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« Reply #1620 on: January 10, 2017, 07:07:20 PM »
Those don't count as actual votes, FStop7.  ;)

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« Reply #1621 on: January 10, 2017, 07:07:51 PM »
It's 2017.

Piss is piss :yeshrug

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« Reply #1622 on: January 10, 2017, 07:08:08 PM »
Neoliberalism has to be the most abused phrase in American politics lol.


It is an accurate description of the current political state of the country and the world in general. No matter how much liberals cry about it, since it perfectly describes what they've degenerated into, we will continue to use it because it's extremely relevant.

What exactly do you think neoliberalism means?


It expands from corporatism and the status quo of privatization on every facet of society which the US certainly meets to humongous wealth inequality, the deterioration of labor rights, corruption, war and globalization. Obama meets every single one of them. From him not prosecuting a single banker even when they were laundering money for terrorists and drug dealers, to ACA, TPP and his wars in Libya/Syria. Of course since liberals have become as gullible as conservatives I'm sure you have an explanation for every single one of those. He continued on the same path of capitalism for the poor socialism for the rich by bailing out the bankers and the auto industry while screwing everyone else including people with mortgages and auto workers, he continued on the same path of unending war to satisfy the military industrial complex.

Corporate profits rose from $671 billion at the end of 2008 to $1.636 trillion in 2016, and the wealth of the richest 400 Americans increased from $1.57 trillion to $2.4 trillion, meanwhile the middle class is dying. The overwhelming majority of the "millions of jobs he created" liberals are boasting about are part time or temp.

But seriously, the most important fact is this: I don't need to explain the term neoliberlism to liberals every fucking time I use the word, it's the economic far-right, no further explanation is needed. You don't see me asking what liberal means every time you people identify as one. This is part of the obnoxious dismissive behavior people hate about modern liberals which is part of the reason Trump was elected.

So basically a reckless broadening of the actual philosophical term to the point it fails to acknowledge major context and differences between competing schools of thought? Which by doing so works great as a catch-all pejorative for your brand of  :snob  above-it-all/they-are-all-the-same politics?





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« Reply #1623 on: January 10, 2017, 07:22:15 PM »
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« Reply #1624 on: January 10, 2017, 07:28:26 PM »
That's unbelievable to you?

Absolutely. It sounds no different than the Hilary Pedo Ring shit. It's the most extreme shit one can imagine.

A rich white dude gettin a lil piss play isn't that crazy

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« Reply #1625 on: January 10, 2017, 07:32:25 PM »
Trump not sworn in yet, and already having a problem containing leaks.

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« Reply #1626 on: January 10, 2017, 07:37:02 PM »
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Yeah, that part sounded like tumblr (or a very self aware troll from /pol/) wrote it. I still laughed.

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« Reply #1627 on: January 10, 2017, 07:41:07 PM »
:piss trump :piss2

:bow hentai :bow2

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« Reply #1628 on: January 10, 2017, 07:42:19 PM »
The piss stuff is gold and all, but the real big thing here is if there was indeed an actual in person meeting to discuss strategy about the election.  If proven, fucking bye Felicia.
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« Reply #1629 on: January 10, 2017, 07:52:54 PM »
I'd love for this to be legit, if only for the jokes, but remember it's all unconfirmed at this point.

Could all just be yellow journalism.

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« Reply #1630 on: January 10, 2017, 07:53:55 PM »
Someone could just be taking the piss out of Trump

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« Reply #1631 on: January 10, 2017, 07:57:48 PM »
#FlushTheSwamp

BTW, in Trump's America, believing something is the same as something being true. So for me, this is already a verified fact.
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« Reply #1632 on: January 10, 2017, 08:01:48 PM »
Really, what's wrong with service industry workers being employed by a billionaire job creator?

A real example of trickle-down economics.

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« Reply #1633 on: January 10, 2017, 08:15:39 PM »
The piss stuff is gold and all, but the real big thing here is if there was indeed an actual in person meeting to discuss strategy about the election.  If proven, fucking bye Felicia.

