US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Syph]

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-15/trump-calls-nato-obsolete-and-dismisses-eu-in-german-interview

the NATO talk is scary however the one point I agree with is the funding. No one is asking for countries to match America's spending. But a significant number of NATO-members simply don't adhere to the agreed on %GDP spending requirement.

EU on the other hand I don't care about. It was an interesting experiment but you don't need to look much farther than the PIIGS to see why it is economically provocative.

[Optimus]

Wait, what's that? Benji are you trolling us again?

[benjipwns]

I think their calculator is broken. It says approved when I only have 58% of the population.

[benjipwns]

All I need is to seize France, Germany, Italy and Malta and I can bring the EU to its knees.

[Atramental]

Why is American political """discourse""" just slinging various phrases and terms that you don't even know the meaning of.

Americans just like to yell libruls, fascists, socialists at everyone and anything.

 

[benjipwns]

wait, are those insults for the people at that location or by them?

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yes

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[Broseidon]

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Despite our differences, we can all agree liberals are shit. A Good Cartoon.

[toku]

[Nola]

You know exactly to which people here I'm talking to.

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I don't care it makes fun of me, that gif is a goddamn masterpiece.

For someone that spends an unhealthy amount of time deriding GAF and their tendency to argue by way of assumptive psychoanalyzing and shaming/well-poisoning of out-group think, you really love using the same framework in your own interactions.

Surely that irony isn't lost on you?

Compared to your well reasoned arguments where you're just whining and attacking me personally because I dared to criticize liberals? You're such a fucking hypocrite dude. Tell me, what kind of reply did you expect with this shitpost:

Your broad stroke ranting is particularly insufferable today.

That response and your recent portfolio would fit well in the GAF moderator community if you just exchanged your dogma for theirs. You should consider applying!

Make a continuation of unsubstantiated assertions while injecting antagonistic, demeaning and passive-aggressive lines aimed at anyone that doesn't share your POV for pages on end.

When that behavior is ridiculed, call foul and declare it a "personal attack" and that "they" are being the intolerant ones.

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I mean I don't know what you want me to argue? A little over a month ago Trump was the product entirely of identity politics pushed onto the American public through an organized media campaign and rich liberal elites. I tried to have a more substantive conversation about it but you weren't having it. Now he is the product of what you consider neoliberalism(which at this point almost seems to umbrella anyone that accepts the idea of comparative advantage having the possibility of being beneficial). And while I don't personally disagree that in a broad sense, aspects of globalization have likely fostered resentments, that along with other contributing factors(recession, immigration, technological growth, hegemony wrangling, wage stagnation, M.E. turmoil, cultural divisions, education, media, political policies, economic market shifts etc.), have likely helped give rise to these populist movements throughout the world. To have this conversation IMO requires the capacity to do more then talk in broad strokes using terms you are not defining well to your audience, and then declaring anyone not seeing your vague POV as stupid or not seeing the truth. Or more recently attaching negative psychoanalysis to them, lumping them into caricatures you have created and asserting you don't have to explain yourself on the topic further because of that.

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It's simple. I'm more than willing to discuss my ideology with anyone that is willing to discuss. People who act like dicks though receive the same treatment, you specifically. What exactly was unsubstantiated, that EU is undemocratic which I supported with both specific examples and arguments mentioning specific institutions within the Union, that Western imperialism and interventionism that both liberals and conservatives supported is responsible for many countries' suffering which I also supported with specific examples? Which are these "broad strokes" you keep talking about? The only unsubstantiated assertions here are yours.

I'm glad we at least agree on some things but where did I declare anyone disagreeing with my POV as stupid, please quote a specific post. As for "attaching negative psychoanalysis" to you I was just responding appropriately to your obnoxious shitpost and I'd do it again. Stop baiting people if you don't want for them to  "attach negative psychoanalysis" ...or whatever.

Who is being a dick here? Because if the guy that felt these were respectable responses to someone casually disagreeing with them...

I think your "positives" about Trump speaking shit seem to be negatives for most people that would prefer stability.

We know full well what neoliberal "stability" means. It's the slow and methodical depredation of our labor rights, salaries, dignity, privacy, even freedom in exchange for a perceived stability people like you think they have until they become part of the growing number of middle class that got screwed. Go tell that stability bullshit to a prison slave, or a middle class American that works three part time jobs that pay nothing, or a patient that has to pay tens of thousands of dollars every year for a drug that costs nothing because that piece of shit Cory Booker took 250k+ dollars in donations.

Second, if you think Trump is affecting these countries with his bullshit you need to have a less shallow view of politics

Maybe I'm missing your point, because if you really think that that idiot's populist crap is the real problem with many of these countries, I don't know what to say to you.

