VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[Great Rumbler]

I'm thankful that I am a Bore moderator, knowing that demi only has interest in overweight, bearded men and Joe only cares about 2D women. Bless up.

[benjipwns]

as much as other posters that can arbitrarily fill the site with shitposts and terrible behavior

wow shots fired at me out of nowhere

[Dennis]

I absolutely agree with Aenea here about innocent until proven guilty but since Amir0x basically was caught redhanded and confessed to the cops the refusal to allow talk about the subject on GAF ends up looking like an attempt to sweep it under the rug.

His history of being an awful human being does not erase his right to not be labeled a pedophile if in fact it turned out that he was not one. Just like literally anybody else. All we wanted to do was verify that the story was in fact legitimate. The concept of innocence before proven guilt applies to absolutely everyone, regardless of past deeds. Now that it's verified, nobody is trying to hide it or cover it up or any of that garbage that we see you guys spewing in other places. He absolutely deserves whatever the hell you guys want to say about him. Nobody gives a crap.

Regardless, there's literally nothing we could have done that would have satisfied people. We were presented with an absolutely fucking garbage situation and all possible options would have resulted in "bad optics" one way or another. But I will reiterate what I said above: throwing around pedophilia accusations is extremely serious business. Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing. Literally. Any other thing. The severity of those accusations do not change in any case. No matter how shitty someone has been, you want to be reasonably certain about things like that before bandying it about. Well, let me rephrase: I want to be. Obviously many of you disagree. I have my own morals that I won't compromise just because you're bitter.

This is the last thing I'm going to personally say on this matter, because I have no interest in wasting another keystroke in talking about someone who turned out to be the basest form of human garbage to a group of people who are not even being sincere about their outrage in the first place.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=242217588&postcount=145

[agrajag]

my gift to you, Bore

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i use microsoft paint, please forgive me senpai

[close]

Your image editing skills are sub-par, much like your posts.

damn breh, and I thought we were getting on well 

[Let's Cyber]

I do think it's worth checking on the mod list before condemning the mods writ-large because of the significant turn over that's happened and how many more there are now. Aeana obviously has been around, but some of the others aren't as plugged in with GAF and I think some were added to focus on specific communities. Steve's tried to point out here a few times that he's mostly responsible for his beat so to speak and only can speak for himself as he's not necessarily privy to higher up stuff. Some of the mods have seen fit to simply link to Evilore's statement and suggest community threads get back on topic but not punished anyone that I've seen whereas Aeana and besada seemed to have more to say on the topic.

This right here. I don't see the point of treating Steve like a direct proxy to Lore other than to vent.

also I know better than to try and debate with your condescending bitch ass, etiolate   

[cosmicblizzard]

Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing

See, I don't get why Aeana is saying this.  It acknowledges it's bad, but sort of insinuates "oh, it's not THAT bad", or at least not a bannable offense (even though it has been for other posters).  That line of thinking can be applied to so many situations and only serves to downplay Ami's past fuckery.

Like, I'd get it if they acknowledged he was a protected poster and decided to change their stance on things like that, but it shows zero vision for the future.  Only regret that there just HAD to be something that broke the camel's back rather than a guy they could keep around as an abrasive attack dog forever.

[Trurl]

I don't think that GAF necessarily needs to have a thread shitting on Amir0x. It's not important to have people beating their chests to see who can denounce him the most. He's a deeply troubled man who did something really fucked up and now his world is falling apart. It's just weird that he was so tied to GAF's identity and you can't even tell that anything happened by looking at the forum. It seems like it would at least be appropriate to have a stickied post that a acknowledges that something happened.

This post really captures the dilemma
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44500.msg2267395#msg2267395

It's important that people know. The fact you think the only use is for people to beat their chest about who hated Ami the most is weird. I don't get why that wouldn't be something worth talking about when it impacts your site? Given the charges it either just makes you look overly defensive or authoritarian. I'm not sure what the good comes from not allowing it to be discussed?

I didn't mean that the ONLY thing that would come out of a thread is people one upping each other in shitting on him. I guess I meant that for any reason that you can think of to not have a thread, you should still have a visible statement considering what we know.

[Steve Youngblood]

Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing

See, I don't get why Aeana is saying this.  It acknowledges it's bad, but sort of insinuates "oh, it's not THAT bad", or at least not a bannable offense (even though it has been for other posters).  That line of thinking can be applied to so many situations and only serves to downplay Ami's past fuckery.

Like, I'd get it if they acknowledged he was a protected poster and decided to change their stance on things like that, but it shows zero vision for the future.  Only regret that there just HAD to be something that broke the camel's back rather than a guy they could keep around as an abrasive attack dog forever.

I mean, at the risk of just inadvertently giving more incriminating fuel for the fire, I can kind of understand why people think he was protected from the outside. But the inside baseball was that we felt like the guy was often punished. Longstanding posters are given more slack than junior members who are permabanned for any offense that results in a ban. I mean, folks like ToxicAdam, speculawyer, and PD racked up 20+ bans before permanently being banned. Himuro racked up 22 bans across multiple accounts. As a former moderator I think that also sort of gave some reticence to just permanently kick his ass to the curb.

