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The Last Guardian delayed to December
« on: September 12, 2016, 09:05:16 AM »
Have you sold your PS4 yet? Is there anything coming out for this platform?
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2016, 09:08:20 AM »
Exist Archive and World of FF
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2016, 09:09:50 AM »
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2016, 09:27:27 AM »
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2016, 10:27:33 AM »
Exist Archive and World of FF

Can't wait to buy both on the Vita. :lawd
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2016, 10:47:22 AM »
who didn't see this coming

also let's talk about world of final fantasy bc I'm really hoping that game will be balls out amazing
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2016, 10:47:59 AM »
Vita having more games to play on it than PS4
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2016, 11:05:18 AM »
but no one wants to play d tier rpgs with pedo shit
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2016, 11:09:25 AM »
I can have that AND World of Final Fantasy

That feel when you're on the right side of history :aah
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2016, 11:10:21 AM »
All joking aside they only delayed it a couple months, they should be able to keep their date this time.
I heard the press saw more of the game last E3... I'm curious to see what the final product will be like.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2016, 11:45:23 AM »
Brutal from Metacritic  :lol

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2016, 11:49:48 AM »
If you actually wanted to play this, you should probably be shot anyway
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2016, 11:50:06 AM »
who didn't see this coming

also let's talk about world of final fantasy bc I'm really hoping that game will be balls out amazing

World of FF looks adorable and it's great it's gonna have an ATB system in place, but I'm a bit worried from some earlier videos that the pace of the battles look slow and the encounter rate looks steep. Supposedly they're working on speeding it up, I hope that's the case when the game releases. Still think it'll end up being better than 15...
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2016, 11:56:25 AM »
If you actually wanted to play this, you should probably be shot anyway
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2016, 12:07:56 PM »
If you actually wanted to play this, you should probably be shot anyway
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It's not my fault you have shit taste and would rather feel than actually play a game

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2016, 12:17:13 PM »
Keep fucking that chicken. :ufup

You being an acerbic cunt just reminded me of something: where the fuck is Walrus?

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2016, 01:53:48 PM »
It's alright. I will be busy with Civ 6 in October.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2016, 02:04:46 PM »
If you actually wanted to play this, you should probably be shot anyway
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It's not my fault you have shit taste and would rather feel than actually play a game

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"It's not my fault you'd rather feel than play a game" sounds like a mid aughts emo song

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2016, 03:47:10 PM »
Keep fucking that chicken. :ufup

You being an acerbic cunt just reminded me of something: where the fuck is Walrus?

I think he had some life shit come up. Happens to all of us.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2016, 04:03:33 PM »
Nice, more time to spend with Dragon Quest Builders

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2016, 12:44:30 AM »
If you actually wanted to play this, you should probably be shot anyway
Dude's not wrong :yeshrug

I mean it's like they wanted to combine SotC and Ico and took out all the cool stuff from SotC and just made it Ico with a pet.
Seems like a step backwards covered up with a coat of emotionally hamfisted manipulation paint.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2016, 12:46:25 AM »
If you actually wanted to play this, you should probably be shot anyway
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It's not my fault you have shit taste and would rather feel than actually play a game

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"It's not my fault you'd rather feel than play a game" sounds like a mid aughts emo song

I'm pretty sure that was on Fallout Boy's 6th studio album.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2016, 01:22:54 AM »
>Implying this game actually exists
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2016, 06:18:48 AM »
If you actually wanted to play this, you should probably be shot anyway
Dude's not wrong :yeshrug

I mean it's like they wanted to combine SotC and Ico and took out all the cool stuff from SotC and just made it Ico with a pet.
Seems like a step backwards covered up with a coat of emotionally hamfisted manipulation paint.
You'll be solving puzzles with the help of the cat-bird thing. I don't know where you two get the non-game nonsense from.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2016, 06:29:34 AM »
I haven't even played Ico or Sotc but this looks kind of cool

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2016, 06:50:09 AM »
I haven't even played Ico or Sotc but this looks kind of cool
They're both fantastic games. Maybe you can find the PS3 collection for cheap.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2016, 03:29:39 PM »
If you actually wanted to play this, you should probably be shot anyway
Dude's not wrong :yeshrug