Oh and btw, liberals I present to you your political hero, Barack Obama, I'm sure you'll find some excuse to explain his actions, once again:

I don't get how my response is somehow beyond the pale?

[Nola]

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-15/trump-calls-nato-obsolete-and-dismisses-eu-in-german-interview

the NATO talk is scary however the one point I agree with is the funding. No one is asking for countries to match America's spending. But a significant number of NATO-members simply don't adhere to the agreed on %GDP spending requirement.

EU on the other hand I don't care about. It was an interesting experiment but you don't need to look much farther than the PIIGS to see why it is economically provocative.

I am not saying I am against a bit more pressure(though the way Trump often frames it I am absolutely not for that approach) to get other member states to keep acceptable skin in the game, but Trump's approach is really frightening. He is speaking as the glue that holds NATO together that maybe we should go our own ways unless you fall in line. By way of questioning article 5 and simultenaously downplaying the Kremlin's actions and signaling a desire to have good relations as a policy goal. In the process all but ignoring the stabilizing force that NATO has been, even if flawed and as Turkey shows, tenuous.

[chronovore]

Having Trump represent my country makes me nauseous.

[Rufus]

Could be worse.

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[chronovore]

Could be worse.

I'd like to disagree with you, but I thought "it can't get worse" when GW Bush was president, and the fucking flyover states set out to prove me wrong.

[Rufus]

:I

Well, see the upside, he might croak before his 2nd term.

[chronovore]

:I

Well, see the upside, he might croak before his 2nd term.

I don't like Pence in the POTUS seat either, but I think he can be reasoned with unlike tangerine man baby.

[benjipwns]

Don't worry it'll be difficult for Trump to ever rate lower than 43rd out of the 44 Presidents thanks to this asshole:

[benjipwns]

Ugh, those pesky voters again:

https://twitter.com/9NewsEducation/status/820404851616153602

Colorado congressman Rep. Mike Coffman (R-CO), who vowed to "stand up" to President-elect Donald Trump, left his own community event early on Saturday after a crowd of constituents showed up with questions.

More importantly:

In a statement obtained by KUSA, Coffman's chief of staff Ben Stein wrote that "the volume of people who came" prevented Coffman from meeting with all the attendees.

[benjipwns]

The cancellation of MILO’s event with pharmaceutical entrepreneur Martin Shkreli at UC Davis protestors dominated headlines over the weekend, as America looked on in shock at the violence and aggression of left-wing student protestors.

that spin

this photo


warning benji visits the comments:

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Pasifika • 2 hours ago
Milo is doing America a great service, he's finally exposing the left for who they are. Many Americans are watching this and come 2020 they will vote Trump's second term because they're fed up with leftists and their hypocrisy. Heck, 2018 will see a 60 seat Republican senate majority. That should drive the left more crazy.

take that liebruals, the more you complain the more powerful Milo and Daddy become!

Heide • 5 hours ago
The feminazi's fear him. Milo speaks the truth and they can't frame him as a typical rightwing male because he's gay. They fear hearing the truth from someone who has no reason to lie will open too many minds.

take that lieburals, Milo can't be criticized because he's gay!

STQ • 3 hours ago
Milo, give up the Gay. Please. It is wrong and you know it. Get your life straightened out while there is still time. Jesus came to set the captive free and you are being help captive by your sexual lusts. Jesus CAN help set you free. Why else did he die if he were not able to set the sinner free from his sin. You may be a really great guy but your eternal soul matters more than all of it!

take that lieburals, Milo will saved and there's nothing your precious science can do about it!

January9 • 27 minutes ago
Can't wait for this snowflake to go back to the UK. What a CUCK!

mastercaveman • 3 hours ago
Seriously, this guy needs to stop denying he is a Liberal.

take that liebruals, Milo is such a liebural cuck he's going to run back to Mommie Queen....wait, now I'm confused.

Robespierre • 4 hours ago
Sorry Bannon, I'm with you on globalism but not on board with the kind of ally who can't stop bragging about how much black ***k he's taken in the a$$.

stop hold on, we're turning on each other!

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[Phoenix Dark]

 

[zomgee]

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Great. Adolph Twitler.

[benjipwns]

http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/01/16/obama-fades-away-as-trump-laughs-at-his-enemies-n2271681

America’s Nobody-in-Chief is finally going away, his last spasm of rhetorical onanism completely overshadowed by Donald Trump neatly turning the tables on the media purveyors of that fake dossier that tried and failed to paint the PEOTUS as the second coming of Bob Crane.