But in the meantime he had been banned 11 times with a note that said "permanently ban on next offense" after a 3 month ban in December. Should he have been permanently booted after, I don't know, 5 bans? I don't know. Maybe. But I'm also not sure that that's a major PR win for NeoGAF dot com either as he was still a former moderator.

[Himu]

Steve, sorry I was harsh. But this is serious and the way it's handled is frightening. I know you guys have cool people there on the moderation team who have helped me in the past most particularly you, and I'm grateful for it, but holy shit.

[Propagandhim]

If I had to give some last constructive criticism, because tbh people were kinda attacking Steve even though he's a pretty good individual mod and can't speak for others obviously:

 Why not just keep a thread open addressing the public, who might be literally triggered or affected by thee things, that an ex-mod and influential, well-known poster was involved in these things in some sort of statement?

 Stick/lock that shit even and take away all the other inflammatory threads, y'know like you bother to do with E3 press conferences and the joke of an AD reporting thread that openly advertises a huge malware problem.

 Instead it's just complete silence, even going into self-contained community threads and telling them to stop because a few posts there can cause (? ? ? exactly?), and mods using apologetic terms and pretending to not know him or his name(which just seems suspect because we know that's a damn lie) when it's brought up in an obscure or locked thread.

 Common sense y'all

The answer is simple:  Evillore doesn't want NeoGAF to be implicated in Amir0x's fuckery.  He doesn't want anyone to even associate his name with NeoGAF anymore than it already does in search results. And you know, that's kind of reasonable.  In reality, the people running NeoGAF have no authorship or responsibility for Amir0x.  What I don't understand is that nobody insists on keeping that discussion open.  There is no acknowledgement of how bizarre it is to completely shut down conversation.  There is only a contingent of appeasers rushing to threads to rationalize why it would be futile and unproductive to have a thread about Amir0x.  Everyone knows this sort of discussion is a no-no.  It's like some shitty North Korea and nobody is willing to pull an Otto Warmbier and tear down the trans/minority character Overwatch posters.

[etiolate]

The fact that Adam and PD had more bans than Ami kind of displays what's wrong.

[Dennis]

Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing

See, I don't get why Aeana is saying this.  It acknowledges it's bad, but sort of insinuates "oh, it's not THAT bad", or at least not a bannable offense (even though it has been for other posters).  That line of thinking can be applied to so many situations and only serves to downplay Ami's past fuckery.

Like, I'd get it if they acknowledged he was a protected poster and decided to change their stance on things like that, but it shows zero vision for the future.  Only regret that there just HAD to be something that broke the camel's back rather than a guy they could keep around as an abrasive attack dog forever.

I mean, at the risk of just inadvertently giving more incriminating fuel for the fire, I can kind of understand why people think he was protected from the outside. But the inside baseball was that we felt like the guy was often punished. Longstanding posters are given more slack than junior members who are permabanned for any offense that results in a ban. I mean, folks like ToxicAdam, speculawyer, and PD racked up 20+ bans before permanently being banned. Himuro racked up 22 bans across multiple accounts. As a former moderator I think that also sort of gave some reticence to just permanently kick his ass to the curb.

But in the meantime he had been banned 11 times with a note that said "permanently ban on next offense" after a 3 month ban in December. Should he have been permanently booted after, I don't know, 5 bans? I don't know. Maybe. But I'm also not sure that that's a major PR win for NeoGAF dot com either as he was still a former moderator.

But why not just straight up tell him and other aggressive insulting ban-baiting posters that their behavior is unacceptable and undesired?

It ends up coming across like the moderation team condone the current behavior of posters like that. GAF has changed a lot over the recent years with what appears like a deliberate attempt to push out old time users.

[railGUN]

If a prominent alt-righter, or gamer gater had been caught with child porn, and was stupid/arrogant enough to actually try to defend themselves with the stupid fucking reason Amir0x came up with, there would be a 50 page thread about it. It would be brimming with the core of NeoGAF guffawing about how stupid and pathetic and disgusting the person was. And that would be just fucking fine. I would honestly expect no less. It would be absolutely, positively deserved.

But, because the prominent person happens to be a "GAFFER", who was friends with staff, friends with a large portion of the community, and even worked for the fucking website for the better part of a decade, it's swept under the rug, and people are upset that others want to discuss this. The "boss" of this website even had the gaul to make a post about it and then locked the thread, ensuring that it would die almost immediately. And then other staff attempt to brush it off, or pull this innocent until proven guilty bullshit (despite this mother fucker admitting to it, straight up), or, and I can't even fucking believe it, ask how they would feel if they were the victim of such a thing.

Why on Gods green earth would anyone associate with that place? You're part of a community that values the brand of a single employee LLC and a pathetic, worthless, mother beating, heroin addicted pedophile over integrity and transparency and decency. And some people even further that disgusting place by volunteering to run it.

Take a walk, get some fresh air, look up at the stars and ask yourself... why the fuck would I ever want to be a part of that?

[Huff]

The Ami thing is funny in a bad way but yal caring way too much about the response or what not

GAF lost all real since of nuisance and discussion ages ago - literally only good for trolling SNESdude and other ninthings

Not sure why Steve and the others still see value in spending free time on the place, but this situation/handling isn't on then.

