Author Topic: Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon (Read 33677 times)

demi · « **Reply #60 on:** July 19, 2016, 02:35:03 PM »

You are the only one who will want to play this game "competitively"

Rest of us just tryna get some badges and shit

Tasty · « **Reply #61 on:** July 19, 2016, 02:37:34 PM »

Quote from: demi on July 19, 2016, 02:35:03 PM

You are the only one who will want to play this game "competitively"

Rest of us just tryna get some badges and shit

Too pussy to fite me?

Freyj · « **Reply #62 on:** July 19, 2016, 08:28:33 PM »

Game would be better figuring out some better way of handling stats than fucking EVs and IVs but whatever at least it's "easier" to deal with worst system in any JRPG I can think of.

Tasty · « **Reply #63 on:** July 20, 2016, 12:54:06 AM »

Quote from: Freyj on July 19, 2016, 08:28:33 PM

Game would be better figuring out some better way of handling stats than fucking EVs and IVs but whatever at least it's "easier" to deal with worst system in any JRPG I can think of.

If you mean the deepest and best system of any JRPG then you're right. There's a reason Pokemon's the only competitive JRPG and has endured for over twenty years with the same fundamental stat system.

Freyj · « **Reply #64 on:** July 20, 2016, 01:59:15 AM »

There are a bunch of spergs who don't want to let go of their childhoods?

I mean it's great that they are less pointless grinds now, but that always seemed kind of the point of them in the first place. A simple stat allocation / talent system would serve the same purpose without wasting everyone's time.

demi · « **Reply #65 on:** July 20, 2016, 09:40:31 AM »

Are there even any other "competitive JRPGs" out there? I think you're just making up words now to put it on a pedestal.

Tasty · « **Reply #66 on:** July 20, 2016, 10:41:54 AM »

I don't need to do shit, the fact that Pokemon's so popular proves it has a great battle system.

demi · « **Reply #67 on:** July 20, 2016, 10:55:02 AM »

Who's saying it has a bad battle system? Dragon Quest is older and it's the same exact thing.

Rufus · « **Reply #68 on:** July 20, 2016, 11:01:23 AM »

I don't think anyone would actually miss the arcane (read: tedious) shit you have to do to train Pokemon 'properly'. Maybe it's gotten easier though, I don't follow the games' development closely.

qq more · « **Reply #69 on:** July 20, 2016, 11:24:21 AM »

I don't think anyone's saying the battle system is bad. Just the mechanics to make a really good Pokemon for competitive play is absolutely tedious and annoying.

Quote from: Rufus on July 20, 2016, 11:01:23 AM

I don't think anyone would actually miss the arcane (read: tedious) shit you have to do to train Pokemon 'properly'. Maybe it's gotten easier though, I don't follow the games' development closely.

It got easier thanks to Ditto sharing its IV values with the eggs they make, but it's still ass.

Tasty · « **Reply #70 on:** July 20, 2016, 11:40:33 AM »

Quote from: demi on July 20, 2016, 10:55:02 AM

Who's saying it has a bad battle system?

Quote from: qq more on July 20, 2016, 11:24:21 AM

I don't think anyone's saying the battle system is bad.

Freyj, who I was applying to. Butt out.

Quote from: Freyj on July 19, 2016, 08:28:33 PM

worst system in any JRPG I can think of.

demi · « **Reply #71 on:** July 20, 2016, 11:55:54 AM »

Oh, yea the EV IV shit is pretty terrible, no question

qq more · « **Reply #72 on:** July 20, 2016, 11:58:30 AM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 20, 2016, 11:40:33 AM

Quote from: demi on July 20, 2016, 10:55:02 AM
Who's saying it has a bad battle system?

Quote from: qq more on July 20, 2016, 11:24:21 AM
I don't think anyone's saying the battle system is bad.

Freyj, who I was applying to. Butt out.

Quote from: Freyj on July 19, 2016, 08:28:33 PM
worst system in any JRPG I can think of.

