Sega Saturn vs Nintendo Wii U [Also 32X]

[Cerveza mas fina]

For me the clear, clear, winner is Sega Saturn of course with a much better library then you expect from a console that sold only 9.5 million units.

Compared to the 13.5 million units of the Wii U and lack of games it's a bit odd really.

[Momo]

Jesus Christ this isnt close, The Saturn had legit games

[a slime appears]

This is important: US Sega Saturn or Japanese Sega Saturn?

Wii U is definitely better than US Saturn but Japanese Saturn stomps Wii U.

[tiesto]

Saturn by far:

Radiant Silvergun
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Shining Force 3
Guardian Heroes
Far East of Eden: The Apocalypse IV
X-Men vs Street Fighter
Waku Waku 7
Groove On Fight
Magic Knight Rayearth
Dragon Force
Shining the Holy Ark
Galactic Attack/Layer Section
Batsugun
Battle Garegga
Steamgear Mash
Astal
Sega Rally
Virtua Cop
Samurai Spirits RPG
Linkle Liver Story
Shienryu
Tryrush Deppy
Langrisser 3-5
Wachenroder

Amazing system if you don't mind importing, have cash, and like 2D, shmups, and fighting games. Which describes me to a tee (except for the "having cash", I did when I first started collecting for the system at least)

[demi]

WiiU has Tokyo Mirage Sessions, I pick WiiU

[a slime appears]

Saturn by far:

Radiant Silvergun
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Shining Force 3
Guardian Heroes
Far East of Eden: The Apocalypse IV
X-Men vs Street Fighter
Waku Waku 7
Groove On Fight
Magic Knight Rayearth
Dragon Force
Shining the Holy Ark
Galactic Attack/Layer Section
Batsugun
Battle Garegga
Steamgear Mash
Astal
Sega Rally
Virtua Cop
Samurai Spirits RPG
Linkle Liver Story
Shienryu
Tryrush Deppy
Langrisser 3-5
Wachenroder

Amazing system if you don't mind importing, have cash, and like 2D, shmups, and fighting games. Which describes me to a tee (except for the "having cash", I did when I first started collecting for the system at least)

Hey Tiesto, can you mention which of those are Japan exclusive? I forgot the breakdown.

[Great Rumbler]

Dark Savior was pretty dope.

[Momo]

Burning Rangers

[bork]

I gotcha, Slime-

Japanese-only releases from Tiesto's list:

Radiant Silvergun
Far East of Eden: The Apocalypse IV
X-Men vs Street Fighter
Waku Waku 7
Groove On Fight
Batsugun
Battle Garegga
Steamgear Mash
Samurai Spirits RPG
Linkle Liver Story
Shienryu
Tryrush Deppy
Langrisser 3-5
Wachenroder

And the Saturn being able to easily play imports, with a converter, makes it much better than the Wii U.  But even the U.S. Saturn shits all over it too.

Really it boils down to the Sega games and arcade ports, the Capcom arcade ports, and some of the other arcade ports and the original 2D games/RPGs shitting all over the Wii U.

Gotta say, I pretty much never play my Saturn anymore though.  I'd rather just play the ROMs of all the arcade ports I have instead of the Saturn ports.  Been thinking about selling it off.  I see that games like Burning Rangers and Magic Knight Rayearth go for insanely high prices now.

Also take Waku Waku 7 off that list.  It's not the best of ports and a much better, pretty much perfect version is on PS2.  The best version of the Samurai Spirits RPG is the Neo CD version.  But I'm just being ultra nitpicky now.

[Positive Touch]

the only people who'd chose wiiu would be the same people who'd pick n64 over the ps1

[Positive Touch]

also I've heard Saturns are starting to die out. they stop working, and replacement parts are apparently getting harder to find. i know mine had some difficulty starting up when i dusted it off this year. hopefully someone finds a way around this because there's too many great games on it that weren't ported or aren't emulatable

[bork]

the only people who'd chose wiiu would be the same people who'd pick n64 over the ps1

Oh man, this GAF thread on the N64 is gold.  The N64 had some good games, sure, but it in no way even comes close to the PS1 and even Saturn in terms of quality titles.  "Quality over quantity."   So much crap on that system.

[benjipwns]

lol at some of the super specific accolades

"Best FPS platform for that era that launched with an analog controller and had four player support out of the box."