[Himu]

If I had to give some last constructive criticism, because tbh people were kinda attacking Steve even though he's a pretty good individual mod and can't speak for others obviously:

 Why not just keep a thread open addressing the public, who might be literally triggered or affected by thee things, that an ex-mod and influential, well-known poster was involved in these things in some sort of statement?

 Stick/lock that shit even and take away all the other inflammatory threads, y'know like you bother to do with E3 press conferences and the joke of an AD reporting thread that openly advertises a huge malware problem.

 Instead it's just complete silence, even going into self-contained community threads and telling them to stop because a few posts there can cause (? ? ? exactly?), and mods using apologetic terms and pretending to not know him or his name(which just seems suspect because we know that's a damn lie) when it's brought up in an obscure or locked thread.

 Common sense y'all

The answer is simple:  Evillore doesn't want NeoGAF to be implicated in Amir0x's fuckery.  He doesn't want anyone to even associate his name with NeoGAF anymore than it already does in search results. And you know, that's kind of reasonable.  In reality, the people running NeoGAF have no authorship or responsibility for Amir0x.  What I don't understand is that nobody insists on keeping that discussion open.  There is no acknowledgement of how bizarre it is to completely shut down conversation.  There is only a contingent of appeasers rushing to threads to rationalize why it would be futile and unproductive to have a thread about Amir0x.  Everyone knows this sort of discussion is a no-no.  It's like some shitty North Korea and nobody is willing to pull an Otto Warmbier and tear down the trans/minority character Overwatch posters.

It seems reasonable until it's blatant that it's being swept under the rug. It's obvious that stickying a statement denouncing him and throwing him in the trash would have been fine. Everyone would have been fine with that. If it were more transparent Evi CLEARLY SAID,"you know, I don't want this site to have anything to do with this monster and i would like to not have his awful antics brought up on this site" it would be worth respect. I wouldn't agree with it, but I could respect it. Instead, by sweeping it under the rug they implicate Neogaf. Their reaction is doing the exact opposite. I was talking to Segata last night and we both agree that Ami has something on Lore that Lore doesn't want anyone to know. Why do we think that? His response to the situation. Now the rumors that Neogaf is a kiddie porn haven will spread even more, even with the Ami thing not in spite of but because of the staffs response.

[Boredfrom]

Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing

See, I don't get why Aeana is saying this.  It acknowledges it's bad, but sort of insinuates "oh, it's not THAT bad", or at least not a bannable offense (even though it has been for other posters).  That line of thinking can be applied to so many situations and only serves to downplay Ami's past fuckery.

Like, I'd get it if they acknowledged he was a protected poster and decided to change their stance on things like that, but it shows zero vision for the future.  Only regret that there just HAD to be something that broke the camel's back rather than a guy they could keep around as an abrasive attack dog forever.

I mean, at the risk of just inadvertently giving more incriminating fuel for the fire, I can kind of understand why people think he was protected from the outside. But the inside baseball was that we felt like the guy was often punished. Longstanding posters are given more slack than junior members who are permabanned for any offense that results in a ban. I mean, folks like ToxicAdam, speculawyer, and PD racked up 20+ bans before permanently being banned. Himuro racked up 22 bans across multiple accounts. As a former moderator I think that also sort of gave some reticence to just permanently kick his ass to the curb.

But in the meantime he had been banned 11 times with a note that said "permanently ban on next offense" after a 3 month ban in December. Should he have been permanently booted after, I don't know, 5 bans? I don't know. Maybe. But I'm also not sure that that's a major PR win for NeoGAF dot com either as he was still a former moderator.

No offense but that sounds unfair as hell. Non junior members have been banned for months because they disagreed with a mod while older posters get one week ban for ban baiting others.

[nachobro]

I'm just going to say one more thing and leave it at that. Moderating GAF isn't our "job."

so you defend the honor of pedophiles on a video game forum for fun instead. as the neogaf pantshitters and mods like to say "no action an action in and of itself" so i guess even by doing nothing you are defending him

[Propagandhim]

If I had to give some last constructive criticism, because tbh people were kinda attacking Steve even though he's a pretty good individual mod and can't speak for others obviously:

 Why not just keep a thread open addressing the public, who might be literally triggered or affected by thee things, that an ex-mod and influential, well-known poster was involved in these things in some sort of statement?

 Stick/lock that shit even and take away all the other inflammatory threads, y'know like you bother to do with E3 press conferences and the joke of an AD reporting thread that openly advertises a huge malware problem.

 Instead it's just complete silence, even going into self-contained community threads and telling them to stop because a few posts there can cause (? ? ? exactly?), and mods using apologetic terms and pretending to not know him or his name(which just seems suspect because we know that's a damn lie) when it's brought up in an obscure or locked thread.

 Common sense y'all

The answer is simple:  Evillore doesn't want NeoGAF to be implicated in Amir0x's fuckery.  He doesn't want anyone to even associate his name with NeoGAF anymore than it already does in search results. And you know, that's kind of reasonable.  In reality, the people running NeoGAF have no authorship or responsibility for Amir0x.  What I don't understand is that nobody insists on keeping that discussion open.  There is no acknowledgement of how bizarre it is to completely shut down conversation.  There is only a contingent of appeasers rushing to threads to rationalize why it would be futile and unproductive to have a thread about Amir0x.  Everyone knows this sort of discussion is a no-no.  It's like some shitty North Korea and nobody is willing to pull an Otto Warmbier and tear down the trans/minority character Overwatch posters.

