Nintendo ds was a top 5 system

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Mario Kart DS

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Mario Kart DS

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Is Tetris 3DS still the best Tetris out there? It was pretty impressive that it managed to dethrone the OG Game Boy Tetris.

3DS or DS?  DS is the Nintendo-themed one...thought it was awesome.  Never tried any of the 3DS Tetris games.  There's more than one but I think only one may have come out in English.  I got Puyo Puyo Tetris on my J3DS which kicks all kinds of ass though.

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Layton is one of my favorite game series ever. So yeah, that's a pretty big thing. Picross 3D is one of the best puzzle games I've ever played. Also, Visual Novels never caught on in the West until the DS mainstreamed them ever so slightly. There's lots of great things about the DS and its library.

Something the DS did, that even the 3DS didn't, was to build a welcoming environment for any sort of wacky as shit game to come out and have some sort of chance at success. Cooking Mama, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, those are kinda major franchises based on not terribly videogamey professions. But they caught on and the gaming landscape and the world in general was a little better off for its eccentric successes of the platform.

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Is Tetris 3DS still the best Tetris out there? It was pretty impressive that it managed to dethrone the OG Game Boy Tetris.

3DS or DS?  DS is the Nintendo-themed one...thought it was awesome.  Never tried any of the 3DS Tetris games.  There's more than one but I think only one may have come out in English.  I got Puyo Puyo Tetris on my J3DS which kicks all kinds of ass though.

Yeah DS is the one I meant.

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I guess every other system ever is missing this amazing utility of a low rez 2nd screen :rolleyes

PS1 has better FFs, MGS, Ridge Racer, Wipeout, Tomb Raider, Tekken, square's golden age games like PE and Xenogears

Where you even born when it came out?

I question how much you played in the PS2 generation. Hell, if you dabbled with all three consoles and pc games that gen, its pretty hard to top the PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, PC games of that era.

Classic Tomb Raider has aged like milk. You'd have to be some insane nostalgia fueled person to play Tekken 3 over Tekken 5 (and its remastered version on PS3), Tekken Tag 2, or Tekken 7 when it comes out. Ridge Racer was always a passable at best series, it was sort of a looker in the PS1 days, I'll give it that. Wipeout had one release on the PS2, but arcade racers survived in general.

MGS1 and Final Fantasy 7 will always be timeless for me, don't know how other people feel about those two games though.

I don't see how you doubt how much I played cause I prefer PS1 over PS2. I had all three consoles that gen and a PC btw.

I'm not saying I'd play Tekken or Tomb Raider right now over more recent offerings, but that they made a bigger impact on me and "the scene" on the PS1 then on the PS2. I'm talking about seeing Tekken 1 in 94/95 on a home console, that same shit you played in the arcade. That was a WOW moment for gaming.  Jump to 3D. Playing Virtua Cop at home

The gen after that was more about the jump to online gaming for me, from the late 90's and onwards. That was the big WOW thing. Diablo, Warcraft, Counter Strike or whatever you were into.  Also western games making it big on consoles (Xbox) with games like Burnout, Splinter Cell, Kotor, Halo etc.

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Some faulty reasoning there. Devil may cry 1 was amazing in 2001 and literally made its own genre. Gta3 blew the doors open. tekken tag was incredible. Playing a game you could play in arcades at home was impressive but wasn't anything you couldn't do before. I'm not sure how Tekken on ps1 was impressive given that people had been playing SF2 on consoles since the early 90's. I got Tekken with my psx and I didn't think anything of it. In that area, Saturn was more impriessove that ps1. Ps1 versions of fighting games often had cut frames and entirely cut out features like taking tagging out of a TAG game. Saturn fighters were arcade perfect. Ps2 generation brought a different experience: having exceed that of the arcade. Compare Tekken tag ps2 to arcade. Ps2 version looks a generation ahead. Ps2 generation was impressive because it marked the point where home Systems were now AS if not MORE powerful than the arcade. Which was never really the case before besides exceptions like the Saturn.

