VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[Phoenix Dark]

That California trans prisoner thread is a minefield.

It's a trap?

[Boredfrom]

Actually the marketing is why I think it did work. I expected a Vader 2.0, but instead it all becomes clear when he removes his helmet and it's revealed he's a perfectly handsome guy underneath. There is nothing actually wrong with him and this is all a try hard act. When it's made clear that he's Han and Leia's child, I only become more intrigued by why he got to this point.

Yet, the story makes it clear from the beginning(he held the laser) that he is clearly powerful, but obviously not focused(the anger at losing Rey).

He's a pretty interesting character and probably the best part of TFA.

It would be interesting if only the story could genuinely make care of explain in a satisfactory way what happened during Episode VI-VII. Otherwise feels like a villain come from nowhere and brainwashed Leia and Solo whiny child and for some reason he and his knights of Ren (HAHAHAH) are able to force Luke to hide but not to beat Mary Rey Sue.

[thisismyusername]

Kylo Ren was the best and most interesting thing about TFA by far imo.

The only interesting part of Ep 7 was Han Solo getting ganked. you know better by now: being around Jedis, never relax.

[Rahxephon91]

Actually the marketing is why I think it did work. I expected a Vader 2.0, but instead it all becomes clear when he removes his helmet and it's revealed he's a perfectly handsome guy underneath. There is nothing actually wrong with him and this is all a try hard act. When it's made clear that he's Han and Leia's child, I only become more intrigued by why he got to this point.

Yet, the story makes it clear from the beginning(he held the laser) that he is clearly powerful, but obviously not focused(the anger at losing Rey).

He's a pretty interesting character and probably the best part of TFA.

It would be interesting if only the story could genuinely make care of explain in a satisfactory way what happened during Episode VI-VII. Otherwise feels like a villain come from nowhere and brainwashed Leia and Solo whiny child and for some reason he and his knights of Ren (HAHAHAH) are able to force Luke to hide but not to beat Mary Rey Sue.

Well I guess for me the mystery for the sake of mystery worked. I'm ready for Episode VIII to reveal that stuff.

[Himu]

That California trans prisoner thread is a minefield.

It's a trap?
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[Phoenix Dark]

That California trans prisoner thread is a minefield.

It's a trap?
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come on it was an easy set up, that's all. levity


How can you hate Kylo tho? He's an interesting, complex character. They aren't forcing you to like him by making him do some dumb "cool" shit. He's conflicted, corny...he's relatable.

And I think he's going to have a cool redemption arc. BTW Finn doesn't do much in TFA and I know some called him a jobber but it's obvious he's going to level up in the next two movies.

[Boredfrom]

Nah, it was obvious that Rey was the Jedi when the "orphan from a sand planet" stitch was revealed in pre release materials. Also Finn with a light saber was pretty obvious JJ Abrams' marketing machine red herring. The guy talks about "mistery box" both is incapable of creating a compelling mistery within his films.

Well I guess for me the mystery for the sake of mystery worked. I'm ready for Episode VIII to reveal that stuff.

The world building is so great that people don't got confused when they mentioned they blowed up the senate planet but it was not the cool city planet of the prequels but some other planet. Abrams cared so much about creating a world and a good mistery that didn't bother to give 2 minute line to explain what the New Order was and just says "look it in the novels or something".

[Himu]

The marketing team fooled everyone.

 Kylo Ren turned out to not be a Darth Vader clone (and the reason he seems similar is because he's a self-conscious Vader weeaboo)

 Finn turned out to not be a Jedi and was generally a comic-relief coward through the whole movie.

 Rey turned out the Jedi.

 The movie was better for it

I loved how the marketing fucked with people.

[zomgee]

To congratulate Hilary Clinton on her many years of service, a representative from Internet website Neo GAF dot com had this to say about her political retirement:

She can fuck off right into oblivion as far as I'm concerned.

Let's not forget that Neo GAF was the 5th highest referrer to Hillary Clinton's campaign website.

It seems the future of the Democratic Party is bright as ever!

[zepblackstar]

This Meryl Streep thing is going to keep me entertained for a couple of days. I can just see it.

