VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[Nola]

Just to get all together in a post w/o links:
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 Seriously, how do you go from paste White to the top-right picture?

Oh neat, Bobby just posted a few pictures of his mother on Twitter:








..There is a sense of an uncanny resemblance somewhere, but I just can't put my finger on it

[Himu]

Comedies are a poor barometer of critical reception. They always score lower than dramas and historical pics. Humor is very subjective and has a shelf life.

Ace Ventura 45%, Home Alone 54%, Tommy Boy 44%, etc etc

Many of those aren't comedy.

Baby Boy, New Jack City, Jason's Lyric;etc aren't comedy in the least bit.

[Himu]

Most any black movie.

Friday, a classic film, is 77% fresh with critics, 91% with audiences.

Bebe's Kids is 25% fresh! Granted, it's not a masterpiece or anything, but it's not a 25% movie. Audiences have it at 74% where it is properly rated!

Other hood classics:

Critics numbers on the left, audiences on the right.

New Jack City - 76% | 80%
Don't Be A Menace - 29% | 81%
Jason's Lyric - 67% | 91%
The Best Man - 72% | 86%
The Wood - 61% | 92%
Baby Boy - 71% | 87%

I will consider a white persons opinion on black movies as far as I can throw em!

To wit, compare the audience score to the tomatometer on many of these. The Wood is certified 61 fresh by critics. It is at 91 (!!!) among audiences. This should tell you all you need to know. White critics only like a certain of black movie, and stuff like Precious and Antwone Fisher or Boyz In Da Hood which depicts black people in a certain kinda way. But if you do something like The Wood which depicts black people as normal people with nothing to criticize about the black "condition" then they don't get it.

http://www.indiewire.com/2014/01/why-white-people-dont-like-black-movies-162548/

I was with you until you brought up Bebe's Kids. Also Don't Be A Menace sucks. The only movies you brought up that are stone cold classics as far as I'm concerned are New Jack and Friday.

Baby Boy is definitely a classic. So is Jason's Lyric.

[Himu]

Baby Boy shitty?

It has Tyrese topless in it!

[Phoenix Dark]

Baby Boy shitty?

It has Tyrese topless in it!

Quite the film masterpiece

[Himu]

[Phoenix Dark]

never date a woman who posts this on Facebook or in texts and asks "what would u do"

[Dennis]

You want something from the store?

[VomKriege]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227551002


We don't need the details.

[etiolate]

I would just like to say that I greatly appreciate R Kelly's masterpiece Trapped in the Closet ((closet))

[helios]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227551002


We don't need the details.

Brother turned on by shoes, like a discount Tarantino, when Serena is standing there on those legs.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Muscular women legs 

[Nola]

Muscular women legs 

How do you downvote?

[nudemacusers]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227551002


We don't need the details.

Brother turned on by shoes, like a discount Tarantino, when Serena is standing there on those legs.

shoes > women

not nikes tho

[daemon]

I will consider a white persons opinion on black movies as far as I can throw em!

That's the thing. A critic technically should see the movie for the principles that define movies. Plot, acting, compelling story. And the audience cares jack shit for that.

TFA, the most uninspired Star Wars movie ever that stomps on everything Star Wars actually goes for and instead focuses on the mainstream aspects to make $$$ gets a 92% on rotten tomatoes from the critics.

Critics are just an extension of the marketing department nowadays.

[Himu]

Himu, Have you ever seen Coolie High? That one's pretty great. Same goes for Across 110th Street.

Yeah I've seen them both. They're both famous from that era. I'll have to admit that I'm not a massive fan of blaxploitation movies however. There's stuff like The Spook Who Sat By The Door of course, The Last Dragon, Shaft, Foxy Brown, and Car Wash but for the most part not my thing.

That said I can see not liking something you used to like. I feel the same way about The Breakfast Club. I find every character to be an annoying asshole now when I (try to) watch it when I used to think it was a pretty good reflection on teenage life. It probably still is, but it doesn't change that I think it's a bad movie.

[Phoenix Dark]

You need to watch some blaxploitation beyond the obvious ones, beloved.


trust me

[clothedmacuser]

Trump is reviewing the nations anti-terrorism resources.  Clearly it's a move to give power to right wing extremists groups.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330060

 

[Himu]

I will consider a white persons opinion on black movies as far as I can throw em!

