Author Topic: Windows Phone is really dead - sales down 57% yoy (Read 7399 times)

Cerveza mas fina · « **on:** January 29, 2016, 06:12:48 AM »

Down to 4.5 million in 2015

RIP Windows Phone

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2016, 06:50:15 AM »

It looked the best, I agree.

Then I hooked up my Windows phone to my Windows laptop and Windows crashed. Never got it to work and threw out the phone.

archnemesis · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2016, 06:51:29 AM »

Great app support is the main reason I'm sticking with an overpriced iPhone. I wouldn't use a Windows Phone even if I got one for free.

The Legend of Sunblade · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2016, 06:58:39 AM »

I have a friend who loved his windows phone, but hated that none of the games he got a smartphone for in the first place were available on it, so he swapped out to android in less than a year.

Mupepe · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2016, 07:55:55 AM »

I don't really care about apps but the lack of flagship phones over 3 years killed me. Then when the 950 and 950 XL came out I was really excited until it became apparent how half baked they were. I want a true surface phone and I'll jump back in because I hate my Nexus 6.

Take My Breh Away · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2016, 08:21:11 AM »

Windows Phone is dead

Android Lolipop is

The Apple future

Mupepe · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2016, 08:22:15 AM »

Yeah I'm not really excited for anything in the smart phone future. Once my POS Nexus 6 dies, if Windows Phone is officially dead by then I'll just get an iphone and admit defeat.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2016, 08:46:44 AM »

Quote from: Dufus on January 29, 2016, 07:33:31 AM

I guess what I would want is an Android phone with a Windows Phone-like UI.

Could do, but it'd still run into Linux issues.

Apple basically got the "first strike" bonus on the app store to where they have a strangle-hold on the market. Kinda similar to Windows/MS and office applications.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:03:51 AM »

There are 2 windows phone stans in my office. No surprise they are father and son.

VomKriege · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2016, 10:27:57 AM »

Quote from: Dufus on January 29, 2016, 06:23:04 AM

Windows Phone always struck me as having the best aesthetics of smartphones. Apps seems to be a different story but I'm guessing if I ever got a smartphone I wouldn't give a shit about apps.

I actually think most people are like that. They only need a few apps, but Windows Phone's lack of apps scares them into thinking what if I ever need a particular app that's only available on iOS/Android. A competely reasonable concern. So they stay away from Windows Phone. Shame really.

If you ever get a smartphone, I think you'll get a better understanding of how apps can make a difference. Having immediate access to my local bus and trains timetables, for instance, is a huge time saver. Likewise for a direct one click access to your remote files (On Drive or Dropbox, etc...). Not a WP specialist, but as a former Blackberry user, I can attest that the inconvenience is real.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2016, 10:29:36 AM »

Windoze, amirite?

Trent Dole · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2016, 11:58:31 AM »

Wife has a windows phone and digs it. Mine was supposed to be that too when they were ordered but it turned out to be a droid. Hers is apparently more user friendly but mine has lots of dumb apps to piss away my life with.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:01:17 PM »

I used a Lumia for a few weeks and it was nice. Had the core apps I use everyday. But ultimately not having just a couple apps will make a difference you have to get used to so I went back.

What Windows needs to do is put intel chips on their phones and have an OS that can run Windows programs and Android apps. There are already atom processors in Android tablets that are apparently very capable. I think anyone with a Windows PC for work would appreciate having a Windows OS that can still run all the apps they'd want.

lennedsay · « **Reply #13 on:** January 30, 2016, 12:16:20 AM »

I loved my Windows Phone at first. I did my research, made sure all the apps I gave a shit about were available, and got one a year and a half ago or so. Since then, I can't tell you how many companies pulled support for their WP apps. Every few weeks, I'd have to delete another app. I was pretty pissed when Bank of America's app was gone after I'd become dependent on it since like 2008 under iPhone and WP, but when they started pulling their own Windows/MSN apps, I couldn't help but laugh. It went downhill quick in the last 6 months.

