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Tasty

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Re: Other Forum Megathread of Trash People for Trash People
« Reply #24900 on: September 11, 2017, 06:43:15 PM »
was Jesus Christ alt-right?

He regularly hung around with "undesirables" like sinners and lepers. (HE ASSOCIATED WITH WRONGTHINKERS!!!)
He taught people not to judge others "lest ye who is without sin cast the first stone..." (FALSE EQUIVALENCIES MUCH??!)
He taught people to love everyone, even their enemies (BOTH SIDES?!??)
He picked a hill to die on.

 :doge

You're an idiot.

Jenkem

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Re: Other Forum Megathread of Trash People for Trash People
« Reply #24901 on: September 11, 2017, 06:53:45 PM »

Take My Breh Away

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« Reply #24902 on: September 11, 2017, 07:15:42 PM »
Lists!  Lists of all the good boys and girls.  Did your fave make this list of GAF approved media?  God bless lists!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=248604038&postcount=6505

Here's another kind of list. :lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=248555210&postcount=4692

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benjipwns

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Re: Other Forum Megathread of Trash People for Trash People
« Reply #24903 on: September 11, 2017, 07:16:36 PM »
was Jesus Christ alt-right?

He regularly hung around with "undesirables" like sinners and lepers. (HE ASSOCIATED WITH WRONGTHINKERS!!!)
He taught people not to judge others "lest ye who is without sin cast the first stone..." (FALSE EQUIVALENCIES MUCH??!)
He taught people to love everyone, even their enemies (BOTH SIDES?!??)
He picked a hill to die on.

 :doge
"one of the good (((ones)))"

Himu

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« Reply #24904 on: September 11, 2017, 07:24:23 PM »
Star Track sucks in all its forms

 :jeanluc

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« Reply #24905 on: September 11, 2017, 07:25:58 PM »
Star Track sucks in all its forms

 :jeanluc

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Himu

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« Reply #24906 on: September 11, 2017, 07:29:37 PM »
I'm glad people are defending against the use of the word nigger, and I agree it's a a racist act, but I wish people would be more mad at more entrenched ideas of racism like justifying the death of a black person. Calling someone out for using the word is good, but when that's the only litmus test on being racist it trivializes other racist acts. Find it weird that so many jump on when a celebrity uses the word nigger but then when some dude gets shot up by police at an anime convention for having a toy sword or some guy is killed on the spot in a wal mart because it's assumed he has a gun you get quiet. One is a fucking word, which is a type it. The other is actual dominance and subjugation. Let's have a 100 page thread on that, shall we?

Look at this fake black person

Aight, I'm done.
I'm done trying to be nice.
nicca who are you? You have a problem with CM right? nicca TAKE IT UP WITH HIM.BITCH TAKE IT UP WITH THAT nicca AND THAT'S IT BUT YOU BAMA IN YA FEELINGS ASS SOFT AS BABY SHIT ASS WANNA COME FOR THE THREAD FOR NOT GIVING A FUCK ABOUT YOU!

 :doge

:lol
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counterhit

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« Reply #24907 on: September 11, 2017, 07:41:50 PM »
Lists!  Lists of all the good boys and girls.  Did your fave make this list of GAF approved media?  God bless lists!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=248604038&postcount=6505

It's funny he mentions Hyperbithero posts there, but HBH is exactly the type of person to get quickly banned and the only reason he hasn't is because he prefers to talk on his discord and twitter instead of post on GAF.

Himu

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« Reply #24908 on: September 11, 2017, 07:42:52 PM »
Star Track sucks in all its forms

 :jeanluc

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In this episode of Star Trek the next generation Geordi falls in love with a computer, Riker plays with a corny ass band because the entire ship is full of hipsters who are obsessed with 20th century music like jazz and hate contemporary music because the writers are awful and want to make Trek corny nerd shit, the cast sits around a table talking, and everyone conveniently forgets that Picard tried to commit genocide against their race and suffers from PTSD as an android pinnochio wonders what it means to laugh while cosplaying as Sherlock Holmes.