The N64 had decent 3rd party ports, like THPS2, we had sports games from NHL to Fifa, awesome ports like Rayman... but this thing was a monster shooter machine! It basically cultivated the Xbox demographic before it came to be.

horrible sports ports with EA porting the prior years games for NHL and NBA Live while THPS2 had worse draw distance and textures than the PS1 version somehow, Rayman being put on the N64 (as the lead platform) literally offended Ancel for ruining the textures..."monster shooter machine" that people can name like three games in the genre for...cultivated the Xbox demographic

[mormapope]

People that defend the N64 deserve to have the controller shoved up their ass.

lol at some of the super specific accolades

"Best FPS platform for that era that launched with an analog controller and had four player support out of the box."

The N64 had decent 3rd party ports, like THPS2, we had sports games from NHL to Fifa, awesome ports like Rayman... but this thing was a monster shooter machine! It basically cultivated the Xbox demographic before it came to be.

horrible sports ports with EA porting the prior years games for NHL and NBA Live while THPS2 had worse draw distance and textures than the PS1 version somehow, Rayman being put on the N64 (as the lead platform) literally offended Ancel for ruining the textures..."monster shooter machine" that people can name like three games in the genre for...cultivated the Xbox demographic

Best single analog controller for FPS games ever.

Best FPS console games of the era.

Best 3D platform games of the era.

Best Action Adventure games of the era.


You couldn't be more wrong.

 

[benjipwns]

Bomberman was basically a Nintendo Icon during this time with 3 exclusive titles and Konami also had the 3D Castelvania titles going

while the Playstation and Saturn got fucking Symphony of the Night

[Momo]

People that defend the N64 deserve to have the controller shoved up their ass.

That's one way of experiencing the tri-force 

[Momo]

Symphony of the night had extra levels, bosses and an extra encounter with Maria + remixed music that the PS version didnt have.

[bork]

I mean, let's give it credit where it's due- Super Mario 64 was hugely innovative and essentially became the template for so many 3D platformers.  OK.  Goldeneye brought a new kind of FPS experience to consoles and had 2P-4P local multiplayer on a single console, which was a first, IIRC.  OK.  Then you have your other Nintendo games like Wave Race, the Zeldas, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., some more RARE stuff, some wrasslin' games, and...that's about it.

There were also things during that era that I never understood.  Like Capcom releasing Street Fighter Alpha 2 for the SNES instead of the Nintendo 64.  LOLWUT.

[mormapope]

Like, its hard to put into words how people put clunky and barely functional collectathon platformers and FPS games that run at 10 FPS on some sort of golden pedestal. The N64 had a boring library at the time of release. 

[mormapope]

The "quality over quantity" argument basically boils down to "my parents got me the console and I got games on my birthday and Christmas."

[benjipwns]

it was also literally Nintendo's argument at the time

Dream Team 

  dat lanch window: Crusin' USA, Mortal Kombat Trilogy, Killer Instinct Gold, Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey, NBA Hangtime

[bork]

I worked retail during this time and the Nintendo 64 was a software drought machine most of the time.  The thirst for new games was very real and people would go nuts for anything remotely decent on the system.  We imported Mario Kart 64, which came with a controller, and sold it for $200 a pop...and sold right out.  People would grow bored and trade their systems in, then rush to buy them back when the next Nintendo title hit six months later.  It was great for business but so hard to recommend that system.  For a while we used to just refer to it as "The Nintendo Goldeneye" since that's all anyone gave a shit about.

Like, its hard to put into words how people put clunky and barely functional collectathon platformers and FPS games that run at 10 FPS on some sort of golden pedestal. The N64 had a boring library at the time of release.

Library?  LOL.  It launched with Super Mario 64 and Pilotwings 64. 

[bork]

I was so disappointed with the Cruisn' USA and Killer Instinct ports.  All that missing animation. 

[benjipwns]

it's funny how those were the only truly shown ULTRA 64 games for like two years, and the console version will be even better with finished hardware!!!!

[Sho Nuff]

Pfffft

Saturn, no contest

Get out of my condo

[Positive Touch]

i cannot stress enough how subpar goldeneye and perfect dark were compared to their contemporaries on pc. each definitely had some cool innovative stuff at the time, but they were not anywhere close to the same league as the top quality pc stuff.

[benjipwns]

at least you didn't need a low quality PC to run them at 12 fps

[Cerveza mas fina]

This is important: US Sega Saturn or Japanese Sega Saturn?

