Nintendo Switch Thread

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Nintendo won.

[Tasty]

VR needs a decent graphics card no?  With nintendo I'm bettering you'd get two 240p screens an in inch from your eyes.

My Daydream View is pretty great. 

Though that screen is 1080p and much higher PPI...

There's no reason they couldn't do a PSVR setup with an entire separate box with an additional GPU.

[Tasty]

1-2 Switch is like WarioWare with all the style and manic zaniness replaced with Ubisoft's shovelware aesthetic.

Maybe it'll work for them and sell well?

(Probably not tho)

[Raist]

VR needs a decent graphics card no?  With nintendo I'm bettering you'd get two 240p screens an in inch from your eyes.

There's no reason they couldn't do a PSVR setup with an entire separate box with an additional GPU.

It doesn't do any extra processing.

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PS4 doesn't have a high bandwith port that would allow to hook up an external GPU, and I'm pretty sure neither does the Switch.

[Raist]

PS4 doesn't have a high bandwith port that would allow to hook up an external GPU, and I'm pretty sure neither does the Switch.

Nothing does. Even thunderbolt is orders of magnitudes too slow.

[Tasty]

Then what the fuck is that giant-ass external box for?

[Raist]

Giant? It's like, 1/4th the size of the OG PS4.

It splits and de-warps the signal for TV display.

[TakingBackSunday]

I know this is going to get pounced on, but for real though...

who gives a shit about having a web browser?  There are literally four other devices in my reach at the moment that have a far better browser than whatever Nintendo would shit out on the Switch

[Tasty]

Giant? It's like, 1/4th the size of the OG PS4.

It splits and de-warps the signal for TV display.

Yeah and the 360 power brick was 1/4 the size of that system or whatever. Still a giant extra dongle to shove somewhere next to your TV.

[bork]

I know this is going to get pounced on, but for real though...

who gives a shit about having a web browser?  There are literally four other devices in my reach at the moment that have a far better browser than whatever Nintendo would shit out on the Switch

We had this discussion already.

What is the point of having a tablet with a touch screen if it's not going to have anything that uses it?  Why are they leaving out basic features and applications that not only do their competition offer on their devices, but that Nintendo had on their previous devices? 

While I don't think in a million years they could cut into iPad sales, they could offer a low-cost alternative and have a nice little tablet that browses and streams in addition to being a console/portable gaming machine.

Let's not offer that, but let's bring back waggle instead, bros.  Party like it's 2005.

Oh wait...the Wii had a browser. 

[Tasty]

I know when I buy a Nintendo system it's for the browser.

Who needs games anyways.

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[bork]

Who needs games anyways.

Said everyone who got a Wii U.

[Mr. Gundam]

I don't care if dedicated consoles don't have a browser and trying to navigate the web on a PSP and 3DS is a pain in the ass, but it wouldn't hurt for the Switch to have one if you can really take it with you on the go.

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1. The main demographic for nintendo is kids
2. kids want a tablet
3. kids want youtube and shit
4. parents wont buy a 299 dollar tablet without youtube/netflix

it really is that simple

[bork]

I don't care if dedicated consoles don't have a browser and trying to navigate the web on a PSP and 3DS is a pain in the ass, but it wouldn't hurt for the Switch to have one if you can really take it with you on the go.

Right...it's portable and it's a full-on (small) tablet with a touch screen.  Having some basic tablet functionality would make all kinds of sense.  Others have said it may not have one because they are afraid it will lead to exploits being run.  And I say to that "come on, Nintendo...it's gonna happen anyway."  Especially with that micro SD card slot. 

[Tasty]

When you're "on the go" with the Switch how often are you near a trusted wi-fi network though?

I mean it'd make a lot more sense if the Switch had 3G or something, but the two main use-cases are:

1. In the dock at home.
2. In the car/train/plane/etc.

When are you going to be using the web browser?

Netflix makes more sense (especially with offline Netflix now) and would ideally be a separate, optional app eventually.