It seems reasonable until it's blatant that it's being swept under the rug. It's obvious that stickying a statement denouncing him and throwing him in the trash would have been fine. Everyone would have been fine with that. If it were more transparent Evi CLEARLY SAID,"you know, I don't want this site to have anything to do with this monster and i would like to not have his awful antics brought up on this site" it would be worth respect. I wouldn't agree with it, but I could respect it. Instead, by sweeping it under the rug they implicate Neogaf. Their reaction is doing the exact opposite. I was talking to Segata last night and we both agree that Ami has something on Lore that Lore doesn't want anyone to know. Why do we think that? His response to the situation. Now the rumors that Neogaf is a kiddie porn haven will spread even more, even with the Ami thing not in spite of but because of the staffs response.

Oh, for sure.

[parallax]

Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing

See, I don't get why Aeana is saying this.  It acknowledges it's bad, but sort of insinuates "oh, it's not THAT bad", or at least not a bannable offense (even though it has been for other posters).  That line of thinking can be applied to so many situations and only serves to downplay Ami's past fuckery.

Like, I'd get it if they acknowledged he was a protected poster and decided to change their stance on things like that, but it shows zero vision for the future.  Only regret that there just HAD to be something that broke the camel's back rather than a guy they could keep around as an abrasive attack dog forever.

I mean, at the risk of just inadvertently giving more incriminating fuel for the fire, I can kind of understand why people think he was protected from the outside. But the inside baseball was that we felt like the guy was often punished. Longstanding posters are given more slack than junior members who are permabanned for any offense that results in a ban. I mean, folks like ToxicAdam, speculawyer, and PD racked up 20+ bans before permanently being banned. Himuro racked up 22 bans across multiple accounts. As a former moderator I think that also sort of gave some reticence to just permanently kick his ass to the curb.

But in the meantime he had been banned 11 times with a note that said "permanently ban on next offense" after a 3 month ban in December. Should he have been permanently booted after, I don't know, 5 bans? I don't know. Maybe. But I'm also not sure that that's a major PR win for NeoGAF dot com either as he was still a former moderator.

honestly, do toxic, pd, himu, and speculawyer have anything on their bans of the scale of him scamming people for money? or on public record of him attacking his mother? despite the amount that they have, the severity of amiroxs transgressions should mean a lot more than the amount of bans that other posters have racked up. if kevincow can get banned for his attempted suicide, then i dont see why amirox was still posting on gaf past 2010

[cosmicblizzard]

Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing

See, I don't get why Aeana is saying this.  It acknowledges it's bad, but sort of insinuates "oh, it's not THAT bad", or at least not a bannable offense (even though it has been for other posters).  That line of thinking can be applied to so many situations and only serves to downplay Ami's past fuckery.

Like, I'd get it if they acknowledged he was a protected poster and decided to change their stance on things like that, but it shows zero vision for the future.  Only regret that there just HAD to be something that broke the camel's back rather than a guy they could keep around as an abrasive attack dog forever.

I mean, at the risk of just inadvertently giving more incriminating fuel for the fire, I can kind of understand why people think he was protected from the outside. But the inside baseball was that we felt like the guy was often punished. Longstanding posters are given more slack than junior members who are permabanned for any offense that results in a ban. I mean, folks like ToxicAdam, speculawyer, and PD racked up 20+ bans before permanently being banned. Himuro racked up 22 bans across multiple accounts. As a former moderator I think that also sort of gave some reticence to just permanently kick his ass to the curb.

But in the meantime he had been banned 11 times with a note that said "permanently ban on next offense" after a 3 month ban in December. Should he have been permanently booted after, I don't know, 5 bans? I don't know. Maybe. But I'm also not sure that that's a major PR win for NeoGAF dot com either as he was still a former moderator.

Sure, that makes sense if we're comparing it to juniors, but proper members who have been around for years don't get that kind of leeway.  I was very active on Gaf for 7 years, accumulating I believe only 3 or 4 bans before I was perm'd and given a super obscure "not a good fit" ban message with no post link, so I didn't even know what I did.  Hell, I even had a good and regular relationship with 5+ other mods (directly working with 2 of them), yet no favoritism there.

The severity of the offense should logically determine the severity of the punishment, and it seemed many people got permabanned for things half as a severe as stuff Ami said AS A MOD.  And these people weren't given a long leash like some of the mod favorites, they were given 1 or 2 bans prior for relatively innocuous stuff. 

This kind of event should really invoke some kind of "hey maybe favoritism is a bad thing" discussion, but instead the focus seems to be on what the guy went out on rather than the years of lesser heinous shit that go against the TOS, even when in a position of power.

And I get it, you're not an admin or anything and have no control over the collective will of the team, so I don't mean to attack you directly, but this is how the whole situation looks to me.

[Steve Youngblood]

I'm just going to say one more thing and leave it at that. Moderating GAF isn't our "job."

so you defend the honor of pedophiles on a video game forum for fun instead. as the neogaf pantshitters and mods like to say "no action an action in and of itself" so i guess even by doing nothing you are defending him

Is this really necessary?

