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Brehvolution

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22020 on: August 02, 2017, 06:09:13 PM »
I have seen a T-shirt this past weekend that read:

I'm not Gay
but $20 is $20


So how'd it go?

:money
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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22021 on: August 02, 2017, 06:41:05 PM »
And in today's round of GAF isn't as progressive as they'd like you to believe

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1414753

I thought progressives believed in rehabilitating criminals, rather than punishment for the sake of punishment?

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22022 on: August 02, 2017, 06:57:58 PM »
What about this one?

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Why would you want to be an edgelord and wear s tupid shirt like that anyhow.

Fucking Gaf.

Fucking hell. Might as well wear a shirt that says

"Amir0x"

Free Amir0x

zomgee

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22023 on: August 02, 2017, 07:00:03 PM »
Free amir0x = free candy
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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22024 on: August 02, 2017, 07:23:28 PM »
And in today's round of GAF isn't as progressive as they'd like you to believe

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1414753

I thought progressives believed in rehabilitating criminals, rather than punishment for the sake of punishment?
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I like they are still chasing these dudes down, they should never rest for what they were a part of.

If the USA had did something similar after the Civil War, the USA would probably be a lot better off.
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If the US did something even remotely similar to this it would be much better off
roughly a million dead Americans, with another million or two wounded, and entire areas of the nation razed to the ground through scorched earth policies followed by a decade of varying degrees of military occupation not enough for Top Five Hillary Clinton referrer NeoGAF.com

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22025 on: August 02, 2017, 08:42:32 PM »
And in today's round of GAF isn't as progressive as they'd like you to believe

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1414753

I thought progressives believed in rehabilitating criminals, rather than punishment for the sake of punishment?
lol comb through this sparkling gem of a thread.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1403277

"I know capital punishment in the US disproportionately affects minorities and is largely racist in its usage but I'm in favor of the death penalty anyway" -The Thread.

 :crazy

Also, "The US hyper-interventionist foreign policy is good because 'Merica!", only to decry how awful the US is in every other thread.  :usacry :american

A lot of these people would happily vote republican if the GOP shifted slightly left on social issues.

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« Reply #22026 on: August 02, 2017, 09:43:47 PM »
A lot of these people would happily vote republican if the GOP shifted slightly left on social issues.
A more effective method would be to just rebrand themselves as the Democratic Party.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22027 on: August 02, 2017, 09:47:45 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245236950&postcount=256
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I pm'd a mod a while ago about the state of this thread. So the trolls better hope moderation is not in a bad mood today.
:stop

Dude deserves to have the Joe Pesci in Casino treatment.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22028 on: August 02, 2017, 09:50:59 PM »
Related to why he called for "mods help" I can actually believe someone on GAF would watch a 40+ hour playthrough of a game on YouTube just to trash it for console fanboy purposes.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22029 on: August 02, 2017, 09:58:25 PM »
A lot of these people would happily vote republican if the GOP shifted slightly left on social issues.
A more effective method would be to just rebrand themselves as the Democratic Party.

Sometimes I wouldn't mind kissing you between the cheeks, so to speak.
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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22030 on: August 02, 2017, 10:41:51 PM »
Goddamn, Lime really does sound like a troll account sometimes. That reminds of the time she/they mentioned "shanley", which is a clue that either Lime is fucking with everyone (or just completely fucking nuts).
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=211025241&postcount=1465
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I'm going to be a bit pessimistic here, but as some insightful people on Twitter (bboyzilla, tauriq moosa, shanley) was saying.

This is shanley.
https://twitter.com/shanley/status/888593450865639424

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Probably both a troll and an idiot:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245129670&postcount=11

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Honestly I'd just recommend get a cheap Bluetooth dongle and use your Dualshock 4 as a controller for your Pc, instead of buying this overpriced accessory.

With ds4windows and the touchpad, the Dualshock 4 on Pc is a godsend.

Das it. Let's use that convoluted ass multi-layered method to use a controller instead of a plug-n-play method. I'd just recommend him to fucking go fist himself.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22031 on: August 02, 2017, 10:50:48 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245236950&postcount=256
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I pm'd a mod a while ago about the state of this thread. So the trolls better hope moderation is not in a bad mood today.
:stop

Dude deserves to have the Joe Pesci in Casino treatment.