Has some great episodes, and even really good season (3 and 5) but its best as a highlight show and watching the best episodes it has to offer rather than the sum of its whole.

TOS and DS9 make it its bitch.

Speaking of Trek, I'm not excited about the new Trek at all. For years we waited for a new Star Trek series and I don't give a fuck. Hope it's good though.
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Great Rumbler

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« Reply #24909 on: September 11, 2017, 07:47:54 PM »
corny nerd shit

You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Tasty

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« Reply #24910 on: September 11, 2017, 07:49:52 PM »
Beardless Riker parts are universally disliked Queen. Nobody likes season 1 all that much.

Seasons 3+ though :preach

Himu

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Re: Other Forum Megathread of Trash People for Trash People
« Reply #24911 on: September 11, 2017, 08:03:27 PM »
Beardless Riker parts are universally disliked Queen. Nobody likes season 1 all that much.

Seasons 3+ though :preach

You're focusing on the lack of beard and not his trombone. What do they do four centuries in the future on a space ship? Watch orchestra concerts. They don't have new music.

Even after s3 I'm not a big fan of TNG. It's just really inconsistent and felt like torture by season 7. People said it gets good after s2 but it's more that it just gets more tolerable. The core problems never leave the series. Now I'm having flashbacks of Troi yelling into the darkness,"WHERE ARE YOU?! WHO ARE YOU?!" Jesus.
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Tasty

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« Reply #24912 on: September 11, 2017, 08:07:46 PM »
Yet another :drudge HIMU HOT TAKE :drudge, cool.

seagrams hotsauce

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« Reply #24913 on: September 11, 2017, 08:10:53 PM »
Star Track sucks in all its forms
This is over the line. In Search Of... is a classic.

Jenkem

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« Reply #24914 on: September 11, 2017, 08:14:14 PM »
Sisko > Kirk > Picard >>>>>> Janeway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott Bakula

also the worst episode of any Star Trek is from Voyager, where Tom Paris breaks the high speed record and LITERALLY TURNS INTO A FUCKING FROG. Then Janeway does the same thing in order to try to recover Tom Paris and herself LITERALLY TURNS INTO A FUCKING FROG. THEN FROG JANEWAY AND FROG TOM PARIS FUCK EACH OTHER AND CREATE OFFSPRING before being turned to normal by the Doctor...

 :mindblown

Himu

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« Reply #24915 on: September 11, 2017, 08:18:45 PM »
Kirk > Sisko >>>>>> Picard

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Himu

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« Reply #24916 on: September 11, 2017, 08:24:20 PM »
Sisko > Kirk > Picard >>>>>> Janeway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott Bakula

also the worst episode of any Star Trek is from Voyager, where Tom Paris breaks the high speed record and LITERALLY TURNS INTO A FUCKING FROG. Then Janeway does the same thing in order to try to recover Tom Paris and herself LITERALLY TURNS INTO A FUCKING FROG. THEN FROG JANEWAY AND FROG TOM PARIS FUCK EACH OTHER AND CREATE OFFSPRING before being turned to normal by the Doctor...

 :mindblown

I sincerely hope Discovery ups the philosophy and adventure kind of Trek and just completely shits on corny Trek because fuck corny Trek.

Yet another :drudge HIMU HOT TAKE :drudge, cool.

You say this but it's common among TOS and DS9 fans. :idont

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2013/05/19/tv-talk-why-star-trek-deep-space-nine-is-hard-to-love-but-worth-it
http://www.cbr.com/10-things-to-hate-about-star-trek-the-next-generation/
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benjipwns

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Re: Other Forum Megathread of Trash People for Trash People
« Reply #24917 on: September 11, 2017, 08:44:30 PM »
I sincerely hope Discovery ups the philosophy
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benjipwns

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« Reply #24918 on: September 11, 2017, 08:44:55 PM »
Sisko > Kirk > Picard >>>>>> Janeway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott Bakula
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nachobro

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« Reply #24919 on: September 11, 2017, 08:49:12 PM »
But TNG was an extension of TOS and closer to Gene's ideal of the future, aka more philosophy and thinking rather than action, more consideration rather than rash violence. I love me some DS9 but the fundamentals of what makes DS9 work are the Star Trek tropes and Federation ideals that are subverted and in some cases tossed completely aside because shit needs to get done when they are far from Earth and dealing with two (sometimes three) hostile governments. And those ideals are shown and explained in TOS and (more so) in TNG. Like it or not, you don't get to DS9 (and IMO you don't get the full impact of DS9) without TNG.