Trump will have his minions throw themselves on the pyre before he actually steps down. His that shameless that I think he'll blow this off, and label it a multi level conspiracy by people trying to bring in a third Obama term

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« Reply #1634 on: January 10, 2017, 08:26:15 PM »
This pissing stuff is bad, but it's really not that shitty.
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« Reply #1635 on: January 10, 2017, 08:35:39 PM »
So Obama really did kill Bin Laden and the republican party on the same night. Brehs. BREHS. If this is true, specifically the Prague meetings and alleged conspiring with the Kremlin...it's over.
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« Reply #1636 on: January 10, 2017, 08:38:24 PM »
People have been saying the death of the Republican Party is nigh since 2008. I won't believe it until I see it.
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« Reply #1637 on: January 10, 2017, 08:40:54 PM »
Haven't read any non-piss related details, but can't imagine there's anything which would either substantially shake up people's partisan affiliations, or make the GOP Congress impeach Trump.

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« Reply #1638 on: January 10, 2017, 08:42:43 PM »
People are also so partisan at this point that they'll defend the Russia dealings Hannity style before anyone ever thinks of leaving the party.
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« Reply #1639 on: January 10, 2017, 08:43:13 PM »
So Obama really did kill Bin Laden and the republican party on the same night. Brehs. BREHS. If this is true, specifically the Prague meetings and alleged conspiring with the Kremlin...it's over.

I do not share your optimism or faith in the American public to give a shit.

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« Reply #1640 on: January 10, 2017, 08:52:14 PM »
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« Reply #1641 on: January 10, 2017, 08:53:34 PM »
:lol
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« Reply #1642 on: January 10, 2017, 08:55:43 PM »
What a time to be alive.
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« Reply #1643 on: January 10, 2017, 08:57:52 PM »
Haven't read any non-piss related details, but can't imagine there's anything which would either substantially shake up people's partisan affiliations, or make the GOP Congress impeach Trump.

Top Trump officials, including his lawyer, meeting with Kremlin officials in August?
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« Reply #1644 on: January 10, 2017, 08:58:16 PM »
Neoliberalism is closer to Milton Friedman economics than anything Obama advocates.

Obama is mostly a neo-Keynesian.

I thought of neoliberalism as more of a political ideology than a system of economics- specifically a general empowerment of capital beginning in the 70s, done through eroding labor's power, the deregulation and growth of finance, trade liberalization.

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« Reply #1645 on: January 10, 2017, 08:59:54 PM »
Haven't read any non-piss related details, but can't imagine there's anything which would either substantially shake up people's partisan affiliations, or make the GOP Congress impeach Trump.

Top Trump officials, including his lawyer, meeting with Kremlin officials in August?

No no, his lawyer tweeted saying that he's never been to Prague, and for some reason included a photo of the cover of his passport as....proof?

 :rofl
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« Reply #1646 on: January 10, 2017, 09:00:35 PM »
yall giving this much stock to a goddamn buzzfeed article reporting on "specific, unverified, and potentially unverifiable allegations"?  :holeup
maybe ill be eating crow but i can't trust someone that highlights like a fucking moron
whole paragraphs? cmon breh
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« Reply #1647 on: January 10, 2017, 09:06:09 PM »
yall giving this much stock to a goddamn buzzfeed article reporting on "specific, unverified, and potentially unverifiable allegations"?  :holeup
maybe ill be eating crow but i can't trust someone that highlights like a fucking moron
whole paragraphs? cmon breh

To be fair, the article itself mentions it could be just a bunch of BS.

The report itself seems to be real.

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« Reply #1648 on: January 10, 2017, 09:06:57 PM »
yall giving this much stock to a goddamn buzzfeed article reporting on "specific, unverified, and potentially unverifiable allegations"?  :holeup
maybe ill be eating crow but i can't trust someone that highlights like a fucking moron
whole paragraphs? cmon breh

To be fair, the article itself mentions it could be just a bunch of BS.