Still the best, funniest, and most horrifying use of the fourth wall I've ever seen. :lol

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22032 on: August 02, 2017, 11:11:04 PM »
He's a super high volume poster, says nothing really useful or insightful,  AND he thinks every post he makes is a stone cold classic.

I mean.. with this description he seems like GAF's ideal poster.

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« Reply #22033 on: August 02, 2017, 11:30:27 PM »
Is this t-shirt ok?

I am incapable of independent thought. Please tell me if this shirt is ok.

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"It's fucking stupid and can easily be interpreted to threaten violence against the LGBT community."

 :confused

Listen, when you open a thread with the specific goal of virtue signalling, the only direction it can go is a progressive arms race

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22034 on: August 02, 2017, 11:33:00 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245236950&postcount=256
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I pm'd a mod a while ago about the state of this thread. So the trolls better hope moderation is not in a bad mood today.
:stop

Dude deserves to have the Joe Pesci in Casino treatment.

Still the best, funniest, and most horrifying use of the fourth wall I've ever seen. :lol

You obviously mean goodfellas. I'm writing an article about it, it should be published tonight in the online edition.

 :bobby
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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22035 on: August 02, 2017, 11:35:45 PM »
What about this one?

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Why would you want to be an edgelord and wear s tupid shirt like that anyhow.

Fucking Gaf.

I worked with, and briefly hung out with a dude who thought tshirt hell was a great idea.

He also once said colored person non ironically and didn't understand why everyone freaked out on him.
NO

agrajag

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22036 on: August 03, 2017, 12:04:40 AM »
Lmao at Bobby Roberts accusing James Rolfe of grandstanding. How Trumpian of him. You think Bobby is insufferable now, imagine if he had a platform and outreach Rolfe has.

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« Reply #22037 on: August 03, 2017, 12:12:38 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245236950&postcount=256
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I pm'd a mod a while ago about the state of this thread. So the trolls better hope moderation is not in a bad mood today.
:stop

Dude deserves to have the Joe Pesci in Casino treatment.

Still the best, funniest, and most horrifying use of the fourth wall I've ever seen. :lol

You obviously mean goodfellas. I'm writing an article about it, it should be published tonight in the online edition.

 :bobby

Casino > Goodfellas :patel

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22038 on: August 03, 2017, 12:15:27 AM »
 :kobeyuck

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22039 on: August 03, 2017, 12:24:32 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245236950&postcount=256
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I pm'd a mod a while ago about the state of this thread. So the trolls better hope moderation is not in a bad mood today.
:stop

Dude deserves to have the Joe Pesci in Casino treatment.

Still the best, funniest, and most horrifying use of the fourth wall I've ever seen. :lol

You obviously mean goodfellas. I'm writing an article about it, it should be published tonight in the online edition.

 :bobby

Casino > Goodfellas :patel



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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22040 on: August 03, 2017, 01:37:56 AM »
Remember that time when Bobby compared his posts to beautiful cakes being ignored and kept repeating "insecurity is a motherfucker"? I think that was around the time everyone here noticed him and around the time I joined this board.
 
 I'm going to underline the cake parts because the original douche bolding/italicizing is  :lol
Quote from: Bobby Roberts
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Dude cmon you're just eating your own cake
When you've baked as much fucking cake as I have in this thread and so many people are just strolling by the beautiful towering bastards without even so much as running a finger along the frosting fuck yes I'm going to serve myself a slice with a smile and have fun with the inherent ridiculousness in a minority of posters here suddenly finding their long lost ability to clutch at pearls and catch the vapors after two-years worth of non-stop hostility and acrimony the second it's aimed at a guy who likes Ghostbusters a lot.

Guess what: I also like Ghostbusters a lot. I might even argue I like it more than most of you here in this thread.

Not that it actually matters how much I like it. Because it doesn't. It really doesn't factor in at all. Nor should it with Rolfe. His liking Ghostbusters a lot isn't really a great justification for his grandstanding bullshit, for reasons I've explained, very thoroughly, prior to this. It's not great justification for much of anything.

