Nintendo ds was a top 5 system

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Probably my number 3 at the end of the day behind ps1 and ps2. I think in some way it may be tied with ps2 as the best system of all time but ps2 edges it out.

It had poor Nintendo software but holy fuck, everything else? Golden.

A large part of why I'm probably so meh on this generation is probably because of how fucking amazing ds and psp as two complimentary systems were. We didn't know it at the time but they were the last traditional game systems we were ever gonna get with an endless library. 3ds and vita aren't even in the same league. Most worthwhile 3ds games have been ported to mobile or whatever. Ds library was waist deep in games but we are probably in 3ds' final year and it's just now getting good and its offerings were paltry in comparison. I hope NX doesn't kill 3ds because it still has room to grow.

I'd take my ds to work every day and have a cup I got as a  high school graduation present for my games. I'd play it at lunch everyday. It's vast variety, its unique flare. Its storied legacy of a troubled system that was initially laughed at because of its bizarre concept.

I was going to buy a ds flashcart for my 3ds but I may just get a new ds lite and just play japanese imports on that since Nintendo keeps blocking flashcarts.

Nintendo DS

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http://kotaku.com/farewell-to-the-ds-my-favorite-system-of-all-479922918

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DS was alright but held back by whacky two screens, underpowered hardware and lack of analogue stick.

Games wise dont remember much really, Advandce Strike DS was worse then on GBA.

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Ds doesn't work out without two screens

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I thought it was a great gimmick for two three games for sure. But the whole dual screen setup is dumb.

Best thing about it was the fact you could close it.

I can def see its appeal Andy for certain people with games like ace attorney atc. I also loved the FF remakes.

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I can't rate handhelds anymore. It sucks because I really, really liked the gba but at some point I just lost the ability to play on handhelds for extended periods of time.

Frankly, though, just on strength of catalog I'd rank the GBA above the DS. What does the DS have over on the GBA, library wise?

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I can't rate handhelds anymore. It sucks because I really, really liked the gba but at some point I just lost the ability to play on handhelds for extended periods of time.

Frankly, though, just on strength of catalog I'd rank the GBA above the DS. What does the DS have over on the GBA, library wise?

I'm baffled this is a serious question. To me it's like asking what ps1 has, library wise, over the ps2.

Gba is a good system but its library is not as deep as the Nintendo ds. It has better 2d Metroid's and a better Castlevania (namely Aria) but let's do the math. Gba came out on 2001. DS came out in 2004. While gba had a few more years of life and the ds didn't instantly kill it, ds was relevant between 2004 to 2011. That's almost ten years and ds games are still being made right now.

Ds benefits from a Japan that made handhelds their main systems. It had the best RPGs of that system generation, it had unique games like visual novels in your pocket, its strategy catalogue is more robust than gba's, it had more music games, it had a brand new top downGrand Theft Auto for goodness sake that was one of the funnest games the series had to offer. Gba doesn't have anything like Meteos or The World Ends With You. Ds had ITS OWN EXCLSUIVE DRAGON QUEST. Animal Crossing Wild World. Radiant Historia. Ghost Trick. Bangai-O spirits. Professor Layton. That crazy stylus Ninja Gaiden game. Contra 4. Trauma Center, where you put people under surgery, using gameplay that was exclusive only to the ds. Elite Beat Agents and Ouendan! Daigasso Band Brothers! Game Center CX! Shin Megami Tensei Strange Journey! Ds had a Korg synthesizer game!

The only things gba has over ds is 2d metroid and aria of sorrow and maybe the original Rhythm Tengoku. Even then, you can just play them on your ds courtesy of gba bc.

I can see preferring Psp over ds as its library is equally almost as deep as the ds, but not the gba.

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The PS1 has loads over PS2 so uuuh

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My suggestion, since playing on handhelds is a problem is to emulate.

THis is what ds looks like at a hgh resolution thanks to emulation.

















Emulate to play ds classics.

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The PS1 has loads over PS2 so uuuh

Not really. PS2 is the far better system in every objective way. Everything else comes down to personal preference. I say this as someone whose favorite system is the ps1. Though these days I lean ps2. In any case, the comparison wasn't 1:1. It was a mere example. However, the ds is definitely the ps2 of handhelds, in terms of quantity and quality. GBA has quality, but it doesn't have quantity.

Frankly, your comment about how dual screens was pointlless leads me to believe you have no idea what you're talking about in terms of ds' library, given it gave so many games extra utility.

