VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[Rufus]

Did EviLore ever post on The Bore?

Yes, in a previous iteration of this thread no less. Everyone was well behaved. Someone might have a link.

[Shuri]

Moral Outrage = Clicks = $$$$

Sometimes I wonder if that's why Evilore has let things turn that way. I was looking at the gaming section last week, and all the scandalous gaming-side moral outrage stuff was getting far more views than actual gaming discussion.

Now Stump is airing people's ban reasons in that "thoughts about neogaf" thread. That's a good way to shut down any questions or negative opinions about moderation. By airing the bans reasons, posters end up on shitlists from the various  cliques. If those guys end up getting into something heated, some guy is gonna go "THIS ISNT THE FIRST TIME HE HAS POSTED ABOUT THIS HMM HMM" and link to stump's post.

[helios]

Nerds mad about Samurai Jack getting preempted by Rick and Morty

[Kara]

I was too.

I still can.

Funny how shitposters and people who catch feels about video games end up banned from a forum that's moderated, isn't it?

[clothedmacuser]

Your true thoughts on NeoGAF

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1357183&page=10



Locked thread

Has NEOGAF shaped your political affiliations?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1179425

Read that thread to see how displeased members are. 

edit: the banned members, lol

[Let's Cyber]

Still having your original account active and zero bans.

 

[Jansen]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1357360

[nudemacusers]

Still having your original account active and zero bans.

 

A man gets banned. And he does it even when he’s not appreciated, or respected, or even loved. He simply bears up and he does it. Because he’s a man.

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=233200901&postcount=34

Because a writer writing things while totally coked out of their minds == actually being the thing you're accusing them of.

[Let's Cyber]

mac you're providing a public service. I don't begrudge someone eating a few bans for the greater good.

Many of us don't have the courage to walk on the wild side but we can still appreciate the ones that do. 

[Great Rumbler]

So, how long before a new thread pops up about the shocking discovery that Lovecraft was a racist?

[counterhit]

Reading this thread 213372bu made
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1357356

I don't understand why telecommunication corporations haven't used the angle of "we'll punish the online racists, like reddit and pewdiepie" to get younger folks to abandon their net neutrality stance.

[samfish]

Moral Outrage = Clicks = $$$$

Sometimes I wonder if that's why Evilore has let things turn that way. I was looking at the gaming section last week, and all the scandalous gaming-side moral outrage stuff was getting far more views than actual gaming discussion.

That's exactly why he's let it happen. The whole social justice / moral outrage movement is being powered by click bait desperation. It works so well because so much of it is very fundamental and black and white. Men vs women, black vs white, etc. It naturally divides people by making them almost reflexively say, "hey, I'm a gay person / white person / woman, they must be talking shit about me by association!" It sucks people in real easily. Its literally what replaced the whole, "you'll never believe what happened next" click bait from a few years ago. Pitting people against each other is just too easy and profitable.
That there are so many people who will gladly hop on a high horse and ride around on it because it makes me feel superior is why killing this movement is going to be harder, unfortunately.

It doesn't help matters that the audience GAF attracts is generally coveted by advertisers. Those types will promote your producti for free and gladly do so. Although from what I can tell (I've worked in digital advertising for almost 10 years), they've lost a lot of clout in the 6-7 months or so but are still valuable. So Evi's cash cow wil probably still be pumping out marginally drinkable milk for a little longer.

[Kara]

So, how long before a new thread pops up about the shocking discovery that Lovecraft was a racist?

He loved his craft, it's just that his craft was racism filtered through thinly veiled metaphors for modernity.

[El Babua]

/b/ Neogaf was never good

[parallax]

Did EviLore ever post on The Bore?

Yes, in a previous iteration of this thread no less. Everyone was well behaved. Someone might have a link.

like a bunch of small yappy dogs. incredibly bitchmade

[Rman]

Did EviLore ever post on The Bore?