People being mean to him on twitter, going after his wife and kids, that's just as out of bounds as people being mean to Feig, McCarthy, Jones on twitter. People going out of their way to mean-spiritedly bring up his personal life or his appearance are just as shitty as people going out of their way to cack on McCarthy or Jones' size.

What's notable to me is that it's been two years worth of people very painstakingly going out of their way to make sure everyone looking understands that sexism is just a ghost (hah!) people are jumping at so as to make excuses for why people don't like the shitty marketing on display. They have had little-to-no problem with the sustained levels of nastiness, and have had even less problem minimizing it, and have seemed to thoroughly enjoy pretending they're being somehow persecuted for daring to be lone voices of reason demonized for nothing more than daring to be a guy who has a keen eye for cinematic quality.

And a small number of these same men are now (gasp! shock!) freaked out and utterly dismayed at the "sheer vitriol" being expended towards The Angry Video Game Nerd for his God-Given right to express his opinion honestly and even-handedly.

So again: What we seem to be dealing with here are a group of men who are very insecure about both their opinions, their regard for their childhood, and also (maybe primarily) the possibility they might be labeled as a sexist on the internet, and have decided the best way to counter that insecurity is to attempt to minimize (if not flat-out erase) the possiblity that sexism has anything to do with anything.

This is the double-decker cake that keeps getting wheeled in the way of fairly basic conversation about this film's marketing campaign

Which is, by the way, not great, could possibly point towards Paul Feig fucking the dog on this film, and wasting the talents of his cast and crew in a misguided attempt at modernizing both the tone and humor of Ghostbusters.

Note that I can say that confidently, without ever once having to suggest or even nod to the idea someone might think I'm sexist for saying that. I can dislike the marketing without prefacing that with any sort of worry about how people I don't know may percieve me on the internet, because I'm not at all insecure about my ability to explain my opinions, my standpoints, and am confident my reasoning will hold up when asked for it.

Insecurity is a motherfucker.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=204147958&postcount=1797

 (Bobby Roberts would go on, months later, to ask the people of Portland to boycott a James Rolfe appearance via his shitty newspaper job, while James Rolfe would later praise Wonder Woman as one of the best superhero movies and noting that her representation was needed.) :doge

you guys need to recognize roberts has insecurity issues and keep it moving. i havent dealt with him since i argued with him that the time nonsense of days of future past didnt make sense. its not worth wasting time over

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22041 on: August 03, 2017, 01:57:21 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245239155&postcount=3

Best post. Salacious Crumb is the best Star Wars character. I also like the blue elephant that plays the xylophone in Jabba the Hutt's house band.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22042 on: August 03, 2017, 02:46:30 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245236950&postcount=256
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I pm'd a mod a while ago about the state of this thread. So the trolls better hope moderation is not in a bad mood today.
:stop

Dude deserves to have the Joe Pesci in Casino treatment.

Still the best, funniest, and most horrifying use of the fourth wall I've ever seen. :lol

You obviously mean goodfellas. I'm writing an article about it, it should be published tonight in the online edition.

 :bobby

Casino > Goodfellas :patel

 :mynicca

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22043 on: August 03, 2017, 04:14:02 AM »
Overpopulation  ::)

Been a problem since 1753!

sure.


the earth land surface is around 150,000,000 km2

we're around 7.5 billion people.

150,000,000,000 m2 / 7,500,000,000,. We currently have 20m2 per human being without counting completely inhabitable land areas. This isn't counting other animals and completely inhabitable regions, which would probably halve it to 10m2 per human. So yeah i'm pretty sure we're starting to have a problem.

It sure is a bummer vertical buildings and metropolitan areas hosting millions of people aren't a thing yet.

Wait what

But just think about the implications of what that means. Sure we do live in vertical stacks, but in absolute terms humans would be 3 meters away from eachother. In about 40 years we'll see the problems of overpopulation loud and clear, What China did with girls was inhumane, but it prevented their society from collapsing. Now they have a problem because there's an entire generation that won't find any girls to make a family with, because they didn't really think it through. But at least they prevented their society from collapsing.