[etiolate]

Let me put it this way Steve.

I'm not attacking you. I'm not after you. I'm not using you to vent my anger at the site. This isn't about petty bans.

I'm trying to find if anyone in charge over there has any moral decency. I have tried to explain to you the severity of this.  This event requires a significant response and change of direction.  To treat this like e-drama is unfathomable to me.

[OnlyRegret]

ALERT ALERT
PROOF THAT MODS DON'T LIKE THAT GUY

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44500.msg2196480#msg2196480

stop bullying steve

stop bullying steve

[Himu]

Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing

See, I don't get why Aeana is saying this.  It acknowledges it's bad, but sort of insinuates "oh, it's not THAT bad", or at least not a bannable offense (even though it has been for other posters).  That line of thinking can be applied to so many situations and only serves to downplay Ami's past fuckery.

Like, I'd get it if they acknowledged he was a protected poster and decided to change their stance on things like that, but it shows zero vision for the future.  Only regret that there just HAD to be something that broke the camel's back rather than a guy they could keep around as an abrasive attack dog forever.

I mean, at the risk of just inadvertently giving more incriminating fuel for the fire, I can kind of understand why people think he was protected from the outside. But the inside baseball was that we felt like the guy was often punished. Longstanding posters are given more slack than junior members who are permabanned for any offense that results in a ban. I mean, folks like ToxicAdam, speculawyer, and PD racked up 20+ bans before permanently being banned. Himuro racked up 22 bans across multiple accounts. As a former moderator I think that also sort of gave some reticence to just permanently kick his ass to the curb.

But in the meantime he had been banned 11 times with a note that said "permanently ban on next offense" after a 3 month ban in December. Should he have been permanently booted after, I don't know, 5 bans? I don't know. Maybe. But I'm also not sure that that's a major PR win for NeoGAF dot com either as he was still a former moderator.

honestly, do toxic, pd, himu, and speculawyer have anything on their bans of the scale of him scamming people for money? or on public record of him attacking his mother? despite the amount that they have, the severity of amiroxs transgressions should mean a lot more than the amount of bans that other posters have racked up. if kevincow can get banned for his attempted suicide, then i dont see why amirox was still posting on gaf past 2010

I don't need a defense. My bans were deserved under the metric of the site. I have no grudge against my bans including my latest perma. If that's how they feel, fine.

My problem is caping for a man who had pictures of a four year old on his phone.

[Huff]

I'm sitting here watching dota replays drinking boxed wine and am still way less pathetic than yal losers crying about gafs intergrity

Steve, we still cool to hang when I move to the Midwest?

[nachobro]

Is this really necessary?

no but its fun. this whole thing is equal parts disgusting and hilarious, much like it must be to moderate the playpen at neogaf dot com

[Atramental]

no bully pls 

wheew I am drunk right now. Gonna chill at Waffle House and get some hash browns 🤤

[agrajag]

If leaving Amir0x threads open on NeoGAF amounts to nothing but posters chest thumping and tripping over themselves to claim they hated him more, how come a multiple page thread on Milo Yaniapolus was allowed? With all the usual suspects chiming in, like Frozenprince, MHWilliams, Massive Duck, and others  to throw their $0.02 in the hat. The same people that are all "move along, nothing to see here" with the current situation.

[Boredfrom]

Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing

See, I don't get why Aeana is saying this.  It acknowledges it's bad, but sort of insinuates "oh, it's not THAT bad", or at least not a bannable offense (even though it has been for other posters).  That line of thinking can be applied to so many situations and only serves to downplay Ami's past fuckery.

Like, I'd get it if they acknowledged he was a protected poster and decided to change their stance on things like that, but it shows zero vision for the future.  Only regret that there just HAD to be something that broke the camel's back rather than a guy they could keep around as an abrasive attack dog forever.

I mean, at the risk of just inadvertently giving more incriminating fuel for the fire, I can kind of understand why people think he was protected from the outside. But the inside baseball was that we felt like the guy was often punished. Longstanding posters are given more slack than junior members who are permabanned for any offense that results in a ban. I mean, folks like ToxicAdam, speculawyer, and PD racked up 20+ bans before permanently being banned. Himuro racked up 22 bans across multiple accounts. As a former moderator I think that also sort of gave some reticence to just permanently kick his ass to the curb.

But in the meantime he had been banned 11 times with a note that said "permanently ban on next offense" after a 3 month ban in December. Should he have been permanently booted after, I don't know, 5 bans? I don't know. Maybe. But I'm also not sure that that's a major PR win for NeoGAF dot com either as he was still a former moderator.

Sure, that makes sense if we're comparing it to juniors, but proper members who have been around for years don't get that kind of leeway.  I was very active on Gaf for 7 years, accumulating I believe only 3 or 4 bans before I was perm'd and given a super obscure "not a good fit" ban message with no post link, so I didn't even know what I did.

The severity of the offense should logically determine the severity of the punishment, and it seemed many people got permabanned for things half as a severe as stuff Ami said AS A MOD.  And these people weren't given a long leash like some of the mod favorites, they were given 1 or 2 bans prior for relatively innocuous stuff. 