[Faction]

Man, I'm sad I got sick and didn't check this site and missed a few pages of geeking out on Buffy. Sigh.

Also, do watch Dollhouse, I was part of the viral effort to save it, I might as well keep at it. Enver (Victor) it best actor in the world and secretly hidden as side character in a show no one watches:(

[zepblackstar]

Everyone was a better actor on that show than Dushku. She was a good part of why it failed.

[Oblivion]

The marketing team fooled everyone.

 Kylo Ren turned out to not be a Darth Vader clone (and the reason he seems similar is because he's a self-conscious Vader weeaboo)

 Finn turned out to not be a Jedi and was generally a comic-relief coward through the whole movie.

 Rey turned out the Jedi.

 The movie was better for it

I loved how the marketing fucked with people.

Uh...was I the only one that actually assumed this was the case for all the characters?

[VomKriege]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227924015

Poe's law ?

Jesus. It's already happening. I'm not fucking getting drafted

[VomKriege]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1332035

Is it okay to feed my dog pizza?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227926506

like she would eaten when if she were born outside in the wildness

I don't mind the whole "real food" thing but dogs are not wild animals, that's the whole point...

[Momo]

domesticate animals over a period of thousands of years brehs

We're just out there tryna succeed where women failed with men.

[nudemacusers]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227924015

Poe's law ?

Jesus. It's already happening. I'm not fucking getting drafted

Wow, I was just on a military base, scary.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1332021

  four years of this. Amazing.

[Trent Dole]

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/relationships/a42034/marrying-yourself-wedding-trend/

"It wasn't an easy decision," she noted on the wedding invitations. "I had cold feet for 35 years. But then I decided it was time to settle down. To get myself a whole damn apartment. To celebrate birthday #36 by wearing an engagement ring and saying: YES TO ME. I even made a registry, because this is America."

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[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1332021

  four years of this. Amazing.

[WanderingWind]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227924015

Poe's law ?

Jesus. It's already happening. I'm not fucking getting drafted

Wow, I was just on a military base, scary.

Once again showing how exactly little these people know about shit they continuously spout off about. First, tanks and other heavy equipment pieces have been back in U.S. Army Europe's hands for years. It was only ever gone for roughly 5-6 months. It's been positioned as a stationary set of military equipment that rotating forces from the states has been using. They've already been deployed across Eastern Europe and the Baltic region for years. The US military has been running massive military convoys throughout Eastern Europe now for years. The people mumbling about Obama's last stand are stupendously out of touch with how long something like a shift from rotational to semi-permanent takes. This has literally been in the works since Crimea, as anybody who has even a slight passing familiarity with EUCOM's publicly-released statements would have.

I cross checked some of the names there. There is quite a bit of overlap between the people who are straight up talking nonsense and the people who are decrying the state of journalism. All of this info, by the way, is easily found from, you know, journalists who have been covering Europe for some time. But I bet you these fucks can tell you the last listicle posted to Cracked.

But LOL JOURNALISM AMIRITE

*fart*
 

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1332021

  four years of this. Amazing.

Because you (and other Bernie supporters) fail to see the big picture and put ALL blame on her when she's only part of the problem? You act as if she got blown out,

Except she did get blown out...

19 of 51 states went to her. 31 of 51 states went to him. How is that not being BTFO? (Not counting Maine which went to both).

"But muh popular vote." It seems like half of GAF grew up in the Obama years and never went through W. Bush (or earlier) elections where the popular vote may say one thing, but the Electoral College says another for this very reason.

[etiolate]

My issue is why is there a Hot Topic edgelord in a world where there is no Hot Topic.

Huh? Fictional works have never had dark and brooding villains before?

He's from a fictional universe where the villains have a specific clothing style.

He's a child who's probably grown up hearing about nothing but the Jedi and Darth Vader. He also has probably Daddy/Mommy/Family issues and is trying to be the thing they probably warned him about the most as a child and dislike themselves.

"Who probably" is the problem. Why he's a Vader weaboo (which is an idea/term that exists in our culture, but doesn't fit into this fictional culture) should probably be understood by the audience, not assumed or guessed at. Considering what we've seen of the Sith and Empire, I don't see sniveling teen boy rising in respect and power. Is it just because of his lineage? Like what's up, because I'm not that scared of J.P. from Grandma's Boy aka Darth Bitchmade.