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Hahahah


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1414753

A 96 y/o SS book keeper that paid by whatever crimes he could commit given the fact he joined SS when he was 12 in a very hopeless society that was feeling the consequences of unjust war consequences gets condemned by book burning believers of restorative justice.

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Upon his return to Germany he led a normal life, reluctant to talk about his time in Auschwitz. However, more than 40 years later, he decided to make his activities at Auschwitz public after learning about Holocaust denial. He has since openly criticised those who deny the events that he witnessed, and the ideology to which he once subscribed. The recorded accounts he provided to the BBC, however, contributed to the decision and ability to prosecute him.

So you try to help holocaust deniers get off their high horse? To jail you go because you admit to know what happened and did nothing (as if he could do anything, really).
« Last Edit: August 03, 2017, 04:26:30 AM by daemon »

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22044 on: August 03, 2017, 05:29:29 AM »
So? My family was in Auschwitz (pretty much deported there 73 years ago to the day after the Warsaw Uprising). If he fesses up he should still go to jail imho. Admitting you committed a crime doesn't get you acquitted. Its great he is on a straight path now but some justice needs to be handed.

Fucking insane logic you have.

Also he didnt join the SS when he was 12, that doesnt even make fucking sense. Maybe he joined the hitlerjugend, which is bascially party boy scouts. Dude was 18 when the war broke out. No one was forced to join the SS either, (in germany) so he clearly felt a strong connection to the ideology and had to prove his ancestry is pure.

What could have he done? A million things. But for starters not joining the SS and going on a crusade.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2017, 05:42:36 AM by Premium Lager »

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« Reply #22045 on: August 03, 2017, 05:57:31 AM »
So? My family was in Auschwitz (pretty much deported there 73 years ago to the day after the Warsaw Uprising). If he fesses up he should still go to jail imho. Admitting you committed a crime doesn't get you acquitted. Its great he is on a straight path now but some justice needs to be handed.

Fucking insane logic you have.

Also he didnt join the SS when he was 12, that doesnt even make fucking sense. Maybe he joined the hitlerjugend, which is bascially party boy scouts. Dude was 18 when the war broke out. No one was forced to join the SS either, (in germany) so he clearly felt a strong connection to the ideology and had to prove his ancestry is pure.

What could have he done? A million things. But for starters not joining the SS and going on a crusade.

Do you truly believe that no one was brainwashed into it? specially after joining the boy scouts of the hitler youth. I'm not taking off blame when I say that at 96 years of age there's little to no point to jail him, if you believe in restorative justice. Who does it benefit after he's proven himself fit for society and already went to labor camp. That's what I'm saying. I would've been okay with society choosing the death penalty (back in the day) because that's what I believe in for these cases. But society thinks otherwise and I don't get why they're sending him to jail at this point. Also he wanted to go to the military but got assigned to the concentration camp and could do nothing about what he saw (saw a baby getting taken by the leg and smashed on the head to death against a wall), not even get a transfer to another one. Ofc that's all according to him, but that's pretty much what's sending him to prison.


And of course what happened to your family was an atrocity, but it was committed by an authoritarian system that didn't let pawns decide. In many ocasions the concentration camp pawns let the jews live despite orders as they knew it was the end of the war and no higher chain of command would execute them for that. Auschwitz was the cruelest one. I assume the managers were vicious sadists, because that name will always evoke the most inhumane atrocities.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2017, 06:36:45 AM by daemon »

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #22046 on: August 03, 2017, 06:18:03 AM »
You are asking me why I think he should still go? How about you tell me why he shouldn't go.

Oh he went to a POW camp in Britain which was all setup nice and cosy with Geneva convention rules? What a punishment.
 
If only my grandma's dad was sent to one of these holiday camps where you actually got 3 meals a day and get to sleep, maybe my grandma would have had a father then growing up. But she had the pleasure of walking back to Warsaw with her mom after the war to find the city gone, much like our family and her friends.

Hey but this guy was just a bean counter who noted down what they stole from everyone!

Is this man still a danger? No.
Is there symbolism and a message if we send him away? Yes.
Why? Why not.