Whoopsss. Didn't see that, my bad man.

Quote from: demi on July 20, 2016, 11:55:54 AM

Oh, yea the EV IV shit is pretty terrible, no question

Wish they could revamp that shit wholesale already but I'm guessing that'd be rather difficult to do because there's so many mons you'd have to rebalance. I hope they find a really good solution even though that'll probably take them generations to do that.

Tasty · « **Reply #73 on:** July 20, 2016, 12:21:31 PM »

Hyper Training and Super Training/hordes take care of most of the complaints I think.

IVs aren't hardcoded from birth and can be increased to the max without breeding hundreds of eggs now.

EVs take 10-15 minutes to finish on a clean Pokemon.

The system in Sun/Moon is fine unless you believe you should get perfectly trained Pokemon for free and without putting any work in, in which case I'll respectfully disagree.

Freyj · « **Reply #74 on:** July 20, 2016, 12:28:08 PM »

The battle system is fine, that's not what I was talking about.

demi · « **Reply #75 on:** July 20, 2016, 12:30:46 PM »

The EV IV shit is for the spergs anyway. It has no bearing on the casual play.

Its like other RPG speedrunners who do "step manipulation" or "RNG manipulation" to pull off things.

qq more · « **Reply #76 on:** July 20, 2016, 01:28:06 PM »

Quote from: demi on July 20, 2016, 12:30:46 PM

The EV IV shit is for the spergs anyway. It has no bearing on the casual play.

Its like other RPG speedrunners who do "step manipulation" or "RNG manipulation" to pull off things.

Yeah, no denying that it doesn't affect casual play. I had thoughts of trying out competitive play but ehhhh I really do not have the time or patience to bother with the EV/IV shit. I'm more of a casual player anyways. I still can get by Red/Blue without telling much of a difference outside of a few things when it comes to battles.

qq more · « **Reply #77 on:** August 01, 2016, 10:53:16 AM »

he did it

hes a real palmtree now

i am so proud of him!!!

Tasty · « **Reply #78 on:** August 01, 2016, 12:06:56 PM »

That Vulpix

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #79 on:** August 01, 2016, 12:47:29 PM »

a lot of this stuff looks cool. mostly because its different. as someone who just dumped 50 hours in Y and just started OR, by the time this comes out I'll be interested in a new game with new shit.

Tasty · « **Reply #80 on:** August 01, 2016, 12:49:17 PM »

Final starter evos leaked: http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1256184

That fire dude

curly · « **Reply #81 on:** August 01, 2016, 12:52:53 PM »

I know who Boss Doggie's choosing

Aside from the

starters the designs this gen are pretty good

qq more · « **Reply #82 on:** August 01, 2016, 01:49:53 PM »

Rowlet's final evo looks boss though

Tasty · « **Reply #83 on:** August 11, 2016, 11:41:05 AM »

Don’t care for Alola Raichu but the new evil team looks awesome.

New Pokemon looking great too.

Tasty · « **Reply #84 on:** August 11, 2016, 04:52:12 PM »

thisismyusername · « **Reply #85 on:** August 18, 2016, 04:58:01 PM »

Ash stay losing.

Should've gone with Skarmory and the other 3-4 Pokemon everyone and their mother uses, maybe he'd win a league for once and be featured in a game.

archie4208 · « **Reply #86 on:** August 18, 2016, 05:03:50 PM »

20 years without a W has to take a toll on you.

Tasty · « **Reply #87 on:** August 18, 2016, 05:18:46 PM »

Animu thread is that way -> http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=37475.msg2174599#msg2174599

Keep this thread pure.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #88 on:** August 18, 2016, 10:26:09 PM »

That's 3ds? Looks really good. Kinda want this after go sucking so hard

Maybe I'll steal my stepsons copy of Y

Edit err guess he has x whatever

Tasty · « **Reply #89 on:** August 19, 2016, 02:30:33 PM »

Haunted sandcastle

thisismyusername · « **Reply #90 on:** August 20, 2016, 07:35:39 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 18, 2016, 05:18:46 PM

Keep this thread pure.