Good riddance. And welcome President Trump. I have a simple two-word request for you:

Avenge us!

The last two months have been hysterically funny as President Faily McWorsethancarter desperately tried to remain relevant. He’s taken leading from behind to a whole new level – he’s actually now behind behind. No one is listening to him. No one cares. While Obama wanders the halls of power, looking for people to pat him on the back, Trump is out there leading. Carrier – saved. Appointments – heading to confirmation. CNN – dissed n’ dismissed. One tweet from Trump and he resets the paradigm like a boss. Ask L.L. Bean. It’s getting hard to handle all this #winning.

While the helpless mainstream media frets over its irrelevance, Obama is left urging his minions to throw little tantrums out in the Deep State, trying to do just a little more damage to this country before he is finally exiled to comfortable obscurity. But payback is a Pelosi; soon Trump’s pen and phone are going to be wielded by the guy who Team Integrity has been calling “illegitimate” since the moment Hillary lost and it again became patriotic to question election results. All that last-minute regulatory nonsense is getting overturned. America will be a beacon of freedom to Cubans once again. The Western land thefts will be undone. We’ll drill, baby, drill. It’s going to be awesome, as will the tsunami of liberal tears.

And there’s nothing you haters can do about it. Nothing. You can howl about Russians, conflicts of interest, and innovative sexuality, but the only thing we care about are the four more years of a Clinton White House that we dodged November 8th. Nothing will stick to him, nothing will stop him. There’s your tribute, America’s Elite. There’s your legacy, Mainstream Media. Nothing you say matters anymore. Nothing. We don’t need you. We don’t trust you. And, even if we did, we don’t care about anything you say. You did this to yourselves.

Your hate is Trump’s validation – anyone you detest so much has to be someone we need to support because we know you feel exactly the same way about us. When withered crone Meryl Streep lectured Trump on how he’s terrible and needs to obey her kind, she was really talking to us. “Accept our moral and political leadership,” she demanded, all #caring and kindly. It was her least-convincing performance since she played the pale, mediocre chick in The Deer Hunter. But what we hear when people like her talk at us is another bit from The Deer Hunter, with liberals figuratively handing us a revolver and shouting “Di di mau!”

Nope, we have chosen not to go first in your proposed suicide pact. So what ya got now? Boycotts? Hashtags like #TheResistence? Losing yourself in a gay Muslim immigrant furry romance?

You got nothing. Damn, that whole not owning guns thing has really worked out poorly for you.

[benjipwns]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/trump-is-making-journalism-great-again-214638

Now, before the Committee to Protect Journalists throws up the batsign and the rest of us bemoan Trump’s actions as anti-press—which they are—let’s thank the incoming president for simplifying our mission. If Trump’s idea of a news conference is to spank the press, if his lieutenants believe the press needs shutting down, if his chief of staff wants to speculate about moving the White House press scrum off the premises, perhaps reporters ought to take the hint and prepare to cover his administration on their own terms. Instead of relying exclusively on the traditional skills of political reporting, the carriers of press cards ought to start thinking of covering Trump’s Washington like a war zone, where conflict follows conflict, where the fog prevents the collection of reliable information directly from the combatants, where the assignment is a matter of life or death.

In his own way, Trump has set us free. Reporters must treat Inauguration Day as a kind of Liberation Day to explore news outside the usual Washington circles. He has been explicit in his disdain for the press and his dislike for press conferences, prickly to the nth degree about being challenged and known for his vindictive way with those who cross him. So, forget about the White House press room. It’s time to circle behind enemy lines.

As Trump shuts down White House access to reporters, they will infest the departments and agencies around town that the president has peeved. The intelligence establishment, which Trump has deprecated over the issue of Russian hacking, owes him no favors and less respect. It will be in their institutional interest to leak damaging material on Trump. The same applies to other bureaucracies. Will a life-long EPA employ take retirement knowing he won’t be replaced, or if he is, by somebody who will take policy in a direction he deplores? Such an employee could be a fine source. Trump, remember, will only be president, not emperor, and as such subject to all the passive-aggressive magic a bureaucracy can produce. Ditto the Pentagon, the State Department, the FBI, and even conventionally newsless outposts like Transportation and Labor.

Consider the Nixon administration, which presented an anti-press posture akin to Trump’s, sending Vice President Spiro Agnew to give speeches designed to delegitimize journalists. Nixon also fought with the press by seeking to block the publication of the Pentagon Papers in 1971. This proved a disaster. In his book, Poisoning the Press, Mark Feldstein quotes Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg on the course-change navigated by the top newspapers in the wake of Nixon’s reaction. “A newspaper industry that for thirty years and more had been living happily ... on government handouts was suddenly in widespread revolt,” Ellsberg commented. “One paper after another was clamoring for its chance, not just to get a piece of a story but to step across the line into radical civil disobedience.”

