VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[agrajag]

Am I overreacting? A video game just called me a maricon, mods help

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1315551

[Brehvolution]

how is alt right different from just the right or the general GOP? I still have no idea wtf alt right is

they do butt stuff and don't go to church

[bork]

Am I overreacting? A video game just called me a maricon, mods help

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1315551

So they patched out vaginas and I guess foul language is next up on the chopping block!  Dirty shit in an M-Rated game?  Unacceptable*!


(*Except for cocks)

[Optimus]

how is alt right different from just the right or the general GOP? I still have no idea wtf alt right is

"Alt-right" is literally just a media-savvy repackaging of the far right and neofascists for the Internet age, which have proven adept at surfing on outbursts of reactionary sentiment. That's really all there is to it.
The irony on GAF is that it seems it's now considered a sanitized label when just a few weeks ago it was a race to slap it everywhere.

That is a crappy oversimplification imo. There are groups of people that are considered alt-right that just fucking hate political correctness, others who are fiscally conservative but have no problem with gays or atheists, the conspiracy nuts and so on. They often combine like many conspiracy nuts are also racists but not always.

[VomKriege]

Don't really fancy a game of No True Scotsman, to be fair. That the label is applied to or self-claimed by a wide variety of individuals with different level of commitment and their own personal motives is none of my concern (hence the "surfing on reactionary outbursts"). I'll stand by my definition to what is the agenda of the people leading or harnessing it as a real political movement.

I voted for the Communists of couple of times in my life, without believing in class struggle theory or historical materialism. Does that make the Communist Party less Marxist ?

[Optimus]

Don't really fancy a game of No True Scotsman, to be fair. That the label is applied to or self-claimed by a wide variety of individuals with different level of commitment and their own personal motives is none of my concern (hence the "surfing on reactionary outbursts"). I'll stand by my definition to what is the agenda of the people leading or harnessing it as a real political movement.

I voted for the Communists of couple of times in my life, without believing in class struggle theory or historical materialism. Does that make the Communist Party less Marxist ?

The difference being that communism has a clear goals and definition, alt-right has none, it's just a blanket term for alternatives to the traditional right.

[etiolate]

how is alt right different from just the right or the general GOP? I still have no idea wtf alt right is

Alt-right is a lot of people who looked at how ridiculous the accusations of racism and sexism had gotten, thought to themselves, "if everything I say is going to be called racist, then why care what I say?" If everything is X then nothing is X being the principle. So they started riling people up with racist or inflammatory memes. This then attracted actual racists and fringe groups who joined in. It's 4chan acting like Stormfront for lels which then attracted Stormfront.

So you have people with no sincerity at the core surrounded by fringe people who are sincere about some dumb things. (Like nRX, which no longer believe in democracy and want some philosopher King/CEO of the nation.)

[Owl-faced Wizard]

how is alt right different from just the right or the general GOP? I still have no idea wtf alt right is

"Alt-right" is literally just a media-savvy repackaging of the far right and neofascists for the Internet age, which have proven adept at surfing on outbursts of reactionary sentiment. That's really all there is to it.
The irony on GAF is that it seems it's now considered a sanitized label when just a few weeks ago it was a race to slap it everywhere.

That is a crappy oversimplification imo. There are groups of people that are considered alt-right that just fucking hate political correctness, others who are fiscally conservative but have no problem with gays or atheists, the conspiracy nuts and so on. They often combine like many conspiracy nuts are also racists but not always.

How's this: The traditional right are racist.  The alt right aren't necessarily racist, they just hate everyone who isn't racist because who are they to tell me what to do?

[stufte]

Am I overreacting? A video game just called me a maricon, mods help

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1315551

So they patched out vaginas and I guess foul language is next up on the chopping block!  Dirty shit in an M-Rated game?  Unacceptable*!


(*Except for cocks)

Cocks are progressive!

[demi]

Is the penis cut or not?

[stufte]

how is alt right different from just the right or the general GOP? I still have no idea wtf alt right is

"Alt-right" is literally just a media-savvy repackaging of the far right and neofascists for the Internet age, which have proven adept at surfing on outbursts of reactionary sentiment. That's really all there is to it.
The irony on GAF is that it seems it's now considered a sanitized label when just a few weeks ago it was a race to slap it everywhere.

That is a crappy oversimplification imo. There are groups of people that are considered alt-right that just fucking hate political correctness, others who are fiscally conservative but have no problem with gays or atheists, the conspiracy nuts and so on. They often combine like many conspiracy nuts are also racists but not always.

How's this: The traditional right are racist.  The alt right aren't necessarily racist, they just hate everyone who isn't racist because who are they to tell me what to do?

The traditional right isn't inherently racist, but lots of racists are traditional right. There are also lots of racist leftists. The alt-right is a manifestation of the neo-liberals ousting regular liberals and moderates out for disagreeing with them on some things.

