Game of Thrones Season 6 Thread "I choose violence"

[ZephyrFate]

The same reason they telegraphed literally every other thing in this episode: as obviously as possible.

[Dennis]

[brawndolicious]

The shots this episode were beautiful. That sort of long shot with the horses and people first colliding and chaos everywhere around John was jaw dropping.

Why didn't Rickon zig-zag?

You gotta watch Generation Kill. Apparently that's the worse way to do it (slower?).

[bluemax]

Yeah, I guess you're right. But for a show that made its name on out of nowhere twists beginning with Ned's beheading there's not been any real surprises this season outside of time-travel Bran and the cursed door.

The books were pretty bad at telegraphing stuff too, but people liked to pretend that GURM was good at subverting tropes and what not, when other than killing Ned everything he did was bog standard.

I wouldn't call it a swerve, moreso a "the eagles are coming" moment of convenient writing. The main reason Sansa didn't tell Jon about LF/Vale is because the writers wanted a surprise 3-4 episodes later, after casual viewers forgot the detail. Then you add in a giant Vale army somehow managing to get past Moat Cailin without A) the Bolton force stopping them B) a raven being sent to Winterfell.

I honestly feel like they might be building towards something with Sansa and Jon, she's been with holding stuff and getting pissed at him, I feel like at this point it has to be important.

Of course when we find out next week that R+L=J maybe it won't matter.

Spoilers have been super accurate this season

Yup. AFAIK we've only gotten one spoiler so far for episode 10.

[ZephyrFate]

The books telegraph over small prophecies or chapters interspersed over several books, whereas the show telegraphs an outcome within the same scene these days.

[eleuin]

One thing that annoys the fuck out of me, both here and in the Two Towers with that Rohan charge at the end of Helm's Deep: cavalry cannot just charge a pike/spear formation and plow through it. In fact, when pike formations started to become more ubiquitous on the battlefield, heavy cavalry assaults started to fall out of use, because horses can't just charge a wall of spears, and usually will refuse to do so.

to be fair all of the shields and pikes were facing inwards

they still should've heard the horn and started turning around but battle tactics weren't fucked up that bad

[Cerveza mas fina]

heavy calvary can charge pikes, they just use lances

here as said they charged from the back so no worries

they couldnt turn around because they were already engaged

[bluemax]

Debate proper military tactics in a fantasy world with dragons, zombies and shadow babies.

[Phoenix Dark]

The episode was really well done production wise. Multiple amazing shots, perhaps the best tracking shot in the show's history, etc. I'd have to watch it again but in many ways that might be the best battle scene I've watched since Kingdom Of Heaven. Really well directed. Also Harrington sold that shit so well. Not many lines but Jon's face just tells the tale perfectly.

Not a fan of the tactics in the battle but whatever. It was pretty cool. Dany stuff was whatever.

I know every time people think there's a show specific theory the show proves to be too simple for that shit but am I the only person who got the impression Sansa was disappointed Jon was alive? It was like she realized she won't be queen now.

[CatsCatsCats]

Sansa heel turn gun happen

[TVC15]

Sansa heel turn gun happen

Sansa was always basically a bad guy. She just became sympathetic because bad shit kept happening to her for like four seasons straight. She's still the same lady that wanted in Joffrey's pants bad.

[brawndolicious]

What if it turns out that Lyana is the birth mother of John Snow (just a personal theory) and somehow this became known to everyone in Westeros, it could lead to some awkward Sansa seduction of her bro-cousin.

[Boogie]

What if it turns out that Lyana is the birth mother of John Snow (just a personal theory)

Personal theory.  Very interesting.  First I've heard of this, thx.

[TVC15]

What if it turns out that Lyana is the birth mother of John Snow (just a personal theory) and somehow this became known to everyone in Westeros, it could lead to some awkward Sansa seduction of her bro-cousin.

She'll probably already be married to Littlefinger by then. Or if they want to get really soapy, they could have her find out the truth about Jon the night before her wedding to Littlefinger. She'll be torn between the suave but potentially less powerful Littlefinger and Jon's combo of king's blood with junk dick.

[Tasty]

http://imgur.com/gallery/AQQN9X6

[fizzel]

This Daenary's bint is Angela Merkel level insane. Tell's island monkeys (at most a few thousand because of how shitty the island is) they can't reave and raid. But repares to ship a 100,000+ machete rapist horselords into the heart of westerosi civilisation.

[king of the internet]

RIP Ramsay. I hated him like everyone else until some of my associates started to say that I look like him, and even started to call me Ramsay, which should probably should have offended me but instead caused me to have a change of heart and start rooting for him. Really he should have won the battle and irl would have without finger magically appearing at just the right time. I would rather have a badass like him facing off against the others instead of some clueless emo like Jon.

[Tasty]

This Daenary's bint is Angela Merkel level insane. Tell's island monkeys (at most a few thousand because of how shitty the island is) they can't reave and raid. But repares to ship a 100,000+ machete rapist horselords into the heart of westerosi civilisation.

Yeah... how's she gonna keep them all in line? She couldn't even stop a city from trying to kill itself over and over.

[Human Snorenado]

Pretty much nailed it...