This just confirms to us you didn't play ps2 much if at all.

Western games had always had big hits before Xbox. Goldeneye? Donkey kong country? Syphon filter? Cruisin USA?

I think your experience with PC and online gaming is blinding you from ps2's actual merit and legacy. I was speaking objectively before and I'm speaking objectively now. Playing CS was cool but not overly different from playing doom on LAN. It's just now we can play online instead for added convenience. But playing GTAIII on a ps2 for the first time? Compared to that? And you're trying to convince us that ps1 is a better system because you were impressed by TEKKEN?

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It was the jump to 3D which was the big thing. CD quality sound. FMV. Everything came together that gen. Huge leap.

Jump from playing MK2 (1993) on Mega Drive to playing Tekken (1994/5) on PSX or Virtua Fighter on Saturn within 1 year is HUGE. If that left you cold then I dunno man.

Much bigger then the jump to Tekken Tag Tournament (2000) 6 years later.

GTA3 is like the exceptional title that gen, kind of hard to judge everything by that. PS1 for me was a much bigger move forward then PS2.

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The leap from the 16-bit consoles to the 32/64-bit consoles was absolutely massive, no doubt about it.  I know exactly what you're talking about, Lager.  As awesome as the PS2 was, it took a little while for things to get going, whereas the PS1 and Saturn were pretty much jaw-droppingly amazing right out of the gate.  Before these consoles, sure, we got plenty of arcade ports, but they were almost never perfect or in a lot of cases anywhere near the quality of the arcade versions.  That changed with the PS1 and Saturn.  The change from the focus being on sprite-based 2D games to polygon-based 3D games was also huge.  Nothing like that has happened since and I can't see anything even remotely similar happening until we get a new console that is some crazy-awesome new VR unit or the like.

Tekken was impressive back then in that it was so close to the arcade version.  But the most-impressive fighting game back then was Battle Arena Toshinden.  I saw that game on display several times before the PS1's launch and it would have crowds forming.  The game play pretty much sucked when you look at it, but visually it was fucking insane for the time.  (Personally, once the wow factor wore off...I was back on SSF2 on my SNES  )

Saturn versions of Capcom fighting games weren't "arcade perfect" until the 4MB RAM cart came along with X-Men Vs. Street Fighter in what...1998?  The Saturn ports before that also had missing frames and muffled sound/voice quality, but in general had more animation intact compared to the PS1 versions of titles.  Sometimes a little extra content, too, since PS1 versions of games would release first.  SNK had the first really impressive port earlier on with KOF '95, which used a ROM cart to give the game an extra boost in quality.  Then they switched to the generic 1MB RAM cart and the ports weren't as good.  Usually sound quality took the hit and load times were longer. 

These games were again generally better on Saturn, but the PS1 versions had better audio and more color (noticeably much better in KOF '95's case), which some preferred.  Despite the cut animation, I'd also rather play Samurai Shodown IV on PS1 over the Saturn port.  It played smoother/faster and had an extra fighter or two (Cham Cham was one) added for vs. mode.  Real Bout Fatal Fury was an excellent port on PS1 and I only remember the cut frames being some win poses.  Then Real Bout Special Dominated Mind came out as a PS1 only game and just kicked all kinds of ass.  Even Capcom got better with their PS1 ports.  Alpha 3 was amazing.  Sure frames were cut -as always- but the game was packed with new content and characters.

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I don't really care about the details and I'm obviously painting in broad strokes.

To say that ps2 was not a great system because TEKKEN impressed you on the ps1 is completely illogical.

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It was the jump to 3D which was the big thing. CD quality sound. FMV. Everything came together that gen. Huge leap.

Jump from playing MK2 (1993) on Mega Drive to playing Tekken (1994/5) on PSX or Virtua Fighter on Saturn within 1 year is HUGE. If that left you cold then I dunno man.