Racism is less a political thing and more of a human nature thing. 

[Tasty]

The alt-right is made up of liberals and moderates? wut

[Optimus]

how is alt right different from just the right or the general GOP? I still have no idea wtf alt right is

"Alt-right" is literally just a media-savvy repackaging of the far right and neofascists for the Internet age, which have proven adept at surfing on outbursts of reactionary sentiment. That's really all there is to it.
The irony on GAF is that it seems it's now considered a sanitized label when just a few weeks ago it was a race to slap it everywhere.

That is a crappy oversimplification imo. There are groups of people that are considered alt-right that just fucking hate political correctness, others who are fiscally conservative but have no problem with gays or atheists, the conspiracy nuts and so on. They often combine like many conspiracy nuts are also racists but not always.

How's this: The traditional right are racist.  The alt right aren't necessarily racist, they just hate everyone who isn't racist because who are they to tell me what to do?

The way I witnessed it the whole alt-right movement started as a reaction against idiot liberals who were accusing everyone and everything of being racist/sexist. Not that many in the right aren't racists but that shit mentality of generalizing and hurling accusations with no proof would eventually backfire badly so it did and within a few years they grew into a multitude of different groups. So how do you react to that? You hurl accusations again. You people have learned nothing.

Not to mention that this obsession with identity politics from both sides is very useful to the ruling class of the country that has used it repeatedly for decades to distract. Yet you do it again. This country is stupid beyond comprehension.

[stufte]

The alt-right is made up of liberals and moderates? wut

yep. and right leaning moderates.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

how is alt right different from just the right or the general GOP? I still have no idea wtf alt right is

"Alt-right" is literally just a media-savvy repackaging of the far right and neofascists for the Internet age, which have proven adept at surfing on outbursts of reactionary sentiment. That's really all there is to it.
The irony on GAF is that it seems it's now considered a sanitized label when just a few weeks ago it was a race to slap it everywhere.

That is a crappy oversimplification imo. There are groups of people that are considered alt-right that just fucking hate political correctness, others who are fiscally conservative but have no problem with gays or atheists, the conspiracy nuts and so on. They often combine like many conspiracy nuts are also racists but not always.

How's this: The traditional right are racist.  The alt right aren't necessarily racist, they just hate everyone who isn't racist because who are they to tell me what to do?

The way I witnessed it the whole alt-right movement started as a reaction against idiot liberals who were accusing everyone and everything of being racist/sexist. Not that many in the right aren't racists but that shit mentality of generalizing and hurling accusations with no proof would eventually backfire badly so it did and within a few years they grew into a multitude of different groups. So how do you react to that? You hurl accusations again. You people have learned nothing.

What do you mean you people?

[Tasty]

The alt-right is made up of liberals and moderates? wut

yep. and right leaning moderates.

[Rufus]

They are anti-progressive reactionaries (or a counterculture, if you want a more neutral term) adopting 4chan-style modes of communication.

[Dennis]

  Kabouter

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224667009&postcount=39

[etiolate]

The alt-right does horseshoe theory after awhile and gets as bad as those they mock.

However, they probably don't care about gay marriage or which bathroom you use, but dislike the way the discussion is done and by whom seems to run the discussion.

[Optimus]

Kabouter

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224667009&postcount=39

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224674395&postcount=101

 

 

[MMaRsu]

Have people on GAF not seen Scarface or something lol

How has someone never heard of Maricon lo0l

[zomgee]

Kabouter

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224667009&postcount=39

"60+ plus should be the voting cutoff point"

Oy.

[FStop7]

Take Michael Shannon seriously breh

In the pre-Trump world everyone would be dogpiling him for shitting on BvS 

[nachobro]

wtf happened to this thread? you people are disgusting

Is the penis cut or not?

oh nevermind we're back on track

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1315764

 

[agrajag]

I always thought alt-right was just an umbrella term tbh.

 It ranges from unironic /pol/ users, Infowars conspiracy nuts, reactionary "that's PC!" warriors, internet trolls that actively are helping causes that they're ironically mocking etc. etc.

 It's a very, very diverse term of

The Bore: "SJW is too broad, non-specific term, it doesn't accurately address the different demographics that people fall under. It's a misnomer.

Let's call everyone we don't like alt-right!"

[agrajag]

I doubt everyone you described self-identify as alt-right. Infowar conspiracy nuts, for example, have been around way before the term even existed. There's a bunch of people being called alt-right nowadays who have never even heard of the term before.

I'm not one that ever had a problem with umbrella terms.

[etiolate]

Actually some SJWs do call themselves SJWs. I'm not even sure the term comes from anti-PC ppl. I think it may come from tumbler types and was then mocked.