I mean it's like they wanted to combine SotC and Ico and took out all the cool stuff from SotC and just made it Ico with a pet.
Seems like a step backwards covered up with a coat of emotionally hamfisted manipulation paint.
You'll be solving puzzles with the help of the cat-bird thing. I don't know where you two get the non-game nonsense from.
Ahem, didn't say it wasn't a game. I said it was a step backwards glossed in emotionally manipulative paint. :snob
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2016, 05:49:21 PM »
Okay, let me correct myself: it's an asspull. You're suggesting it's somehow lesser than it's predecessors and loosely connecting that to the very likely pulling on the hearstrings they will do. If anything, you should have pointed at the endless dev cycle. :larry

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2016, 08:11:07 PM »
Yeah, time has deflated my excititement considerably. I was intent on buying a PS3 just to play it. :sabu

Very much not in the mood to buy a PS4 any time soon, certainly not in time for TLG's release. Maybe when P5 is out. Can't think of any other (console) exclusives I'd want to play on it. :doge

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2016, 10:37:04 AM »
It's going to be a lot more like the shitty Ico than the awesome SotC from what I've seen, and that's enough for me to not want to play it.

Plus it's been so long that any curiosity I might have had for it has evaporated.
Yeah, that's the main thing. I was all about this game until I started seeing the gameplay footage. I was like "Oh....it's Ico....but with a cat/griffin thing....All this time and that's it?" That plus the insanely long dev cycle and the dev drama. Nah, I'm good.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2016, 02:13:11 PM »
I just wanted Shadow of the Colossus 2. I was never big on Team Ico's games. I get the art crowd appeal and yes I thought Shadow looked cool, but the reason I liked that game was because of the music, scale, and the fact you were climbing giant ass things. Story and whatever never did much for me.

The scale of this looks cool, but I doubt it's what I'm looking for.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2016, 09:01:53 PM »
I wonder if Fumito Ueda will have a career in the game industry once Last Guardian comes out. No snark, genuine curiosity because right now it looks like a toss up.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2016, 09:42:36 PM »
His next game will be iOS. Bank on it.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2016, 10:44:21 PM »
Think you mean his next game will be announced for iOS.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2016, 12:12:44 AM »
I'm dying to know what caused this game to take so damn long to make. I'm hoping it'll be good but it seems like every single other game I've been looking forward to has been a disappointment lately, so...
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2016, 12:48:58 AM »
I'm dying to know what caused this game to take so damn long to make. I'm hoping it'll be good but it seems like every single other game I've been looking forward to has been a disappointment lately, so...

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2016, 01:17:13 AM »
I'm dying to know what caused this game to take so damn long to make. I'm hoping it'll be good but it seems like every single other game I've been looking forward to has been a disappointment lately, so...

It takes time to add feels, please understand
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2016, 01:24:51 AM »
I'm dying to know what caused this game to take so damn long to make. I'm hoping it'll be good but it seems like every single other game I've been looking forward to has been a disappointment lately, so...

I assume some combination of poor project management, lack of clear direction, conflicts between artistic direction and technology. They probably scrapped so much programming effort for a variety of reasons. I've also heard Sony shelved the project a few times and had the tech team assist with other projects. Still I'd kill to read post mortems for this and FFXV.

I mean SotC only ended up as a fragment of the original concept for a lot of the same reasons.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2016, 02:27:20 AM »
I'm dying to know what caused this game to take so damn long to make. I'm hoping it'll be good but it seems like every single other game I've been looking forward to has been a disappointment lately, so...

It takes time to add feels, please understand

only nintendo can add feels and whimsy in 6 month projects

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2016, 07:50:20 AM »
Wasn't Last Guardian originally due out in 2007?
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2016, 07:54:38 AM »
It has been in development, on and off, since 2007. Even if it everything had gone according to plan it would probably not have been out until later. Ico was released in 2001, Shadow of the Colussus in 2005.

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« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2016, 07:58:29 AM »
Ah thats right, I remember reading articles during the apex of PS3 vs. 360 (2008-11) about how sick the software was gonna be when it finally came out. Goddamn if that aint some dev hell :(
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2016, 08:08:02 AM »
There was a piece of concept art that leaked early and the game has been heavily discussed since 2007. Even when it was formally announced people were acting like it should have been released years earlier. The developing process might have been easier without the additional pressure from impatient fans.

Or maybe they just had technical or management issues.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2016, 08:23:01 AM »
lol @ nerbos on internet having any impact on a game's development time.