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I guess every other system ever is missing this amazing utility of a low rez 2nd screen :rolleyes

PS1 has better FFs, MGS, Ridge Racer, Wipeout, Tomb Raider, Tekken, square's golden age games like PE and Xenogears

Where you even born when it came out?

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Wait i thought you were andy cause you posted so much bs

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The PS1 has loads over PS2 so uuuh

Nooooooooooooope

As a kid who benefited from rampant piracy on both systems and played most of the best games both have to offer for 2 dollars a game, I heavily disagree.

Did you play on PS1 in 95?

Sounds more like you played both in the 2000s

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How do you know you had more time?

Ps2 was home of boring sequels like ffx and mgs2 zzzz all the originals where on ps1

I can see a anime weaboo like you drooling over it though

And yes it matters when you first played something, dont expect someone like you to understand

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i got a ps1 when i was 12, lager.

nothing I've said is wrong.

In any case, this is a DS thread. No one cares about sony itt.

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Ps2 didnt even have proper online, whole system was behind the game imho thats why I didnt bother

Nothing on it looked good or exciting cause I played it all on PS1 already and didnt want to waste time with more of the same

I was playing Diablo 2 and Counter Strike sorry

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I miss laying in bed with a good ds visual novel. Or when a good rpg came out and I'd watch tv with my roommates while playing the game at the same time (winning). I miss ds during lunch time. So many people used to have their ds systems out in public so you could ask what they were playing. I never see a 3ds in public.

Besides the psp, was the last system I truly loved.

Now I'm old and don't like anything.



The day I accidentally dropped my ds and it broke - forever - was incredibly painful.

 :'(

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Is AA6 written by the original writer? I heard 5 wasn't?

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those emu screenshots look terrific. hi-rez low-poly graphics

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Hotel Dusk/Last Window 

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The only game that made use of the second screen was Trauma Center. Anything else would've been fine without the second screen and/or touch-screen ability. That's not to say that the DS isn't a kick-ass system, it is. But let's be honest: A majority of the titles that released on it didn't need the second screen at all.

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Depends on the game and how much you value function.

Jason Shreier has it correct here:

But the DS could have never worked if it only had a touchscreen. The touchscreen was supplemental. The DS's most successful games used it in tandem with both the second screen and buttons to create experiences that were interesting and unique. My favorite DS moments were ones that took advantage of that: tapping the screen while frenetically pushing buttons to fight with both party members in The World Ends With You; holding the DS sideways like a book as I used my stylus to navigate the grim Hotel Dusk; drawing maps as I moved through dungeons in Etrian Odyssey.

I can't imagine having a map below on the second screen without having to go to another menu. I find that to be really helpful in dungeon crawlers specifically.

You just show you don't value that as a feature. That doesn't mean ds games didn't use it. They just didn't use it in a gimmicky way that you value it. That's all.

To say the second screen lacked utility is false. To say that only Trauma Center used it is even more false. What about Rhythm Heaven Gold? Kirby's Canvas Cruse? TWEWY doesn't work nearly as well without the second screen, as seen in the mobile port.

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I played Hotel Dusk, hon. Outside of that infamous "close the DS" moment... there's nothing there that they couldn't do on one-screen or without the touchpad. Hell, I played the majority of the game with the A/B/X/Y buttons because I'm left-handed. I didn't use the touch-screen movement or anything like that.

So yeah: A lot of the gimmicks that people used the touch-screen for weren't really needed. If you removed the touch-screen and the second screen function, you just got titles that had cluttered menus on menus like old. Again: The only title that REALLY made use of the touch-screen was Trauma  Center. And that's mostly because you had to fly through 3-5 tools in a matter of 30 seconds a pop to clear the missions there.

But when Pokemon is only using the second screen/touch-screen for inventory management and showing a clock... you know even Nintendo internal doesn't have a purpose for it. It's like "Tom Clancy's: The Division"'s PC version touting that it's able to put the ENTIRE menu onto a person's second monitor if they own/use one. I mean "that's neat, but is there a reason to use it?" No, not really. You get the same functions on the main/solo-monitor and just screen clutter. Same with the DS.

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here is some commentary from the etrian odyssey 1 promo website that I feel is appropriate here ( elaborate flash promo websites )

this bit is from the director's diary entry #2

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Let's take EBA and Ouendan.

They told stories on the top screen and you did gameplay in the bottom screen.



What about Daigasso! Band Bros:



The World Ends With You LITERALLY uses both screens for combat AT THE SAME TIME.



Etrian Odyssey, the game where you draw and chart the map for survival.



A lot of games used it for bonus information without cluttering up the game screen, allowing for smooth UI's.





This was helpful for things like visual novels, which used it to make interesting storytelling techniques in their direction.