I guess the problem is that he doesn't seem fully corrupted by the dark side. He seems like he thinks its cool because it looks neat with his black light on. (Again, our pop culture stuff imposed on a fictional world. ) So it just seems out of place. People think he may have a redemption arc because they see the lack of full corruption. So if he's not really corrupted then why? Cuz he thinks its cool looking? That's kind of lame.

[WanderingWind]

He has magic powers and stops laser bolts in their tracks with his mind? And it's shown often that he's basically a squad commander with little authority. He's a school shooter with magic powers. You keep talking about JP, but if that guy was killing people by looking at them everytime some girl talked to Chad instead of him, you'd be more than a little scared of him if he was on the same ship as you.

[Rufus]

"But muh popular vote." It seems like half of GAF grew up in the Obama years and never went through W. Bush (or earlier) elections where the popular vote may say one thing, but the Electoral College says another for this very reason.

Rather a reason to doubt the wisdom behind this set-up.

[etiolate]

I don't want just the major cities deciding everything, so I don't have issue with Electoral College.

The funny part is that that narrative acts as though Hillary was playing a game won by popular vote. Both campaigned around winning the Electoral College. That was the rule of the game and what mattered. Pop vote is like putting up more yards and still losing by 3 touchdowns. This view somehow backtracks into making Hillary look like an idiot who didn't realize EC was the rules to win. I don't get it.

[bork]

My issue is why is there a Hot Topic edgelord in a world where there is no Hot Topic.

Huh? Fictional works have never had dark and brooding villains before?

He's from a fictional universe where the villains have a specific clothing style.

He's a child who's probably grown up hearing about nothing but the Jedi and Darth Vader. He also has probably Daddy/Mommy/Family issues and is trying to be the thing they probably warned him about the most as a child and dislike themselves.

"Who probably" is the problem. Why he's a Vader weaboo (which is an idea/term that exists in our culture, but doesn't fit into this fictional culture) should probably be understood by the audience, not assumed or guessed at. Considering what we've seen of the Sith and Empire, I don't see sniveling teen boy rising in respect and power. Is it just because of his lineage? Like what's up, because I'm not that scared of J.P. from Grandma's Boy aka Darth Bitchmade.

I guess the problem is that he doesn't seem fully corrupted by the dark side. He seems like he thinks its cool because it looks neat with his black light on. (Again, our pop culture stuff imposed on a fictional world. ) So it just seems out of place. People think he may have a redemption arc because they see the lack of full corruption. So if he's not really corrupted then why? Cuz he thinks its cool looking? That's kind of lame.

I think the character is fine, but the actor is the problem.  I just don't see Adam Driver as a menacing warrior turning to the dark side.  He's not Kylo Ren, he's "Kyle O'Ren," the whiny little bitch rebelling against mommy and daddy and wishing he could wear grandpa's cool old war helmet. 

[etiolate]

It might be the actor. I don't know. He just felt like an anomaly at times.

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227933540&postcount=1392

Yeah, someone told me something along the lines of Yoko Taro and friends playing around doing random shit on the rooftop of buildings while butt-naked, then one of the friends fell down and died, but he did have a boner after he died, which made Yoko Taro laugh when he saw his erect dead friend's corpse. I can't comment on the accuracy.

HMM I WONDER

[Boredfrom]

I don't want just the major cities deciding everything, so I don't have issue with Electoral College.

The funny part is that that narrative acts as though Hillary was playing a game won by popular vote. Both campaigned around winning the Electoral College. That was the rule of the game and what mattered. Pop vote is like putting up more yards and still losing by 3 touchdowns. This view somehow backtracks into making Hillary look like an idiot who didn't realize EC was the rules to win. I don't get it.

I think popular vote still should matter but I must agree that Hillary was well aware of the EC. For all his faults, trump campaign strategy was better than hers regarding states.

[octopushover]

Regardless of the pop vote / EC vote split, it's absurd to blame Hillary for following the polls when that's all anybody had to follow. It's also absurd to treat her with the kind of vitriol that NeoGAF is treating her with following an election season that defied expectations at every single step.