Much bigger then the jump to Tekken Tag Tournament (2000) 6 years later.

GTA3 is like the exceptional title that gen, kind of hard to judge everything by that. PS1 for me was a much bigger move forward then PS2.

So you're telling me that you care more about the superficial than actual games?

Going from ps1 to ps2 was equally as impressive in different ways. Games started to REALLY get a handle on 3d. We got games like DMC in ps2's sophomore year that are still played and copied to this day. The refinement to 3d games cannot be overstated.

Silent Hill 2 was bananas.

SSX Tricky melted faces.

Tekken Tag and Virtua Fighter 4 presented a graphic fidelity no one knew possible.

Final Fantasy X was fully voice acted.

GTA3 changed how we play games.

Devil May Cry did the same.

Halo's graphics were nuts.

Luigi's Mansion.

Do you really think something like Dark Cloud, as good as it looked and how big it was at the time, was possible on ps1?

GTA3 was the exception? Play Tony Hawk 3 on ps1 and then play it on ps2. Then get back to me.

You are fucking crazy if you are going to try to convince me that, although playing 3d titles for the first time was impressive as fuck, that playing games with the graphics of ps2's caliber at the time wasn't equally as impressive or that the refinement to 3d gaming wasn't a huge deal. Or that the single use of the second analog stick wasn't a huge step forward to making more 3d titles playable. You're acting like there were insane diminishing returns the second ps2 dropped. It wasn't the case. I remind you, PS1 games besides Ape Escape did not USE the second analog stick.

Going from this



to this



to this



Were all equally impressive. Anyone who denies this is batshit insane.

Going from 16 bit to 32/64 bit was HUGE. Don't tell me going from ps1 to 2 was not equally as big. Because it shows you exist in your own reality that isn't mine.



to



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in the span of 4 years. FOUR YEARS.

Everyone on this forum now has zero reason to take your opinions on gaming seriously ever again, dude.

This is without mentioning refinements that made 3d action games more playable. It's not even close. The ps2 generation defined 3d gaming and what its capabilities were. Fact.

edit: I am convinced I'm being trolled but the video game historian in me cannot let this stand.

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Silent Hill 1 wasn't a good looking game by the standards of the day, and Silent Hill 2 didn't look like that running on an actual PS2.

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Silent Hill 1 wasn't a good looking game by the standards of the day, and Silent Hill 2 didn't look like that running on an actual PS2.

From gamespot.









And Silent Hill 1 did look great for its standards of the day unless you had a dreamcast (which no one did ).

Obviously that shot was emulated, but Silent Hill 2 does, for the most part, look like that.

Also, whether SH1 had good graphics for the time is besides the point. The point is to show a great leap, which SH1 to 2 was.

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silent Hill 1 looked great except for the fuggo character models

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also round of applause for that whole post, esp the party about the second analog stick. that's why I'm always so down on the ps1 gen: there was tons of amazing stuff that came out but damn near all of it was rough rough rough. by the time ps2 came out, devs had got a real handle on 3d (not just graphics but gameplay too) and that's when everything felt like it clicked. that's why I'll take the ps2 gen over ps1.

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Using second stick for camera controls completely changed how we approach 3d gaming. Or using the second analog stick to aim shooting controls? That gen brought a level of refinement after the mass experimentation of the previous generation. You can prefer mass experimentation to see what works over refinement that made entire games like Ninja Gaiden actually exist, but to say they're not equally important is insane. There is no 3d game on ps1 equal to Ninja Gaiden. There just ISN'T. Or Resident Evil 4.

That generation defined how we play 3d games to this day.

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To say that ps2 was not a great system because TEKKEN impressed you on the ps1 is completely illogical.

Where did he say that?  I see him saying that he preferred the PS1 to the PS2 and was more-impressed by the leap from SNES/Genesis to PS1 compared to PS1 to PS2.  I agree with him on that.