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« Reply #22047 on: August 03, 2017, 06:26:37 AM »
Overpopulation and SS trials : dem optics in that thread y'all.
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« Reply #22048 on: August 03, 2017, 06:35:36 AM »
My mom was taught by her grandma to always have a suitcase packed with clothes before going to sleep, because you never knew what would happen at night and you might have to run.

So that's how my mom grew up. And she raised me. The scars and psychological consequences of the war run very deep and through the generations in a country where 25% of the population was wiped out in 6 years.

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« Reply #22049 on: August 03, 2017, 06:47:14 AM »
sorry I edited the post, didn't see the new page.


I think he shouldn't go because that's not how restorative justice works and the fact of the matter is he's being sentenced for openly speaking that things DID happen even though he was never a perpetrator (he even tells he asked for a transfer but got it denied). He had very dangerous thoughts but never executed anyone and felt very uneasy about the matter. Oh, they can surely send him to prison, I won't shed a tear, I simply believe this is not based on how the system tells that justice is served according to the law. In my eyes any serial killer with definitive proof should get the axe, but again, that's not how the system works. So this is kind of a loophole on the system because it's a touchy subject that will probably never heal, even when all the nazi perpetrators are dead.

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« Reply #22050 on: August 03, 2017, 06:56:20 AM »
I read this good point on GAF

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Justice isn't about retribution or simply enacting processes that lead to rehabilitation. It's about determining what is and isn't okay through rulings imo. And trying to say that this man is too old and has expressed regret at his involvement does not make it okay in any way. And the justice system shouldn't send that message either.

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« Reply #22051 on: August 03, 2017, 07:25:01 AM »
I read this good point on GAF

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Justice isn't about retribution or simply enacting processes that lead to rehabilitation. It's about determining what is and isn't okay through rulings imo. And trying to say that this man is too old and has expressed regret at his involvement does not make it okay in any way. And the justice system shouldn't send that message either.

That is true, but he's not forget all this:

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He was eventually transferred to Britain as a prisoner of war and worked as a forced labourer.

Upon his return to Germany he led a normal life, reluctant to talk about his time in Auschwitz. However, more than 40 years later, he decided to make his activities at Auschwitz public after learning about Holocaust denial. He has since openly criticised those who deny the events that he witnessed, and the ideology to which he once subscribed. The recorded accounts he provided to the BBC, however, contributed to the decision and ability to prosecute him. His record as an activist against Holocaust deniers since 1985 was not taken into consideration. Gröning has been notable as a German willing to make public statements about his experience as an SS soldier, which are self-incriminating and have exposed his life to public scrutiny.

In September 2014, Gröning was charged by German prosecutors as an accessory to murder, in 300,000 cases, for his role at the Auschwitz concentration camp. His trial began in April 2015, after the court had ruled that, at the age of 93, he was still fit to stand trial. The trial was held in Lüneburg, Germany. On 15 July 2015, he was found guilty of facilitating mass murder and sentenced to four years' imprisonment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Gr%C3%B6ning


1. Get in a forced labor camp for two years and be forever tarnished for being in the SS so you can't get a job at what you're good at.
2. Continue your life and become an activist against holocaust deniers for over 20 years.
3. ???
4. Accessory to 300,000 cases of murder.

Which is what, in my eyes, makes this case a travesty. Today. Back in 1945 an execution was warranted in my eyes. Then again WW1 repercussions led to WW2 and that's why they didn't really make an example of everyone just because they participated in the war in some manner. Managers got executed, that much is known. If this helps to make survivors feel better, by all means do it. But that's quite the opposite of restorative justice, in this case, which all the variables that construct it.

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« Reply #22052 on: August 03, 2017, 07:40:21 AM »
Meh, "brainwashing" isn't exactly a good excuse. Anytime I see it thrown around to excuse shitty acts it's presented like the sci fi equivalent more so than how things actually work in real life.