This kind of event should really invoke some kind of "hey maybe favoritism is a bad thing" discussion, but instead the focus seems to be on what the guy went out on rather than the years of lesser heinous shit that go against the TOS, even when in a position of power.

And I get it, you're not an admin or anything and have no control over the collective will of the team, so I don't mean to attack you directly, but this is how the whole situation looks to me.

Lol I got the exact message. Let me guess, one of your last discussions there were JRPG related?

[Dennis]

I'm just going to say one more thing and leave it at that. Moderating GAF isn't our "job."

so you defend the honor of pedophiles on a video game forum for fun instead. as the neogaf pantshitters and mods like to say "no action an action in and of itself" so i guess even by doing nothing you are defending him

Is this really necessary?

No it is not necessary and in no way do I think you are defending Amir0x.

But I wish the moderation staff would understand that people can be upset with the way GAF is handling this without it being an attack.

I like posting on GAF. I made friends there. This is upsetting.

[parallax]

Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing

See, I don't get why Aeana is saying this.  It acknowledges it's bad, but sort of insinuates "oh, it's not THAT bad", or at least not a bannable offense (even though it has been for other posters).  That line of thinking can be applied to so many situations and only serves to downplay Ami's past fuckery.

Like, I'd get it if they acknowledged he was a protected poster and decided to change their stance on things like that, but it shows zero vision for the future.  Only regret that there just HAD to be something that broke the camel's back rather than a guy they could keep around as an abrasive attack dog forever.

I mean, at the risk of just inadvertently giving more incriminating fuel for the fire, I can kind of understand why people think he was protected from the outside. But the inside baseball was that we felt like the guy was often punished. Longstanding posters are given more slack than junior members who are permabanned for any offense that results in a ban. I mean, folks like ToxicAdam, speculawyer, and PD racked up 20+ bans before permanently being banned. Himuro racked up 22 bans across multiple accounts. As a former moderator I think that also sort of gave some reticence to just permanently kick his ass to the curb.

But in the meantime he had been banned 11 times with a note that said "permanently ban on next offense" after a 3 month ban in December. Should he have been permanently booted after, I don't know, 5 bans? I don't know. Maybe. But I'm also not sure that that's a major PR win for NeoGAF dot com either as he was still a former moderator.

honestly, do toxic, pd, himu, and speculawyer have anything on their bans of the scale of him scamming people for money? or on public record of him attacking his mother? despite the amount that they have, the severity of amiroxs transgressions should mean a lot more than the amount of bans that other posters have racked up. if kevincow can get banned for his attempted suicide, then i dont see why amirox was still posting on gaf past 2010

I don't need a defense. My bans were deserved under the metric of the site.

im not defending you, its the scale of things. the severity of his issues should have metted him a perm a long ass time ago, and yet here we are having this discussion

[nachobro]

If leaving Amir0x threads open on NeoGAF amounts to nothing but posters chest thumping and tripping over themselves to claim they hated him more, how come a multiple page thread on Milo Yaniapolus was allowed? With all the usual suspects chiming in, like Frozenprince, MHWilliams, Massive Duck, and others chiming to throw their $0.02 in the hat. The same people that are all "move along, nothing to see here" with the current situation.

pretty much my thought. if this exact thing happened to a moderator of some alt right subreddit all the same people telling folks "move on" or "whats the point of a thread" would be celebrating.

[railGUN]

Look up how long I was a member for, and what I caught my perm for. 

Make no mistake, I wouldn't cross the street to piss on NeoGAF if it was on fire.

[Propagandhim]

no bully pls 

wheew I am drunk right now. Gonna chill at Waffle House and get some hash browns 🤤

[clothedmacuser]

Also steve, what about that one poster mac?  He only had like 5 bans or so and he was permed by bish for saying "There shouldn't be a police investigation opened on a person if they don't support the BLM political group."

Will he get justice now that we know Bish was on a ego-crazied spree to purify GAF?  Asking for a friend.

 

[Huff]

I like posting on GAF. I made friends there. This is upsetting.

[Dennis]

Also steve, what about that one poster mac?  He only had like 5 bans or so and he was permed by bish for saying "There shouldn't be a police investigation opened on a person if they don't support the BLM political group."

Will he get justice now that we know Bish was on a ego-crazied spree to purify GAF?  Asking for a friend.

 

lol you are mac?

I never realized.

I am Lime by the way.

[Dennis]

I like posting on GAF. I made friends there. This is upsetting.

(Image removed from quote.)

Sorry I am not edgy and cynical enough.

[benjipwns]

If leaving Amir0x threads open on NeoGAF amounts to nothing but posters chest thumping and tripping over themselves to claim they hated him more, how come a multiple page thread on Milo Yaniapolus was allowed? With all the usual suspects chiming in, like Frozenprince, MHWilliams, Massive Duck, and others chiming to throw their $0.02 in the hat. The same people that are all "move along, nothing to see here" with the current situation.

Milo only said there was possibly merit to having sex with 13 year old males, he's never trafficked in child porn that I'm aware of. If you can't see the difference then I'm tired of explaining it to you gator scum.