Even if they come out with a great phone, I won't go back because of such crap app support. The apps that stayed available never got updates. By the end, I had to use 2 Facebook apps plus the browser to see everything (this app to see notifications, that app to post pics, and the browser to read my newsfeed - no fucking joke). I had 2 Instagram apps for the same reason - their app to post pics, and a 3rd party to actually see the feed. Waze worked half the time.

The phone itself was amazing, but the screen would crack constantly. The last time, I was holding the phone and it lightly brushed against my own leg. WTF? I just kept turning it into insurance, and I guess everybody else did too, because they stopped replacing the Lumia 1520 entirely. That last time I got an HTC One 8. It was pretty solid and took some rough abuse, but it was so slow and would crash constantly. Total crap compared to the Lumia in that regard.

So far so good with this Nexus 6. Not in love with it, but I don't hate it either. I keep it pretty clean, because I liked the simplicity of the WP, and it works pretty well for me. It rebooted itself tonight for the first time. It's working better than my husband's one+one (granted it is a lot newer though).

Mupepe · « **Reply #14 on:** January 30, 2016, 12:32:27 AM »

My Nexus 6 breaks with every update. Since the last update my phone will randomly turn off. I had to stop using it as my alarm because it would turn off in the middle of the night and I'd oversleep.

The update before that broke my WiFi. Every time I would come home or go anywhere with WiFi I'd have to restart before it would connect.

I fucking hate smartphones.

lennedsay · « **Reply #15 on:** January 30, 2016, 12:49:26 AM »

yayyyyy something to look forward to....

I gotta say, the only smartphone I've ever had that held up was an iPhone 3GS. I've had iPhones from before that model and after, the Lumia 1520, the HTC One, and now the Nexus. That 3GS was by far the most reliable phone I've ever had, and I just threw it to the curb because I had it for 3 years and wanted something new. WHY?

brawndolicious · « **Reply #16 on:** January 30, 2016, 01:23:20 AM »

Quote from: Mupepe on January 30, 2016, 12:32:27 AM

My Nexus 6 breaks with every update. Since the last update my phone will randomly turn off. I had to stop using it as my alarm because it would turn off in the middle of the night and I'd oversleep.

The update before that broke my WiFi. Every time I would come home or go anywhere with WiFi I'd have to restart before it would connect.

I fucking hate smartphones.

awwww I have a Moto X Pure which is very similar hardware wise but I haven't had any issues (yet). I've heard of N5/N6 phones doing that turning off in the middle of the night thing after a software update 6 months ago (before Android 6) so I dunno, maybe Google just sucks?

VomKriege · « **Reply #17 on:** January 30, 2016, 09:23:00 AM »

I have a Sony Xperia M2 (the medium pleb range) and it's a pretty good phone. However, I did the Android update and I must have skipped a couple versions because I now get the impression it sucks battery like mad when it was very sober before (esp. not in active use, would use up 1 to 2% over the night).

The most infuriating thing with Android to me is tha absence of a built in file explorer / system management app. You have to rely on free apps that work fine but riddled with ads or messages to remind you of the paying version.

chronovore · « **Reply #18 on:** January 30, 2016, 11:44:38 AM »

Why not just pay for the app?

Mupepe · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2016, 11:52:39 AM »

Quote from: lennedsay on January 30, 2016, 12:49:26 AM

yayyyyy something to look forward to....

I gotta say, the only smartphone I've ever had that held up was an iPhone 3GS. I've had iPhones from before that model and after, the Lumia 1520, the HTC One, and now the Nexus. That 3GS was by far the most reliable phone I've ever had, and I just threw it to the curb because I had it for 3 years and wanted something new. WHY?

You flew too close to the sun...

Quote from: VomKriege on January 30, 2016, 09:23:00 AM

I have a Sony Xperia M2 (the medium pleb range) and it's a pretty good phone. However, I did the Android update and I must have skipped a couple versions because I now get the impression it sucks battery like mad when it was very sober before (esp. not in active use, would use up 1 to 2% over the night).