[brawndolicious]

I think by the time he was in the middle of the battlefield he figured he was lost but his men broke formation because they have obvious #leadershipissues. 

What if it turns out that Lyana is the birth mother of John Snow (just a personal theory)

Personal theory.  Very interesting.  First I've heard of this, thx.

don't you steal it and start claiming it as your own.

[bluemax]

Debate proper military tactics in a fantasy world with dragons, zombies and shadow babies.

And no one mentioned the absurdity of launching flaming balls from BOATS. Even though in an early season Bronn pointed out how incredibly dangerous and unreliable catapults are.

Or why like 5 random sons of the Harpy were just knifing people outside the main gate of the city.

[Phoenix Dark]

Debate proper military tactics in a fantasy world with dragons, zombies and shadow babies.

And no one mentioned the absurdity of launching flaming balls from BOATS. Even though in an early season Bronn pointed out how incredibly dangerous and unreliable catapults are.

Or why like 5 random sons of the Harpy were just knifing people outside the main gate of the city.

The Greeks launched Greek Fire (the real world inspiration for wildfire) from ships.

[Cerveza mas fina]

thank you pd

[headwalk]

show is rolling to its conclusion and is in a dull place where there isn't close enough to the end to waste any of the leads, but too close to kill them off and properly develop replacements. good guys do stupid rash things and get saved by deus ex machina, bad guys outsmart them buy still get their comeuppance. pragmatism and ruthlessness used to be key to surviving the world, now if you're a lead you're clad in titanium plot armour and can do any old silly hollywood bollocks.

dull dull dull.

shame because the last episode was spectacularly well made in spite of all that.
 

[TVC15]

Predictions?

Cersei uses wildfire
Tommen dies, Sparrow lives
Sansa agrees to marry Littlefinger
Jon finds out his parentage
GRRM watches illegally downloaded eps of Herman's Head while eating those Cheetos fried macaroni wads from BK.

[bluemax]

I'd double up on most of your predictions except Sansa marrying LF, I don't see that happening.

I'm also adding Bronn dies and Varys visits Dorne.

[toku]

Predictions?

Cersei uses wildfire
Tommen dies, Sparrow lives
Sansa agrees to marry Littlefinger
Jon finds out his parentage
GRRM watches illegally downloaded eps of Herman's Head while eating those Cheetos fried macaroni wads from BK.

half of the court at KL dies horribly
Dany realizes what a huge mistake she's made as soon as the first bloodrider steps onto a ship

[Tasty]

Holy fuuuuuucccckkk this is one of the best episodes of the entire series

DAT SCORE

DAT ACTION

DAT CINEMATOGRAPHY

DAT DIALOG

DESE PLOT DEVELOPMENTS

[helios]

Those first 15-20 minutes were the best in this show ever. That piano motif was phenomenal.

I don't even care about Varys teleporting all over the place, that episode was lit. The best one this show had.

[fistfulofmetal]

Varys showing up at the end was hilarious. They give 0 fucks about the physical space between places.

That was probably one of the best season finales in the show.

[Tasty]

Jon Snow anointed the new King in the North.

Cersei on the Iron Throne.

The Ironborn, Unsullied, Dothraki, and three dragons crossing the Narrow Sea to Westeros (and their allies in Dorne.)

Yeah, this was the best finale in years, if ever.

Those first 15-20 minutes were the best in this show ever. That piano motif was phenomenal.

I don't even care about Varys teleporting all over the place, that episode was lit. The best one this show had.

Hardhome is still my favorite, but this episode easily takes second and was stronger as an entire overall episode. The music was some next-level shit.

[dkdk]

oh man oh man.


i gotta watch that again.

[Tasty]

I was legit shook by the Arya scene, did not see it coming at all (for some reason.)

[fistfulofmetal]

So Jon would technically have more right to the throne over Dany I assume?

[Tasty]

So Jon would technically have more right to the throne over Dany I assume?

Yup.

[Human Snorenado]

I give it five out of five

[Human Snorenado]

Cersei is the baddest bitch around; too bad it's not gonna matter in the face of all of Dany's forces and dragons and shit.

[Phoenix Dark]

That episode was nearly perfect. The piano theme throughout the KL scenes was such a brilliant idea. Likewise the directing was great, again. The same director who did ep9 did this one; he also did Hardholme last season. I'm hoping Hollywood doesn't snatch him up, as they did to Alan Taylor who directed the last two episodes of S1 (still two of the best episodes of the series imo). The northern stuff was quite strong tonight. Still not a fan of every major northern house except the Mormonts forsaking their liege lords until the battle was won, but whatever. And no Manderly speech...but we still got Frey pies.


And there it is folks. The confirmation we've been waiting for. Ice and fire. Also they made a point not to reveal what Lyanna said his name is. Martin has said before that Ned named Jon (likely after Jon Arryn), and I'd take tonight as further confirmation that Rhaegar gave him a different birth name.

[jakefromstatefarm]

there's no way that scene with Olenna telling the sand snakes to go fuck themselves wasn't to some extent fanservice for last season

[ZephyrFate]

Now THAT was a good episode of Game of Thrones. Fuck!