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To say that ps2 was not a great system because TEKKEN impressed you on the ps1 is completely illogical.

Where did he say that?  I see him saying that he preferred the PS1 to the PS2 and was more-impressed by the leap from SNES/Genesis to PS1 compared to PS1 to PS2.  I agree with him on that.

You obviously haven't seen him argue in the past why ps2 was a bad system.

Plus:

Ps2 didnt even have proper online, whole system was behind the game imho thats why I didnt bother

Nothing on it looked good or exciting cause I played it all on PS1 already and didnt want to waste time with more of the same

I was playing Diablo 2 and Counter Strike sorry

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You are fucking crazy if you are going to try to convince me that, although playing 3d titles for the first time was impressive as fuck, that playing games with the graphics of ps2's caliber at the time wasn't equally as impressive or that the refinement to 3d gaming wasn't a huge deal.

...It wasn't a huge deal.  The games certainly looked better, but you're forgetting about something-- the Dreamcast, which was already out and had impressive titles like Dead Or Alive 2 and Soul Calibur available by the time the PS2 was released outside of Japan.  And yeah, the games looked awesome...but it's still not the same impact that those first 32-bit consoles had.

Or that the single use of the second analog stick wasn't a huge step forward to making more 3d titles playable. You're acting like there were insane diminishing returns the second ps2 dropped. It wasn't the case. I remind you, PS1 games besides Ape Escape did not USE the second analog stick.

You just said it yourself-- the dual analog controller and dual shock came out for the PS1, and Ape Escape was certainly not the only game that used the second analog stuck...what are you talking about?  Ape Escape is the one game that required it.

edit: I am convinced I'm being trolled but the video game historian in me cannot let this stand.

Doesn't seem like he is.  I can certainly say that I'm not doing that.

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Ps2 didnt even have proper online, whole system was behind the game imho thats why I didnt bother

Nothing on it looked good or exciting cause I played it all on PS1 already and didnt want to waste time with more of the same

I was playing Diablo 2 and Counter Strike sorry

OK, yeah, that's pretty dumb, but he still has a point about the leap from 16 to 32 and 32 to what followed. 

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Games on ps1 had second stick but ps1 games did not use the second stick how we use it now. It was pretty experimental. Most ps1 games didn't even use the stick. Ape escape was the first that truly used it in a meaningful way. Second stick use was so uncommon Dreamcast didn't even come with a second stick. In those days cameras were dictated by bumpers, mostly L1 and R1 or in DC's case, both triggers. That said the first game to use the analog stick for camera controls was a ps1 game: Alien Resurrection which came out in 2000. Halo and Timesplitters popularized it. The second stick was barely used in most ps1 games. And "requiring" second stick is a pretty big deal considering that's the entire point of the second sticks modern use: it's a required feature.

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You are fucking crazy if you are going to try to convince me that, although playing 3d titles for the first time was impressive as fuck, that playing games with the graphics of ps2's caliber at the time wasn't equally as impressive or that the refinement to 3d gaming wasn't a huge deal.

...It wasn't a huge deal.  The games certainly looked better, but you're forgetting about something-- the Dreamcast, which was already out and had impressive titles like Dead Or Alive 2 and Soul Calibur available by the time the PS2 was released outside of Japan.  And yeah, the games looked awesome...but it's still not the same impact that those first 32-bit consoles had.

Those games looked great, but it was still impressive to most people because most of us didn't have dreamcasts. "It wasn't a big deal?" False.

Going from Virtua fighter 3 to 4 was a whole different level.

Your opinion is colored by the fact you had a dc. Most people didn't. Imagine going from Tekken 3 to Tekken Tag on ps2. If you want, we can ignore fighting games. Imagine going from Final Fantasy IX to Final Fantasy X in the time span of one year. Or MGS1 to MGS2. Besides Shenmue, games on DC didn't look like that. To say the jump wasn't a big deal is pretty out there.