If the dude could marinate on a concept for 9 years the game must be pretty sizzlin'
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2016, 09:00:14 AM »
Think it was a prestige project for SCEJ and thats why it was allowed to go on and on and on.

Thankfully they brought in someone that has reshaped that division, since their output since PS3 has been absymal.

After the astronomical success they probably got free reigns etc.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2016, 12:36:44 PM »
The game was supposed to be released by end 2011 initially, there was the expected ramp up and presentations, then went into limbo with Ueda and a couple of producers leaving in the two years after that (Ueda is only an outside "consultant" on the game now and said in an interview a few years ago that he finished his part of the work). We don't know what happened but it certainly seemed it was shelved for a time or barely worked on.

French outlet Gamekult played a demo at the TGS and they're underwhelmed after playing only 5 rooms : framerate drops, bad camera and they say the gameplay feels a bit dated and the game felt vague about telling you what you must do.

Apparently the whole deal is that you climb on the beast and indirectly control it (jump on its head = it will swing it) to explore and I guess progress so there's quite a bit of "lag" and inertia built in, which may or may not be enjoyable. It lacks polish.
I guess more previews will come.

EDIT : Well, Polygon apparently have some concerns too...

http://www.polygon.com/2016/9/15/12914554/last-guardian-gameplay-video-tgs-demo-hands-on

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It feels like a PlayStation 2 game. I love a lot of PlayStation 2 games, but in the decade-plus since that was my console of choice, I've grown used to such novelties as responsive character movement and a camera that isn't shitty.

It's not all bad, but I guess it shows that stuff was designed wayyyyyy back then.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2016, 01:27:21 PM »
I think even if they had started only three or four years ago, the controls would still be the way they are because Ueda has a raging hard-on for realistic animations, especially momentum.

European reviews of SotC were much harsher on it, for exactly the same reason.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2016, 02:08:36 PM »
it kind of looks like its a ps2 game somehow too in its design/concept etc

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2016, 03:42:03 PM »
it kind of looks like its a ps2 game somehow too in its design/concept etc

For me at least, that's a good thing.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2016, 03:50:01 PM »
I never had an issue with the controls in Ico or Shadows of the Colossus. It was part of their identity. Camera issues could be annoying though.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2016, 03:55:20 PM »
PS4 needs its ReCore too

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2016, 04:27:12 PM »
It was originally Secret PS3 Game.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2016, 07:36:09 PM »
On the front of issues.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/15/12925548/the-last-guardian-tgs-2016-preview

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And at one point in my demo, even the developers themselves couldn’t work out why Trico wasn’t behaving the way he was supposed to in order to solve a puzzle. The eventual solution was obscure and unconnected to the puzzle itself, which doesn’t quite bode well for the final release — not being able to solve a puzzle when you know what to do suggests that The Last Guardian’s unpredictability may occasionally work against it.

I have a feeling the game will be mostly OK overall and fine for most Ueda fans though.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2016, 02:36:19 AM »
I'm still gonna play it, but yeah I expect a lot of people to hate on it. Shrug.

Ueda definitely has some interesting ideas about game design but I think he really needs a strong producer or someone who can rein him in, I don't think he gets another big budget after this though.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2016, 08:55:27 AM »
There was a piece of concept art that leaked early and the game has been heavily discussed since 2007. Even when it was formally announced people were acting like it should have been released years earlier. The developing process might have been easier without the additional pressure from impatient fans.

Or maybe they just had technical or management issues.

The game has been in development since 2005. That concept art leak you're referencing was a Feb 2007 Famitsu ad showing art from an earlier design. Team ICO started initial Pre-prod sometime in late 2005 and since then the game has been on/off development for 11 years!

The silver lining is Square Enix still takes the cake the crown for longest Japanese dev hell with FFXV. Which I think is slightly longer, albeit by like half a year. :lol
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2016, 11:31:35 AM »
i wonder if this game is gonna get savaged in reviews
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2016, 06:04:00 PM »
Could go either way. Press loves previous Team Ico shit and arty stuff in general, but the delays and NMS backlash may make them a bit hesitant to heap too much praise.
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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2016, 11:16:25 PM »
I'm still amazed that Ueda quit five years ago.

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Re: The Last Guardian delayed to December
« Reply #59 on: September 18, 2016, 05:52:21 AM »
I'm still amazed that Ueda quit five years ago.
It was so cringey when he stood up for his applause one or two E3 press conferences ago.