The most infuriating thing with Android to me is tha absence of a built in file explorer / system management app. You have to rely on free apps that work fine but riddled with ads or messages to remind you of the paying version.

That's another thing. Every update fucks my battery usage. Some updates will make it so that my phone is consistently dead by 10am with no use. Others will fix it.

So a new thing I noticed this morning, every time I click on a link in Chrome it opens a new tab but the tab doesn't load. I have to refresh to actually get the page.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2016, 03:34:51 PM »

Been thinking about finally upgrading from my Nexus 4, but the market's so weird right now that I don't even know what to look for. Definitely not shelling out for an iPhone though.

chronovore · « **Reply #21 on:** January 30, 2016, 05:05:56 PM »

I was such an Achievement Addict that I thought about getting one just for the extra games.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #22 on:** January 30, 2016, 06:38:42 PM »

still rocking a Lumia 640, that I got off-contract for $50

i spent another $30 on an SD card and now it's got 72GB storage.

Take My Breh Away · « **Reply #23 on:** January 30, 2016, 06:53:02 PM »

Quote from: VomKriege on January 30, 2016, 09:23:00 AM

I have a Sony Xperia M2 (the medium pleb range) and it's a pretty good phone. However, I did the Android update and I must have skipped a couple versions because I now get the impression it sucks battery like mad when it was very sober before (esp. not in active use, would use up 1 to 2% over the night).

The most infuriating thing with Android to me is tha absence of a built in file explorer / system management app. You have to rely on free apps that work fine but riddled with ads or messages to remind you of the paying version.

No, it's not you. I have a HTC M8 and it had some amazing battery life on HTC's original forked KitKat version and ran amazingly. Every version leap since has sucked shit in the battery department. I had to use Maps and it ate 10-15% of my battery for just 20 minutes of maps use never mind the insane amount of feature creep and weird shit google's packing in each update.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #24 on:** January 30, 2016, 06:58:09 PM »

Android has serious problems in regards to delayed updates, or battery life in updates like mentioned. There's also rampant malware and other such issues that Google isn't really "actively" combating. I mean they "attempt" it, but the genie is a bit out of the bottle there.

It's kinda why they're bleeding users to iPhone, slowly but surely.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2016, 11:44:04 AM »

Where's Andrex?

iPhone for life, bitches

Rufus · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2016, 12:12:20 PM »

He's on break until March or something.

chronovore · « **Reply #27 on:** January 31, 2016, 01:11:41 PM »

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on January 31, 2016, 11:44:04 AM

Where's Andrex?

iPhone for life, bitches

I really do like my iPhone despite its glaring feature deficiencies. The things it does, it does really well. I am really only pissed that there's no user-available local storage, nor flash-memory slot for expansion. Everything else, well, I read this thread and then hear Android is unreliable, and I'm happy with what I've got.

Bebpo · « **Reply #28 on:** January 31, 2016, 04:02:07 PM »

I loved my windows phone. Great UI, great camera on the Lumia.
But then:

1) No app support - kind of a huge dealbreaker
2) Mine was glitchy as hell after about a year and I had to do a factory reset and then after about 10 months it got really glitchy again. I feel like the Windows Phone OS may be more prone to bugs than iOS, but mine might've just been a one-off experience.

After my 2 year contract was up, got back on iphone for the two above reasons. It's a shame because that interface is awesome.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #29 on:** January 31, 2016, 07:42:58 PM »

Zero issues with my Moto x (2nd gen) in 8+ months.

Well, one issue: stupidly got the 16 gb model and am short on storage space constantly. Wish they could have put a fucking microSD slot on this fucker.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #30 on:** January 31, 2016, 07:53:20 PM »

Anyone have any experience with Chinese phones? Huawei and OnePlus have some nice phones at appealing price points.

chronovore · « **Reply #31 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:09:08 PM »

Quote from: BobFromPikeCreek on January 31, 2016, 07:53:20 PM

Anyone have any experience with Chinese phones? Huawei and OnePlus have some nice phones at appealing price points.