Many people in ISIS, the KKK, etc. from hate groups and gangs to large scale terrorist groups can be explained as joining due to indoctrination, and sometimes generational indoctrination. Doesn't excuse horrible shit you pulled or were a part of.

brainwashed by the whole society not by a small group of crazytalk people. It was, the goddamn, entire, society. Picture North Korea.

btw you face your country's law normally.
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« Reply #22053 on: August 03, 2017, 07:45:11 AM »
Justice. :lol Im pretty sure, like Santa, everyone already figured out it's not real. Sorry plebs, might makes right. The only mistake the dude did was come out clean.

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« Reply #22054 on: August 03, 2017, 07:47:12 AM »
Actually it wasn't. By saying it was the whole society you make it sound like everyone was a Nazi but him. Which is of course not true.


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« Reply #22055 on: August 03, 2017, 07:47:37 AM »
Meh, "brainwashing" isn't exactly a good excuse. Anytime I see it thrown around to excuse shitty acts it's presented like the sci fi equivalent more so than how things actually work in real life.

Many people in ISIS, the KKK, etc. from hate groups and gangs to large scale terrorist groups can be explained as joining due to indoctrination, and sometimes generational indoctrination. Doesn't excuse horrible shit you pulled or were a part of.

brainwashed by the whole society not by a small group of crazytalk people. It was, the goddamn, entire, society. Picture North Korea.

btw you face your country's law normally.

How about the US #resist  :doge

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« Reply #22056 on: August 03, 2017, 07:48:52 AM »
Justice. :lol Im pretty sure, like Santa, everyone already figured out it's not real. Sorry plebs, might makes right. The only mistake the dude did was come out clean.

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« Reply #22057 on: August 03, 2017, 07:58:36 AM »
Actually it wasn't. By saying it was the whole society you make it sound like everyone was a Nazi but him. Which is of course not true.

it was a movement by the party at hand that led the country to an international war. Surely the sentiment wasn't GENOCIDE for every person, but it was a movement instaurated by the political and military power. Many jews got murdered after trying to go back to their homes by the ones that occupied it, because they sympathized with the cause. And even if you weren't, you surely didn't want to proclaim you weren't agreeing with the cause, which in effect makes you a supporter.

There's a lot of gray area, none of it exculpates the higher ranks, but they exculpate somewhat the pawns.


We can all agree that they were doing something wrong from a moral standpoint, but since law is actually served on a per-country basis... you get what i'm saying right? Stealing in some countries is met by a night in jail, and in other places they cut your hand. You have to place yourself in the sociopolitical situation of Germany at that point in history.
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« Reply #22058 on: August 03, 2017, 08:16:56 AM »
Justice. :lol Im pretty sure, like Santa, everyone already figured out it's not real. Sorry plebs, might makes right. The only mistake the dude did was come out clean.

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Yeah, but it's true. His postwar conduct would have gotten him in jail(or shot?) in Nazi Germany while at the same time his wartime conduct has gotten him in prison post Nazi Germany. If Germany won then he would have been a proud SS officer. That's justice for you.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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« Reply #22059 on: August 03, 2017, 08:32:09 AM »
What does what ifs and hypotheticals have to do with whether the dude should go to jail or not?

What's fucked up is that he was doing a remunerated lawful job, and the law of the same country 70 years later is retrospectively sending him to jail for it? Despite knowing he was powerless to do anything, even quitting wasn't allowed. You can try to spin it all you want, but was it this anything but a nazi related case, it'd be called a failure of the law. You could argue he didn't pay for his crimes back in the day, but that didn't happen, he didn't escape it . He paid in labor according to the punishment they saw fit back in the day. All of this i'm saying now is a fact.

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« Reply #22060 on: August 03, 2017, 08:37:20 AM »
Aaah the old Befehl ist Befehl arguement  :lol

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« Reply #22061 on: August 03, 2017, 08:40:47 AM »
Also being a POW =/= being punished for crimes committed. It's simply something that happens when you are captured as a combatant.

He wasn't trialed for partaking in the Holocaust, merely held prisoner as the enemy. His time held prisoner as an enemy combatant is not to be held in lieu of a sentencing on crimes committed.

It's like you would be held in custody for drunk and disorderly conduct, and then released a 48 hours later. Then it emerges you helped to kill a dozen people while drunk. Thats not the same fucking thing bruv, yo ass still going back to jail.

