Playstation Meeting Thread

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Watch the future live RIGHT NOW

[demi]

New hardware and you still can't change your gamertag

[bork]

PS Slim reveal that everyone knew about.

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I resurrected Borys

PS4 Pro

How can it be beaten by Scorpio since its not out Borys

mysl bracie mysl

[bork]

PS4 Bro, bruhs

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No SSD 

How is PS4 Pro going to do 4k gaming on a boosted mobile CPU and a so so gpu?

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on drugs prob

[bork]

So...don't have a 4K TV- doesn't matter, is what I'm getting so far.

OK, money saved.

[tiesto]

I do like Cerny's talk so far, calm and technical.

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Gonna buy a 4K tv for this prob

So...don't have a 4K TV- doesn't matter, is what I'm getting so far.

OK, money saved.

Don't sound like Nintendo fans in 2006 man, I bought an HDTV for my Xbox and it was worth it.

[Brehvolution]

It was nice of them to wait until the Apple event was over. 

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It looks better so it's already enough Borys. For people that care.

It was nice of them to wait until the Apple event was over. 

Well they know their place

[bork]

Without seeing side by side comparisons, I can't tell the difference.

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Yeah it's a bit flawed taunting 4k when 90% of people are watching this on 1080p max.

[bork]

Gonna buy a 4K tv for this prob

So...don't have a 4K TV- doesn't matter, is what I'm getting so far.

OK, money saved.

Don't sound like Nintendo fans in 2006 man, I bought an HDTV for my Xbox and it was worth it.

I'm not gonna buy a 4K TV for a minor visual bump.    I'll replace my good ol' 1080P set when it finally breaks.  For gaming, I use monitors.  I have an ultra-wide and a regular monitor, both are 1080P and were purchased for the low input lag, something that is a problem on 4K TVs.  If a good "gaming" 4K monitor comes along for a good price, sure, will bite- but right now those are like $1,000+.

[bork]

HIS MIC'S NOT ON?

HIS MIC'S NOT ON!

[demi]

I got a chub at that whispering

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"4k"

*1440p upscaled guise

This is pretty much it because everyone knows PS4 PRO can't do 4k.

I mean you'd need a 1060 GTX at least to do it on medium settings native.

[mormapope]

Gonna buy a 4K tv for this prob

So...don't have a 4K TV- doesn't matter, is what I'm getting so far.

OK, money saved.

Don't sound like Nintendo fans in 2006 man, I bought an HDTV for my Xbox and it was worth it.

I'm not gonna buy a 4K TV for a minor visual bump.    I'll replace my good ol' 1080P set when it finally breaks.  For gaming, I use monitors.  I have an ultra-wide and a regular monitor, both are 1080P and were purchased for the low input lag, something that is a problem on 4K TVs.  If a good "gaming" 4K monitor comes along for a good price, sure, will bite- but right now those are like $1,000+.

To add to this, something being rendered in 4K is a lot more noticeable and impressive compared to 4K output. And we're nowhere close to 4K being the norm for rendering.

[bork]

Yeah it's a bit flawed taunting 4k when 90% of people are watching this on 1080p max.

Does the stream even go beyond 1080P? 

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Bleeeeh now that I keep thinking about it it would be cheaper to build a 4K gaming rig and a good monitor then buying a decent 4K tv with low input lag.

Yeah it's a bit flawed taunting 4k when 90% of people are watching this on 1080p max.

Does the stream even go beyond 1080P? 

No, they said that after the conf you can download videos in 4K. 

[archie4208]

I'm gonna get a PS4 slim and a Volta card next year.

Fuck the Pro.

[Joe Molotov]

Is this thread PS Grindr? Can I swipe left on people?

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I dunno lads, this kind makes me want to build a PC.

Dunno.

Good 4K tv is near 2000 bucks.

I can build a mini itx with and i5 and 1070 + get a 4k monitor for less.

[tiesto]

This didgeridoo track is the best thing yet from the panel. Overall a

[demi]

The slim is the "new" PS4 model. They are phasing out the older units.

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Sony did it all wrong imho, think they should have just stealth launched a PS4K and label it : the PS4 for 4K tv owners. Not push it as some big thing, cause it really isn't, is it.

[bork]

That was a waste of time.

When is it not?

[Brehvolution]

"4k"

*1440p upscaled guise

4Kinda

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I didn't make that up

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[demi]

Shadow of Mordor is such an odd choice to promote

[tiesto]

It's funny how the shitty Mario endless runner for mobile, with its reused NSMB assets that probably cost pennies to make turned out to be a much bigger announcement than this conference.