Voyager however took a lot of that a bit too far, but it has its moments and is a solid show imo. Also I like Archer. He's a Federation captain before there were any other captains. Dude wasn't ready for the responsibility but he did what he could to make it work.
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Jenkem

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Re: Other Forum Megathread of Trash People for Trash People
« Reply #24920 on: September 11, 2017, 08:50:20 PM »
I sincerely hope Discovery ups the philosophy
:neogaf :rofl :heh :sabu :aweshum :betty :crowdlaff :girlaff

isn't that the show that says it is going to model the Klingons after the alt-right?

not to mention how the nu-Star Trek movies have none of that philosophy in it..

also not sure why she (Queen of Ice) disses on the corny Trek but then prefers Kirk over Picard :thinking
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« Reply #24921 on: September 11, 2017, 08:55:38 PM »
Putting TOS over TNG will be a crime punishable by having to watch only Harry Kim episodes of Voyager on endless loop in my glorious utopia.

benjipwns

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« Reply #24922 on: September 11, 2017, 08:55:46 PM »
It would be kind of cool if they did a series, or at least a season of a series, where the Federation suffers a lot of economic anxiety and becomes all xenophobic and shit, and some kind of hardcore anti-nonhuman leader takes over, and we end up nuking the Cardassian homeworld or some shit.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Terra_Prime
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Alliance_for_Global_Unity

Himu

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« Reply #24923 on: September 11, 2017, 08:56:31 PM »
But TNG was an extension of TOS and closer to Gene's ideal of the future, aka more philosophy and thinking rather than action, more consideration rather than rash action. I love me some DS9 but the fundamentals of what makes DS9 work are the Star Trek tropes and Federation ideals that are subverted and in some cases tossed completely aside because shit needs to get done when they are far from Earth. And those ideals are shown and explained in TOS and (more so) in TNG. Like it or not, you don't get to DS9 (and IMO you don't get the full impact of DS9) without TNG.

Voyager however took a lot of that a bit too far, but it has its moments and is a solid show imo. Also I like Archer. He's a Federation captain before there were any other captains. Dude wasn't ready for the responsibility but he did what he could to make it work.

What makes TOS work are the characters. It had drama. Scotty didn't like Spock and it was interesting. You had tense episodes full of voyaging and adventure. You had great looks into alien races. I love TOS despite its problems. The only characters I like on TNG are Picard, Worf and underused characters like O'Brien or Ensign Ro. All in all, TOS was a fun show even with all the philosophical episodes. I feel like TNG is TOS with none of the character, drama, or fun. I feel like DS9 is a better product of Gene's vision than TNG. TNG was made too sterile and it never really recovered from it. Fun is the last thing I would use for TNG.
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« Reply #24924 on: September 11, 2017, 09:00:27 PM »
You say this but it's common among TOS and DS9 fans. :idont

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2013/05/19/tv-talk-why-star-trek-deep-space-nine-is-hard-to-love-but-worth-it
http://www.cbr.com/10-things-to-hate-about-star-trek-the-next-generation/
10 Things To Hate About Star Trek: The Next Generation
It Ruined The Franchise All The Way Until JJ Abrams Saved It

Get all the way entirely fucked.