The report itself seems to be real.
my cursory internet sleuthing has discovered that this may have all originated on /pol/ and we are witnessing one of the greatest trolls of all time
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« Reply #1649 on: January 10, 2017, 09:08:05 PM »
We're just getting these jokes off, quit being so touchy.

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« Reply #1650 on: January 10, 2017, 09:13:51 PM »
yall giving this much stock to a goddamn buzzfeed article reporting on "specific, unverified, and potentially unverifiable allegations"?  :holeup
maybe ill be eating crow but i can't trust someone that highlights like a fucking moron
whole paragraphs? cmon breh

To be fair, the article itself mentions it could be just a bunch of BS.

The report itself seems to be real.
my cursory internet sleuthing has discovered that this may have all originated on /pol/ and we are witnessing one of the greatest trolls of all time

There has been fake stuff circulating, but I will take /pol/ trolling if this means that Trump is forever associated with pissing.

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« Reply #1651 on: January 10, 2017, 09:26:44 PM »
Obama dropping #HimuroBombs on race during his speech whew
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« Reply #1652 on: January 10, 2017, 09:41:01 PM »
Obama dropping #HimuroBombs on race during his speech whew

Honestly I thought his line about not only whites empathizing with minorities but minorities empathizing with the economic struggles of white working class people because we have common ground. Prioritizing the pursuit of economic equality while downplaying identity politics would get him banned in many topics on GAF:  :idont


...Love the send off about election reform though and throwing shade at corrosive partisanship and non-participation.


EDIT: and hitting slacktevist culture.

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« Reply #1653 on: January 10, 2017, 09:42:01 PM »
We're just getting these jokes off, quit being so touchy.
:trumps
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« Reply #1654 on: January 10, 2017, 09:53:14 PM »
maybe ill be eating crow but i can't trust someone that highlights like a fucking moron
whole paragraphs? cmon breh

That part makes it more credible to me.

Bosses fuckin' love highlighter.  :P
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« Reply #1655 on: January 10, 2017, 10:33:04 PM »
CNN is reporting that there is going to be an investigation and that that is a significant move...

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« Reply #1656 on: January 10, 2017, 10:38:52 PM »

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« Reply #1658 on: January 10, 2017, 10:42:36 PM »
If this turns out to be a 4chan troll then it gets even funnier

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« Reply #1659 on: January 10, 2017, 10:42:47 PM »

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« Reply #1660 on: January 10, 2017, 10:47:08 PM »
the pisspig prez

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« Reply #1661 on: January 10, 2017, 10:49:20 PM »
If this turns out to be a 4chan troll then it gets even funnier

Seem not to be the case...

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« Reply #1662 on: January 10, 2017, 10:54:13 PM »
Neoliberalism is closer to Milton Friedman economics than anything Obama advocates.

Obama is mostly a neo-Keynesian.
There's a truism within the field that "There are no schools of thought in Economics." In part this is just a cheap rhetorical ploy to spring on the initiated but it is genuinely descriptive of the homogeneity of professional/academic maceoeconomics and the technocratic apparatus it's a part of. You can't properly speak of competing research programmes of neo-classicism, neo-keynsianism, new-keynsianism or whatever. Those terms are only indicative of broad historical trends within the field that over time become absorbed into the mainstream profession. Which isn't to say that disputes about, say, policy, don't happen within econ. They happen frequently and they're often heated, but the site of conflict is usually an issue that is completely alien to popular understandings of partisan allegiances (e.g., given how close we are to the zero lower bound, what's the proper NGDP we should be targeting). These arguments are also communicated in a rigidly formal mathematical language that I can 1000% assure you no politician would understand.