Almost half of the voters in the election willfully voted for someone who talks about sexually assaulting women, mocks disabled people, wants to build a wall to keep out immigrants despite exclusively marrying immigrants, and ponders the actual use of nuclear weapons.

And you think that reflects poorly on his opponent? Fuck off, it reflects poorly on your country. People wanted that shit.

Stare in the goddamn abyss, America, because you've been ignoring it for years.

[Himu]

Oh please. Even when you poll well, you still campaign and she ran a bad campaign on top of being a bad candidate. You aren't even American. The fact she loss does reflect badly on her. She lost to the most unliked candidate of all time. Your post absolves her and her campaign from any and all responsibility.

[octopushover]

You're right. I'm not American. I'm part of a world that's looking at your country as a disaster zone. All of you are still trying to place blame while the rest of the world knows whose fault it is and is just cringing the fuck out at your obliviousness.

[Himu]

You're right. I'm not American. I'm part of a world that's looking at your country as a disaster zone. All of you are still trying to place blame while the rest of the world knows whose fault it is and is just cringing the fuck out at your obliviousness.

Yes. We are oblivious.

It makes sense to campaign in Arizona and trying to flip TEXAS instead of actually campaigning (state wide) in key blue states.



Fuck off non-American. You have no idea what you're talking about.

One of the worst things about the election is all the non-American's who having an opinion who have no idea of the process and go on to blame 300 million people as savages. Hopefully you choke to death on your escargot.

[octopushover]

Trump voters are excited -- excited -- about the idea of "liberal tears". You think they would've changed their minds on Bernie? Fuck off with that shit. The democrats were doomed as soon as Trump legitimized that kind of behaviour. A significant portion of your country craves that kind of behaviour. They lust after it.

And the fact that you think that pointing it out means I'm absolving Hillary's campaign of all responsibility is proof of the kind of identity politics that got us here. Everything is one way or the other. Either you're fully left or fully right. Nobody can ever have a nuanced opinion.

And you're REPEATING it by thinking that when people tell you to look at your own country, they're telling you to look at 300 million people instead of the people that ACTIVELY support Trump. You set up strawmen so you don't have to face reality.

[seagrams hotsauce]

who gives a fuck, post more spergs pls

[Himu]

Who said anything about Bernie

[WanderingWind]

Non-Americans weighing in on American politics:

Everything is one way or the other. Either you're fully left or fully right. Nobody can ever have a nuanced opinion.

Also non-Americans weighing in on American politics:

Fuck off, it reflects poorly on your country.

[octopushover]

Who else was there? Either Hillary was a shit candidate who can "fuck off to oblivion" and the alternative would've fared better, or she wasn't nearly as bad as people are saying and ANY democrat would have been fucked.

[octopushover]

Non-Americans weighing in on American politics:

Everything is one way or the other. Either you're fully left or fully right. Nobody can ever have a nuanced opinion.

Also non-Americans weighing in on American politics:

Fuck off, it reflects poorly on your country.

The same way Brexit reflects poorly on the U.K.

[octopushover]

The same way 10 years of Harper reflected badly on Canada.

But no, by all means, take issue with the fact that your country has problems. It's not a millions of people problem, it's a one person problem and she's gone -- whew!

[Himu]

And the fact that you think that pointing it out means I'm absolving Hillary's campaign of all responsibility is proof of the kind of identity politics that got us here. Everything is one way or the other. Either you're fully left or fully right. Nobody can ever have a nuanced opinion.

And you're REPEATING it by thinking that when people tell you to look at your own country, they're telling you to look at 300 million people instead of the people that ACTIVELY support Trump. You set up strawmen so you don't have to face reality.

It's not proof of anything and this has nothing to do with identity politics. You claim there's no nuance in opinion but use this argument as proof I'm anti-left. And that just because I call out the fact that you LITERALLY SAID "it reflects badly on your country" and I point out that you can't judge 300 million people I'm suddenly not looking at the "real" enemy. You're full of shit and probably a Canadian.

[Himu]

The same way 10 years of Harper reflected badly on Canada.