[Fifstar]

1. The main demographic for nintendo is kids
2. kids want a tablet
3. kids want youtube and shit
4. parents wont buy a 299 dollar tablet without youtube/netflix

it really is that simple

So that's the reason the WiiU (which supported Netflix and a browser on the tablet) sold gangbusters with families, yes?

Everybody already has enough devices to use browsers and Netflix on and you can get solid tablets for much less than that.

It's too expensive, at least for smaller children period. A browser wouldn't change shit for that target group.

[Joe Molotov]

Guys, who cares about crap like Netflix and a Browser that you already have on 15 different devices, Nintendo consoles are all about the games!


...and the Switch doesn't have any of those either. 

[bork]

When you're "on the go" with the Switch how often are you near a trusted wi-fi network though?

What does that have to do with it though?  You could say that for any (wifi only) tablet.

I mean it'd make a lot more sense if the Switch had 3G or something, but the two main use-cases are:

1. In the dock at home.
2. In the car/train/plane/etc.

When are you going to be using the web browser?

...When it's not docked?  The whole part of the appeal here is that you can take the Switch with you anywhere and use it wherever.  People aren't just going to plop it in the dock at home and never use it anywhere away from their TV.  Even the commercials for it are like "USE IT IN BED!  ON THE TOILET!  BURNING YOUR FOOD IN THE KITCHEN!"

[bork]

So that's the reason the WiiU (which supported Netflix and a browser on the tablet) sold gangbusters with families, yes?

The Wii U tablet had a non-HD screen with shitty 2004-era touch functionality, poor range away from the console, crappy battery life, and it was bulky and 'heavy' for what it was. 

Everybody already has enough devices to use browsers and Netflix on and you can get solid tablets for much less than that.

...Everybody already has enough devices to play games on, too. So what?  The point here is that with the right apps available, you have an all-in-one device on the cheap (for what it is).

It's too expensive, at least for smaller children period. A browser wouldn't change shit for that target group.

It's not too expensive versus an iPad.

[Rufus]

It's too expensive, at least for smaller children period. A browser wouldn't change shit for that target group.

It's not too expensive versus an iPad.

That's not good.

[bork]

It's too expensive, at least for smaller children period. A browser wouldn't change shit for that target group.

It's not too expensive versus an iPad.

That's not good.

If I look at it as a console, it's too expensive.

If I look at it as a portable, it's priced well considering the tech and what it can do.

And if I look at the components, I have to wonder how much cheaper it would be without the dock and that hd rumble nonsense in the controllers.  I bet it could be priced $150, easily, without that stuff.

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Cant believe someone brought up the Wii U

As Bork says, this would have been better with no rumble and detachable controllers that no one is going to use and then sell for 150.

[Fifstar]

So that's the reason the WiiU (which supported Netflix and a browser on the tablet) sold gangbusters with families, yes?

The Wii U tablet had a non-HD screen with shitty 2004-era touch functionality, poor range away from the console, crappy battery life, and it was bulky and 'heavy' for what it was. 

Everybody already has enough devices to use browsers and Netflix on and you can get solid tablets for much less than that.

...Everybody already has enough devices to play games on, too. So what?  The point here is that with the right apps available, you have an all-in-one device on the cheap (for what it is).

It's too expensive, at least for smaller children period. A browser wouldn't change shit for that target group.

It's not too expensive versus an iPad.

First of all, I'm not arguing that Netflix, a browser or other apps wouldn't nice to have. Netflix would actually be cool for me personally as I don't have a tablet and it would be an okay screen for watching movies on the train. just don't believe that the Switch missing those features will have a significant impact on its sales potential.

Regarding your answers:

1. You're right that the Switch would be better suited for those apps than the WiiU tablet. Still those capabilities where there and for kids and in lots of situations they were good enough. Didn't have impact on sales -> my general argument that those features aren't significant for sales.

2. Again, I don't believe it would lead to additional sales. The effect such additional features have diminishes greatly when those features are already avaible on other devices people already have. Remember that the Wii couldn't play DVD movies?