Wii U is definitely better than US Saturn but Japanese Saturn stomps Wii U.

eu saturn for me,  what did japan get exclusive?

edit: i see bork solved it

[Cerveza mas fina]

also I've heard Saturns are starting to die out. they stop working, and replacement parts are apparently getting harder to find. i know mine had some difficulty starting up when i dusted it off this year. hopefully someone finds a way around this because there's too many great games on it that weren't ported or aren't emulatable

my saturn got stolen two years ago 😢

[Sho Nuff]

At the show I got a cartridge that lets you play CD-Rs on Saturn (thank god, I was never gonna get copies of some stuff I wanted) but now I'm all worried the drive is gonna go out. Hopefully by then that guy who figured out how to bust the DRM through the VideoCD port will have his device in production.

[bork]

i cannot stress enough how subpar goldeneye and perfect dark were compared to their contemporaries on pc. each definitely had some cool innovative stuff at the time, but they were not anywhere close to the same league as the top quality pc stuff.

What played like Goldeneye and Perfect Dark on PC?  Everything was like Quake/UT at the time.  I guess No One Lives Forever and Half-Life come close...but weren't those released after Goldeneye?

You have to give that game props for the way it played and allowing for local MP the way it did. 

[bork]

This is important: US Sega Saturn or Japanese Sega Saturn?

Wii U is definitely better than US Saturn but Japanese Saturn stomps Wii U.

eu saturn for me,  what did japan get exclusive?

edit: i see bork solved it

There's way, way more than what's on that list.  While English localizations died out pretty fast, there were a ton of awesome Japanese games that kept coming out.  Sega outside Japan ditched the console pretty fast.  We never even got the other parts to Shining Force III.

Stuff was being released even after the Dreamcast was out, and in some cases multi-platform games were better on the Saturn than they were on the Dreamcast, like Street Fighter Zero 3.  Most of the games I own for the Saturn are Japanese.  Actually most of my PS1 games are too, although a lot of those titles did get localized, at least.

if you liked 2D games during that era, Saturn was the way to go, without question. 

Except for Neo-Geo games.  Most of them were average or crappy on Saturn.  Sound and animation issues.  They never used the 4MB RAM expansion cart though.  For a year or so I was all about the Neo CD and had virtually the entire game library for it.  It was almost all I played...then the system died.  I got a replacement and it died too.  Then I got an AES and could afford like 1-2 carts if I was lucky. 

[Great Rumbler]

N64 did have a lot of good games, but it definitely wasn't as good as the PS1.

[Joe Molotov]

Saturn was the Vita of home consoles, some initial token support and then nothing but weebshit the rest of the way down.

[bork]

N64 did have a lot of good games, but it definitely wasn't as good as the PS1.

Can we really even say "a lot of good games?"  It's a pretty small amount IMO.

[bork]

Saturn was the Vita of home consoles, some initial token support and then nothing but weebshit the rest of the way down.

That was when Japanese developers dominated console games though.

[Great Rumbler]

N64 did have a lot of good games, but it definitely wasn't as good as the PS1.

Can we really even say "a lot of good games?"  It's a pretty small amount IMO.

I could probably rattle off 20-30 that I really liked, though I guess it depends on whether you would consider that "a lot" or not.

[bork]

20-30?  I'd actually be curious.

But even then that's way lower than the amount of good games on the Saturn and Playstation.

[demi]

N64 the best

[AdmiralViscen]

At the show I got a cartridge that lets you play CD-Rs on Saturn (thank god, I was never gonna get copies of some stuff I wanted) but now I'm all worried the drive is gonna go out. Hopefully by then that guy who figured out how to bust the DRM through the VideoCD port will have his device in production.

Where can i get this

[Cerveza mas fina]

I liked theN64 library but Saturn clearly smokes it overall

N64 has Nintendo and Rare but Saturn has a lot more

[Great Rumbler]

20-30?  I'd actually be curious.

But even then that's way lower than the amount of good games on the Saturn and Playstation.

Alright, fine:

Super Mario 64
Banjo-Kazooie
Mischief Makers
Beetle Adventure Racing
Cruisin' World
F-Zero X
Diddy Kong Racing
Mario Kart 64
Orge Battle: Person of Lordly Caliber
Star Fox 64
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Goldeneye 64
Perfect Dark
Sin and Punishment
Mario Party series
Shadows of the Empire
Rogue Squadron
Mario Tennis
Blast Corps
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Jet Force Gemini
Super Smash Bros.
Yoshi's Story
Paper Mario
Mystical Ninja
Goemon's Great Adventure
Harvest Moon 64
Kirby 64
AKI wrestling games
NFL Blitz
Wave Race 64

I played a lot of N64 games.

