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« Reply #1440 on: December 26, 2016, 09:12:37 PM »
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« Reply #1441 on: December 27, 2016, 03:09:20 AM »
Liberal fascism - cause the libs are the ones that want to bring back internment camps, right. Goddamnit I'm triggered by a idiotic article benji posted. I suck. :stahp  :duh :gloomy :dizzy :ufup :trash
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« Reply #1442 on: December 27, 2016, 05:11:57 AM »
reduced to a quivering mass of whiny lieberal Jell-O :rejoice

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« Reply #1443 on: December 27, 2016, 11:08:21 AM »
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« Reply #1444 on: December 27, 2016, 12:03:09 PM »
Liberal fascism - cause the libs are the ones that want to bring back internment camps, right. Goddamnit I'm triggered by a idiotic article benji posted. I suck. :stahp  :duh :gloomy :dizzy :ufup :trash

Well libs are always saying we need another FDR.  :doge
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« Reply #1445 on: December 27, 2016, 07:47:37 PM »
But a lot of those same voters approve of Obama and his policies.

I mean, yes and no. Yes, Obama's policies did good. But at the same time, he was very slow in enacting them. There's also some policies that no-degree whites don't really agree with (depending on views) it's a hard to describe thing but Clinton going "I'm going to continue most of Obama's policies" did factor in for some of those voters.

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I don't see Trump's "party" (the Tea Party? IDK, so many different splinter factions now) really collapsing if ever given some of the folks on my Facebook feed. You've got some deep in the mud "#BlueLivesMatter" folks that don't want to admit (since they're cops) that "#notallcops" are good ones. I can't see the subtle racism going away

The people are there to stay but keeping them under one tent might prove difficult though.
The Obama backlash was because people earnestly believe he could carry those things, and I suspect quite a few Trump voters will go through that as well.

I can see that. I just wish all these splinter Republican factions would go properly third party so they'd die on the vine instead of hijacking the Republican party and making them go crazy/collapse like Trump did.

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« Reply #1446 on: December 27, 2016, 09:02:13 PM »
No I'm saying that a good chunk of non-degree white voters said they approved of Obama's policies in exit polls and still voted for Trump.
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« Reply #1447 on: December 27, 2016, 10:13:45 PM »
No I'm saying that a good chunk of non-degree white voters said they approved of Obama's policies in exit polls and still voted for Trump.

And I would say part of this speaks to the absence of a presence the Democratic party has in any form in many of these areas.

It's a lot easier to convince people that Trump is your answer, to build up "liberals" into this perverse caricature that actually takes on the form of many things the party you are being indoctrinated into is promoting, when you have no one on the other side of the scale. And haven't for most of the last 20 years.

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« Reply #1448 on: December 27, 2016, 10:23:55 PM »
But a lot of those same voters approve of Obama and his policies.

I mean, yes and no. Yes, Obama's policies did good. But at the same time, he was very slow in enacting them. There's also some policies that no-degree whites don't really agree with (depending on views) it's a hard to describe thing but Clinton going "I'm going to continue most of Obama's policies" did factor in for some of those voters.



Liberals loved to talk about Obama and his "11 move chess games" or whatever that nonsense was. But in reality it was the Republicans that played that chess game much more masterfully then Democrats did. At least from a short-term perspective.

Take the ACA.

On the public side they ran hard with any and all fear-mongering they found that audience-tested well and spammed it all over their echo chambers endlessly. Then they go in under the guise of "fiscal responsibility" and tie things like the risk corridors that were helping offset costs in the marketplace to be budget neutral. In reality basically crippling them and guaranteeing a large jump in premiums and a sharper cost growth curve. Which ironically disproportionately harmed those same rural communities that voted Trump in droves. Where Obamacare is struggling is very much concentrated in less densely populated counties and states.

But who are these voters going to blame?

And the Democrats meanwhile did a poor job structuring the bill to make sure that these electorally vulnerable areas would see enough gain to offset the opposition harm that could be reasonably projected to be inflicted through action or rhetoric. And then did an even worse job articulating to the public the harm that was being caused by these underhanded measures Republicans were taking. To this day it pisses me off to no end that Democrats are just letting Republicans operate the moral high ground on the recent rises in premiums. Not even most liberals I come across are aware of how much this has to do with Republicans and are often even similarly pointing fingers int he wrong places.

