US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Joe Molotov]

What's also crazy is that someone in the IC leaked that they were tapping Flynn's phones. Welcome to the new normal?

Edit: It doesn't actually say Flynn's phones are tapped. It's possible the Russians told us. 

At least someone's doing their job.

[Samson Manhug]

I'm reading The Elephant in the Room: A Journey into the Trump Campaign and the “Alt-Right” and it talked about this event, which I never heard about:





TL;DW: Dude on TYT spits in Alex Jones' face

[benjipwns]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/13/how-putin-played-the-far-left.html
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/heres-how-jill-stein-helps-putin-promote-his-right-wing-agenda-to-the-american-left/

[benjipwns]

TL;DW: Dude on TYT spits in Alex Jones' face

whole segment is fun you can even see when Alex Jones looks kinda sorry for half a second that his joke/prank got out of control and that people were actually angry about it all

[Samson Manhug]

This essay kind of paints Alex Jones as a real (child-like) human being. So that is kinda cute to see.

[james]

Time to delete your 3 Doors Down files everyone

[Brehvolution]

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.764711

 

[Take My Breh Away]

Time to delete your 3 Doors Down files everyone

https://www.buzzfeed.com/marcusjones/heres-whos-performing-at-trumps-inauguration-concert?utm_term=.ugOXG2OgD5#.sp7XkgGPVD

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.764711

 

[Brehvolution]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/former-breitbart-reporters-populist-nationalist-pac

The strategy Stockton described to The Atlantic echoes the Tea Party playbook, complete with organized town hall confrontations and a team of reporters that would “ambush” unfriendly lawmakers. The group also had brainstormed giving out “Trump Enforcement Posse” or “Trump Enforcement Team” badges as donor rewards, according to the report.

 

[Optimus]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/former-breitbart-reporters-populist-nationalist-pac

The strategy Stockton described to The Atlantic echoes the Tea Party playbook, complete with organized town hall confrontations and a team of reporters that would “ambush” unfriendly lawmakers. The group also had brainstormed giving out “Trump Enforcement Posse” or “Trump Enforcement Team” badges as donor rewards, according to the report.

 

Some kind of Trump symbol on their sleeves would also be a good idea or, why not, maybe a whole uniform.

[Brehvolution]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/former-breitbart-reporters-populist-nationalist-pac

The strategy Stockton described to The Atlantic echoes the Tea Party playbook, complete with organized town hall confrontations and a team of reporters that would “ambush” unfriendly lawmakers. The group also had brainstormed giving out “Trump Enforcement Posse” or “Trump Enforcement Team” badges as donor rewards, according to the report.

 

Maybe a design by Hugo Boss.


Some kind of Trump symbol on their sleeves would also be a good idea or, why not, maybe a whole uniform.

Maybe a design by Hugo Boss.

[studyguy]

I didn't know 3 Doors Down did anything other than Superman like over a decade back when I was in HS.
Hell, color me surprised that they're even still touring.

[Brehvolution]

At least someone's doing their job.

[benjipwns]

I didn't know 3 Doors Down did anything other than Superman like over a decade back when I was in HS.
Hell, color me surprised that they're even still touring.

They actually just did a show near you, a few houses away.

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[Mr. Gundam]

I didn't know 3 Doors Down did anything other than Superman like over a decade back when I was in HS.
Hell, color me surprised that they're even still touring.

They did a song for The Wounded Warrior Project a couple years ago. I remember having to sit through it whenever I'd see a movie at a Regal Theater for a while.

[studyguy]

I didn't know 3 Doors Down did anything other than Superman like over a decade back when I was in HS.
Hell, color me surprised that they're even still touring.

They actually just did a show near you, a few houses away.

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[Trent Dole]

Hahaha Lee fucking Greenwood, scrape that barrel.

[toku]

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/820029864665382912

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/820033683713392640

[studyguy]

https://twitter.com/Slate/status/820044120991420416

 

[Himu]

What should I install to prep for our mass surveillance future?

[VomKriege]

What should I install to prep for our mass surveillance future?

Reduce Internet usage to its most basic, stop using a cell phone, stop using anything but cash payments ?
You're probably fucked anyway because a lot of your interactions with public service and large corporations are or will be digital too. You probably heard of China's project to create a "social rating / credit" for each citizen, and really a lot of the info is already there for them to draw and they're planning on stuff like not paying fines impacting your ability to buy first class train tickets.
Unless you're willing to go full militia in Montana... in which case half your interactions online will probably be with FBI plants.

That's why it's so important to limit the entities collecting the data, because it's becoming increasingly meaningless to hope you can resist it at the individual level.