In an RPG, this is useful because you get to see more of the battles without clutter.




I love not having to go to a menu to look at a map. And I like having the entire battle field viewable with UI specifically its own place for battle.

In a game like Monster Honter, although for the 3ds, the dual screens actually allow for more optimal control due to the lack of analog stick.



Saying the dual screen set up wasn't used to its advantage literally shows your ignorance and that you have no idea what you're talking about. It's hard to take your opinion seriously beyond any objective merit.

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You can totally use the stylus while lying down. Did it with Ace Attorney all the time.

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You know you can just have a bigger higher res screen and have a map on it

Ive seen this before in games

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Meh, who cares. Was useful. So in a game like FFIV, ds you'd chart your map and it'd mark chests.



Menu UI during battle isn't cluttered. It's nice and simple.



Now let's look at the mobile port UI.





Utility and function while having cleaner screens.

Dual Screen

Going to single screen stuff in NX is going to take time.

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GBA had better Fire Emblem games, so.

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TWEWY though 

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Much better than Hotel Dusk.

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Much better than Hotel Dusk.

I don't even think you believe that 

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hotel dusk wasn't that good imo

I liked the novelty tho

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I enjoyed it and it's sequel. We'll have to agree to disagree.

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Hotel dusk has a sequel?

Tbf to hotel dusk, I was directly comparing it to Ace Attorney and other adventure games. I'm more than willing to give it another chance. I recently gave TWEWY another chance and I came out enjoying it much more.

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I guess every other system ever is missing this amazing utility of a low rez 2nd screen :rolleyes

PS1 has better FFs, MGS, Ridge Racer, Wipeout, Tomb Raider, Tekken, square's golden age games like PE and Xenogears

Where you even born when it came out?

I question how much you played in the PS2 generation. Hell, if you dabbled with all three consoles and pc games that gen, its pretty hard to top the PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, PC games of that era.

Classic Tomb Raider has aged like milk. You'd have to be some insane nostalgia fueled person to play Tekken 3 over Tekken 5 (and its remastered version on PS3), Tekken Tag 2, or Tekken 7 when it comes out. Ridge Racer was always a passable at best series, it was sort of a looker in the PS1 days, I'll give it that. Wipeout had one release on the PS2, but arcade racers survived in general.

MGS1 and Final Fantasy 7 will always be timeless for me, don't know how other people feel about those two games though.

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this thread just reminds me that i was too broke to take advantage of the ds glory years. i bought a bunch of cool games for it a few months ago but i still have yet to play them. i just end up playing games on my phone nowadays instead.

nintendo dogs was cool tho

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MGS1 and FF7 are classics but MGS3 and FF10 are also classics. ps2 had Ridge Racer 5. There was only one wipeout on ps2 but Burnout 3 made a pretty damn good replacement. Never mind other arcade racers like SSX series. Lager's opinion is absolutely mind boggling.

Anyways, DS owned.

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this thread just reminds me that i was too broke to take advantage of the ds glory years. i bought a bunch of cool games for it a few months ago but i still have yet to play them. i just end up playing games on my phone nowadays instead.

nintendo dogs was cool tho

It really helped that DS (and psp) was my main system that gen. I didn't buy as many console games then, because they didn't interest me. I was pretty much ds+psp exclusive with exceptions. So I really, really went deep into their libraries.

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lager didn't play much ps2 and trolled it bc he was an Xbox fan,  kind of like how he trolls Xbox 1 now. that's why he's shitting up the thread now

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i had a desk job for a while where i had a lot of time to play gba and early psp and ds.  it was so awesome bc even then there was tons of good stuff.

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this thread just reminds me that i was too broke to take advantage of the ds glory years. i bought a bunch of cool games for it a few months ago but i still have yet to play them. i just end up playing games on my phone nowadays instead.

nintendo dogs was cool tho

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i had a desk job for a while where i had a lot of time to play gba and early psp and ds.  it was so awesome bc even then there was tons of good stuff.

the good ol days

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I'm not trying to rain on your DS positivity parade, but I liked the GBA much, much more than the DS.  The DS to me was a system to play the Ace Attorney games (the first three being GBA ports, heh), the Castlevania games (None were as good as Aria), and a few other select titles, mainly puzzle games, for me.  I really didn't play it very much...the PSP took up the vast majority of my portable gaming time.  It is pretty much the same with the 3DS and Vita, although I've played the 3DS a lot more than I ever did the DS.