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« Reply #1449 on: December 28, 2016, 06:48:19 AM »
Liberals loved to talk about Obama and his "11 move chess games" or whatever that nonsense was. But in reality it was the Republicans that played that chess game much more masterfully then Democrats did. At least from a short-term perspective.

Jesus, this metaphor has become meaningless.

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« Reply #1450 on: December 28, 2016, 03:25:14 PM »
What bullshit.  Bernie would only use Linux.

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« Reply #1451 on: December 28, 2016, 03:29:44 PM »
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« Reply #1452 on: December 28, 2016, 05:27:18 PM »
Liberals loved to talk about Obama and his "11 move chess games" or whatever that nonsense was. But in reality it was the Republicans that played that chess game much more masterfully then Democrats did. At least from a short-term perspective.

Jesus, this metaphor has become meaningless.

The Republicans were playing checkers while the Democrats were playing chess. Meanwhile, Obama was playing 4th dimensional chess, like, you know, in Star Trek, but Hillary though, she was playing poker. Bernie Sanders was wasting his time playing Solitaire on a Windows 95 computer. Donald Trump was playing golf.

And that's how he won.

Pretty accurate except Donald Trump wasn't playing golf, he was just going around flipping over everyone else's tables.
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« Reply #1453 on: December 28, 2016, 06:20:27 PM »
The Republicans were playing checkers while the Democrats were playing chess. Meanwhile, Obama was playing 4th dimensional chess, like, you know, in Star Trek, but Hillary though, she was playing poker. Bernie Sanders was wasting his time playing Solitaire on a Windows 95 computer. Donald Trump was playing golf.

And that's how he won.
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« Reply #1454 on: December 28, 2016, 07:52:09 PM »

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« Reply #1455 on: December 28, 2016, 08:08:38 PM »
At least from a short-term perspective.

Jesus, this metaphor has become meaningless.
Probably because you are trying to find a metaphor in a simple declarative sentence.

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« Reply #1456 on: December 28, 2016, 09:22:01 PM »
I only ever remember hearing "11th-dimensional chess" used by the Stoller/Taibbi types to mock Obama for not yelling at the Senate until they passed single payer UHC.

Maybe the GOP's massive resistance to the ACA was some strategic masterstroke, but it felt like it was just an issue where all the pressures on the party (from primary voters, conservative punditry, the donor base) all pointed in the same direction and so that's where it went.

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« Reply #1457 on: December 29, 2016, 02:36:50 AM »
I only ever remember hearing "11th-dimensional chess" used by the Stoller/Taibbi types to mock Obama for not yelling at the Senate until they passed single payer UHC.

Maybe the GOP's massive resistance to the ACA was some strategic masterstroke, but it felt like it was just an issue where all the pressures on the party (from primary voters, conservative punditry, the donor base) all pointed in the same direction and so that's where it went.

 In terms of 4-6 year strategy it was pretty good politics. That was my only big point earlier. They hit the bill on the rhetorical and structural fronts in some pretty savvy(maybe not savvy but effective in the face of a poor opposition campaign) ways that ended up working cohesively that turned the bill into a toxic asset and shielded themselves from any blame. But yeah, I do think a lot of the rhetoric the party used was just them channeling the shit the base and punditry were saying.

Now that they won though, that strategy has them in a Gordian knot that I think(or hope) will end up working against them now.



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« Reply #1459 on: December 29, 2016, 03:37:21 PM »
Even if Trump wants to roll it back, congressmen look like they're jumping on the ohshitrussia train by the dozens on social media. Even if they're giving backhanded comments to Obama on the way it's handled they're not denying involvement any longer and certainly aren't treating Russians like friends.

Who knows though, amnesia could hit them on the 21st.
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« Reply #1460 on: December 29, 2016, 07:02:01 PM »
I have no doubt many countries with good spy agencies have lists of people on tap to point to as spies or known spies but when they need to they use them to make a point.

This is no difference.