[Cerveza mas fina]

There are some stinkers there though, like Im sure you liked them but stuff like Cruisin World, Beete Adventure Racing and Shadows of the Empire?

Where's Body Harvest?

[Great Rumbler]

Beetle Adventure Racing is a legit good racing game, Cruisin World was a ton of fun back in the day and I played it with my friends all the time. Shadow of the Empire is a bit of guilty pleasure, though, I admit.

[Sho Nuff]

At the show I got a cartridge that lets you play CD-Rs on Saturn (thank god, I was never gonna get copies of some stuff I wanted) but now I'm all worried the drive is gonna go out. Hopefully by then that guy who figured out how to bust the DRM through the VideoCD port will have his device in production.

Where can i get this

http://ppcenter.webou.net/pskai/

I have no idea how to do this myself, that's why I paid for the pre-made one 

[Raist]

There were also things during that era that I never understood.  Like Capcom releasing Street Fighter Alpha 2 for the SNES instead of the Nintendo 64.  LOLWUT.

Wasn't the N64 notoriously hot garbage for 2D?

[Great Rumbler]

N64 had a few games with 2D graphics that looked...well...alright, anyway. Storage space might have been a bigger issue at the time than the ability of the hardware itself to do 2D graphics, but I dunno.

Angel Studios performed some devil magic, though, with Resident Evil 2.

[benjipwns]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131556/postmortem_angel_studios_.php

warning devil magic inside, put on ur holy firewall

3. No Religious Attachment

[a slime appears]

Wii U is also better than Dreamcast.

[Trent Dole]

Wii U is also better than Dreamcast.

[a slime appears]

Legit question though, should I play Panzer Dragoon saga?

[Positive Touch]

not if you gotta pay $400 for it. i really like it but it's not a classic or anything. pirate or borrow it if you can.

[tiesto]

Fork over the $300+, play it over a weekend or 2 (it's about a 15 hour game), then put it back up on Ebay. You'll make most, if not all, of your $$ back. Fun game but I don't see myself replaying all too often, but it's nice to own.

[Cerveza mas fina]

its always been one of the games I wanted to play, my fucking neighbour had it (I lived opposite of a hardcore Sega fan) back when it came out but I never borrowed it.

[a slime appears]

I have a Saturn with Panzer Dragoon Saga CIB.

I also have a ton of games my buddy lent me and the Saturn is modded to play imports/copied games.

I am the worst Saturn owner, I haven't spent more than 5 minutes with it.

[Rufus]

I am the worst Saturn owner, I haven't spent more than 5 minutes with it.

Same. I bet mine doesn't even work any more, it's been sitting in a cardboard box so long now...

[a slime appears]

It's ok, I have a Wii U which is better.

[bork]

Lager calling Beetle Adventure Racing a stinker.

20-30?  I'd actually be curious.

But even then that's way lower than the amount of good games on the Saturn and Playstation.

Alright, fine:

Super Mario 64
Banjo-Kazooie
Mischief Makers
Beetle Adventure Racing
F-Zero X
Diddy Kong Racing
Mario Kart 64
Orge Battle: Person of Lordly Caliber
Star Fox 64
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Goldeneye 64
Perfect Dark
Sin and Punishment
Mario Party series
Rogue Squadron
Mario Tennis
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Jet Force Gemini
Super Smash Bros.
Yoshi's Story
Paper Mario
Goemon's Great Adventure
Harvest Moon 64
Kirby 64
AKI wrestling games
Wave Race 64

I played a lot of N64 games.

I took out the crap (and removed NFL Blitz, which was multi-plat).  So pretty much Nintendo, Rare, and wrasslin' like I said, with a few extras.  Not a big list considering the system's lifespan. 

[bork]

There were also things during that era that I never understood.  Like Capcom releasing Street Fighter Alpha 2 for the SNES instead of the Nintendo 64.  LOLWUT.

Wasn't the N64 notoriously hot garbage for 2D?

It handled the likes of Mortal Kombat Trilogy OK.  I don't see why they couldn't have tried something like SFA2.  Especially after the RAM expansion pak was released.

[tiesto]

One thing I always hated about the N64 are the graphics, it seems nearly every game looks the same... the muddy, blurry textures, the fog, the low resolution. It's also funny how there aren't very many games for the console but it got 5 snowboarding games, even some from Atlus of all people. That's the late 90's for you...