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« Reply #22062 on: August 03, 2017, 08:54:48 AM »
What does what ifs and hypotheticals have to do with whether the dude should go to jail or not?

Im pointing out how radically different consequences people have for their actions depending on the time and society they live it. Given the fickle nature of people, "justice" hardly seems like a good reason. I suppose i don't approve of the amount of suspended disbelief people need to make arguments based on justice.

Having him being part of the reason your family died seems like a more grass-roots position. Regardless of moral trends, revenge is universal for all cultures and people. I find it being more respectable, at least a person is being true to himself when he justifies something because of it.

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« Reply #22063 on: August 03, 2017, 08:54:58 AM »
bobby roberts
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« Reply #22064 on: August 03, 2017, 08:56:13 AM »
bobby roberts

this one of those times we needed this. well done

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« Reply #22065 on: August 03, 2017, 10:40:50 AM »
It's our safe word
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« Reply #22066 on: August 03, 2017, 11:45:03 AM »
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The lengths we go to maintain white supremacy, even when requesting something as innocuous as more diverse casting in a 90 minute movie.

Wow.

You can't spare a few more minutes of runtime in a relatively disposable piece of cinema.

Wow. I'm at a loss.

Wow.

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Fuck Nolan and his whitewashing of history.




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« Reply #22067 on: August 03, 2017, 11:58:53 AM »
That Dunkirk 'outrage' thread is as usual so ridiculous and overblown it undermines any sensible points people want to make.

There is need to actually highlight and show that people of colour did indeed also fight in these wars. It's something that's not really taught in any schools and was something I had to find out myself. But Dunkirk is the story Nolan wanted to tell about a small group of people.

Why would anyone expect he'd be showing a black or Asian character?

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« Reply #22068 on: August 03, 2017, 12:25:10 PM »
New posters defending fucking Nazi's. Why am I not surprised? lol
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« Reply #22069 on: August 03, 2017, 12:29:15 PM »
New posters defending fucking Nazi's. Why am I not surprised? lol

Bobby Roberts.

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« Reply #22070 on: August 03, 2017, 12:32:51 PM »
too soon
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« Reply #22071 on: August 03, 2017, 12:38:18 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245298159&postcount=64

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i just realized NH was that close? holy shit

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NH had a lot of white people

Welp. That come from nowhere...

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« Reply #22072 on: August 03, 2017, 12:38:30 PM »
I'm more interested that people think it's actually about Brexit. I can't even wrap my head around that.

Everything in the UK at this moment has to be seen through the prism of Brexit.

If I'm being ultra cynical, It also probably helps freelance journalists to sell their articles.

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« Reply #22073 on: August 03, 2017, 12:43:11 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245298942&postcount=84

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Trump campaigned on racism and bullying. They decided they were on board with that. Fuck them.

But Trump didnt win NH...

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« Reply #22074 on: August 03, 2017, 12:53:40 PM »
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Millions of kids indoctrinated into bigotry by PewDiePie

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« Reply #22075 on: August 03, 2017, 12:58:06 PM »
Yeah, but he almost did, which is just as bad.

So fuck them?

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« Reply #22076 on: August 03, 2017, 01:01:31 PM »
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Millions of kids indoctrinated into bigotry by PewDiePie

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« Reply #22077 on: August 03, 2017, 01:14:35 PM »
Oh hey, I see NeoGAF is back to ripping whole news articles and reaping those sweet, sweet ad bux.

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« Reply #22078 on: August 03, 2017, 01:16:57 PM »
The article itself is not bad (brings a point about how democrats have ignored public radio) until it starts shifting to Youtube corporate apologist and ignores Youtube past faulty campaigns to moderate content. People has little confidence regarding YouTube initiatives way before it  becomes "far right nest".

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« Reply #22079 on: August 03, 2017, 02:00:39 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245302581&postcount=9742

I'm expecting a lot more RuPaul's Drag Race gifs on The Bore in the next few days.

I'm all for more RuPaul gifs, but I DEMAND that all future people registering for the bore be given background checks to make sure none of those POPGAF twats end up here.
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