I thought of neoliberalism as more of a political ideology than a system of economics- specifically a general empowerment of capital beginning in the 70s, done through eroding labor's power, the deregulation and growth of finance, trade liberalization.
From what ive seen, it entirely depends on who's writing. This is pretty much the standard definition you'll find as its used pejoratively by the Naomi Klein types on the left and if I was allowed my own addendum I'd throw in "general animosity towards the welfare state and social services more broadly." Whenever you need your obligatory, generic neoliberal "what is it?" citation I see two sources most frequently, David Harveys A Brief History of Neo-Liberalism and any number of works from Philip Mirowski, usually The Road from Mont Pelerin. Within different subfields it varies widely: for Wacquant, a sociologist, the neoliberal historical turn coincides with a new need for states to police and incarcerate their populations; for James Ferguson, an anthropologist specialized in developmental Africa, it allows for state-legal apparatuses to cordon off non-sedentary peoples dependent on barter exchange into what essentially amounts to literal labor pools; for Brad DeLong, an economist who worked in the Clinton administration, and is a self professed "card-carrying neoliberal", neoliberalism is an admission that any honest take on the market needs to allow for regulatory policies and non-market solutions in order to preserve private property and enterprise (he also thinks neoliberalism admits of a hard, Thatcherite, version and a soft, Clintonian one).

It is very muddled. Not even the people who generally know what they're talking about agree on it. But I do think you're allowed to dismiss the more shrill characterizations that sling it around as an epithet to describe everything to the right of Bernie.

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« Reply #1663 on: January 10, 2017, 10:57:27 PM »
Obama dropping #HimuroBombs on race during his speech whew

What he say? Just got out of the movies.
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« Reply #1664 on: January 10, 2017, 11:09:21 PM »
CNN is reporting that there is going to be an investigation and that that is a significant move...
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« Reply #1665 on: January 10, 2017, 11:16:30 PM »
I don't think this goes away.

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« Reply #1666 on: January 10, 2017, 11:17:38 PM »
Yeah, that is the thing... There is no leads, or nothing you can verify in a short period of time. Honestly, is genuinely stupid of Buzzfed to publish the document, but we got a good laugh of it.

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« Reply #1667 on: January 10, 2017, 11:29:48 PM »
Yeah, that is the thing... There is no leads, or nothing you can verify in a short period of time. Honestly, is genuinely stupid of Buzzfed to publish the document, but we got a good laugh of it.

Yet the media will continue to run with it.  And the fact that the CIA has included the report in their intelligence briefings to both Obama and Trump means it holds water.
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« Reply #1668 on: January 10, 2017, 11:31:08 PM »
wonder what the cia, who pushed for a trump presidency, thinks about all this or the fact that he wants to wage war against USA intelligence agencies.
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« Reply #1669 on: January 10, 2017, 11:34:26 PM »
Yeah, that is the thing... There is no leads, or nothing you can verify in a short period of time. Honestly, is genuinely stupid of Buzzfed to publish the document, but we got a good laugh of it.

This is a site called "Buzzfeed." This is exactly the sort of thing that is smart for them lol.

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« Reply #1670 on: January 10, 2017, 11:37:39 PM »
Where's TVC 15/White Man at a time like this?  :doge

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« Reply #1671 on: January 10, 2017, 11:44:41 PM »
There's a truism within the field that "There are no schools of thought in Economics." In part this is just a cheap rhetorical ploy to spring on the initiated but it is genuinely descriptive of the homogeneity of professional/academic maceoeconomics and the technocratic apparatus it's a part of.

What's really striking is how debates that get really heated and feel like big ideological clashes, like whether fiscal stimulus has any effect, wind up hinging on one relatively technical difference (the stickiness of wages/prices) between models that otherwise share >90% of their methods and underlying assumptions.

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« Reply #1672 on: January 10, 2017, 11:54:12 PM »
the pisspig prez


I saw "PEEOTUS" elsewhere. That'll be funny until the 20th, then it's "P-OTUS."