3. Ipad? Families that buy new Ipad's for their kids won't have a problem with buying an additional Switch for their kids either. My reference point here are tablets that cost 100$ or that come for free with your phone contract. Those are the devices that families buy for their kids. The switch is just to expensive to compete with such devices - Netflix or not.

[Tasty]

http://kotaku.com/does-anyone-actually-use-the-internet-browser-on-their-1792130061

[Joe Molotov]

I look up trophy guides on the Vita so I can tab over to it and check it while I'm playing. Of course, the Switch doesn't have achievements either.

[Mr. Gundam]

I saw someone bring up a good point about the lack of a web browser. Some Wifi hot spots force a browser screen popup to login to their service. I'm sure there is a workaround, but would Nintendo bother to do it?

[bork]

http://kotaku.com/does-anyone-actually-use-the-internet-browser-on-their-1792130061

I can see nobody using the browsers on their consoles.  The browsers on the Vita and 3DS aren't that great.

The Switch being a full-on tablet, however, means that a good browser would work well.  It's different than what's listed in that poll.

2. Again, I don't believe it would lead to additional sales. The effect such additional features have diminishes greatly when those features are already avaible on other devices people already have. Remember that the Wii couldn't play DVD movies?

This is pretty much where we disagree.  I think a Switch that had full-on tablet features could be something.  And I totally think they missed the boat by not having be Android-compatible.  But I can also see why they didn't do that for a multitude of reasons.

[Tasty]

Nintendo making an Android tablet would be a disaster.

And yeah, this thing isn't losing sales because of not having a fuckin' browser lol.

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maybe not the browser but no youtube and netflix will cost it sales

doesnt matter if you have other devices that do it because when you are going somewhere with your kids you dont want 5000 devices and then end up giving them your phone

if you dont get this you are out of touch to the realities of parenting

[Raist]

The point is that once again Nintendo is lagging behind on features that are super common. And that were included on their previous platforms.
And that yes, you have on a vast majority of electronic devices these days. Which I don't think is a good defense, but makes it even worse.

The point is also that they're talking of a paid online service, and yet they're launching their console with half the basic stuff that one would expect for an online-capable console missing, being obnoxious, or "not ready yet". That doesn't sound extremely reassuring.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I don't see a lack of browser or Netflix causing sales to drop by that much but that's because the Switch is just going to sell to the hardcore Nintendo faithful anyway.  Nice to see that Nintendo is as lazy as ever.

[bork]

The point is that once again Nintendo is lagging behind on features that are super common. And that were included on their previous platforms.
And that yes, you have on a vast majority of electronic devices these days. Which I don't think is a good defense, but makes it even worse.

The point is also that they're talking of a paid online service, and yet they're launching their console with half the basic stuff that one would expect for an online-capable console missing, being obnoxious, or "not ready yet". That doesn't sound extremely reassuring.

Yup.  No excuse not to have those features, period.

[Madrun Badrun]

I don't care about browsers.  It does exemplify Nintendo's sever lack of investment in online, especially in the gamecube and wii eras.  They will always be behind now.

[bork]

http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/8/14544938/nintendo-switch-tablet-netflix-browser-opportunity

The Nintendo Switch is missing a golden tablet opportunity

Just put Netflix and a web browser on it

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Stupid mainstream media not appreciating nintendos games only purist approach

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They probably figure the early adopters are going to be focused on the system as a games machine. So they can have all the other mass marketable tablet features ready for the christmas holiday shopping season and keep the focus on gaming for now to appease the core audience of gamers. The people who are going to spend 300$ on a switch between now and november, are going to do so with or without netflix and a browser.

[Huff]

Can you imagine being at a party and someone breaks out a switch

Like would you ask him to leave? Or maybe use the screen to do drugs off of

[Joe Molotov]

Can you imagine being at a party and someone breaks out a switch

Like would you ask him to leave? Or maybe use the screen to do drugs off of

You mean like a child's birthday party?