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also ps2 was demolishing dc graphics before dc barely started. remember the mgs2 trailer?  THAT shit was true next gen

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The revisionist history that ps2 wasn't mind blowing is.. blowing my mind

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also ps2 was demolishing dc graphics before dc barely started. remember the mgs2 trailer?  THAT shit was true next gen

shooting bottles and shooting lights out?

unparalleled at the time.

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The 2D to 3D jump wasn't big because of the graphics, it was because of entirely new gameplay possibilities. Something simply being in 3D was definitely a leap, but the PS1 to PS2 jump is the biggest visual leap thus far in this medium. That initial 2D to 3D jump was the biggest leap in regards to gameplay.

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I thought this thread was about the Nintendo DS.   

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I thought this thread was about the Nintendo DS.   

No one wants to TALK about the ds unfortunately.

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DS is my top favorite handheld and definitely one of my favorite systems of all time. Even though half (if not most) of Nintendo's output was massive trash but the third parties is what made the system truly shine.

Ace Attorney and Ghost Trick. Oh man. 

In speaking of, despite Ace Attorney Investigations 1 (Edgeworth spinoff) being kinda trash, the second game is really great. I definitely recommend playing the fan translation of that game as it feels pretty close to the official localization of the series.

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Games on ps1 had second stick but ps1 games did not use the second stick how we use it now. It was pretty experimental.

OK, that's fine and all if you want to look at it that way, but this was technology introduced for the PS1 and games released for it made full use of it.

Second stick use was so uncommon Dreamcast didn't even come with a second stick.

I wouldn't call it uncommon when it was the standard controller, on what is arguably the most popular console of that era, by the time the Dreamcast came out.  It is interesting that Sega didn't do this and instead went the mouse/kb route for games like Quake III Arena instead.

Halo and Timesplitters popularized it. The second stick was barely used in most ps1 games. And "requiring" second stick is a pretty big deal considering that's the entire point of the second sticks modern use: it's a required feature.
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It was optional because requiring everyone to shell out for another controller to play all new games would have been an incredibly stupid move. 

I can't say how many games used it and don't have time right now to see if anyone made a list.  Would be curious to see how many games did use both sticks.

Those games looked great, but it was still impressive to most people because most of us didn't have dreamcasts. "It wasn't a big deal?" False.

It wasn't as big a deal as going from mainly sprite-based games to HOLY SHIT POLYGONS EVERYWHERE IN MY FACE, no.   

Going from Virtua fighter 3 to 4 was a whole different level.

Yes, going from 1996's Virtua Fighter 3 to 2001's Virtua Fighter 4 was a nice visual upgrade.

...Well, sort of.  VF3 was way more impressive in 1996 than VF4 was in 2001.  And VF3 had some spectacular backgrounds, which were simplified in VF4 (due to fan demand, of course!)  The biggest leap graphically were the character models.  Which I would hope would look better after half a decade.

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The revisionist history that ps2 wasn't mind blowing is.. blowing my mind

There's no agenda going on here.  You're not see the perspective that the change from the focus being on sprite-based 16 bit graphics to 32-bit 3D polygon-based graphics was the bigger leap.

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The 2D to 3D jump wasn't big because of the graphics, it was because of entirely new gameplay possibilities. Something simply being in 3D was definitely a leap, but the PS1 to PS2 jump is the biggest visual leap thus far in this medium. That initial 2D to 3D jump was the biggest leap in regards to gameplay.

...And I would agree with you if there weren't other consoles (and PC games!) released between the PS1 and PS2.

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Sorry but I don't reply to people that fisk!

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also ps2 was demolishing dc graphics before dc barely started. remember the mgs2 trailer?  THAT shit was true next gen

DC was already getting demolished before the PS2 even came out.  I never saw so much hype.  That console didn't stand a chance with what was coming later.