But no, by all means, take issue with the fact that your country has problems. It's not a millions of people problem, it's a one person problem and she's gone -- whew!

Who said this? What kind of deflection is this?!?!?!

[octopushover]

Why would you be anti-left? Where the hell did you get that? And why on earth do you think that "reflecting poorly" somehow condemns an entire country? There is a poison in your country, and when you blame a single person for your faults, you let it spread. THAT is what reflects poorly. You're a disaster zone because instead of thinking critically about your fellow Americans, you single people out and refuse to accept criticism by those who live outside of your country.

[octopushover]

The same way 10 years of Harper reflected badly on Canada.

But no, by all means, take issue with the fact that your country has problems. It's not a millions of people problem, it's a one person problem and she's gone -- whew!

Who said this? What kind of deflection is this?!?!?!

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Sorry -- are you or are you not defending the GAFers who spawned this conversion and place the blame squarely on the Clinton campaign?

[Himu]

I'm not refusing to accept criticism outside my country at all. I criticize my country often. I just think you're a moron and that your "points" are non sequiturs. Your criticism is dull and applied with a wide brush. You have made assumptions this entire discussion. You're just an ass.

[WanderingWind]

Yes, yes. Breaking news from octo: A country has problems. Thank you for the riveting insights. I'm sure nobody has ever made this point before. Nobody has - in the history of anything, ever - disagreed with that. Nobody is "taking issue" with that. But, which is it? Are you looking for nuance, or blanket statements like "your country is as a disaster zone." (par.)

EDIT: Star Wars > Star Trek

[thisismyusername]

You're right. I'm not American. I'm part of a world that's looking at your country as a disaster zone. All of you are still trying to place blame while the rest of the world knows whose fault it is and is just cringing the fuck out at your obliviousness.

If you're British: British Exit. Enough said.

Brits were going "HAHA AMERICA" Nov. 8th when that country pulled the same shit. The rest of the world doesn't have a pot to piss in when it comes to bone-headed moves.

[Himu]

The same way 10 years of Harper reflected badly on Canada.

But no, by all means, take issue with the fact that your country has problems. It's not a millions of people problem, it's a one person problem and she's gone -- whew!

Who said this? What kind of deflection is this?!?!?!

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Sorry -- are you or are you not defending the GAFers who spawned this conversion and place the blame squarely on the Clinton campaign?

Why shouldn't it? They ran up against one of the most dangerous political opponents of all time and gave it away to arrogance. They did not campaign in rural areas. Even Obama threw shade at their campaign and said they campaigned inefficiently. Lots of people are still trying to digest this. As far as many are concerned on gaf, Hillary's campaign screwed the pooch. Many of us who blame Hillary also blame the radicalization of American politics. Many of us also support the idea that liberals helped create the result by being less open for conversation. Instead, Hillary called people deplorable and thought she could get away with it. So good job making a point with a broad brush.

Please choke yourself to death on maple syrup or something. Just chug the entire bottle. Please.

[Himu]

EDIT: Star Wars > Star Trek

No.

No.

As said on gaf, rogue 1 proves star wars to be the lore vacuum it truly is and its inferiority to Trek.

[octopushover]

Here's the thing: you think scapegoating someone is detail. You think placing blame is seeing the forest for the trees. But when a big part of your forest is on fire, you don't go tree to tree and try to figure out which one started the blaze.

Clinton is gone. She's history. But people still focus on her from both sides. The more the left devours itself by continually focusing on her, the more the right wins because they have license to do exactly the same thing. You are still legitimizing Trump's fingerpointing just by trying to place blame.

If you want to take back your country, forget about Clinton's campaign. If you think the next election will be won by campaigning in the rust belt, you're absolutely delusional. The rust belt, despite all polls, was not going democratic this election even if Clinton showed up at more rallies. To take back your country, you need to think about why that's the case.

[WanderingWind]

EDIT: Star Wars > Star Trek

No.

No.

As said on gaf, rogue 1 proves star wars to be the lore vacuum it truly is and its inferiority to Trek.

Implying Star Trek since the reboot has any lore. 