That's the thing. A critic technically should see the movie for the principles that define movies. Plot, acting, compelling story. And the audience cares jack shit for that.

TFA, the most uninspired Star Wars movie ever that stomps on everything Star Wars actually goes for and instead focuses on the mainstream aspects to make $$$ gets a 92% on rotten tomatoes from the critics.

Critics are just an extension of the marketing department nowadays.

My thing is that white critics are often examining something far outside of their culture for which they know little about. This exists outside of film criticism as well. For example LV Anderson at Slate writing a scathing review of some HBCU band( read the comments lol) thing without any context of what the cultural historicity of it was where they label something awful without any attempt of context or understanding because it exists outside of their culture and is foreign to them.

Better said than me, although I'm not fond of Perry's films. also suggest the indie wire link. Their criticism usually goes above technical criticism.

http://www.avclub.com/r/96644tsd

[VomKriege]

Jesus Christ that Bobby Roberts twitter is a treasure trove...

I clowned Sculli in one of his shitty threads that died of natural causes. He chased me into another thread.

It's stupid as shit, but for some reason someone in red thinks anyone there gives 2 fucks about Sculli's feelings

So I eat 2 weeks in the name of "fairness," which is limp like sea cucumber, but whattya gonna do.

Bet it was Duckroll. Because he's a fucking moron. But it mighta been Ghaleon, which would be all sorts of disappointing.

https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/815454119972388865

 

HOW WILL THAT MOD LOOK HIMSELF IN THE MIRROR !

Edit : Oh I see some links are not pointing to anything anymore. Would he have deleted them ? 

[nachobro]

Hi Bobby 

[benjipwns]

Their interest in Films feel genuine than the corporate hipster ball washer that seems to think that Rogue One ending is some sort "brave" attempt to break formulas.

IT BROKE NEW GROUND

[Himu]

Banned for two weeks and he loses his shit

He's like "THIS IS GOING ON MY PERMENANT RECORD ARGH"

[VomKriege]

Why aren't the new Star Wars movies considerend 'filler' by its fans?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330100

  SPERGING OUT ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF "FILLER" IN PROGRESS

Rules change. Just like how HBO's Game of Thrones is now canon while the books are EU.

Well they're not making it up, so far it's been adapted from the manga

 

[Himu]

I certainly consider R1 filler.

[benjipwns]

Trump is reviewing the nations anti-terrorism resources.  Clearly it's a move to give power to right wing extremists groups.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330060

 

Obligatory early reply:

Stay safe minorities

Start theorizing:

At this point I don't think that any of this is Donald - It's the gutless GOP's stuffed inside his bloated Trojan horse that are leading a vast majority of these "data" triangulation exercises.

"comic book/movie villain" reference:

That was before or after he twirled his mustache and gave a weird laugh ?

"I don't know anything about how any of this works, but it's definitely what Hitler did probably"

I have only one question to ask: does this happen every time a new President/party takes office? Because if it isn't people in the USA should be very, very worried if they aren't already. Trump is by nature a vindictive bully. This is the kind of thing Saddam Hussein would have done when he came to power.

The world is over, we'll never survive, might as well kill yourself:

I have to say, it's getting almost cliche to say, but I really lose faith in the future of America with every passing day. This is basically like Nixon, but with a Congress that is a Nixon fan club and doesn't give a shit for everyone to know it. It truly is terrifying, and I really don't know if America is going to get out of this nightmare within my generation.

All in the first 15 posts!

[nachobro]

Banned for two weeks and he loses his shit

He's like "THIS IS GOING ON MY PERMENANT RECORD ARGH"

"I'LL NEVER BE A MOD NOW"

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227548392&postcount=100

DROP DAT OPPO

[Dennis]

I should be on Twitter.

[helios]

lol @ Bobby losing it over a two week ban. Fuckin' blowhard.

[Great Rumbler]

It's filler if you don't like it. A sidestory if you do.

[Tasty]

I stopped giving a fuck about individual movie reviews after Ebert died. Now I just look at the RT score but even that's not reliable because cac critics will never "get" movies for black people for instance.