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Sorry but I don't reply to people that fisk!

 

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ps2 took a steaming pile on pc graphics of the time like usual at the beginning of a console cycle.

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Sorry but I don't reply to people that fisk!

 

Replying in multiple quotes rather than the content of someone's post. It makes it easy for you to take bits and pieces to fit an argument or agenda rather than respond to the content of a post.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fisking

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The 2D to 3D jump wasn't big because of the graphics, it was because of entirely new gameplay possibilities. Something simply being in 3D was definitely a leap, but the PS1 to PS2 jump is the biggest visual leap thus far in this medium. That initial 2D to 3D jump was the biggest leap in regards to gameplay.

...And I would agree with you if there weren't other consoles (and PC games!) released between the PS1 and PS2.

PC games had much larger play areas and maps, but the visuals weren't that much better than what was going on with consoles. Another huge difference would be gameplay, since the PC hardware allowed for more ambitious stuff technically. The Dreamcast is also in the same gen as the PS2, it would be the first next gen console that generation.

Its incredibly hard to debate anecdotal reception of visual transitions. I'd say it would be disingenuous to treat the PS1 to Dreamcast/PS2 leap as being simply okay, not saying you're saying that though.

During the PS1/n64/Saturn days, arcade games were whooping their candy asses when it came to graphics. With the Dreamcast, near perfect arcade ports were happening as the norm. By the time the PS2 reached its stride in 2001, arcade games no longer had the same sheen and shine.

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Sorry but I don't reply to people that fisk!

 

Replying in multiple quotes rather than the content of someone's post. It makes it easy for you to take bits and pieces to fit an argument or agenda rather than respond to the content of a post.

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I'm just trying to have a discussion with you about video games.  If you don't want to do it, OK.  Will stop wasting my time.

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The Dreamcast is also in the same gen as the PS2, it would be the first next gen console that generation.

Yeah, definitely.  It had what would arguably be the first better-than-the-arcade port in Soul Calibur.  I can't remember another game that came out on a home console and actually looked that much better than the arcade version before it.  Tekken Tag 2 wasn't even as impressive in comparison to SC IMO.  SC was a much more aesthetically-pleasing game with better animation, but then I've always felt that way about SC and Tekken.

During the PS1/n64/Saturn days, arcade games were whooping their candy asses when it came to graphics. With the Dreamcast, near perfect arcade ports were happening as the norm. By the time the PS2 reached its stride in 2001, arcade games no longer had the same sheen and shine.

By the time the PS2 started taking off, arcade were closing down left and right...the focus just wasn't there anymore.  But yeah, the DC was where we were getting near perfect or perfect 3D arcade ports.  We already had that for 2D games with the Saturn.

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DC definitely upped the ante for arcade perfect 3d games. It's like I said, that generation made arcades irrelevant. While it's true arcades starting dying down, there wasn't much reason to go there anymore when you could play Soul Caliber 2 on your home system and it'd look just as good.

But again, regarding DC, DC was limited by its own medium. dvd allowed ps2 and xbox to do things dc never could. There's nothing on dc bar Shenmue that looks as good FF10 or MGS2 and I doubt DC would ever reach the highs of FF12 or Okami either.

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Also, like I said. You're biased in this. It's pretty clear that you paid attention to fighting games, but other genres didn't improve THAT much considerably on DC. Let's take RPGs, which at the time were all about increasing graphical dividends.

Grandia 2 and Skies and Phantasy Star Online looked better than ps1 rpgs but not CONSIDERABLY better.

Dark Cloud and Skies of Arcadia came out the same year.





A lot of DC games looked like marginally better N64 games.

Resident Evil Code Veronica was the first full 3d RE.





It doesn't look considerably better than a ps1 RE at all.

Compared to DMC it's not really that impressive.