It's probably 15 years of Japanese attitudes influencing my decision, but I wouldn't put a Chinese product in my day-to-day critical path needs. I know my iPhone is made in China, but it's got levels of quality control and support around it which the average Chinese product does not.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:29:19 PM »

Quote from: chronovore on January 31, 2016, 08:09:08 PM

Quote from: BobFromPikeCreek on January 31, 2016, 07:53:20 PM
Anyone have any experience with Chinese phones? Huawei and OnePlus have some nice phones at appealing price points.

I wouldn't put a Chinese product in my day-to-day critical path needs

Totally. That's the root of my apprehension, but the reviews are surprisingly positive for some of them. The OnePlus 2 in particular sounds almost too good to be true.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:31:34 PM »

I had a similar experience to Bebpo, loved my Lumia 920. The camera was some god tier stuff but I got sick if waiting for the apps to come. If there was any sort of app parity I'd go back in a heartbeat.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #34 on:** January 31, 2016, 09:45:11 PM »

Quote from: BobFromPikeCreek on January 31, 2016, 08:29:19 PM

Quote from: chronovore on January 31, 2016, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: BobFromPikeCreek on January 31, 2016, 07:53:20 PM
Anyone have any experience with Chinese phones? Huawei and OnePlus have some nice phones at appealing price points.

I wouldn't put a Chinese product in my day-to-day critical path needs

Totally. That's the root of my apprehension, but the reviews are surprisingly positive for some of them. The OnePlus 2 in particular sounds almost too good to be true.

My brother and I buy our parents' phones for them and we got them Chinese phones (Oneplus One + Redmi Note2). They are ridiculously cheap for the specs they have and build quality seems good.

If you're looking at a Oneplus 2, you could also consider a Nexus 5x or a Moto X Style (2015) as they're in the same price range. The Moto X has a microsd slot but in general, Chinese phones have more hardware options and better specs for a lower price. Only big issues you might have are the software skin fitting your taste and the warranty/RMA process being more annoying than usual (or nonexistent).

lennedsay · « **Reply #35 on:** February 01, 2016, 09:50:43 PM »

My husband has had some great luck with the Oneplus 1. His is almost 2 years old now, and just now starting to decline.

lennedsay · « **Reply #36 on:** February 01, 2016, 09:56:44 PM »

I just looked, and I have a Nexus 5x.

I seriously thought it was the Nexus 6. I knew things go downhill when you get old, but I didn't realize my memory was going to start going as soon as I hit 30.

nachobro · « **Reply #37 on:** February 02, 2016, 01:35:47 AM »

I liked my windows phone a lot when I was on AT&T but they only have one WP on Virgin and it stinks, though it might be better than my current Android phone at this point. I also don't give a shit about apps so that helped. Just need a podcast app, tapatalk, bank app, and twitter.

Phone shit makes me feel distinguished mentally-challenged though. I can't ever tell which phone is better so I just end up sticking with my ancient one cause it works.

VomKriege · « **Reply #38 on:** February 02, 2016, 01:55:45 AM »

Quote from: lennedsay on February 01, 2016, 09:56:44 PM

I just looked, and I have a Nexus 5x.

I seriously thought it was the Nexus 6. I knew things go downhill when you get old, but I didn't realize my memory was going to start going as soon as I hit 30.

Yeah, I know that feel. My brain won't register for more than two weeks what films I look at (unless it's really good). Take that as automated BS filtering.

Otherwise, I would be interested in trying a WP if I get the chance, there's only a couple of really important apps I really need. Probably not gonna happen soon though... Also I don't know how convenient (or not) it is to migrate from Google services ? The contacts syncing with the internet directory is one of the most useful thing to happen to my mobile in the last years. I guess it's pretty standard now, but still...

Mupepe · « **Reply #39 on:** February 02, 2016, 08:02:05 AM »

It's actually pretty easy to migrate your Google shit. My windows ID is my gmail account so everything is synced to one

zomgee · « **Reply #40 on:** February 02, 2016, 10:09:12 AM »

Quote from: Dufus on February 02, 2016, 08:46:41 AM

What Microsoft needs to do is make a Windows Phone that lets you emulate all the iOS and Android apps.