[eleuin]

The Jon reveal 

[Phoenix Dark]

Guessing we'll see confirmation that they were married next season, likely at the Isle of Faces. But I'm not sure what his parentage means unless it can be proven to a large group of people. Maybe the proof is in Winterfell's crypts (what if Lyanna was buried in her Targaryen wedding cloak) and maybe Howland Reed will show up to tell everyone the truth...but will that be enough?

[Phoenix Dark]

Did you notice the shot of Ned leaning Dawn on Lyanna's bed? Could it be Lightbringer?

potential spoilers for S7 (book stuff)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Wonder if we'll get flashbacks of Ned returning Dawn to Starfall; I'm guessing that Ashara has been cut from the show though. At least one Dayne has to know who Jon is.

I doubt Jon has time to travel to Starfall (but you never know given how quickly LF and Varys move around lmao). Perhaps the sword will be brought to Winterfell, if it's actually Lightbringer.

[close]

[eleuin]

Wonder if lady stoneheart shows up at all

[bluemax]

Wonder if lady stoneheart shows up at all

Was Sandor Clegane pissing in the river not sign enough that she wasn't gonna show up?

Jon Snow's face when they declared him King in the North "Not this shit again!"

[Tasty]

I had a dream. A dream that N plus L equaled J. That dream is gone, brehs

Ned fucked his sister? What the fuck kind of slash-fiction dream is that?

[seagrams hotsauce]

shit knocked. willing to forget about season 5 after that

[TVC15]

Cersei is the best. Since Sansa foolishly turned down Littlefinger, it'd be awesome if he pursued Cersei instead. They'd be the best couple ever.

[toku]

Poor LF, can't catch a break in love.

[Vizzys]

the music in this ep was pretty good

also arya is bae

[Let's Cyber]

I haven't read the books so maybe there is something I'm missing but it there don't seem to be many that know of Littlefinger's betrayal of Eddard that would have reason to say anything...besides Sandor.  The Hound was present when Littlefinger betrayed Ned in the throne room.  You can even see Sandor over Littlefinger's shoulder as he holds a dagger to Ned's throat. 



Maybe Arya and the Hound meet again and that is when Sandor drops the "Littlefinger betrayed your father" bomb which makes it way back to Sansa.  But it seems the writers have setup Sansa as one of the only weaknesses Littlefinger really has (or at least someone he has his guard down around) and all this scheming by LF to get Sansa to betray Jon is going to blow up hard in his face eventually.  That bit of information could be the catalyst. 

[Kara]

Shame! Shame! Shame!

[Tasty]

Shame! Shame! Shame!

Sooooo good

[Tasty]

Via IO9:

• Fun fact: The three major deaths of the Red Wedding were, in order: 1) Robb’s direwolf Grey Wind, shot by crossbows; 2) Robb, stabbed in the gut by Roose Bolton; and 3) Catelyn, whose throat was slit by a Frey. The three major instigators of the Red Wedding were Tywin Lannister, Roose Bolton and Walder Frey, who died in consecutive order by crossbow bolts, a knife to the gut, and a slit throat. Someone noted this in the comments in a previous recap, but I can’t find it so my apologies for not being able to properly credit you.

DEEPEST LORE

[Phoenix Dark]

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4q159e/spoilers_extended_reactions_game_of_thrones/d4pfoij?context=3

when you forget about some crazy theory you made up and it comes true
 

[fizzel]

So... Did zombie mountain rape the ratchet-nun?

[Kara]

Via IO9:

• Fun fact: The three major deaths of the Red Wedding were, in order: 1) Robb’s direwolf Grey Wind, shot by crossbows; 2) Robb, stabbed in the gut by Roose Bolton; and 3) Catelyn, whose throat was slit by a Frey. The three major instigators of the Red Wedding were Tywin Lannister, Roose Bolton and Walder Frey, who died in consecutive order by crossbow bolts, a knife to the gut, and a slit throat. Someone noted this in the comments in a previous recap, but I can’t find it so my apologies for not being able to properly credit you.

DEEPEST LORE

We also have the War of the 6.02 * 10 ^ 23 Kings again except with queens now. (Jon Yellowsnow filling the token gender swap role previously held by Dany.)

[Phoenix Dark]

Via IO9:

• Fun fact: The three major deaths of the Red Wedding were, in order: 1) Robb’s direwolf Grey Wind, shot by crossbows; 2) Robb, stabbed in the gut by Roose Bolton; and 3) Catelyn, whose throat was slit by a Frey. The three major instigators of the Red Wedding were Tywin Lannister, Roose Bolton and Walder Frey, who died in consecutive order by crossbow bolts, a knife to the gut, and a slit throat. Someone noted this in the comments in a previous recap, but I can’t find it so my apologies for not being able to properly credit you.

DEEPEST LORE

We also have the War of the 6.02 * 10 ^ 23 Kings again except with queens now. (Jon Yellowsnow filling the token gender swap role previously held by Dany.)

Has Jon declared his gender identity? Check your privilege.
 

[fizzel]

there's no way that scene with Olenna telling the sand snakes to go fuck themselves wasn't to some extent fanservice for last season

[fizzel]