Oblivion

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« Reply #24925 on: September 11, 2017, 09:01:00 PM »

Himu

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« Reply #24926 on: September 11, 2017, 09:02:48 PM »
I sincerely hope Discovery ups the philosophy
:neogaf :rofl :heh :sabu :aweshum :betty :crowdlaff :girlaff

isn't that the show that says it is going to model the Klingons after the alt-right?

not to mention how the nu-Star Trek movies have none of that philosophy in it..

also not sure why she (Queen of Ice) disses on the corny Trek but then prefers Kirk over Picard :thinking

I think distilling James T. Kirk's character to just corny crap is reductive. Kirk finds out his son was murdered in Star Trek 3 and still gets the job done. I love me some Kirk.

Putting TOS over TNG will be a crime punishable by having to watch only Harry Kim episodes of Voyager on endless loop in my glorious utopia.

Tell me TNG movies are better than the TOS six with a straight face. The movies perfectly summarize TOS vs TNG. I really, really like the characters more on TOS. I'm big on characters and would rather see Kirk and Spock have their witty monologues while playing chess than another fucking holodeck episode.
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Jenkem

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« Reply #24927 on: September 11, 2017, 09:03:00 PM »
Sisko did blow up a planet just to kill one guy...

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« Reply #24928 on: September 11, 2017, 09:03:37 PM »
Star Trek/Wars


Himu

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« Reply #24929 on: September 11, 2017, 09:04:25 PM »
You say this but it's common among TOS and DS9 fans. :idont

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2013/05/19/tv-talk-why-star-trek-deep-space-nine-is-hard-to-love-but-worth-it
http://www.cbr.com/10-things-to-hate-about-star-trek-the-next-generation/
10 Things To Hate About Star Trek: The Next Generation
It Ruined The Franchise All The Way Until JJ Abrams Saved It

Get all the way entirely fucked.

:idont it's not wrong. TNG created this formula that all Trek after it (sans DS9 :patel) cribbed.
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Jenkem

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Re: Other Forum Megathread of Trash People for Trash People
« Reply #24930 on: September 11, 2017, 09:07:40 PM »

I think distilling James T. Kirk's character to just corny crap is reductive. Kirk finds out his son was murdered in Star Trek 3 and still gets the job done. I love me some Kirk.

Tell me TNG movies are better than the TOS six with a straight face. The movies perfectly summarize TOS vs TNG. I really, really like the characters more on TOS. I'm big on characters and would rather see Kirk and Spock have their witty monologues while playing chess than another fucking holodeck episode.

That's true about Kirk, I wasn't really thinking of the movies. I like characters too that is why I think DS9 is the best because the entire series run is focused on the ensemble cast and their relationships.

I also agree with you re: TNG movies.. they are awful. The writing in them is just bad.

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« Reply #24931 on: September 11, 2017, 09:07:43 PM »
JJ Abrams made one good Trek movie and two shitty ones. That's not saving anything.

fistfulofmetal

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« Reply #24932 on: September 11, 2017, 09:08:45 PM »
Abrams only made two Trek movies. Justin Lin made Trek 3 and it's pretty good.
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« Reply #24933 on: September 11, 2017, 09:10:40 PM »
It is kind of interesting that two NeoGAF mods ended up being pedophiles. I remember years ago when I used to lurk, some people were theorizing about a pedo community on the site. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me with some of the shit I saw in the Anime and Figure threads. It would probably be even easier to run these days with Discord and whatnot existing.

I wonder what Lore and the non-pedo mods would find if they conducted a thorough search of AnimeGAF members' PM boxes.

The pedomods were not exactly in good terms with anime Gaf.

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« Reply #24934 on: September 11, 2017, 09:13:10 PM »

What makes TOS work are the characters. It had drama. Scotty didn't like Spock and it was interesting. You had tense episodes full of voyaging and adventure. You had great looks into alien races. I love TOS despite its problems. The only characters I like on TNG are Picard, Worf and underused characters like O'Brien or Ensign Ro. All in all, TOS was a fun show even with all the philosophical episodes. I feel like TNG is TOS with none of the character, drama, or fun. I feel like DS9 is a better product of Gene's vision than TNG. TNG was made too sterile and it never really recovered from it. Fun is the last thing I would use for TNG.
See that's funny to me cause when I think of TNG my first thought it is of characters and their stories. Picard learning that there is more to life than duty, Riker coming to terms with the difficulties of command, Geordie and Data's parallel storylines of learning to become more human, Worf burying all his emotions and issues regarding his race which started a character arc that wasn't resolved until DS9, Wesley turning from a pompous shit into someone with greater understanding of the known and unknown universe, Crusher overcoming the loss of her husband and becoming a super hot MILF.