[Coax]

What should I install to prep for our mass surveillance future?

✔ Wi-Fi ✔ no encryption ✔ publicly accessible online

[Himu]

That didn't answer my question at all.

So far I'm seeing people suggest Opera VPN Free for iPhone and TOR for desktop regarding browsers. Trying to find a good email vpn and other stuff.

[toku]

all this rap out there and motherfuckers still getting caught up because they talk on phones smdh

[benjipwns]

What should I install to prep for our mass surveillance future?

That didn't answer my question at all.

So far I'm seeing people suggest Opera VPN Free for iPhone and TOR for desktop regarding browsers. Trying to find a good email vpn and other stuff.

I try and apply the opposite methodology by flooding them with garbage that goes nowhere.

[Coax]

That didn't answer my question at all.

So far I'm seeing people suggest Opera VPN Free for iPhone and TOR for desktop regarding browsers. Trying to find a good email vpn and other stuff.

What is it you're wanting to protect against? If it's collection of personally identifiable activity then you'd need to stop using social media, change from free email, and any other things that use your real identity online on sites known to have data collected by agencies (though several companies have since taken steps to reduce such passive upstream collection since the Snowden leaks). That still wouldn't prevent IRL forms of big data tracking.

If it's general upstream ISP tapping then an internationally based VPN would help by moving all your traffic through an encrypted tunnel in another country. On the other hand online trackers can still uniquely a user's system despite changes like a tunnel. Each bit of information can be used to create a unique fingerprint that can be updated to reflect changes: browser version, window size, what settings are enabled/disabled, browser local storage data, timezone, the fonts installed on the system, etc.

Which is why it's worthwhile blocking tracking scripts, ads, and social media buttons all of which can track parts of your presence around the web. Apart from any mobile apps/browser addons that may be collecting unwanted data about your activities. Alternative search engines can also be used like DuckDuckGo and non-US/paid email providers. Going all out you could add PGP encryption to email and secure messaging, though it's rather inconvenient.

There's not really an all-in-on solution, it just depends on what you're wanting to avoid and how much convenience you're willing to trade. A VPN + the uBlock Origin addon with tracker blocking and privacy lists is a good basis.

[Himu]

I still want to use social media. I don't use pictures of myself on it though. Social media is too good for organizing to throw it away so it's a sacrifice. Vpn is definitely a goal. Free email being out makes sense.

How good is duck duck go for searching?

[Boogie]

. Free email being out makes sense.

https://www.hushmail.com/

[Coax]

How good is duck duck go for searching?

I've found it fine for common queries. For more specific searches Google has better results. I've been using a mix of Google and Searx.me as it's difficult to give up Google's more refined results and features.

Thing to also keep in mind about email is a copy of the content will always be sent to the receiver. So even if one changes to a different provider (or even self-hosts) a recipient on Gmail for example will still have a copy. Google has the motto Don't Be Evil tho so they're probably fine

[etiolate]

My response to the surveillance state is to be very boring and poor.

Also, apparently the recent AI tech conference was all about surveillance AI. gg

[Boogie]

Yeah, but seriously, the solution to worrying about the surveillance state is to not worry about the surveillance state.

Err, I mean, worry about it as a matter of public policy.  Write your congresscritter, donate to relevant causes, vote accordingly, absolutely.

But waste actual anxiety and concern on it for your actual day-to-day life?  Naw, fuck that.  Not worth it, mang.

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Yes, I acknowledge the irony of me, an actual Agent of The State, advocating y'all to be dismissive of the surveillance state. 

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[Himu]

As an agent of the state you know best tho. Even Zuckerberg tapes his computer cam and plugs in his mic hole.

[Boogie]

When it comes to my personal privacy, I worry more about hackers and corporate surveillance than I do about what my counterparts at CSEC/NSA are up to, for realsies.

edit:  Which is not to say that's still a lot, because I'm obviously still on teh facebooks and instagrams and gmails and shit.

[Himu]

I don't use Facebook app. I use the mobile site.

Uhh, yeah.

 I'll stay doing all the normal shit I normally do because nothing implicates me for anything, but that doesn't mean I'm not against higher surveillance and broader access.

 Using VPNs, TOR etc. is really unnecessary. If the government wanted information on you, for whatever reason, they'd get it.

Considering the Trump administration threatening to make things like BLM as terrorist groups, no this is not useless.

[chronovore]

TL;DW: Dude on TYT spits in Alex Jones' face

whole segment is fun you can even see when Alex Jones looks kinda sorry for half a second that his joke/prank got out of control and that people were actually angry about it all

I really hate that neurotic, delusional man-baby. I hate even more that people listen to him.