Problem is no one wants a war, economic or otherwise.

France next leader will be someone friendly to Russia, so the EU is going to be moving away from being an "frenemy"

Donald is Donald

All this will be forgotten by this Sunday

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« Reply #1461 on: December 30, 2016, 03:18:46 AM »

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« Reply #1463 on: December 30, 2016, 08:24:43 AM »


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« Reply #1464 on: December 30, 2016, 06:23:01 PM »
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« Reply #1465 on: December 30, 2016, 08:06:48 PM »
I have no doubt many countries with good spy agencies have lists of people on tap to point to as spies or known spies but when they need to they use them to make a point.

This is no difference.

Problem is no one wants a war, economic or otherwise.

France next leader will be someone friendly to Russia, so the EU is going to be moving away from being an "frenemy"

Donald is Donald

All this will be forgotten by this Sunday

I mostly agree but Donald being Donald is still a wild card to certain degree, feels like he is banana repubplic president mode of throwing everything to see what it sticks.

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« Reply #1466 on: December 30, 2016, 08:46:03 PM »
Trump's troll game is too strong.

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« Reply #1467 on: December 30, 2016, 11:09:39 PM »
What bullshit.  Bernie would only use Linux.

Bernie is a rich, old, white, pseudo nonconformist, racist.

He clearly is still using MacOS9.

It was weird driving through Central California this past week and seeing all the Trump propaganda and stuff about a congress created dustbowl etc.
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« Reply #1468 on: December 31, 2016, 01:22:48 AM »
Josh Marshall accidentily posted porn on Twitter and has thus far refused to acknowledge it :lol
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« Reply #1469 on: December 31, 2016, 10:17:36 AM »
So apparently the old media is desperately attempting to whip up a new cold war hysteria to draw away from their own incessant lies and the fact they got their shit packed in by social media.

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« Reply #1470 on: December 31, 2016, 11:23:08 AM »
Romney Was Right
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« Reply #1473 on: December 31, 2016, 06:16:33 PM »
Enjoy your new job, Mr Trump. Is going to get tougher than better.

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« Reply #1474 on: December 31, 2016, 07:04:07 PM »
Enjoy your new job, Mr Trump. Is going to get tougher than better.

He's already said he's not going to do the day-to-day. He pitched Pence on it originally by asking if he'd like to be the most powerful VP in history, relying on Pence to do the political stuff, while Trump "makes America great again."  :-\

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« Reply #1476 on: January 02, 2017, 04:16:22 AM »
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50% of Democrats believe in the conspiracy theory that Russia tampered with vote tallies.

They are as distinguished mentally-challenged as republicans.

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« Reply #1477 on: January 02, 2017, 04:41:17 AM »
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50% of Democrats believe in the conspiracy theory that Russia tampered with vote tallies.

They are as distinguished mentally-challenged as republicans.
They thought running Hillary was a good idea so, yes.
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« Reply #1478 on: January 02, 2017, 03:21:00 PM »
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50% of Democrats believe in the conspiracy theory that Russia tampered with vote tallies.

They are as distinguished mentally-challenged as republicans.
Plenty of idiots end up on the right side of political history broadly speaking. Just look at a vast majority of Gaffers. Or the organic food culture with millennial liberals.

But to get to the level of Republicans it will take quite a few more scoring runs then just thinking Russia hacked some voting machines and not just emails and shit. Republicans struggle with fucking evolution and Climate Change. Thats like giving Golden State a 50 point lead going into the fourth quarter. Good luck catching that shit.

 



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« Reply #1479 on: January 02, 2017, 03:46:46 PM »
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« Reply #1480 on: January 02, 2017, 06:57:42 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/impeaching-trump_us_5869b806e4b0eb586489f3a4
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Donald Trump is wildly unfit to be president, and he will demonstrate that in ways that break the law and violate the Constitution. Since the election, there have been three wishful efforts to keep Trump from the presidency: a recount doomed by a lack of evidence; a futile campaign to flip Trump electors; and an even more improbable drive to get the Supreme Court to annul the 2016 election.

These moves, indicative of magical thinking, make Trump’s opposition look a lot weaker than it is―at a time when the stakes for the Republic could not be higher. There will also be marches and demonstrations, but they will also look weak unless they have a strategic focus.

