle, and he was just practicing drill and ceremony or something equally as stupid, but the federal park police still told him to leave because walking around with a rifle scares people outside of a warzone.

2nd Ammendment

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American police logic: White families at the beach a little nervous about a fake rifle? Can't have that! Brown Muslims at their mosque being terrorized by whites with rifles and masks? That's constitutionally protected speech, bruh.

[close]

[seagrams hotsauce]

  quoting JayDubya
  JayDubya's opinions

[Shadow Mod]

But muh guns though.

Let me see just how many children have died from gun related violence...

One child or teen dies from a gun every 3 hours and 18 minutes. Gun violence saturates our children’s lives and remain the second leading cause of death for children and teens ages 1-19. More children and teens die from guns every three days than died in the Newtown massacre. The number of children under five killed by guns in 2012 was higher than the number of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty that same year

o

[Shadow Mod]

https://twitter.com/stellierkstp/status/669029413275594752

Police source: At least 4 protesters shot outside 4th precinct in #Minneapolis. Suspects believed to be white males with bulletproof vests.

welp...

[Tasty]

JayDubya defense incoming.

[Phoenix Dark]

https://twitter.com/stellierkstp/status/669029413275594752

Police source: At least 4 protesters shot outside 4th precinct in #Minneapolis. Suspects believed to be white males with bulletproof vests.

welp...

"I'm sure they had the proper, up to date hunting licenses" -JayDubya

[Positive Touch]

still not sure if I'm surprised at how fast this country slipped back into overt white supremacist terrorism.

I guess I could say that I'm not surprised that lots of people assure jumping at the chance, but I am still a little saddened that the media by and large continues to ignore or downplay it

[Mandark]

noticed something

when jd brought up free speech protections and shit, nobody to that point had suggested arresting these honkeys

hm

[Shadow Mod]

still not sure if I'm surprised at how fast this country slipped back into overt white supremacist terrorism.

I guess I could say that I'm not surprised that lots of people assure jumping at the chance, but I am still a little saddened that the media by and large continues to ignore or downplay it

The media is a monopolized piece of shit owned by old white guys. 

[brawndolicious]

noticed something

when jd brought up free speech protections and shit, nobody to that point had suggested arresting these honkeys

hm

I still don't get how protesting with a gun isn't a threat against those you're protesting. Even when I go to a range everyone is super careful about keeping their guns in cases/locked until they are ready to fire them and not to mention the constant ear and eye protection.

But walk around the street with a gun over your shoulder screaming about BLM and Muslims ruining America and no one is supposed to assume it's a violent gesture?

[Mandark]

I still don't get how protesting with a gun isn't a threat against those you're protesting. Even when I go to a range everyone is super careful about keeping their guns in cases/locked until they are ready to fire them and not to mention the constant ear and eye protection.

But walk around the street with a gun over your shoulder screaming about BLM and Muslims ruining America and no one is supposed to assume it's a violent gesture?

Are you familiar with the case law stemming from Lancaster County v. I'm Not Touching You, I'm Not Touching You?

[Shadow Mod]

Guns have a special arrangement too. What if you protested a place with scimitars?

Maybe I should convince weebs to stand outside any dev houses with katanas as an experiment.

[Mandark]

I mean, legally, it's whatever.  Threats of violence aren't protected speech, but by it's nature it's a subject with a big gray area, and I'm not well-read on it.  So I don't know where it falls with the letter of the law.

Putting all that aside though, these people are assholes.  Right?

[chronovore]

dangerous levels of autism detected ITT, and Dufus isn't even in here.

How many autistics do you need before it becomes dangerous?

Sandy Hook called...

Guns have a special arrangement too. What if you protested a place with scimitars?

Maybe I should convince weebs to stand outside any dev houses with katanas as an experiment.

I know I'm a martial-arts nerd for feeling this way, but I honestly don't understand how the USA can be so "GUNS GUNS FUCKIN' GUNS!" and then tell people, "No, swords are bad! You can't have those!" -- see also: baseball bats, unfolding saps/truncheons, and knives.

[Mods Help]

Coming to The Bore to see your world view being dignified.



Fuck America.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Is that true? The people I've known who collect blade weapons are typically harmless nerd-types. I've never really detected a societal anti-melee weapon sentiment in the US.

[Mandark]

Coming to The Bore to see your world view being dignified.

Nobody is validating your world view that WWE knows what it's doing and is on the precipice of a new golden age.   

[Madrun Badrun]

Its not?

[chronovore]

Is that true? The people I've known who collect blade weapons are typically harmless nerd-types. I've never really detected a societal anti-melee weapon sentiment in the US.

I mean in terms of having them outside your home. Not just carrying one in your person in the streets, but even transporting them in your car. Cops will tell you that they can get you on related charges for a baseball bat if you don't have a ball in the car with it.

But mainly I mean we should be able to carry swords if open-carry guns are considered okay.

[Shadow Mod]

Yeah my main point was if you had people running around with swords on their person (despite being way less lethal in terms of sheer numbers) in certain regions, people would be way more freaked out by that then a bunch of AR-15s and holstered guns.

[chronovore]

Yeah my main point was if you had people running around with swords on their person (despite being way less lethal in terms of sheer numbers) in certain regions, people would be way more freaked out by that then a bunch of AR-15s and holstered guns.

Yeah; actually if you had people with scimitars, I thought your point was that everyone would assume the New Caliphate is establishing its rule.

[Shadow Mod]

Pretty much yeah.

To someone like me who thinks any weapon generally on someone's/anyone's person means intent to use it (because I don't see that shit otherwise), it's all kind of upsetting and disturbing to me.

[Madrun Badrun]

I would be more comfortable with a bunch of sikhs running around with Kirpans than a bunch of white dudes with M16s.  But ya keep weapons at home.  This is the 21st century. 

[chronovore]

Yeah, to be clear, I would prefer that no-one carried weapons, but if batshit crazyfuckers are able to sling their rifles over a shoulder at Wal-Mart, I don't see why sticks or even sharpened sticks are considered off-limits.

But, yeah, if someone's carrying a weapon in a private business, I will not patronize that business.

[Madrun Badrun]

I like our like circle jerk...or does mentioning it make it weird?