Dreamcast wasn't THAT much of a leap for most games. DC is a system with a whole lot of fighters, so those look great. But a lot of other games? PS2 knocked those out before it even got warmed up. It's not even close. I think a lot of people put Dreamcast on a pedestal, as great a system it was. With few exceptions, it wasn't particularly mind blowing. What DC is great at is fidelity in that it had HD capabilities other systems didn't have. So DC has aged better than those in that you can hook one up today with vga and it'd look great, but if you hook up a ps2 with component cables to an lcd you're going to have a bad time.

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Lot of DC games looked like marginally better N64 games? Please stop posting and spreading fud. You sound like a ps2 ad.

Also the fucking SH 2 screens you posted is not how crisp the game looked at all on Ps2. Everything looked blurry.

The revisionist history that ps2 wasn't mind blowing is.. blowing my mind

There's no agenda going on here.  You're not see the perspective that the change from the focus being on sprite-based 16 bit graphics to 32-bit 3D polygon-based graphics was the bigger leap.

This is what Im saying

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The revisionist history that ps2 wasn't mind blowing is.. blowing my mind

There's no agenda going on here.  You're not see the perspective that the change from the focus being on sprite-based 16 bit graphics to 32-bit 3D polygon-based graphics was the bigger leap.

It was a leap, but it wasn't a bigger leap besides gameplay, and even gameplay-wise the jury is still out. A lot of early of 3d games still ultimately played like 2d games. No one is saying 2d -> 3d wasn't a leap. The point of contention is that 32 bit -> 128 was equally as big a leap in terms of both gameplay and graphics. When Lager says he didn't like ps2 because he had "seen it all before" it's pretty hard to take him seriously.

Lot of DC games looked like marginally better N64 games? Please stop posting and spreading fud. You sound like a ps2 ad.

Also the fucking SH 2 screens you posted is not how crisp the game looked at all on Ps2. Everything looked blurry.

My favorite system is the ps1.

Was SH2 blurry because of the output or was it blurry because of the games limitations of the ps2? SH2 wasn't that blurry at all.

I didn't say all DC games looked like marginally better N64 games. But many did.

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FYI gap between DC and PS2 was tiny compared to PS2 to Xbox.

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Xbox definitely ruled the roost that generation. But this didn't start out about graphics. You said ps2 wasn't a great system because you had "seen it all before".

You argued ps1 had better games based on:

The PS1 has loads over PS2 so uuuh

Ps2 didnt even have proper online, whole system was behind the game imho thats why I didnt bother

Nothing on it looked good or exciting cause I played it all on PS1 already and didnt want to waste time with more of the same

I was playing Diablo 2 and Counter Strike sorry

Unless you want to admit, right now, that you were trolling.

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Maybe a bit you know

Edit: still prefer ps1 games

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My DS library

Mine:

999
Away: Shuffle Dungeon (I was a big Mistwalker fan at one point)
Animal Crossing: Wild World
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney
Bangai-O Spirits (GOAT ds game)
Blue Dragon Awakened Shadow
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
Chrono Trigger
Contact
Contra 4
Culdcept
DAIGASSO! Band Bros
Dragon Ball Origins
Dragon Ball Origins 2
Dragon Quest 4: Chapters of the Chosen
Dragon Quest 5: Hand of the Heavenly Bride
Dragon Quest 6: Realms of Revelation
Dragon Quest 9: Sentinels of the Starry Skies
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 1
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2
Dragon Quest: Rocket Slime
Etrian Odyssey
Elibits
Elite Beat Agents
Feel The Magic XX/YY
Final Fantasy 3
Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift
Flower Sun and Rain
Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective
Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars
Great Giana Sisters
Henry Hatsworth
Hotel Dusk
Infinite Space
Kirby Canvas Curse
Legend of Kage 2 (stump recommended this kusoge, I regret it)
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
Meteos
Mega Man ZX
Mega Man ZXA
Metal Slug 7
Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes
Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer
New Super Mario Brothers
Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword
Okamiden (unopened, need to give it a shot)
Ouendan!
Ouendan! 2
Phoenix Wright:Ace Attorney
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 2
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 3
Pokemon Black 2
Professor Layton and the Curious Village
Radiant Historia
Retro Game Challenge
Retro Game Challenge 2
Rhythm Heaven
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor
Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
Space Invaders Extreme 2
Suikoden Tierkreis
Super Mario 64 DS
The World Ends With You
Trace Memory
Trauma Center: Under The Knife
Trauma Center: Under The Knife 2
WarioWare Touched
Yoshi's Island 2
Yosumin