Pure, you say?

http://www.bilibili.com/video/av5811712/

Tasty · « **Reply #91 on:** August 21, 2016, 12:13:53 AM »

Those look like XY models so they check out.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #92 on:** August 21, 2016, 08:17:32 AM »

Didn't really matter about the models for me, I

-d to them being in sync and looking similar while doing it.

Tasty · « **Reply #93 on:** August 21, 2016, 01:54:21 PM »

https://vine.co/v/5Mpq6uJPd97

thisismyusername · « **Reply #94 on:** August 21, 2016, 10:42:09 PM »

Would be better without the clipping.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #95 on:** August 22, 2016, 02:45:12 PM »

Is the Alola form of a Pokemon some bullshit trigger like Mega Evolution or is it an actual new Pokemon with its own Pokedex entry?

Do they still have Mega Evolution in these games?

Tasty · « **Reply #96 on:** August 22, 2016, 02:55:59 PM »

It seems like there might be a Mega Evolution Dragonite but in general the feeling in the VGC seems to be Gamefreak is moving away from it and focusing on Z-Moves instead which might be easier to balance.

Alolan Pokemon presumably occupy the same Pokedex entry as their non-Alolan couterparts, but like Shellos' different forms it depends on where you catch them. In Shellos' case, pink Shellos were found in western Sinnoh and blue Shellos were found in the east. If you caught either of them it "counted" the same as far as your Pokedex was concerned.

Alolan versions of Pokemon are likely the only species found in the wild in Alola, and they appear to have different movesets and typings, but otherwise I think the Shellos comparison is accurate.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #97 on:** August 22, 2016, 05:24:51 PM »

So will existing Mega Evolutions be present in this game? Will you be able to get the stones to use those forms exist in this game? Will Alola Pokemon be obtainable in the future?

It seems weird to make gen-specific Pokemon, which is the way it seems to be going. They should have made the Mega Evolutions their own Pokedex entries so there would be some permanence to them.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #98 on:** August 22, 2016, 05:35:55 PM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 22, 2016, 05:24:51 PM

So will existing Mega Evolutions be present in this game? Will you be able to get the stones to use those forms exist in this game? Will Alola Pokemon be obtainable in the future?

It seems weird to make gen-specific Pokemon, which is the way it seems to be going. They should have made the Mega Evolutions their own Pokedex entries so there would be some permanence to them.

I don't see why they wouldn't. They made them. Same as the stupid "go to these specific stones to evolve Eevee" Grass and Fairy(?) evolutions in Gen 5.

Tasty · « **Reply #99 on:** August 22, 2016, 06:42:19 PM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 22, 2016, 05:24:51 PM

So will existing Mega Evolutions be present in this game? Will you be able to get the stones to use those forms exist in this game?

I would say probably.

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 22, 2016, 05:24:51 PM

Will Alola Pokemon be obtainable in the future?

I would say yes, but only via transferring from past games.

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 22, 2016, 05:24:51 PM

It seems weird to make gen-specific Pokemon, which is the way it seems to be going. They should have made the Mega Evolutions their own Pokedex entries so there would be some permanence to them.

TBH I don't know why they didn't do that, aside from the fact that #003 Venusaura and #645 Mega-Venusaur being so far apart might seem weird. Mega Evolutions in general seemed to always be a battle-specific concept, so I guess I don't have a problem with them not being outside of battles either.

Quote from: thisismyusername on August 22, 2016, 05:35:55 PM

I don't see why they wouldn't. They made them. Same as the stupid "go to these specific stones to evolve Eevee" Grass and Fairy(?) evolutions in Gen 5.

They always seem to try to ensure that past evolution paths are at least doable in new gens, even if the Pokemon used for them aren't available without transferring. See also: Rotom's forms (there's a place to change forms at-will in every single mainline game following Platinum even when Rotom wasn't available.)