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Like I said earlier, I can understand preferring psp to ds. I myself did at many points during that gen. I went back and forth between the two because they were both so good. In the end, I prefer ds. psp had games you couldn't do on ds, but the opposite was true for ds as well. They acted as compliment systems.

I personally haven't had any urge to get a Vita and I say this as a massive psp fan. Also, as someone whose main system was their ds and psp last gen, I barely touch my 3ds. Maybe once every few months. There's kind of no need to with how good mobile games are now.

Also, it's not really fair to slight Ace Attorney games for being gba ports. Can you imagine playing AA games without touch controls? It'd be pretty terrible examining everything. There's no ds Vania as good as Aria, but none as bad as Harmony. Also, Aria is a once in a blue moon game. Portrait of Ruin while, not the best, is still really awesome.

You clearly prefer action titles, and there's an area where psp had an advantage over ds. So preferring psp to ds really isn't much of a surprise. DS was a more relaxed system, while psp had ps2 ports and action games and shit. psp also had the bonus of being able to play ps1 games. At the end of its life it managed to get an amazing strategy rpg lineup as well. I still don't think it's as good as ds for my tastes.

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Hotel dusk has a sequel?

Tbf to hotel dusk, I was directly comparing it to Ace Attorney and other adventure games. I'm more than willing to give it another chance. I recently gave TWEWY another chance and I came out enjoying it much more.

Yeah, Last Window.



Only localized for Europe. If only Nintendo handhelds were still region free 

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...It's a ds game. ds games are region free even on 3ds.

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...It's a ds game. ds games are region free even on 3ds.

Word.

I think it was only with the DSi that region-lockout was introduced, and then ONLY for the DSi online store.

I'm still pissed that the 3DS introduced region lockout to what had been a healthy setup.

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...It's a ds game. ds games are region free even on 3ds.

Word.

I think it was only with the DSi that region-lockout was introduced, and then ONLY for the DSi online store.

I'm still pissed that the 3DS introduced region lockout to what had been a healthy setup.

I'd be playing my 3ds a lot more if it weren't region locked.

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Hotel dusk has a sequel?

Tbf to hotel dusk, I was directly comparing it to Ace Attorney and other adventure games. I'm more than willing to give it another chance. I recently gave TWEWY another chance and I came out enjoying it much more.

Yeah, Last Window.

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Only localized for Europe. If only Nintendo handhelds were still region free 

lol, what a mong. DS is region free.

If you use a flashcart or emulate theres a bunch of translations out too.

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My DS library

007: Blood Stone
007: Goldeneye
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
Blue Dragon Plus
Bubble Bobble Revolution
Bust-A-Move DS
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol
Chrono Trigger
Contact
Disgaea DS
Dragon Quest 4: Chapters of the Chosen
Dragon Quest 5: Hand of the Heavenly Bride
Dragon Quest 6: Realms of Revelation
Dragon Quest 9: Sentinels of the Starry Skies
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2
Etrian Odyssey
Etrian Odyssey 2
Final Fantasy 12: Revenant Wings
Final Fantasy 3
Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift
Final Fantasy: The 4 Heroes of Light
Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective
Glory of Heracles
Hotel Dusk: Room 315
Kirby Canvas Curse
Kirby Mass Attack
Kirby Super Star Ultra
Luminous Arc 2
Lunar Knights
Magical Starsign
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
Mario Kart DS
New Super Mario Brothers
Nintendogs: Shiba & Friends
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Picross DS
Pokemon Black
Pokemon Conquest
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness
Pokemon Platinum
Pokemon Ranger: Guardian Signs
Pokemon Ranger: Shadows of Almia
Pokemon SoulSilver
Pokemon White Version 2
Polarium
Professor Layton and the Curious Village
Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box
Retro Game Challenge
Rhythm Heaven
Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
Star Wars Battlefront: Elite Squadron
Super Mario 64 DS
Tetris DS
The World Ends With You
Trauma Center: Under The Knife
WarioWare Touched

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I was talking about the 3DS being region-locked. I beat Last Window when it came out in 2010. 

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Most 3ds games come over here anyway

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Is Tetris 3DS still the best Tetris out there? It was pretty impressive that it managed to dethrone the OG Game Boy Tetris.

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Most 3ds games come over here anyway

Agreed, but I still wish we got the 3DS Rocket Slime, Theatrhythm:DQ, the DQ Monsters games, Metal Max 4, and Beyond the Labyrinth. I'm just glad we are getting DQ7 and we got Project Mirai, those were my most wanted localizations for a long while.

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Single cart wireless multiplay was pretty rad. The one time I went to PAX many moons ago in Bellevue, it was cool how any games were just open if you searched