Goddamn if they don't keep saying they're doing something like that but nope

Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich · « **Reply #41 on:** February 02, 2016, 12:50:33 PM »

I know it *will* fail spectacularly, but god damn I would ditch my iPhone for a 5.7" full Windows phone that can run my x86 apps. Something closer to this: https://www.behance.net/gallery/24129169/Surface-Phone-Windows-10-concept

Take My Breh Away · « **Reply #42 on:** February 02, 2016, 12:56:47 PM »

SurfacePhone.com did get registered by MS recently. So where there's smoke.

Though the last I heard on "Emulating apps" is they are ditching Droid app support and it will only be "easy porting/emulating iOS apps" when they release it at Build. Considering android's app market is currently as pleasant as a venereal disease. That's not a really bad thing.

VomKriege · « **Reply #43 on:** February 05, 2016, 07:16:21 PM »

I snooped around a bit and yeah the "app gap" is real as fuck. There's only two apps I would consider to be absolutely essential (as mentioned, those giving me time tables for public transports and suburbs trains) and well, guess what, one is missing from Windows Phone.

I know L'Empire Français is behind us, but our National Railway ain't exactly an obscure company. That they can't be bothered to port that stuff to WP speaks pretty loud about the lack of userbase or incentives...

Anyway, browsing the Android app store for all that introduced me to Microsoft One Note and Office Lens. The latter one especially is something I could have had a use for multiple times this year.

Take My Breh Away · « **Reply #44 on:** February 26, 2016, 04:01:25 PM »

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on February 02, 2016, 12:56:47 PM

SurfacePhone.com did get registered by MS recently. So where there's smoke.

Though the last I heard on "Emulating apps" is they are ditching Droid app support and it will only be "easy porting/emulating iOS apps" when they release it at Build. Considering android's app market is currently as pleasant as a venereal disease. That's not a really bad thing.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/25/11117430/microsoft-android-apps-windows-10-port-dead

VomKriege · « **Reply #45 on:** February 28, 2016, 07:32:21 PM »

Taking the plunge on the new Lumia 650. Will get to experience how good (or bad) the sync is between this and the PC. The 950 had some sexy features but I am not certain they were really worth the crazy mark-up to use them (the 20M photos will be missed...), couldn't afford it now anyway. They are pushing it hard, the price with my carrier was decent (basically 72e total instead of 229 for a slighty increased price package).

thisismyusername · « **Reply #46 on:** February 28, 2016, 08:04:26 PM »

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on February 26, 2016, 04:01:25 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on February 02, 2016, 12:56:47 PM
SurfacePhone.com did get registered by MS recently. So where there's smoke.

Though the last I heard on "Emulating apps" is they are ditching Droid app support and it will only be "easy porting/emulating iOS apps" when they release it at Build. Considering android's app market is currently as pleasant as a venereal disease. That's not a really bad thing.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/25/11117430/microsoft-android-apps-windows-10-port-dead

Well, you can just run Android on your PC/Surface anyway through Virtualbox.

(Too bad half the apps I tried, read: Grindr/etc. Don't necessarily work unless you allow them to have access your webcam and the like to make them think they're on a phone)

VomKriege · « **Reply #47 on:** March 01, 2016, 03:42:18 AM »

Man forgot how painful it was to set up Outlook and the like. Nice however to be able to link multiple outside adresses under your Outlook.com account. Calendar is more complete here than on Google.

Otherwise the app gap is super real, I can now say first hand. HSBC app is shittier than it is already, no Youtube official app, finding a podcast manager is surprisingly difficult, Tapatalk buggier, etc... I'll make do because apps are not essential to me, but the shop is terrible.

EDIT : No official Google Drive client too.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #48 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:32:37 AM »

Why did you buy this man, didn't you read the OP?

Shit is DEAD.