From another time and another life, I really loved video games. I'd like catch up on ds games I missed. Mostly imports. I'd like to play Pokemon Soul Silver but it's expensive af.

Besides ps2, ds is the system I own the most games for. It really helps they were so much cheaper than other games at the time. A retail price of 30-35 dollars per game really built a big collection. You could buy two ds games for half the cost of a console retail game last gen.

[Mods Help]

http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E4%BB%BB%E5%A4%A9%E5%A0%82-Soul-Silver-%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC-%E3%82%BD%E3%82%A6%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B7%E3%83%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC/dp/B002HWR0TS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457641579&sr=8-1&keywords=%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC+%E3%82%BD%E3%82%A6%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B7%E3%83%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC

900 yen versus 50 + dollars. Bought.

[demi]

Counterfeit

[seagrams hotsauce]

Holy fucking shit SS complete is going for 200 on ebay? When did this happen? I didn't get it that long ago and I sure as fuck didn't pay anywhere close to that

[Mr. Nobody]

DS is my top favorite handheld and definitely one of my favorite systems of all time. Even though half (if not most) of Nintendo's output was massive trash but the third parties is what made the system truly shine.

Ace Attorney and Ghost Trick. Oh man. 

In speaking of, despite Ace Attorney Investigations 1 (Edgeworth spinoff) being kinda trash, the second game is really great. I definitely recommend playing the fan translation of that game as it feels pretty close to the official localization of the series.

The translation of 2 was fantastic. Seriously awesome work from that team.


The game itself though 

Case 3 should've been the GOAT case of the series and it just fell flat by being overly long and ultimately uninteresting. 

[demi]

Pokemon games always have good resale.

[Mods Help]

I haven't played a single Ace Attorney Investigations game. After Apollo I couldn't take more mediocrity.

Counterfeit

 

Will get me the game. We'll see if it's counterfeit.

[Mods Help]

While I generally agree with Mods Help and Positive Touch here, there is a point to what Lager is saying.

The PS2, for all intents and purposes, is the perfect video game console. Was all you'd ever need from a console at that point and stands as timeless. Buuuut when it came to moving forward the OG Xbox is probably the most emulated. Introducing hard drive disk saving, Xbox live, more PC games and features to consoles forever changed the game and I hanged standards to what consoles should have. Unlike the Wii, which promised a revolution but ultimately ended up as a fad, the Xbox is a big game changer.

No matter how you slice it. At the end of the day the PS2/GCN/Dreamcast/Xbox generation is probably the best overall console gaming wise. Maybe not as exciting as the 3D barrier being broken, but led to refinement and experimentation while a lot of 3D gaming got figured out. Such a wonderful time to play videogames.

ps2/gc/xbox/dc gen is the GOAT.

good point on the xbox.

[CatsCatsCats]

Dual shock has been trash in every iteration, sry

[Mods Help]

Dual shock has been trash in every iteration, sry

no arguments tbh. i hate the dual shock. I thought ds1 and ds2 were good at the time, but 3 and 4 are horrendous

xbox s-controller really stepped up what a 3d controller should be like

[Mr. Nobody]

I'm using a dualshock 4 right now and you're wrong 

[Mods Help]

that battery life

those sticks

[Mr. Nobody]

Battery life could be better 

Sticks are alright though imo