[Himu]

Well someone has to take a blame for this. Donald Trump was elected president. Trying to flip Arizona and Texas () rather than taking care of your own strongholds is inefficient and calls question to your leadership. She lost blue states that hadn't been red since the 80's. But you wouldn't know this because you're not American. And since you're not American you should really just shut the fuck up.

Please read this. PLEASE. And leave us in peace.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/trumps-road-to-victory/507203/

[Himu]

EDIT: Star Wars > Star Trek

No.

No.

As said on gaf, rogue 1 proves star wars to be the lore vacuum it truly is and its inferiority to Trek.

Implying Star Trek since the reboot has any lore. 

Who said anything about the reboot? Star Wars' world building and universe is shallow as fuck.

[WanderingWind]

Here's the thing: you think scapegoating someone is detail. You think placing blame is seeing the forest for the trees. But when a big part of your forest is on fire, you don't go tree to tree and try to figure out which one started the blaze.

Clinton is gone. She's history. But people still focus on her from both sides. The more the left devours itself by continually focusing on her, the more the right wins because they have license to do exactly the same thing. You are still legitimizing Trump's fingerpointing just by trying to place blame.

If you want to take back your country, forget about Clinton's campaign. If you think the next election will be won by campaigning in the rust belt, you're absolutely delusional. The rust belt, despite all polls, was not going democratic this election even if Clinton showed up at more rallies. To take back your country, you need to think about why that's the case.

Man, sorry, but you're really showing how out of touch with how things are here with this one. Nobody that matters has cared about Clinton for a while. I feel like you're getting your impression of things from CNN and GAF. The left that actually does things has long since moved on to challenging Trump's cabinet picks.

[Himu]

Right now, most people are bracing for inauguration day and fighting off his appointments. Please call your representative.

[WanderingWind]

EDIT: Star Wars > Star Trek

No.

No.

As said on gaf, rogue 1 proves star wars to be the lore vacuum it truly is and its inferiority to Trek.

Implying Star Trek since the reboot has any lore. 

Who said anything about the reboot? Star Wars' world building and universe is shallow as fuck.

Hey, both are coasting on nostalgia and PG rated menaces these days. And both seem content to just remake old flicks. At least Star Wars didn't solve things with the power of product placement and rap music.

[Himu]

EDIT: Star Wars > Star Trek

No.

No.

As said on gaf, rogue 1 proves star wars to be the lore vacuum it truly is and its inferiority to Trek.

Implying Star Trek since the reboot has any lore. 

Who said anything about the reboot? Star Wars' world building and universe is shallow as fuck.

Hey, both are coasting on nostalgia and PG rated menaces these days. And both seem content to just remake old flicks. At least Star Wars didn't solve things with the power of product placement and rap music.

At least give the new Trek show a chance before saying this.

Watch what happens.

[WanderingWind]

I'll watch until the first close-up of a "vintage" Chevy Cruze.

[octopushover]

Well someone has to take a blame for this. Donald Trump was elected president. Trying to flip Arizona and Texas () rather than taking care of your own strongholds is inefficient and calls question to your leadership. She lost blue states that hadn't been red since the 80's. But you wouldn't know this because you're not American. And since you're not American you should really just shut the fuck up.

Please read this. PLEASE. And leave us in peace.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/trumps-road-to-victory/507203/

No, non-Americans could never understand American politics. That would be absurd.

It's reductionist to say that losing blue strongholds is due to the candidate rather than due to a fundamental change in the electorate. Hillary could have gone to Michigan and Wisconsin and campaigned but it would not have made a difference. They knew her message. They knew that she was not promising to bring back jobs and was instead looking to create new ones. That didn't matter. It wasn't what they wanted to hear.

As much as you might think that this election was about the establishment being out of touch, and as much as making speeches in rural areas and manufacturing towns might have maybe caused some traditionally blue voters to shrug and say "ok", it would not have been nearly enough.

Stumping is great for a grassroots candidate. Shaking hands and getting your message heard is incredible when you're a unknown. But Hillary wasn't an unknown. Jobs are disappearing and will continue to disappear. When they're confronted by that, people will blame progressive policies because they think they're being left behind.

You are now in an ideological war between a fear of the future and a rejection of the past, and until you can find a way to address that fear beyond waiting for old people to die, conservatism will always win.