[agrajag]

I'm just going to say one more thing and leave it at that. Moderating GAF isn't our "job."

so you defend the honor of pedophiles on a video game forum for fun instead. as the neogaf pantshitters and mods like to say "no action an action in and of itself" so i guess even by doing nothing you are defending him

Is this really necessary?

No it is not necessary and in no way do I think you are defending Amir0x.

But I wish the moderation staff would understand that people can be upset with the way GAF is handling this without it being an attack.

I liked posting on GAF. I made friends there. This is upsetting.

ftfy Dennis!

[clothedmacuser]

lol you are mac?

I never realized.

I am Lime by the way.

You sir, have the ego of Lime(s) but none of the UNABOMBER verbiage.

[Propagandhim]

Also steve, what about that one poster mac?  He only had like 5 bans or so and he was permed by bish for saying "There shouldn't be a police investigation opened on a person if they don't support the BLM political group."

Will he get justice now that we know Bish was on a ego-crazied spree to purify GAF?  Asking for a friend.

 

Are you Mac?  That dude was hilarious.

[clothedmacuser]

This was my favorite quote chain.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=158626036&postcount=35


Not sure why those other two clowns get to stick around.

[cosmicblizzard]

Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing

See, I don't get why Aeana is saying this.  It acknowledges it's bad, but sort of insinuates "oh, it's not THAT bad", or at least not a bannable offense (even though it has been for other posters).  That line of thinking can be applied to so many situations and only serves to downplay Ami's past fuckery.

Like, I'd get it if they acknowledged he was a protected poster and decided to change their stance on things like that, but it shows zero vision for the future.  Only regret that there just HAD to be something that broke the camel's back rather than a guy they could keep around as an abrasive attack dog forever.

I mean, at the risk of just inadvertently giving more incriminating fuel for the fire, I can kind of understand why people think he was protected from the outside. But the inside baseball was that we felt like the guy was often punished. Longstanding posters are given more slack than junior members who are permabanned for any offense that results in a ban. I mean, folks like ToxicAdam, speculawyer, and PD racked up 20+ bans before permanently being banned. Himuro racked up 22 bans across multiple accounts. As a former moderator I think that also sort of gave some reticence to just permanently kick his ass to the curb.

But in the meantime he had been banned 11 times with a note that said "permanently ban on next offense" after a 3 month ban in December. Should he have been permanently booted after, I don't know, 5 bans? I don't know. Maybe. But I'm also not sure that that's a major PR win for NeoGAF dot com either as he was still a former moderator.

Sure, that makes sense if we're comparing it to juniors, but proper members who have been around for years don't get that kind of leeway.  I was very active on Gaf for 7 years, accumulating I believe only 3 or 4 bans before I was perm'd and given a super obscure "not a good fit" ban message with no post link, so I didn't even know what I did.

The severity of the offense should logically determine the severity of the punishment, and it seemed many people got permabanned for things half as a severe as stuff Ami said AS A MOD.  And these people weren't given a long leash like some of the mod favorites, they were given 1 or 2 bans prior for relatively innocuous stuff. 

This kind of event should really invoke some kind of "hey maybe favoritism is a bad thing" discussion, but instead the focus seems to be on what the guy went out on rather than the years of lesser heinous shit that go against the TOS, even when in a position of power.

And I get it, you're not an admin or anything and have no control over the collective will of the team, so I don't mean to attack you directly, but this is how the whole situation looks to me.

Lol I got the exact message. Let me guess, one of your last discussions there were JRPG related?

IIRC, nope. Was defending James Rolfe from Ghostbusters-related harassment and saying Total Biscuit wasn't privileged because he was dying of cancer.

[Tristam]

It's remarkable that amir0x talked to the police in exactly the same way he would try to defend his crimes if they were first reported on GAF and he had only GAF posters to answer to and not, you know, the law.

[Mr. Nobody]

Steve, you banned me for making a joke at the Switch's expense but let Amirox roam free even before revent developments.

Let that marinate 

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1399266

 

[agrajag]

It's remarkable that amir0x talked to the police in exactly the same way he would try to defend his crimes if they were first reported on GAF and he had only GAF posters to answer to and not, you know, the law.

I noticed that too. He's so disconnected from real life that he treats his interactions with human beings as if they were forum posts. "Well, technically I'm an ephebophile, your honor"

[Shuri]

  an amnesty program is the only way Neogaf can make things right.

[nudemacusers]

This was my favorite quote chain.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=158626036&postcount=35


Not sure why those other two clowns get to stick around.

Lookism would be my guess

[Boredfrom]

Yes, even about a guy you're mad at because he banned you on net jeff or because he scammed you out of money or literally any other thing

See, I don't get why Aeana is saying this.  It acknowledges it's bad, but sort of insinuates "oh, it's not THAT bad", or at least not a bannable offense (even though it has been for other posters).  That line of thinking can be applied to so many situations and only serves to downplay Ami's past fuckery.

Like, I'd get it if they acknowledged he was a protected poster and decided to change their stance on things like that, but it shows zero vision for the future.  Only regret that there just HAD to be something that broke the camel's back rather than a guy they could keep around as an abrasive attack dog forever.