Hopefully at least Sony's TGS show has some good announcements.

[demi]

PS4 Pro apparently does not support 4k Blus

https://twitter.com/StuffTV/status/773609999381790720

[archie4208]

Mayhaps Cerny platinumed it

A boring game for a boring personality.

Perfect fit.

[demi]

I'd let Mark Cerny talk to me while exploring my insides with his fingers

[bork]

PS4 Pro has now been confirmed to NOT support 4K blu-ray. Just streaming.

lmao.

[thisismyusername]

New hardware and you still can't change your gamertag

Plus a $10 price-hike to play online and you still can't change your tag.

So...don't have a 4K TV- doesn't matter, is what I'm getting so far.

OK, money saved.

Unless you're looking to supersample/downsample on PC, even on PC it's a "two or so year on" tech right now. Anyone buying into 4K for gaming right now is dumb or stupidly rich. Especially on consoles. Why would developers cut themselves off at the knees with a split user-base?

[benjipwns]

For some reason the added third bar to the design amuses me like when they stick another bun in the middle of a sandwich:

[benjipwns]

the new [slim] PS4 rocks a wee bit when laid down flat on a table. Only some of the square, triangle, circle, and cross symbols that adorn the bottom of the console are raised up and made of rubber.

what

[AdmiralViscen]

How the fuck does this not play 4K blu ray

[benjipwns]

I assume they're using the same drives?

Microsoft said they couldn't software patch it in, the S has a new drive to allow for it.

[Trent Dole]

For some reason the added third bar to the design amuses me like when they stick another bun in the middle of a sandwich:
(Image removed from quote.)

[bluemax]

"4k"

*1440p upscaled guise

I think the Framebuffer is bigger than that, but I'd have to double check. Either way this whole thing is a minor bump in visual fidelity really. PSVR is where Sony is really spending the money.

[mormapope]

"4k"

*1440p upscaled guise

I think the Framebuffer is bigger than that, but I'd have to double check. Either way this whole thing is a minor bump in visual fidelity really. PSVR is where Sony is really spending the money.

They're gambling on a concept that the niche, evangelical VR audience have given up on?

Microsoft being the sole survivor of console manufacturing in 2020 would be a sight to behold.

[bluemax]

"4k"

*1440p upscaled guise

I think the Framebuffer is bigger than that, but I'd have to double check. Either way this whole thing is a minor bump in visual fidelity really. PSVR is where Sony is really spending the money.

They're gambling on a concept that the niche, evangelical VR audience have given up on?

Microsoft being the sole survivor of console manufacturing in 2020 would be a sight to behold.

I wouldn't say the evangelicals have fully given up on it, but yeah they are getting there and yeah Sony's big holiday push is going to be all about PSVR

They debuted a new bundle for it at the HK version of today's conference:

[Bebpo]

"4k"

*1440p upscaled guise

I think the Framebuffer is bigger than that, but I'd have to double check. Either way this whole thing is a minor bump in visual fidelity really. PSVR is where Sony is really spending the money.

They're gambling on a concept that the niche, evangelical VR audience have given up on?

Microsoft being the sole survivor of console manufacturing in 2020 would be a sight to behold.

VR's still really amazing but I'm waiting for it to become mainstream before caring again. 

[mormapope]

 

PSVR doesn't and can't fix the biggest issue with VR, it completely constricts and suffocates natural awareness and ability in the name of very simple immersion. Can't text, eat, drink, talk to someone face to face.

Even when technology improves, AR is a lot more likely to be a hit than VR, mainly due to practicality and not losing nearly as much natural awareness or ability.

[benjipwns]

remember how Microsoft was entering this gen with a focus on pushing Kinect and streaming crap and being an all-in-one box of some kind which let Sony get the hardware leg up because they went simpler as part of getting their shit together after last gen and then at the last minute MS upped the clocks to try and close the gap

now this reads like the Pro was designed really to push PSVR, MS heard "PS4K" and went "oh shit" and wound up with the S (to get 4K support out early...and sounds like an absurdly well designed piece of hardware) and Scorpio (which is going to be overkill, especially with these things all supposed to be running the same software semi-compatibility)

[benjipwns]

Should have called them New PS4 and New PS4 Pro.

[bluemax]

In this day and age where only a fraction of developers can afford to make engines capable of doing 4K and the rest of us are in the Unity Ghetto (which does support PS4 Pro to a degree already) focusing half your strategy on even higher end graphics and performance is an incredibly silly idea.

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Day later this thing doesn't do it for me.