Yes, in a previous iteration of this thread no less. Everyone was well behaved. Someone might have a link.

like a bunch of small yappy dogs. incredibly bitchmade

Never had a problem with Lore. He's s business owner. 

Making fun of the posters in his forum is another story. Heck I have a active account and behave there as well.

[WanderingWind]

Yeah, I got no beef with Lore. It's his site. Don't like it? Move on. Some of the mods are a different story. Powertrips are always ugly, even more so when its in regards to such an inconsequential amount of "authority." Some of them seem alright, but honestly, with the lack of accountability and cowardice inherent in the way they utilize their mod tools, it's impossible to know the good from the bad. But Lore? He's making money off doing jackshit. Can't knock the hustle.

[counterhit]

I agree with the point that you should treat site owners as "take it or leave it", but Lore does come across as pathetic whenever he decides to defend his honor by nuking accounts (a step beyond just banning them) over minor jabs. Occasionally defending said honor seems to be the primary form of interactivity as a user of the forum/community he runs (this is a saving grace). There's a lot for him to defend, because his narcissism has led to him saying some real cringe-worthy PUA shit over the years (and he knows it, because there are plenty of zero-tolerance topics for him). On the other hand, at least he's on same wavelength as the average adult, something you can't say for Lime-style posters and the mods who enable them. Still don't see how you can exclude him from any sort of "power trip" critique, especially since the posters act like idolaters around him. Ideological power trips vs. narcissistic power trips, pick your poison. Unless it's Bish, where you got an overdosing combination of both. Bish's absence is a pretty big improvement for the forum and the type of people who want to pull the forum down into an ideological hell often vocally lament it for a reason.

[octopushover]

lore is a pathetic child wearing shoes 3 times too big for him and he is absolutely terrified that the only community of people he has control over will find out

if you can make fun of people careposting on gaf, you can make fun of king careposter

[WanderingWind]

Didn't say otherwise. I just personally don't have any issue with him. I think there is a big delineation between "this is my house, these are my rules" and "this isn't my house, this isn't my job, I don't have any oversight, I don't ever have to take responsibility for my actions, I take things super serious until I don't want to then I fall back on 'mods aren't paid lol this shit isn't my job'" type of mods. Sure, the head dude takes ultimate responsibility for that, but at least he has financial reasons for doing what he does. The mods who post snarky ban messages, plan in secret to ban posters they personally don't like and hide behind ModBot and are generally shitty human beings have no such excuses.

Example: I don't like many politicians, but I understand why they do what they do. I don't condone it, but I understand. Their toadies who are content to be lickspittles and pretend other's shine belongs to them? I don't understand them whatsoever and I have even less respect for them.

[agrajag]

mods help

[Boredfrom]

I was too.

I still can.

Funny how shitposters and people who catch feels about video games end up banned from a forum that's moderated, isn't it?

If it was only shitposters, you will not have the lower numbers that the forum currently gets. I sure as hell I was not a shitposter but I got banned anyway.

Yeah, I got no beef with Lore. It's his site. Don't like it? Move on. Some of the mods are a different story. Powertrips are always ugly, even more so when its in regards to such an inconsequential amount of "authority." Some of them seem alright, but honestly, with the lack of accountability and cowardice inherent in the way they utilize their mod tools, it's impossible to know the good from the bad. But Lore? He's making money off doing jackshit. Can't knock the hustle.

Nah, Lore has done some shitty stuff. Is his forum but he has acted like an ass with regular posters and how transparent is his need of validation at times.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

EviLore just sees GAF as his fief and the members as the lowly servants tilling the soil for clicks.  It's why he keeps pushing invasive ads on the site even though people have been complaining for the past several years.  He truly doesn't give a shit about people's experience, just about how much money and e-fame he can get from being the owner of an elite gaming forum such as NeoGAF.

[WanderingWind]

I'm sorry, did we just have a disagreement without histrionics and moralistic posturing?  That's not how this is supposed to work. Somebody get pissy. NOW.

[railGUN]

I'm of the opinion that if you run a large, popular website that receives (millions?) of visitors, then you bear some responsibility for the ads you place on your site and the effect those ads might have on your users.