Such as?

12 Years a Slave. Compton. Moonlight. Fences. Boo! A Madea Halloween.

[zepblackstar]

Rules change. Just like how HBO's Game of Thrones is now canon while the books are EU.

The fuck?

[Oblivion]

Is Bobby like some minor internet celebrity or something? He's got over a 1k Twitter followers.

[Tasty]

Banned for two weeks and he loses his shit

He's like "THIS IS GOING ON MY PERMENANT RECORD ARGH"

"I'LL NEVER BE A MOD NOW"

To be fair they modded a known-perma'd member.

[benjipwns]

Black movies need more white people in them for diversity

Tyler Perry movies have the token White Dude, don't they?

[zepblackstar]

Lee Daniels need to answer for what he has done to Empire after Season 1

I mean a threesome with one being the ghost of your dead wife? bruh

[Great Rumbler]

Undercover Brother and Black Dynamite are both , so RT is okay in my book.

[Nola]

Trump is reviewing the nations anti-terrorism resources.  Clearly it's a move to give power to right wing extremists groups.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330060

 

Like, this is actually something that should be scrutinized and questioned, something the press should probably dig into and keep tabs on. Especially after the whole Department of Energy bullshit, but directly jumping two or three levels into conspiracy territory is typical GAF these days.

Some posters, like in most threads, are making rational observations but like most GAF threads the stupid just take control and drive any rational discussion into the ditch with their idiocy.

[thisismyusername]

Black movies need more white people in them for diversity

Tyler Perry movies have the token White Dude, don't they?

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Keyword, though: Movies.

[Tasty]

Undercover Brother

[benjipwns]

One other thing to keep in mind with RT. The audience number can change basically forever. Often the critic number gets set in stone shortly after release.

To bring it back around to Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith still has a 79% RT. Its user score is 65%.

Using the wayback machine, a week after release it had an 83% critic score and 88% user score.

[bluemax]

https://twitter.com/ShaneWatch/status/816098933864697856

[Himu]

Why would anyone WANT to be a mod on gaf? Honest question. As Benji is obviously gunning for a spot, I need an answer from him specifically.

[Phoenix Dark]

The best way to destroy the state is from within.

[benjipwns]

I desire to be heir to The Throne of the Blood God.

[Dennis]

The best way to destroy the state is from within.

How does one become a Bore mod?

[benjipwns]

I've been a mod/admin at decent sized community site/forums before. Not NeoGAF large certainly. I stopped throwing the position around after the second time I got ennobled?

One of them I got "fired" during a broad staff reshuffle because I had like 1/200th the number of bans as the other mods so the head guy assumed I wasn't doing "my job" even though the forum had this feature where mods/admins could put up a warning message that would come up the next time somebody logged in that they had to click ok on. I used this almost exclusively for regular/"known" users.

Like on GAF, I'd have to give Sculli/BobbyRoberts both a day ban or something in order to include the warning message. This just let you put the warning up. Then if the person wouldn't stop, etc.

Of course, for a lot of that I was only a teenager, so I didn't know any better.

[Himu]

I stopped giving a fuck about individual movie reviews after Ebert died. Now I just look at the RT score but even that's not reliable because cac critics will never "get" movies for black people for instance.

Such as?

12 Years a Slave. Compton. Moonlight. Fences. Boo! A Madea Halloween.

The Get Down, The Boondocks, Dreamgirls;etc.

The stuff you listed are pretty mainstream. Something like Fences is coveted because it's based off a famous play. But ultimately it's not a story about blackness although it is certainly a theme and topic within the story. I feel like when things get too black for critics, they don't respond as well. The Boondocks for instance in 46% on RT. I distinctly remember The Get Down's reception and it confirmed my hypothesis and white critics. You've got critics giving it shit and saying it's  bad or insults hip hops origins or whatever, but can't understand the mysticism angle in the first episode, which is clearly blaxploitation/Kung fu film inspired which is a black movie staple. So when they don't understand it, they trash it. Something like Fences is relatable across races. Anyone can empathize with a former baseball player becoming a garbage man type of story. But something like The Boondocks? That's serving a very specific niche and in no way is The Boondocks 46%. This could be my perception but it's what I noticed.