There is only one constitutional way to remove a president, and that is via impeachment.

What’s needed is a citizens’ impeachment inquiry, to begin on Trump’s first day in office.

The inquiry should keep a running dossier, and forward updates at least weekly to the House Judiciary Committee. There will be no lack of evidence.

The materials should be made public via a website. The inquiry should be conducted by a distinguished panel whose high-mindedness and credentials are, well, unimpeachable.

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« Reply #1481 on: January 02, 2017, 07:00:52 PM »
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« Reply #1482 on: January 02, 2017, 09:52:54 PM »
"The Most Trusted Name in News"

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/cnn-uses-screenshot-fallout-4-show-russians-hack-190753731.html

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In a recent story about President Obama proposing sanctions against Russia for its roll in cyberattacks targeting the United States, CNN grabbed a screenshot of the hacking mini-game from the extremely popular RPG Fallout 4. First spotted by Reddit, the screenshot shows the menacing neon green letters that gamers will instantly recognize as being from the game.

Ours is a failed media experiment.
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« Reply #1483 on: January 02, 2017, 09:53:36 PM »
sigh

beat him in a fucking election ffs
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« Reply #1484 on: January 02, 2017, 09:57:17 PM »
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beat him in a fucking election ffs
not gonna happen

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« Reply #1486 on: January 02, 2017, 10:32:37 PM »
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« Reply #1487 on: January 02, 2017, 11:23:20 PM »
Drain the swamp, brehs
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« Reply #1488 on: January 02, 2017, 11:44:20 PM »
Drain the swamp, brehs
The Swamp isn't particular individuals, The Swamp is the entire federal government itself.
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« Reply #1490 on: January 03, 2017, 04:00:33 AM »
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« Reply #1491 on: January 03, 2017, 04:50:19 AM »
syph's other hero annihilated:
David Neiwert, who knows more than perhaps anyone on the rise of fascism on the right in this country over the last two decades, speaks the truth.
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Yet again, I find it fascinating that nearly every single ‘progressive’ I’ve seen pooh-poohing the fact that Russia’s intelligence services conducted an all-out cyberattack on America’s election system, with the full intent of undermining our democracy, is a hardcore Hillary Hater who almost certainly voted for Sanders or Stein. It makes crystal clear what I believed well before the election — that these ‘progressives’ are so blinded by their disdain for centrist liberalism that they simply are incapable of comprehending the reality of fascism when it smacks them right in the face.

And yes, people, Russia today is a proto-fascist regime, one that is actively financing and spreading proto-fascist “identitarian” nationalist philosophies throughout Europe and the United States. We know, in fact, that they are actually financing these movements.

These hardcore Hillary Haters, like Glenn Greenwald and his following, are in desperate denial about the enormity of the monstrous regime they have now empowered and enabled. They’re anxious to escape the blame for the unbelievable disaster that is about to befall us all, particularly progressives and people of color. Too fucking late, Glenn.


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« Reply #1493 on: January 03, 2017, 06:20:20 AM »
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the fact that Russia’s intelligence services conducted an all-out cyberattack on America’s election system

That certainly remains to be seen. When the released materials have so far established no attribution to the APT groups they claim were responsible (the attribution for these groups itself being no certainty) it's not the best way to go about basing an argument. And of course Greenwald is suddenly a cozy Russian sympathizer and even worse 'Hillary Hater' (capital H, mind) for keeping accountable the media for their own misleading pieces—isn't that all the rage these days?—and raising questions that any good journalist would about what has been presented. Pls.

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« Reply #1494 on: January 03, 2017, 06:32:03 AM »
Hillary Hater -> HH -> 88 ->

Q.E.D.

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« Reply #1495 on: January 03, 2017, 08:11:17 AM »
Might be the strongest evidence yet

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« Reply #1496 on: January 03, 2017, 12:04:14 PM »
lol glenn greenwald


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« Reply #1499 on: January 03, 2017, 01:28:19 PM »
Megyn Kelly is dumping Fox News for NBC:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/megyn-kelly-nbc-news
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