Not going to upgrade my great low input lag Sony 8 Series tv to a 2000 euro 4K tv with worse input lag just to play upscaled 1440p games.

[archnemesis]

I'm not sold on it either. If it is capable of pushing the performance if first-party games from 30 to 60 FPS then I might get one, but I don't think that is likely to happen.

The new peripherals are nice though. If my launch PS4 ever breaks then I'll replace it with a PS4Pro.

[benjipwns]

Not going to upgrade my great low input lag Sony 8 Series tv to a 2000 euro 4K tv with worse input lag just to play upscaled 1440p games.

IIRC, DF said that Sony is recommending 1800p upscaled over 1440p, though they don't think it'll be able to do it well. And that even 1440p is a stretch. Their reference card simulation couldn't do both resolution and settings bumps in basically every game.

Also, that the design documents allow 1080p minimum, which is more likely. Especially with some of the newer methods of temporarily halving the resolution and such.

[benjipwns]

only standard is 1080p with framerate same or better than PS4

[benjipwns]

vertonical1 month ago
I really don't understand the hype around Scorpio.     It's going to be a $1000 console and here's why:
1. It's made by Microsoft. Microsoft's no.1 priority is making money first and then come the customers. So knowing  MS they will charge an extra $200 profit per console.
2. Do the distinguished mentally-challenged fellow's here actually know the cost of a 4k@60fps gpu. FYI it's the gtx 1080 for $700 and even that can't achieve 60hz at 4k.
3. Any half witted person can see, that for the price you buy a Scorpio, it's better and more  cost effective to build a gtx 1080 powered gaming PC for less
3. Very few people can afford to blow a 1000 dollars on a console. So Sony is actually being smart by keeping the specs and hence price reasonable and targeting the mainstream market market who can afford to spend, at the most $500 on a new console. It's a similar move to amd's rx 480 focusing on the budget side while delivering a premium gaming experience. These moves will pay dividends for both.
4. All xbox games are playable on PC.
5. PS4'S exclusive library is literally UNMATCHED. It contains some of the best games ever. A PS4 is worth buying for its exclusives alone.

So Finally, Outcome?
Sony WINS AGAIN.

lol xbots pwned

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Scorpio is dumb for so many other reasons then PS4 Pro, the main one being that all MS games are on PC now so there is not point in owning one unless they sell it without Windows tax/MS tax at cost price.

[a slime appears]

Minor spec bump and Sony was completely blindsided by Scorpio. They didn't anticipate Microsoft starting the next console generation so early.

This will probably end up being a dud once people realize most games just won't be native 4K.

[Bebpo]

Put in my pre-order.  Realize I don't even care about it until I play another PS4 game, and that's not all that often.  Pretty much just buying it to have for FFXV in November since the game apparently runs like shit right now on regular PS4, so maybe it'll be more stable on PS4P.

[thisismyusername]

so maybe it'll be more stable on PS4P.

It's Square, so I don't buy that.

[Take My Breh Away]

Scorpio will be for people that don't want to mess around with a PC. There's still a market for that. Not sure if its a market interested in a MS console though.

I'm curious about the Scorpio, but more likely to just get a gaming rig.

Beside, Horizon, which looks like it could be great, there isn't a single Sony exclusive I can bring myself to care about.

This gen showed that casual crowd wants the benefits of PC gaming with the convenience of a console. Fallout 4 mods was a pretty big deal for them. If MS made Scorpio into a product that straddles the line between PC customisation and Console accessability without being completely rancid shit like the Steambox. Then they can make something really appealing to the crowd that doesn't want the maintenance and fucking around that goes into PC gaming but also let the hardcore PC grognards buy their games on PC. 

But then the day MS announces "Halo MCC Collection is now available in Windows Store" is the day where every Linux user sells out and moves to proprietary software. PC gamers lust for Halo. 

The PS4 Pro feels like a missed opportunity to bridge that same gap Microsoft are nosing into and also managed to piss off a lot of people who now realized Sony's upgrade train and walled garden doesn't sound as nice as they thought it did back in April. 

[thisismyusername]

But then the day MS announces "Halo MCC Collection is now available in Windows Store"

We'll see if Halo 5: Forge is a success. For me, I'm downloading it right now to see the performance, but UWP apps have burned me with how it changes configurations or has weird performance issues to where I've sworn off buying anything from the Windows store (as if I ever did  ) forever.

People could just play Halo: Online illegally right now if they don't want to deal with Halo 5's changes or UWP. So if folks are REALLY dying for that, they can port it to Linux maybe as well. But the major stumbling block will be the Windows Store. Quantum Break only had like... what... 5K sales?