[benjipwns]

That 46% score is only for the first couple episodes of the first season, based on 13 total reviews.

[benjipwns]

The one truly negative review that the link still works for:

NOVEMBER 2, 2005 | 09:00PM PT
Aaron McGruder's anger comes through loud and clear in this adaptation of his comicstrip into an Adult Swim animated series, but the dearth of humor reflects another awkward and disappointing transition from three-panel glory to TV series.

Niftily drawn if haltingly animated, “The Boondocks” is filled with crassness and non sequiturs (a staple of the entire Adult Swim lineup) but proves too self-consciously biting to get under anyone’s skin — regardless of its color — beyond the least-demanding realm of the young-male demo.

Much advance discussion has centered on use of the term “distinguished black fellow” in the program, a distraction from the more provocative effort to tackle race from an African-American perspective that espies bigotry around every corner.

As in the comics, brothers Huey and Riley, ages 10 and 8 (both voiced, the latter especially shrilly, by actress Regina King), live with their granddad (John Witherspoon). The elder boy fancies himself a leftist revolutionary, fantasizing in the premiere about sending rich white people screaming in horror by exposing them to his manifesto.

Granddad, meanwhile, has moved the boys on up from Chicago’s South Side to the suburbs and yearns to bask in the good life, which in the second episode, appropriately titled “Guess Hoe’s Coming to Dinner,” includes naively entering into a relationship with a young golddigger. In the opener, the family encounters a wealthy white banker who bonds with granddad; said banker’s black-talking son, fresh back from Iraq; and a self-loathing black man named Uncle Ruckus.

Like Huey, McGruder is spoiling for a fight, but he’s so busy preaching to the choir as to never really engage the opposition in enough of a dialogue to start one. No wonder the strip’s periodic tirades against the “Star Wars” franchise are often sharper than its race-based material, which in this format risks becoming a one-note screed.

There are fleeting glimpses of wit here, such as granddad muttering that he hates “to see a child go unbeaten.” For the most part, though, the emphasis is on seeking to be “edgy” less because the show needs to than because it can.

About the best thing to be said about “Boondocks” is that it endeavors to be about something, whereas most Adult Swim fare simply tests how juvenile and hallucinogenic latenight animation can get, with names like “Aqua Teen Hunger Force” and the just-introduced “Squidbillies.” Amazing what young guys will watch after a joint and a couple of beers.

No one will confuse McGruder’s creation with “Peanuts,” but that franchise had to tackle the same translation from brief gags on the printed page to create its much-beloved holiday specials — and per the production notes, the Christmas episode will feature Huey’s elementary school play “The Adventures of Black Jesus.”

At least that sounds funny — a neighborhood that the first two installments of “The Boondocks” seldom visits.

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[Phoenix Dark]

There are fleeting glimpses of wit here, such as granddad muttering that he hates “to see a child go unbeaten.”

[Great Rumbler]

The Get Down and Dreamgirls both have pretty decent RT scores, though...

[Himu]

I dunno. It's more than RT. It's the way the reviews are written.

Like this one. Slate....AGAIN. (I hate this site)

www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/2016/08/how_baz_luhrmann_s_the_get_down_butchers_hip_hop_history.html

BUTCHERS hip hop history

[Tasty]

RT for TV is garbage though. Who uses it for that?

Buffy would probably have a 0% if RT was around for s1 (Lord help me if you say that's what it deserves. )

[Himu]

Omg get down back soon!

The Get Down > Stranger Things

[Phoenix Dark]

Moonlight is getting great reviews. Plenty of black movies get praise. I'm not going to stress because average films black people really like sometimes get average reviews.

The Get Down has been criticized by black people for hip hop inaccuracies too, brehette.

[Phoenix Dark]

But what I really hate is white reviews that completely ignore any historical context in relation to music for instance. Not sure whether it's just people who don't know better, or an attempt to rewrite history.

[Coax]

 

Has the vibe of some of Pac's lesser known material like the OG versions of What You Won't Do 4 Love and Happy Home.

[clothedmacuser]

Slate.com used to be cool. Then Jamelle Bouie showed up and made everyone get serious and unfunny.