Okay maybe not that last one, but hey it's still true.

Himu

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« Reply #24935 on: September 11, 2017, 09:13:21 PM »
Trek is cool because everyone seems to like Trek for different reasons. I'm all about characters (DS9, TOS) and adventure (TOS, TOS, TOS!). Some other person might like wacky crap like Doc Crusher fucking a ghost. Others like space battles or alien race factoids.

I think the episode you consider the best Trek episode is indicative of why you like Trek usually.

For me it's a coin toss between In The Pale Moonlight and Darmok.
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benjipwns

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« Reply #24936 on: September 11, 2017, 09:23:38 PM »
Discovery is going to be about a massive Federation-Klingon War for the first season and Fuller was kicked off the show because his ideas were found to be "too complex and allegorical" for CBS's liking.

They're dropping $120 million on production for this fucking thing.

Alex Kurtzman is the only of the two creators still standing and he wrote the garbage that is Trek 09 and Into Darkness, he was missing from Beyond and it was the best Trek film since VI.

You really shouldn't talk about the glories of TOS if you really mean the movies anymore than you would if you mean TAS. The films go infinitely farther in considering the ramifications and consequences of Kirk and Spock's actions along with the expanded characterization of everyone. Barely anyone develops as a character over the series and all the aliens are as heavy-handed inferior allegories as much as those in TNG.
 
Which is probably why Roddenberry hated all five of the movies he didn't make and considered them to be non-canon when doing TNG. They had to lock him in a closet until they got II made because he wanted to make it about the Enterprise going back in time to kill JFK because that was real Trek.

Himu

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« Reply #24937 on: September 11, 2017, 09:24:34 PM »

What makes TOS work are the characters. It had drama. Scotty didn't like Spock and it was interesting. You had tense episodes full of voyaging and adventure. You had great looks into alien races. I love TOS despite its problems. The only characters I like on TNG are Picard, Worf and underused characters like O'Brien or Ensign Ro. All in all, TOS was a fun show even with all the philosophical episodes. I feel like TNG is TOS with none of the character, drama, or fun. I feel like DS9 is a better product of Gene's vision than TNG. TNG was made too sterile and it never really recovered from it. Fun is the last thing I would use for TNG.
See that's funny to me cause when I think of TNG my first thought it is of characters and their stories. Picard learning that there is more to life than duty, Riker coming to terms with the difficulties of command, Geordie and Data's parallel storylines of learning to become more human, Worf burying all his emotions and issues regarding his race which started a character arc that wasn't resolved until DS9, Wesley turning from a pompous shit into someone with greater understanding of the known and unknown universe, Crusher overcoming the loss of her husband and becoming a super hot MILF.

Okay maybe not that last one, but hey it's still true.

That's the best defense I've ever read for TNG. I like that you didn't list Troi because she's such a shit character.

I can get that and respect it a lot but still don't find them interesting besides Picard and Worf. Like Riker feels too much of a Kirk place-in as a foil to Picard but Riker feels too much of a brown noser. Gene's rule for "no drama or conflict" for TNG really hurt it I think and it doesn't ever meet its true potential. I would have liked to see Riker and Picard's personalities clash more, or the series explore more of the side characters like they did in Lower Decks, or even Picard's struggle with becoming a Borg. But your defense of TNG's characters I can buy, even if I don't entirely agree.
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benjipwns

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« Reply #24938 on: September 11, 2017, 09:26:31 PM »
I feel like DS9 is a better product of Gene's vision than TNG. TNG was made too sterile and it never really recovered from it.
That was Gene's vision and his mandated rule for TNG. That humanity would have evolved past any kind of conflict, even personal. Starfleet would just be a bunch of altruistic all knowing stereotypes who would fly around and lecture lesser races to be better or they wouldn't be allowed in the club.