Leafeon (Moss Rock) and Glaceon (Ice Rock) were Gen 4 btw, and Sylveon (Gen 6) evolves in a weird way involving a fairy type move and Pokemon-Amie stuff.

Tasty · « **Reply #100 on:** August 24, 2016, 12:32:42 PM »

http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2016/8/24/12623290/dragon-dance-charizard-dragonite-videos-twitter-pokemon

thisismyusername · « **Reply #101 on:** August 24, 2016, 07:37:22 PM »

They seriously need to make a mode in the next one that lets you do this.

Tasty · « **Reply #102 on:** August 25, 2016, 12:05:06 AM »

Pokemon Amie but with Elite Beat Agents mechanics? I'd be so fucking game.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #103 on:** August 29, 2016, 08:41:57 PM »

Andy: What's the GTS spoof software for Gen-4/5 now? The one I'm using apparently can't be used on my 2DS because it says the Wifi service is shutdown now or something?

Tasty · « **Reply #104 on:** August 30, 2016, 03:14:09 AM »

I'm not a cheating fraud so I have no idea what you're talking about.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #105 on:** August 31, 2016, 12:14:09 AM »

Guess I should just finish the Elite 4 in Black 2 instead of trying to finish the Pokedex.

Everything I'm looking at shows that method is dead since apparently it needed to ping Nintendo servers which is crazy to me since the method DNS'd to another server.

Tasty · « **Reply #106 on:** September 03, 2016, 02:46:34 AM »

http://kotaku.com/the-internet-reacts-to-pokemon-sun-and-moons-new-snorla-1786096038

archie4208 · « **Reply #107 on:** September 03, 2016, 07:31:17 AM »

Snorlax

archie4208 · « **Reply #108 on:** September 06, 2016, 10:21:52 AM »

Fat Raticate.

Tasty · « **Reply #109 on:** September 06, 2016, 01:29:40 PM »

https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/773195075681681408

Tasty · « **Reply #110 on:** September 07, 2016, 09:19:25 AM »

Young gay love is so precious

archie4208 · « **Reply #111 on:** October 04, 2016, 09:24:29 AM »

You can pet your Pokemon.

Tasty · « **Reply #112 on:** October 04, 2016, 09:32:34 AM »

Owl looks chill as fuck. Might be my first grass starter in... ever.

Tasty · « **Reply #113 on:** October 04, 2016, 09:38:52 AM »

Beast part of that trailer: Poke Pelago is like Hunters for Hire from Monster Hunter, just with box Pokemon.

Tasty · « **Reply #114 on:** October 18, 2016, 03:35:19 PM »

Special Demo Version is out today!

Tasty · « **Reply #115 on:** October 18, 2016, 04:48:26 PM »

Lots of stuff has been datamined from the demo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Entire Alola Regional Dex: http://i.imgur.com/0g4drUf.jpg

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archie4208 · « **Reply #116 on:** October 18, 2016, 08:17:02 PM »

Yep it's Pokemon alright.

The presentation is slick af though.

Your Stalker · « **Reply #117 on:** October 18, 2016, 08:29:17 PM »

how long is the demo

archie4208 · « **Reply #118 on:** October 18, 2016, 08:33:55 PM »

Like 20 minutes. There's a postgame area where you can catch Pokemon though.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #119 on:** October 19, 2016, 12:23:29 AM »

Quote from: archie4208 on October 18, 2016, 08:33:55 PM

Like 20 minutes. There's a postgame area where you can catch Pokemon though.

That you don't keep, but you get a Nugget to send to the full game from if you do 3 catches and then end it.

If you do 3 Battles, you get an item in the same area as well.

There's a girl near a couple Slowpokes down the road that'll have you ride a Tauros to break rocks and get another item to send to the main game.

There's day events, but those aren't happening yet.

I gotta say, outside of the

-tastic anti-aliasing the presentation is nice. I started up X like a week ago, but Aloha region is farrrrr more engaging just from the short time here alone.

News:

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Author Topic: Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon (Read 33677 times)