[benjipwns]

I have an uncle who was a straight Democratic (except maybe for Reagan once or Engler or something like that) voter who was part of the lower level UAW leadership at his GM plant in Flint.

He retired with his fat GM/UAW pension, then doubled up by becoming a temp worker who drove the cars from the plant to local lots.

Then a black man became President. Within about two years he was watching the Alex Jones Channel 24/7 and buys and takes all the supplements and believes every single thing even the stuff Jones is blatantly joking about. (If you ever watch the "show" there's parts where he gets sarcastic about various really out there conspiracy theories and he his hosts make fun like they totally believe it since everyone thinks they do. The actual stuff he believes is like two notches down from his persona and reputation. He's really somewhere inbetween Glenn Beck at his worst about coming tyranny and David Icke.) My uncle doesn't "get" the joke parts. He's spent thousands of bucks on whatever Jones is selling.

Jones also pull this gambit constantly when he does "debates" where he starts yelling at and accusing the person of everything and anything instead of actually responding but to me at least it's clear that he doesn't actually believe it, he's using it as a tactic. Like in that video where he tries to take back control of the situation (after Cenk takes his microphone and says "okay then, let's debate this") by yelling about Jihadi's and stuff, he doesn't really think she's a Jihadi mole undermining America, he's trying to get a rise out of her and successfully does out of Cenk. And then uses it as an opportunity to bail out.

The Ron Paul Report is arguably a funnier version because whenever an above and beyond crank does come on (often the same people on both shows) you can slowly see Ron realize it and try to desperately keep the conversation on stuff they agree about like The Fed or Wars or whatever rather than lizard people and chemtrails. I saw one where he responded to the guy with "you see, the thing about chemtrails is, they couldn't be doing anything like that without the Fed printing all this money!" Then the dude was talking about that. And I was like, Ron, you sly dog.

[benjipwns]

They're like a C-SPAN where the host is friendly to it instead of using it as an opportunity to perfect the world's most amazing poker face.

[benjipwns]

The king.

[benjipwns]

Still my top favorite C-SPAN moment:

[toku]

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/819799851089047556

[benjipwns]

Jan 12, 2017
Press Release
Washington, D.C. – Congressman Steve King released the following statement after introducing “The Heartbeat Bill,” that would require physicians to detect the heartbeat and prohibit the abortion of a baby with a beating heart:

“Since Roe v. Wade was unconstitutionally decided in 1973, nearly 60 million innocent babies' lives have been ended by the abortion industry, all with a rubber stamp by the federal government,” said King. “Human life, beginning at the moment of conception, is sacred in all of its forms and today, I introduced a bill that will protect the lives of voiceless innocents.

My legislation will require all physicians, before conducting an abortion, to detect the heartbeat of the unborn child. If a heartbeat is detected, the baby is protected.

America was founded on the concept that our rights come from God. All human persons have a right to life. How then could we confer that those rights allow the killing of a baby? I believe our most important responsibility that God has bestowed upon us is to protect innocent human life, and I will continue to dedicate my life to that responsibility.”

[benjipwns]

heh, came across this randomly...those impressions are terrible, that voice Hammond is doing
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/ross-perot-cold-opening/n11240?snl=1

Ross Perot (Cheri Oteri) interviews Pat Buchanan (Chris Parnell) and Donald Trump (Darrell Hammond) to determine who will be the next leader of the Reform Party. Trump wants to replace the White House with a massive casino. [Season 25, 1999]

edit:
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/dole-rodman-cold-opening/n10856?snl=1

In an attempt to attract younger votes, Bob Dole (Norm Macdonald) announces his Vice Presidential running mate: eccentric NBA star Dennis Rodman. In response to press questions they reveal Rodman's new Dole-Rodman '96 Tattoo. [Season 21, 1996]

great move, foreign policy experience!

[daemon]

omg trump stop saying stuff on twitter!

http://www.nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/01/13/lockheed-martin-1800-new-jobs/


yeahhh about that.

[Optimus]

What should I install to prep for our mass surveillance future?

You're already living in it.

https://twitter.com/Slate/status/820044120991420416

 

Can't tell if they're kidding or not anymore. This might as well have been an old Onion article making fun of liberal pretentiousness.

[curly]

I think Benji knows too much about Alex Jones, it's not healthy.