DS9 doesn't break Gene's rule either, that's why half the cast had to be made into non-Starfleet personnel.

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« Reply #24939 on: September 11, 2017, 09:27:43 PM »
Discovery is going to be about a massive Federation-Klingon War for the first season and Fuller was kicked off the show because his ideas were found to be "too complex and allegorical" for CBS's liking.

They're dropping $120 million on production for this fucking thing.

Alex Kurtzman is the only of the two creators still standing and he wrote the garbage that is Trek 09 and Into Darkness, he was missing from Beyond and it was the best Trek film since VI.

You really shouldn't talk about the glories of TOS if you really mean the movies anymore than you would if you mean TAS. The films go infinitely farther in considering the ramifications and consequences of Kirk and Spock's actions along with the expanded characterization of everyone. Barely anyone develops as a character over the series and all the aliens are as heavy-handed inferior allegories as much as those in TNG.
 
Which is probably why Roddenberry hated all five of the movies he didn't make and considered them to be non-canon when doing TNG. They had to lock him in a closet until they got II made because he wanted to make it about the Enterprise going back in time to kill JFK because that was real Trek.

Gene Roddenberry was a controlaholic it seems.

And I haven't been following Discovery but you just depressed me, Benji. I saw the purple Klingon (my favorite race :tocry) on Facebook and have tuned out on the show ever since.

This sounds truly dreadful and lol at that JFK movie.

I feel like DS9 is a better product of Gene's vision than TNG. TNG was made too sterile and it never really recovered from it.
That was Gene's vision and his mandated rule for TNG. That humanity would have evolved past any kind of conflict, even personal. Starfleet would just be a bunch of altruistic all knowing stereotypes who would fly around and lecture lesser races to be better or they wouldn't be allowed in the club.

DS9 doesn't break Gene's rule either, that's why half the cast had to be made into non-Starfleet personnel.

I know all about Gene's rule and TNG suffers for it. In many ways it's a blessing that Gene's vision of Trek died with him.

I love how DS9 pokes fun at the Federation.

"Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes."
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benjipwns

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« Reply #24940 on: September 11, 2017, 09:37:14 PM »

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« Reply #24941 on: September 11, 2017, 09:38:25 PM »
One of the best exchanges in Star Trek :lawd



lmao benji beat me to it

Himu

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Re: Other Forum Megathread of Trash People for Trash People
« Reply #24942 on: September 11, 2017, 09:39:23 PM »
"You're overlooking something. Humans used to be a lot worse than Ferengi. Slavery, concentration camps, interstellar war. We have nothing in our past that approaches that level of barbarism. You see, we're nothing like you. We're better."

Make me like misogynistic, capitalistic characters, brehs.

Benji find me a clip of this quote. That character interaction. It's too good. :lawd
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« Reply #24943 on: September 11, 2017, 09:43:36 PM »
That's the best defense I've ever read for TNG. I like that you didn't list Troi because she's such a shit character.

I can get that and respect it a lot but still don't find them interesting besides Picard and Worf. Like Riker feels too much of a Kirk place-in as a foil to Picard but Riker feels too much of a brown noser. Gene's rule for "no drama or conflict" for TNG really hurt it I think and it doesn't ever meet its true potential. I would have liked to see Riker and Picard's personalities clash more, or the series explore more of the side characters like they did in Lower Decks, or even Picard's struggle with becoming a Borg. But your defense of TNG's characters I can buy, even if I don't entirely agree.
Troi is a character that exists to help other characters explore themselves. That's why her character focused episodes all felt flat. But yeah Riker definitely respected Picard to a fault, which is why he never wanted a ship of his own. He was holding himself up to the standard of Picard and felt he couldn't be the same captain. In the end Gene's rules were what held that series back. Would be interesting to see the show you are describing but I'm okay with TNG as it played out. And that's why DS9 exists, to show the dirtier side of the Trek future.