EviLore lets malicious ads run rampant on his site, for days, weeks, even months at a time and does nothing to address it. That makes him a shitty person and a terrible website owner, IMO.

[Averon]

NeoGAF is a money making business for 'Lore first and foremost. Everything else--including user experience--is a distant, distant secondary concern to that. The shitty ad situation that never seems to be addressed should have made that clear. Why so many think GAF is anything other than an ad revenue pit for 'Lore is a mystery to me.

That so many allow themselves to be guinea pigs for 'Lore's malware ridden ads in some foolish quest to support him--a guy who cares nothing about your user experience--is baffling.

[Rufus]

Or maybe he just doesn't have access to better ad networks and doesn't want to admit it.

Even Youtube has issues holding on to advertisers these days.

[daemon]

Or maybe he just doesn't have access to better ad networks and doesn't want to admit it.

Even Youtube has issues holding on to advertisers these days.

Tyler Malka, entrepeneur by mistake.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202587471&postcount=82

"i'd rather earn 0 revenue than giving 30% of an hypothetical revenue".

Then does petty stuff like this too:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204607671&postcount=195


He really is a gigantic...

[railGUN]

Welp, aside from this thread, GAF is now completely unusable on mobile.

I can open threads, but within 3 seconds I get the redirect. Is anyone looking into this? If it's not addressed by tomorrow we might need to tweet evillore.

He said, in a thread designed specifically to report bad ads!

[Syph]

Or maybe he just doesn't have access to better ad networks and doesn't want to admit it.

Even Youtube has issues holding on to advertisers these days.

Tyler Malka, entrepeneur by mistake.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202587471&postcount=82

"i'd rather earn 0 revenue than giving 30% of an hypothetical revenue".

Then does petty stuff like this too:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204607671&postcount=195

yo hold up is that second one real/serious?

[daemon]

Or maybe he just doesn't have access to better ad networks and doesn't want to admit it.

Even Youtube has issues holding on to advertisers these days.

Tyler Malka, entrepeneur by mistake.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202587471&postcount=82

"i'd rather earn 0 revenue than giving 30% of an hypothetical revenue".

Then does petty stuff like this too:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204607671&postcount=195

yo hold up is that second one real/serious?

yeup, he literally ransomed a GAF user with a $1000 donation to keep the account.

[WanderingWind]

Yeah...but it was Tabris. The guy was a normal poster until one day he decided to start shitposting as a character out of Ayn Rand's deepest wet fantasies. Every fucking thread the guy would be trying to turn the conversation into how much money he had. Talking about food? He'd post about how only the poors have BBQs. Shit like that.  He would talk down to anybody who was struggling, or in college, talking about how it must suck to suck at life, but you know, he was eating grapes hand selected by only the shiniest of eunuchs.

[thisismyusername]

Or maybe he just doesn't have access to better ad networks and doesn't want to admit it.

Even Youtube has issues holding on to advertisers these days.

Tyler Malka, entrepeneur by mistake.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202587471&postcount=82

"i'd rather earn 0 revenue than giving 30% of an hypothetical revenue".

Then does petty stuff like this too:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204607671&postcount=195

yo hold up is that second one real/serious?

yeup, he literally ransomed a GAF user with a $1000 donation to keep the account.

To be fair, it's Tabris. A gigantic horses ass that claims he's rich. So the $1,000 donation would've been a drop in the bucket for him if he wasn't trolling.

[daemon]

Or maybe he just doesn't have access to better ad networks and doesn't want to admit it.

Even Youtube has issues holding on to advertisers these days.

Tyler Malka, entrepeneur by mistake.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202587471&postcount=82

"i'd rather earn 0 revenue than giving 30% of an hypothetical revenue".

Then does petty stuff like this too:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204607671&postcount=195

yo hold up is that second one real/serious?

yeup, he literally ransomed a GAF user with a $1000 donation to keep the account.