[Optimus]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/spy-agencies-around-the-world-are-digging-into-trump-moscow?utm_term=.lyQXoZ8arP#.pboz7mP092


Neoliberalism in desperation trying to survive from the monster it created. Will they manage to organize their coup d'etat in mere days after setting the foundations with bullshit and unsubstantiated rumors? We'll see.

[benjipwns]

I think Benji knows too much about *, it's not healthy.

[fizzel]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/spy-agencies-around-the-world-are-digging-into-trump-moscow?utm_term=.lyQXoZ8arP#.pboz7mP092


Neoliberalism in desperation trying to survive from the monster it created. Will they manage to organize their coup d'etat in mere days after setting the foundations with bullshit and unsubstantiated rumors? We'll see.

Liberals deserve the coming wood chipper.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/spy-agencies-around-the-world-are-digging-into-trump-moscow?utm_term=.lyQXoZ8arP#.pboz7mP092


Neoliberalism in desperation trying to survive from the monster it created. Will they manage to organize their coup d'etat in mere days after setting the foundations with bullshit and unsubstantiated rumors? We'll see.

A man can wish, but I conform myself with a shitty inauguration.

[Nola]

Intelligence agencies from allied countries want to investigate alleged connections of the leader of the world's hegemonic power, which they will at times be sharing intelligence with, to ensure future intelligence will not end up in the hands of geopolitical foes. Not all that shocking tbh.

Even from a place like Israel, where its right wing leaders up until recently were creaming at the idea of a US president endorsing a capital in Jerusalem.

[Optimus]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/spy-agencies-around-the-world-are-digging-into-trump-moscow?utm_term=.lyQXoZ8arP#.pboz7mP092


Neoliberalism in desperation trying to survive from the monster it created. Will they manage to organize their coup d'etat in mere days after setting the foundations with bullshit and unsubstantiated rumors? We'll see.

A man can wish, but I conform myself with a shitty inauguration.

Why wish that though? You can't only have democracy when you like the result, democracy's biggest advantage is accountability. They created an illiterate, politically uneducated, struggling, desperate and angry middle class and now they reap what they sow, both establishment democrats and republicans who I'm sure will be slowly pushed out of the party.

Let's not drop to the level of authoritarian nutjob gaffers and their utter contempt for democracy and free speech best exemplified on both in this and the Brexit vote.

[Syph]

Milo (and Shkreli) silenced yet again at UC Davis last night. Rescheduled for today.
Hopefully it ends up happening.

[Rufus]

I hope they both burn to death in a car crash.

[Syph]

I hope they both burn to death in a car crash.

You're right, much easier to silence someone you disagree with than to engage them or to ignore them.

edit: I'm not a fan of those guys either, but the behavior on campuses to restrict free speech is embarrassing.

[Rufus]

Nah, it's exactly what they should be doing. They have plenty of other platforms to produce themselves on. Denying them this one podium isn't going to silence or hurt either the smirking attention whore or the shameless grifter one iota and it has fuck all to do with free speech. The notion that they will be silenced by this is asinine.

In fact, it's going to help themselves martyr themselves to their insipid audience, so they win either way, but at least that way nobody has to suffer them having their oh so sincere arguments being quoted anywhere.

[jakefromstatefarm]

If you really want to salvage the principle of free speech in this case (which I'm probably sympathetic towards) you can't do it on the grounds of protecting reasoned discourse. Milo isn't interested in 'engaging' with people; the upshot of his whole shtick is that it's legal to be a cunt (and, more cynically, to profit off of being a cunt).

[etiolate]

Milo has a Q&A after every speaking session. You can engage him.

He also loves that dipshits get him canceled because it ups his fame and worth.

Time for folks to be honest: They protest to silence rather than attempt the Q&A because while they may argue "let their ideas be said and exposed", they're actually afraid that they'd completely lose any debate they attempted. So instead they protest, full of vitriol and hate, and hope that gets things silenced.

Also, Rufus, they keep banning him from platforms. Thoe whole point of deplatforming someone is take away all their speaking platforms. Getthefuckouttahere with that nonsense.

[Atramental]

A Q&A with audience members (most of whom are air headed college students) really isn't much of a debate. 

edit: Also, Milo is more of a shit stirring troll than a legitimate thought leader but I digress.

[Rufus]

Also, Rufus, they keep banning him from platforms. Thoe whole point of deplatforming someone is take away all their speaking platforms. Getthefuckouttahere with that nonsense.

Yeah, I'm sure he'll run out any time now.

Milo and people like him are not interested in discourse. He's there to sell his name by being an abrasive cunt, which he gets whether he speaks or not. Students don't want to suffer his presence and deny him promotion? So be it.