There's certainly not any nice Alt-Rghters, but there's probably Alt Right ppl who want good things for people. They just go about it in a way that is intentionally abrasive.

In both cases, its not the cause but the method of the cause.

edit: agrajag is right in that the label will be applied to people who have no association with it, but that gets into the broader use of labeling others to dismiss them. You need alt-right to absolutely mean racist nazis in order for the label to be effective against non-fringe people. True is same of SJW. There's a handful of people who get called cuck, SJW and alt-right, depending on which nitwit is angry at them.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224715663&postcount=156

To those that give themselves over completely to computer games

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224714271&postcount=17

Don't most European countries have laws against outlets like Breitbart?

 
Laws against certain forms of hateful speech, but that applies to possible specific content, not the outlet.

[agrajag]

Um, guys I'm getting some nasty malware from the Bore it seems that circumvents my ad-blocker. It's the site I'm getting these popups from. What's going on?

[VomKriege]

Um, guys I'm getting some nasty malware from the Bore it seems that circumvents my ad-blocker. It's the site I'm getting these popups from. What's going on?

Not getting it on my end.

Speaking of malware :

Amirox :

boy am I glad I was banned during election week. fucking funeral lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224696193&postcount=6640

[agrajag]

Um, guys I'm getting some nasty malware from the Bore it seems that circumvents my ad-blocker. It's the site I'm getting these popups from. What's going on?

Not getting it on my end.

Speaking of malware :

Amirox :

boy am I glad I was banned during election week. fucking funeral lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224696193&postcount=6640

Maybe my computer is infected.. malwarebytes doesn't see anything, anyone know any better freeware scanners out there?

[seagrams hotsauce]

how is alt right different from just the right or the general GOP? I still have no idea wtf alt right is

I dont think there is its just a new buzzword like echo chamber or DECK

Gaf overuses a phrase and all of a sudden Breitbart and Infowars don't exist? Fuck outta here with this shit

[agrajag]

Um, guys I'm getting some nasty malware from the Bore it seems that circumvents my ad-blocker. It's the site I'm getting these popups from. What's going on?

The thread's titled safespace hugbox. We''ll get you alt righters one way or the other.

SAYS WHO

[OnlyRegret]

I always find those complaints about librulz seeing everything as racist and forcing PC on our poor youth kinda funny considering how a nice chunk of the American population either thinks of the president and his family as either subhuman scum or a foreigner-secret-Muslim-commie Hitler.

Then again I don't live in America, what does it matter.

[clothedmacuser]

Is this what is known as a echo chamber?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1315845

[agrajag]

Not being okay with anti-semitism is not an echo chamber bro

[tiesto]

Wasn't the term "paleocon" back in the day before "alt-right" took off? I remember when Buchannan first started making a splash this is the term the media used for him and others like him.

[clothedmacuser]

Not being okay with anti-semitism is not an echo chamber bro

sigh

[agrajag]

Sometimes GAF's naive enthusiasm is better than the cynical armchair quarterbacking of this place.

[Syph]

Um, guys I'm getting some nasty malware from the Bore it seems that circumvents my ad-blocker. It's the site I'm getting these popups from. What's going on?

Not getting it on my end.

Speaking of malware :

Amirox :

boy am I glad I was banned during election week. fucking funeral lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224696193&postcount=6640

almost time to make my thread...

also alt-right was definitely a product of GAF lol but in general the term has shifted in meaning over the past 4 years because of the media

[Optimus]

Not being okay with anti-semitism is not an echo chamber bro

Using one random troll on the internet which might as well be a false flag to validate your opinion sounds like an echo chamber in my book. I can't believe I've reached the point where I have to defend the fucking alt-right but these people are so rabid and simpleminded that I have to. I guess that's how alt-righters are born, if I wasn't so allergic to everything they stand for I might have fallen to the trap too.

[agrajag]

Not being okay with anti-semitism is not an echo chamber bro

Using one random troll on the internet which might as well be a false flag to validate your opinion sounds like an echo chamber in my book. I can't believe I've reached the point where I have to defend the fucking alt-right but these people are so rabid and simpleminded that I have to. I guess that's how alt-righters are born, if I wasn't so allergic to everything they stand for I might have fallen to the trap too.

If you become alt-right because someone triggers you on the internet you probably had those tendencies anyway. 

[Optimus]

Not being okay with anti-semitism is not an echo chamber bro

Using one random troll on the internet which might as well be a false flag to validate your opinion sounds like an echo chamber in my book. I can't believe I've reached the point where I have to defend the fucking alt-right but these people are so rabid and simpleminded that I have to. I guess that's how alt-righters are born, if I wasn't so allergic to everything they stand for I might have fallen to the trap too.

If you become alt-right because someone triggers you on the internet you probably had those tendencies anyway. 