I mean, at the risk of just inadvertently giving more incriminating fuel for the fire, I can kind of understand why people think he was protected from the outside. But the inside baseball was that we felt like the guy was often punished. Longstanding posters are given more slack than junior members who are permabanned for any offense that results in a ban. I mean, folks like ToxicAdam, speculawyer, and PD racked up 20+ bans before permanently being banned. Himuro racked up 22 bans across multiple accounts. As a former moderator I think that also sort of gave some reticence to just permanently kick his ass to the curb.

But in the meantime he had been banned 11 times with a note that said "permanently ban on next offense" after a 3 month ban in December. Should he have been permanently booted after, I don't know, 5 bans? I don't know. Maybe. But I'm also not sure that that's a major PR win for NeoGAF dot com either as he was still a former moderator.

Sure, that makes sense if we're comparing it to juniors, but proper members who have been around for years don't get that kind of leeway.  I was very active on Gaf for 7 years, accumulating I believe only 3 or 4 bans before I was perm'd and given a super obscure "not a good fit" ban message with no post link, so I didn't even know what I did.

The severity of the offense should logically determine the severity of the punishment, and it seemed many people got permabanned for things half as a severe as stuff Ami said AS A MOD.  And these people weren't given a long leash like some of the mod favorites, they were given 1 or 2 bans prior for relatively innocuous stuff. 

This kind of event should really invoke some kind of "hey maybe favoritism is a bad thing" discussion, but instead the focus seems to be on what the guy went out on rather than the years of lesser heinous shit that go against the TOS, even when in a position of power.

And I get it, you're not an admin or anything and have no control over the collective will of the team, so I don't mean to attack you directly, but this is how the whole situation looks to me.

Lol I got the exact message. Let me guess, one of your last discussions there were JRPG related?

IIRC, nope. Was defending James Rolfe from Ghostbusters-related harassment and saying Total Biscuit wasn't privileged because he was dying of cancer.

Mhhh... That still aligns with my suspicions. I think I got banned because I mentioned how silly is complaining and asking a developer that is doing a fanservice game to "be honest and make a porn game" when the porn game market (and the PC market for that matter) in Japan probably is not big enough to support a dungeon crawler from a veteran studio.

[Huff]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1399266

 

It's a reversal of the normal circumstance of family keeping elderly members "functionally alive" with no chance of recovery, but dying with diginity is thing no matter what age

[Steve Youngblood]

Steve, you banned me for making a joke at the Switch's expense but let Amirox roam free even before revent developments.

Let that marinate 

Dude, come on. That was the laziest of troll posts. I issue almost zero bans these days, but that was just low hanging fruit that was going to result in like a dozen derail posts whining about how shitty of a troll post that was. It was a temp ban that was only as long as it was because you had racked up something like 10 bans in the past year or something. I'd check, but I'm blanking on what your GAF name is right now.

[nudemacusers]

Steve, you banned me for making a joke at the Switch's expense but let Amirox roam free even before revent developments.

Let that marinate 

Dude, come on. That was the laziest of troll posts. I issue almost zero bans these days, but that was just low hanging fruit that was going to result in like a dozen derail posts whining about how shitty of a troll post that was. It was a temp ban that was only as long as it was because you had racked up something like 10 bans in the past year or something. I'd check, but I'm blanking on what your GAF name is right now.

It's Dennis

[Mr. Nobody]

Steve, you banned me for making a joke at the Switch's expense but let Amirox roam free even before revent developments.

Let that marinate 

Dude, come on. That was the laziest of troll posts. I issue almost zero bans these days, but that was just low hanging fruit that was going to result in like a dozen derail posts whining about how shitty of a troll post that was. It was a temp ban that was only as long as it was because you had racked up something like 10 bans in the past year or something. I'd check, but I'm blanking on what your GAF name is right now.

Guess I shouldve stolen $12k from gaffers instead 

[Human Snorenado]

Ultimately, nothing is going to change over there. Evilore is in charge; it's a dictatorship, which *can* work on the internet, but only if the dictator isn't a prick. Which this episode underscores is not the case on GAF.

I will say that the "long standing members are given more free rein" thing is bullshit, though. I posted pretty regularly for 6 years; I caught maaaaaaaybe half a dozen or so bans, and then got perm'd when (surprise, surprise) I said something bitchy about amirox.

I never bothered to make an alt to get back on, because I concluded (rightly) that anyplace that valued him over regular posters wasn't worth posting. It's good to see that confirmed.

Now I can go back to my usual happy ignorance of that turd of a forum.

[Momo]

My dream of seeing Steve Youngblood go full Paul Verhoeven seems so far away now

[railGUN]

After being demodded, Amir0x was banned a total of 11 times (not counting yesterday) from 9 different moderators with a mean ban duration of 3.4 weeks. His most recent ban (again, ignoring yesterday) was for 3 months and came with a perm warning. Although several earlier bans were given for being generally rude, the lion's share of bans were obtained when he started having full scale meltdowns about the 2016 US presidential elections.

The record for "most bans for a user who is not permed" is 23, with 19 in second place. Amir0x would have clocked in at around #35 on that chart.

This post. This fucking post. 

[Dennis]

The ban number thing before a perm warning is such bullshit 

[Steve Youngblood]

My dream of seeing Steve Youngblood go full Paul Verhoeven seems so far away now

I don't even know what this means.