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« Reply #24944 on: September 11, 2017, 09:44:11 PM »

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« Reply #24945 on: September 11, 2017, 09:44:31 PM »
Using the Star Trek movies to prove your point about each series... :confused

There's like two great movies in the TOS six, two good ones, and two really shitty ones.

All the TNG movies are shit.

What does that have to do with the actual series? TNG movies got fucked over left and right by shitty producers like Rick Berman who wanted all the subtlety of the show stripped away to keep pace with the Hollywood big boys. Not even realizing that Wrath of Khan was done in like three weeks on a shoestring budget and practically saved the entire franchise from nerd nichedom single-handedly.

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« Reply #24946 on: September 11, 2017, 09:49:40 PM »

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« Reply #24947 on: September 11, 2017, 09:52:06 PM »
perfect clip for you Queen:

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« Reply #24948 on: September 11, 2017, 09:55:19 PM »
i've often longed for a chance to reference this scene somehow in real life:


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« Reply #24949 on: September 11, 2017, 09:57:09 PM »
Using the Star Trek movies to prove your point about each series... :confused

There's like two great movies in the TOS six, two good ones, and two really shitty ones.

All the TNG movies are shit.

What does that have to do with the actual series? TNG movies got fucked over left and right by shitty producers like Rick Berman who wanted all the subtlety of the show stripped away to keep pace with the Hollywood big boys. Not even realizing that Wrath of Khan was done in like three weeks on a shoestring budget and practically saved the entire franchise from nerd nichedom single-handedly.

I think TOS has more episodes that fulfill my type of Trek: 60's style Sci-fi philosophical episodes like Man Trap, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, or City On The Edge Of Forever for instance that wouldn't feel out of place on Twilight Zone. It has adventure. It has danger. TNG doesn't have nearly as much planet hopping or danger. I think TOS explored its characters better as well. I'm using the movies as examples of why I think TOS is better than TNG. Like the show, TOS movies are diverse, feature interesting worlds and scenarios. They explore the characters and their predispositions and quirks. Yet at the same time they're fun adventure movies. My favorite one is VI. Compared to TNG movies. Like the show, TNG movies are limited by creative meddling and poor quality control. They're not based on interesting premises like IV or VI  for instance, but gimmicks like Generations. I just find more to like about TOS even though it's not perfect.
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« Reply #24950 on: September 11, 2017, 10:03:05 PM »
Insurrection had potential but really fell on its face. First Contact is the best of the TNG movies. Solid flick.

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« Reply #24951 on: September 11, 2017, 10:05:18 PM »
Haven't seen First Contact since I was a kid.
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« Reply #24952 on: September 11, 2017, 10:06:16 PM »
if i have any real problem with DS9 it's that i always thought this kind of scene (along with the Eddington stuff) proved Sisko's sudden attack of conscience in "In The Pale Moonlight" was a bit over the top (or was it all for show by Sisko :ohhh)

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« Reply #24953 on: September 11, 2017, 10:06:55 PM »
perfect clip for you Queen:


Time for Picard to switch to green.
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« Reply #24954 on: September 11, 2017, 10:07:57 PM »


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« Reply #24955 on: September 11, 2017, 10:12:50 PM »
First Contact works because it has the plotline on Earth, Generations was never going to work because they were writing All Good Things... at the same time and all the good stuff was put in that script

also, Generations had this gigantic list of mandates by Paramount, all these things that had to be in the movie, couldn't be in the movie, etc. like Klingons had to be villains, Kirk had to get so much screen time, they couldn't make too many references to stuff from the series, a new villain with a big name actor had to be used instead, etc. and then Paramount slashed the budget a bunch of times and demanded further and further rewrites

First Contact had essentially none of that, especially after they pitched half of it as Aliens but with the Borg

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« Reply #24956 on: September 11, 2017, 10:14:00 PM »
Using the Star Trek movies to prove your point about each series... :confused

There's like two great movies in the TOS six, two good ones, and two really shitty ones.