No, some people slowly join their side because they keep defending them from stupid fucks like neogaffers and SJWs who demonize them so much that they feel the need to restore some sanity to their narrative while at the same time you become numb to words like racist and sexist after watching them spam them non-stop, which unfortunately I kind of have to a degree too. I hate what that forum has done to many people, they so goddamn rabid and obnoxious that I'm 100% sure that they've created way more rightwing nuts than liberals.

[agrajag]

Yeah, GAF is to blame for the rise of alt-rite and Donald Trump. Just go ahead and blame all the world's problems on GAF. Get real, breh.

[wsippel]

I think the whole alt-right nonsense is due to the fact that left folks always thought all conservatives were rednecks and guys from the South who go to church every Sunday, hate gays and blacks, think women belong in the kitchen and generally want the 50's back. But times change, and we now have conservatives who are atheist, don't care about gays or blacks or women with jobs (or are, in fact, gay/ black/ female), and want the 80's/ 90's back. So the media and the left had to invent a new term.

[Jansen]

Do saudis create women characters and let them drive?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224722389&postcount=188

[Optimus]

Yeah, GAF is to blame for the rise of alt-rite and Donald Trump. Just go ahead and blame all the world's problems on GAF. Get real, breh.

This is the second time in a row that you purposely misinterpreted my point just to write a rather obnoxious sarcastic reply. You must be neogaffer and if you aren't you should really consider a membership there.

[helios]

The alt-right aren't demons? 

[clothedmacuser]

Poli-Gaf still saying that white people are blaming minorities for Trump's win.  I just don't see that narrative anywhere or how they concocted it or why they would create that story?

[agrajag]

Yeah, GAF is to blame for the rise of alt-rite and Donald Trump. Just go ahead and blame all the world's problems on GAF. Get real, breh.

This is the second time in a row that you purposely misinterpreted my point just to write a rather obnoxious sarcastic reply. You must be neogaffer and if you aren't you should really consider a membership there.

Kid, I've been permabanned before you joined GAF probably. 

If your points are so easy to misinterpret, maybe you should work on elucidating your points across. But go ahead and accuse me of shit if it makes you feel better.

Let's try this again. What is your point?

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1315896

[helios]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1315896

He had such a confident title, too

[Dennis]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1315878

fucking ouch

[Optimus]

Yeah, GAF is to blame for the rise of alt-rite and Donald Trump. Just go ahead and blame all the world's problems on GAF. Get real, breh.

This is the second time in a row that you purposely misinterpreted my point just to write a rather obnoxious sarcastic reply. You must be neogaffer and if you aren't you should really consider a membership there.

Kid, I've been permabanned before you joined GAF probably. 

If your points are so easy to misinterpret, maybe you should work on elucidating your points across. But go ahead and accuse me of shit if it makes you feel better.

Let's try this again. What is your point?

Kid, I was there when Opa first started shilling for Sega... I think... I was way too young and now I'm too old to remember details. My points aren't easy to misinterpret, you do it on purpose because you're lazy and it's easier to write a sarcastic reply than to actually argue. For example, nowhere in my post did I say that GAF created the alt-right movement, they're not even relevant enough to create a meme let alone an entire movement, I just said they've created more rightwingers than liberals with their stupidity. That's it.

[etiolate]

You're all #2s, so it's easy for me talk to you.

[Optimus]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1315878

fucking ouch

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224727684&postcount=13

This is the best part of that thread. What does it have to do with anything?

[railGUN]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1315896

This thread's kind of fun, watching a bunch of posters dismissively handwave away the OP with no facts, while being completely wrong.

I wonder who will admit they were wrong, and who will double down.

[agrajag]

Yeah, GAF is to blame for the rise of alt-rite and Donald Trump. Just go ahead and blame all the world's problems on GAF. Get real, breh.

This is the second time in a row that you purposely misinterpreted my point just to write a rather obnoxious sarcastic reply. You must be neogaffer and if you aren't you should really consider a membership there.

Kid, I've been permabanned before you joined GAF probably. 

If your points are so easy to misinterpret, maybe you should work on elucidating your points across. But go ahead and accuse me of shit if it makes you feel better.

Let's try this again. What is your point?

Kid, I was there when Opa first started shilling for Sega... I think... I was way too young and now I'm too old to remember details. My points aren't easy to misinterpret, you do it on purpose because you're lazy and it's easier to write a sarcastic reply than to actually argue. For example, nowhere in my post did I say that GAF created the alt-right movement, they're not even relevant enough to create a meme let alone an entire movement, I just said they've created more rightwingers than liberals with their stupidity. That's it.

Let's see. You entered the conversation by playing devils advocate for the alt-rights, and when the frame of the conversation was a GAF thread, you said "I guess that's how alt-righters are born." Then you accuse me of being lazy for misinterpret you, when you weren't being clear in the first place.