To be fair, it's Tabris. A gigantic horses ass that claims he's rich. So the $1,000 donation would've been a drop in the bucket for him if he wasn't trolling.

Does it make it right? I mean, this is the same guy that complains in the other quoted post about an intermediary charging a percentage of the profit. A percentage which is about the same as any IAP for mobile. I know that tarbis comes off like a huge showoff, but how is it right for the owner of the site to make that kind of power display. I'll tell you why: it's all about jealousy.

[thisismyusername]

Does it make it right?

Yes. Easily. If you're going to talk down to "lol dirt poors" a lot, put up or shut-up, IMO.

I mean, this is the same guy that complains in the other quoted post about an intermediary charging a percentage of the profit. A percentage which is about the same as any IAP for mobile. I know that tarbis comes off like a huge showoff, but how is it right for the owner of the site to make that kind of power display. I'll tell you why: it's all about jealousy.

Sure. But at the same time: Fuck Tabris. And fuck Evilore.

Does that make you feel better?

[daemon]

Sure. But at the same time: Fuck Tabris. And fuck Evilore.

Does that make you feel better?

Yep. lol

[Boredfrom]

Or maybe he just doesn't have access to better ad networks and doesn't want to admit it.

Even Youtube has issues holding on to advertisers these days.

YouTube problem has also a lot of do with how they manage ads. I got a pro Trump conspiracy ad just because I watched a White House live stream  or an 1 hour ad for a channel that seems to be only about a couple screaming at each other.

[zomgee]

Sure. But at the same time: Fuck Tabris. And fuck Evilore.

Does that make you feel better?

Yep. lol

See? Not everything is a black and white issue or a zero sum game. Two assholes can both be wrong.

Or make for some good porn.

[WanderingWind]

Yeah, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying Lore is my homeboy. I'm just not caught up on all the drama and thus have no beef with him. I recall something about him touching a girl's butt in a bar? Vaguely. The stuff about him having terrible ads on his site...well, AdBlock. Don't whitelist crappy sites with inappropriate or malicious ads.

[thisismyusername]

Don't whitelist sites.

FTFY. You're welcome.

[counterhit]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1357491

1) The immediate derail tactic is in effect, but gets called out.

2) Chumley is the heavy-weight champion of calling people "alt-right".

As for the topic, not sure if H3H3 is painting a complete picture about YouTube's advertising drama. This gets more confusing the more I see about it.

[Boredfrom]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=233234427

So you would stand in silence if your friend who has a prominent platform was spewing racism?

I see.

I dunno if GAF is the place to judge, the site can barely call out kame sennin.

[railGUN]

That thread is just, wow. I was about to post it.

I had trouble finding an appropriate gif. This was the best I could do.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

[Boredfrom]

Fucking GAF could barely call out Kayne West when he was supporting Trump.

So Ethan has made a career out of calling people out.

But calling a friend out for racism or even saying "I disagree with what he said and we are chatting about stuff IRL. I hope to change his mind. " isn't worth the drop of revenue?

I see.

Yeah, you guys call out mods or Evilore when they act like pricks... Don't you? Is easier than call out friends...

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Tabris' shtick got old very fast because there are people on GAF who appear to make several times what he claimed to make.  It always blows me away at some of the setups people have.  There are some rich motherfuckers who post on GAF but tend to be very low key and seem to post only in pickup threads.  I guess they're too busy living life and actually playing games instead of the 20-30 post per day heavyweights like Amir0x and Slayven.

[Rman]

Chumley is gotta be one of the most classic definition of a Social Justice Warriors in that site.  Dude is black or white, for or against, no gray area whatsoever.

There is no negotiating with him at all.  And as such one of the lamest posters on that site.  According to him, if you listen to Joe Rogan, you're an alt right Nazi.

[D3RANG3D]

There are dudes in that thread saying you should call out your boss and get fired to do the right thing.