All the TNG movies are shit.

What does that have to do with the actual series? TNG movies got fucked over left and right by shitty producers like Rick Berman who wanted all the subtlety of the show stripped away to keep pace with the Hollywood big boys. Not even realizing that Wrath of Khan was done in like three weeks on a shoestring budget and practically saved the entire franchise from nerd nichedom single-handedly.

I think TOS has more episodes that fulfill my type of Trek: 60's style Sci-fi philosophical episodes like Man Trap, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, or City On The Edge Of Forever for instance that wouldn't feel out of place on Twilight Zone. It has adventure. It has danger. TNG doesn't have nearly as much planet hopping or danger. I think TOS explored its characters better as well. I'm using the movies as examples of why I think TOS is better than TNG. Like the show, TOS movies are diverse, feature interesting worlds and scenarios. They explore the characters and their predispositions and quirks. Yet at the same time they're fun adventure movies. My favorite one is VI. Compared to TNG movies. Like the show, TNG movies are limited by creative meddling and poor quality control. They're not based on interesting premises like IV or VI  for instance, but gimmicks like Generations. I just find more to like about TOS even though it's not perfect.

Sorry, equating TNG the show with TNG the movies will never make sense to me. They're completely different.

TOS movies did a much better job capturing the show, and that's why (most of them) turned out well. TNG movies are dumb action schlock that completely disregard not only so much of the canon (see: Jean Luc's completely invented Borg PTSD bullshit that was already handled much better on the show) but also the entire point and appeal of the franchise in general.

Regardless of how you feel about RLM, the first Plinkett reviews were entirely focused on the TNG movies (before they went viral with The Phantom Menace review) and I agree with a lot of what Mike thinks about those movies. They're worth looking up because they explain what I'm saying here a hell of a lot better. (I also don't think the reviews are absolute gospel and have a few problems of my own with them, but they get the gist of what I'm saying here.)

First Contact was alright outside of the aforementioned canon-cancelling nonsense and Sudden Action Hero Picard (56-Year Old Grandpa Edition.)

Your argument does not and will never make sense to me. C'est la vie. TNG rules.

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« Reply #24957 on: September 11, 2017, 10:18:07 PM »
Reducing my argument about TNG to just how I feel about the movies is ridiculous. The movies are just one tangent I've said about TNG. Why do you keep harping on the movies. Read what Nachobro and I were talking about. You are not talking with me at all. It's just going off on random tangents rather than biting into actual meat of my argument as to why TNG isn't that good like how Roddenberry's mandate made it to be a mic weaker show. But ok.
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« Reply #24958 on: September 11, 2017, 10:18:39 PM »
First Contact works because it has the plotline on Earth, Generations was never going to work because they were writing All Good Things... at the same time and all the good stuff was put in that script

also, Generations had this gigantic list of mandates by Paramount, all these things that had to be in the movie, couldn't be in the movie, etc. like Klingons had to be villains, Kirk had to get so much screen time, they couldn't make too many references to stuff from the series, a new villain with a big name actor had to be used instead, etc. and then Paramount slashed the budget a bunch of times and demanded further and further rewrites

First Contact had essentially none of that, especially after they pitched half of it as Aliens but with the Borg

All Good Things is a better TNG movie than any of the actual TNG movies. Solid gold.

Himu, that is what you should be comparing to the TOS movies IMO.

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« Reply #24959 on: September 11, 2017, 10:19:13 PM »
Reducing my argument about TNG to just how I feel about the movies is ridiculous. The movies are just one tangent I've said about TNG. Why do you keep harping on the movies. Read what Nachobro and I were talking about. You are not talking with me at all. It's just going off on random tangents rather than biting into actual meat of my argument as to why TNG isn't that good like how Roddenberry's mandate made it to be a mic weaker show. But ok.

You didn't even know about that mandate until last page, lmao.