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Can you imagine being at a party and someone breaks out a switch

Like would you ask him to leave? Or maybe use the screen to do drugs off of

You mean like a child's birthday party?

or brandnews

[TakingBackSunday]

hey guis who wants to player mario kart with me on this 5 inch screen

guis

[Tasty]

hey guis who wants to player mario kart with me on this 5 inch screen

guis

8-player local multiplayer though

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

This POS is about two weeks out and there's virtually nonexistent levels of hype for it.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

It honestly would not surprise me if the PS4 is able to outsell the Switch in March, at least in America and Europe.

[bluemax]

Can you imagine being at a party and someone breaks out a switch

Like would you ask him to leave? Or maybe use the screen to do drugs off of

I was at a party this weekend where someone busted out Drawful 2 via Jackbox.tv on the PS4, but that worked because it was on a big tv and people just had to draw pictures on their phones, which is easily understandable for a bunch of drunk people (also most of the people at this party work in games).

Tiny screen switch, not so much.

It honestly would not surprise me if the PS4 is able to outsell the Switch in March, at least in America and Europe.

If the NES classic mini wasn't supply constrained it would probably outsell the Switch.

[Trent Dole]

If the NES classic mini wasn't supply constrained it would probably outsell the Switch.

Maybe that's why it is!

[naff]

One of the reasons I really liked the xbox and ps3 was it was almost like having a PC connected to my tv, I could watch nba on league pass, Netflix, yt etc and as I play less games it's a pretty important part of why I'd bother having a console connected to the tv. Sure im casual af, but I also casually dump money into games I will play half of or never start on the reg, if I have the console sitting there.

[bork]

I just realized the only two multiplayer games at launch are $60 versions of both Bomberman and Wii Sports.

  Nintendo

Just Dance 2017 and 1,2 Switch, too!!!!

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[bluemax]

It really doesn't feel like this thing is launching in 2.5 weeks. I can't wait for the launch day disaster on GAF.

[Raist]

It really doesn't feel like this thing is launching in 2.5 weeks. I can't wait for the launch day disaster on GAF.

But preorders

[bork]

What "disaster" are you guys expecting?  People are going to be fapping all over Zelda and once that high fades, the realization that there's not much else available will set in.  That's about it.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

It really doesn't feel like this thing is launching in 2.5 weeks. I can't wait for the launch day disaster on GAF.

But preorders

I remember the numerous articles written about how Wii U pre-orders exceeded the Wii by some exponential factor.  Yet on launch day every retailer had them readily available to buy.

I assume the pre-orders are actually units that retailers order in advance which is just standard and obvious retail practice.

[archie4208]

https://vid.me/oQkO

[Raist]

https://vid.me/oQkO

So out of the box it's already down to 25.9GB

[bluemax]

What "disaster" are you guys expecting?  People are going to be fapping all over Zelda and once that high fades, the realization that there's not much else available will set in.  That's about it.

When people start turning it on and seeing how half assed everything about it is I guess. But yeah it feels a bit like the Wii, there's Zelda and nothing.

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I dont think it feels like the Wii at all. The Wii for all it shit hardware was something fresh and promising and different.

This is more like, oh its a tablet with a tv out but without tablet apps? 

[Raist]

The whole concept is just weird. It seems like Nintendo went "well let's try the WiiU again, this time with no range limit of the controller. Oh and let's slap waggle controllers on. These worked great last time".

It's fairly striking that this thing looks exactly like the early WiiU prototype - a tablet with two Wii controllers attached to it.

I was really expecting them to actually integrate the console and handheld aspects, but having a "real" console, with a compatible handheld that would allow you to take games and saves on the go. Instead they made this bastard child of their previous consoles with this thing, and instead of being both a console and a handheld, it feels more like a handheld that you can use on your TV. I mean, that's all what the dock is.... a TV out. So it's not good as a console because it's incredibly limited, and not good as a handheld because it's way too large and has low battery capacity.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Nintendo has good ideas but they are too cheap and lazy to execute these ideas competently.

Also the Switch is now two weeks out with no hype whatsoever.  Even the Zerudafags I know personally don't know about the Switch or don't care about the Switch.  This thing is going to collapse like a sack of bricks from day one.