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« Reply #1673 on: January 11, 2017, 12:05:55 AM »
I really thought the bore would be above kink shaming.
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« Reply #1674 on: January 11, 2017, 12:10:39 AM »
There's a truism within the field that "There are no schools of thought in Economics." In part this is just a cheap rhetorical ploy to spring on the initiated but it is genuinely descriptive of the homogeneity of professional/academic maceoeconomics and the technocratic apparatus it's a part of.

What's really striking is how debates that get really heated and feel like big ideological clashes, like whether fiscal stimulus has any effect, wind up hinging on one relatively technical difference (the stickiness of wages/prices) between models that otherwise share >90% of their methods and underlying assumptions.

I also think a lot of fiery debates(especially on the internet) also just happen because one or neither people have a fucking clue why they are taking the side they are.


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« Reply #1675 on: January 11, 2017, 12:22:53 AM »
wonder what the cia, who pushed for a trump presidency,

Uhh, come again for Big Fudge?

Yeah, that is the thing... There is no leads, or nothing you can verify in a short period of time. Honestly, is genuinely stupid of Buzzfed to publish the document, but we got a good laugh of it.

A lot of what's there can't be verified.  But at first glance, there's some avenues for a bit of potential corroboration, I think.
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« Reply #1676 on: January 11, 2017, 12:44:10 AM »
wonder what the cia, who pushed for a trump presidency,

Uhh, come again for Big Fudge?
I think it was actually the FBI that was reported to have a pretty strident anti-Hillary faction.

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« Reply #1677 on: January 11, 2017, 12:45:20 AM »
wonder what the cia, who pushed for a trump presidency,

Uhh, come again for Big Fudge?

Yeah, that is the thing... There is no leads, or nothing you can verify in a short period of time. Honestly, is genuinely stupid of Buzzfed to publish the document, but we got a good laugh of it.

A lot of what's there can't be verified.  But at first glance, there's some avenues for a bit of potential corroboration, I think.

Yeah there are some reddit posts trying to corroborate some events with news stories. Of course a careful person could fabricate that stuff so it is far from any sort of confirmation. Plus its reddit.

Though in the event the intelligence community states stronger feelings of validity to any of these claims any time soon, shit will get interesting.. Or just worrying. Trump's only play IMO will be to try and sow further distrust with the intelligence community and who knows how bad that could get with him. Ironic though that he may do to our CIA and intelligence department the very thing we try to do to other countries to weaken them.
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« Reply #1678 on: January 11, 2017, 12:47:48 AM »
wonder what the cia, who pushed for a trump presidency,

Uhh, come again for Big Fudge?
I think it was actually the FBI that was reported to have a pretty strident anti-Hillary faction.

Right, thanks for the correction. Mandark is correct. It was indeed the FBI. I had a brain fart.
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« Reply #1679 on: January 11, 2017, 12:55:42 AM »
Watched Obama's speech. It was really great and reflects my views. The part about how we only accept information that comes from places we agree with is very true. Unfortunately, a lot of left-minded people think that our news sources are infallible. From what I've seen from conservatives, they think similarly of their news sources. I'm not sure what the solution is beyond discussion. But the nation really needs to heal and it'll be a long time before that happens if ever simply because of how society functions now. One thing I plan on proposing to my socialist party is that we go out into the country and show our faces to help share ideas and improve dialogue.

I noticed that the crowd, despite eating up Obama's words weren't really taking them in much. When he said to empathize and try to understand middle aged white people (particularly men) the claps were much more quiet than the other statements. But as soon as he says "science" the claps reined in. It feels like they treated the thing as a message to "their side" rather than to the entire nation, which makes sense, because I mean, it was in Chicago. But still worth observing.

As an independent now I get the benefit to view both sides outside looking in. I'm noticing a lot of partisanship tonight after the speech, especially on Facebook and especially about the Pee Leaks. "Peeotus" is really starting to catch fire on my Facebook and it truly shows that even when Obama mentions partisanship is destroying the nation, people lap it up in droves.

Really wonderful speech, though.
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