[Boredfrom]

In terms of firing shots across the bow in the new vs old media war, they'll probably think it's worth it. They probably won't get much out of H3H3 in terms of money but it would send a hell of a message

Really? Woof, I would've thought questioning their journalistic integrity publicly by stating their reporting was fraudulent would fall comfortably in the ballpark of libel

GAF has some funny concepts about libel and journalism.

Then again, Chumley can pat himself in the back because he is able to shit stirring a thread and get in people nerves than "wait and see":

First two pages are just hilarious now.

Ethan is a complete joke.

[Raist]

Are they ignoring the fact that the "proof" that the video had ads show nothing more than what Ethan said in the first place? That was last year.

[Mr. Nobody]

I don't want crispy M&Ms to ever leave me again 

[Boredfrom]

"If this is true about WSJ photoshoping stuff is just small thing compared with hate speech in you tube. This is just going to enable alt right you tubers"

Evidence shows that the yotuber may have fucked up:

"HAHA. WSJ should sue for libel. This stupid war between YT and old media just benefits Trump. That's what you get for having bias about your nobody friends"

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1357483

Mostly, I wanted to show that the bulk of the Middle East is far from the volatile hub of violence and fanaticism people believe.

Would've been mighty ironic if she was beheaded while doing this. She's lucky no harm came to her. And yes, there is many good people in the region. Doesn't mean you have to go to a war-torn area to prove that.

[tiesto]

I haven't really run across Lore too often, even though I've been with the site for nearly 13 years. Thus, I don't have much in the way of beef with him. There's some things that I've heard about that he's done that I don't necessarily agree with (assgrab in Barcelona, his shitty mobile ad policy, that 'former fattie' syndrome), but whatevs.

[WanderingWind]

Ethan took down the video.

But back on NeoGAF - they hate the guy because he hasn't publicly denounced JonTron. What the holy fuck is wrong with people? JonTron is trash people. Ethan hasn't made a specific video that says "hey, that racist stuff was racist and racism is bad" so he's equally as wrong, in their own estimation. How do you get so fucked up in the head?

[nudemacusers]

Eh re h3h3 it's just a guy on the net no need to cape for him. Sure gaf swings black white on this stuff but that's gaf   

[Rman]

Ethan took down the video.

But back on NeoGAF - they hate the guy because he hasn't publicly denounced JonTron. What the holy fuck is wrong with people? JonTron is trash people. Ethan hasn't made a specific video that says "hey, that racist stuff was racist and racism is bad" so he's equally as wrong, in their own estimation. How do you get so fucked up in the head?

I mean, the McCarthyism angle on GAF started with GG and has only gotten worse ever since then. It's not a new thing recently and it's always the same ole posters.

[WanderingWind]

Ethan took down the video.

But back on NeoGAF - they hate the guy because he hasn't publicly denounced JonTron. What the holy fuck is wrong with people? JonTron is trash people. Ethan hasn't made a specific video that says "hey, that racist stuff was racist and racism is bad" so he's equally as wrong, in their own estimation. How do you get so fucked up in the head?

I mean, the McCarthyism angle on GAF started with GG and has only gotten worse ever since then. It's not a new thing recently and it's always the same ole posters.

Even so, this has got to be a new low. Will he have to throw a effigy on the Mayday fire to properly denounce racism?

[railGUN]

Above and beyond whatever is going on here, I think it's really embarrassing that there are people who are supposedly adults but voluntarily admit to enjoying YouTube drama channels. They're about a half-step below "Ow My Balls" in terms of what they contribute to the world, in that they're equally fucking worthless and stupid, but also turn viewers into miserable assholes and contribute to outrage culture.

 

I wonder where NeoGAF sits on Stumps Jeff Bell curve.

Sorry, didn't you post in this thread before saying how it wasn't worth it and now you're back here getting involved? What changed your mind and made it worth it to engage between then and now?

  Fucking love when mods try to bait ban. 

[WanderingWind]

I would like to take this opportunity to publicly denounce racism, sexism, badstuffism and yogurt. It's just boring pudding and buddy, pudding isn't great shakes.