VomKriege · « **Reply #49 on:** March 01, 2016, 07:45:35 AM »

Quote from: Premium Lager on March 01, 2016, 06:32:37 AM

Why did you buy this man, didn't you read the OP?

Shit is DEAD.

Microsoft is the dead that keep living

Am curious to test another OS on mobile and better integration of the Office stuff is pretty much what I am looking for.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #50 on:** March 01, 2016, 08:13:06 AM »

Not sure about better integration of anything, I plugged a Nokia to my laptop and it got a blue screen of death, never got it working.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #51 on:** May 25, 2016, 11:36:15 AM »

Microsoft finally pulled the plug today. Laid off about 1800 ppl in the process. Mostly in Finland.

archnemesis · « **Reply #52 on:** May 25, 2016, 11:40:30 AM »

That's bad. The tech job market in Finland was already in poor shape.

Tasty · « **Reply #53 on:** May 25, 2016, 12:04:26 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 25, 2016, 11:36:15 AM

Microsoft finally pulled the plug today. Laid off about 1800 ppl in the process. Mostly in Finland.

Holy shit, wow

That Nokia sale sure worked out

VomKriege · « **Reply #54 on:** July 09, 2016, 12:03:34 PM »

So I bought a Windows Phone because I love antiquities I guess ?

A Lumia 950 to be precise.

I haven't delved into the Continuum option yet or some of the most advanced stuff, but here's a few rough thoughts :

- Camera certainly wayyy better than the Xperia M2.
- Integration with Office and One Drive is much better than on Android, obviously. The whole syncing with a W10 computer is seamless, so that's good. Outlook being capable of retrieving mails from other mail providers is good too (don't know if Google or Apple offers the same now ?).
- I like W10M, It's pleasant to use and it performs well as a no-nonsense device. But I'm not a heavy video on mobile or exotic app user. Edge is OK I guess, but the browser is probably the default app I will try to ditch first in the future.
- Battery life is pretty meh, I'm a bit let down by that. I was expecting a closed system to be able to keep a low energy signature. Also the phone noticeably will heat when multitasking, major comfort issue. USB-C charges super fast, but that's a bit of a band-aid for a more serious issue.

Tasty · « **Reply #55 on:** July 09, 2016, 12:34:22 PM »

Yes, with Android 5.0 you could use any email provider in Gmail.

Although before that there was a generic Email app you could use.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #56 on:** July 09, 2016, 01:08:53 PM »

you bought it like for realsies to use?

VomKriege · « **Reply #57 on:** July 09, 2016, 07:35:17 PM »

Quote from: Premium Lager on July 09, 2016, 01:08:53 PM

you bought it like for realsies to use?

Well, I'm still not living on a diet of smaretphones so I guess so ?
Wife needed a phone, as her trusted 10 year old Nokia was dying for good. I gave her my Sony, pretty amazing how long the battery will last when you configure it as a simple, not "smart", mobile phone. 20% in two full days or somesuch.

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 09, 2016, 12:34:22 PM

Yes, with Android 5.0 you could use any email provider in Gmail.

Although before that there was a generic Email app you could use.

To clarify, my Outlook mail adress has the ability to retrieve mail from all my other adresses, so all my mails appear under a single inbox. My former Android phone could of course manage several adresses, Gmail or otherwise, but under different inboxes.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #58 on:** July 10, 2016, 11:23:02 AM »

Yeah that's a pretty basic feature. iPhone you just tap on "all inboxes"

VomKriege · « **Reply #59 on:** July 10, 2016, 12:10:43 PM »

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on July 10, 2016, 11:23:02 AM

Yeah that's a pretty basic feature. iPhone you just tap on "all inboxes"

Nah not the same, though it achieves the same stuff. As I recall I had issues with the all inbox displayed feature, though I don't remember the exact grievance. Guess i'm not describing properly ? Not to harp on this, it's neat but not game changing by any mean.

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Author Topic: Windows Phone is really dead - sales down 57% yoy (Read 7399 times)