The harder Trump rides the press—and he gives no sign of dismounting—the higher he elevates reporters in the estimation of many voters. Witness how many publications are selling subscriptions by promising to “hold Trump accountable.”

dude is accidentially accusing his colleagues of not doing their self-proclaimed jobs as "watchdogs of the state/whatever" for past however many years

[Optimus]

I don't get how my response is somehow beyond the pale?

While these posts are not nearly what you described, point taken. Having said that your broad strokes argument isn't valid. Liberals do defend Obama blindly and we've seen that again and again and again, with how he handled Wall Street, with the wars in Syria and Libya, NDAA and now this; mentioning the serious shortcomings of a political group isn't dickish or "broad strokes" it's just an observation that in this situation happens to be 100% true.

[Optimus]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/trump-is-making-journalism-great-again-214638

Now, before the Committee to Protect Journalists throws up the batsign and the rest of us bemoan Trump’s actions as anti-press—which they are—let’s thank the incoming president for simplifying our mission. If Trump’s idea of a news conference is to spank the press, if his lieutenants believe the press needs shutting down, if his chief of staff wants to speculate about moving the White House press scrum off the premises, perhaps reporters ought to take the hint and prepare to cover his administration on their own terms. Instead of relying exclusively on the traditional skills of political reporting, the carriers of press cards ought to start thinking of covering Trump’s Washington like a war zone, where conflict follows conflict, where the fog prevents the collection of reliable information directly from the combatants, where the assignment is a matter of life or death.

In his own way, Trump has set us free. Reporters must treat Inauguration Day as a kind of Liberation Day to explore news outside the usual Washington circles. He has been explicit in his disdain for the press and his dislike for press conferences, prickly to the nth degree about being challenged and known for his vindictive way with those who cross him. So, forget about the White House press room. It’s time to circle behind enemy lines.

As Trump shuts down White House access to reporters, they will infest the departments and agencies around town that the president has peeved. The intelligence establishment, which Trump has deprecated over the issue of Russian hacking, owes him no favors and less respect. It will be in their institutional interest to leak damaging material on Trump. The same applies to other bureaucracies. Will a life-long EPA employ take retirement knowing he won’t be replaced, or if he is, by somebody who will take policy in a direction he deplores? Such an employee could be a fine source. Trump, remember, will only be president, not emperor, and as such subject to all the passive-aggressive magic a bureaucracy can produce. Ditto the Pentagon, the State Department, the FBI, and even conventionally newsless outposts like Transportation and Labor.

Consider the Nixon administration, which presented an anti-press posture akin to Trump’s, sending Vice President Spiro Agnew to give speeches designed to delegitimize journalists. Nixon also fought with the press by seeking to block the publication of the Pentagon Papers in 1971. This proved a disaster. In his book, Poisoning the Press, Mark Feldstein quotes Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg on the course-change navigated by the top newspapers in the wake of Nixon’s reaction. “A newspaper industry that for thirty years and more had been living happily ... on government handouts was suddenly in widespread revolt,” Ellsberg commented. “One paper after another was clamoring for its chance, not just to get a piece of a story but to step across the line into radical civil disobedience.”

The harder Trump rides the press—and he gives no sign of dismounting—the higher he elevates reporters in the estimation of many voters. Witness how many publications are selling subscriptions by promising to “hold Trump accountable.”

dude is accidentially accusing his colleagues of not doing their self-proclaimed jobs as "watchdogs of the state/whatever" for past however many years

At least he's honest. Their bosses would force them to do their fucking job this time anyway, even is Trump was friendly to them, because their interests certainly don't align with his policies.

[Samson Manhug]

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump said this weekend that he was nearly ready to unveil a plan to replace President Obama’s Affordable Care Act with “insurance for everybody.”

Mr. Trump, in an interview Saturday evening with The Washington Post, said that health care offered under his plan would come “in a much simplified form — much less expensive and much better.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/us/politics/trump-health-law-replacement.html

I’ll consider joining the Brown Shirts to bash a few snowflakes if he gives us single-payer.

[Optimus]

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump said this weekend that he was nearly ready to unveil a plan to replace President Obama’s Affordable Care Act with “insurance for everybody.”

Mr. Trump, in an interview Saturday evening with The Washington Post, said that health care offered under his plan would come “in a much simplified form — much less expensive and much better.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/us/politics/trump-health-law-replacement.html

I’ll consider joining the Brown Shirts to bash a few snowflakes if he gives us single-payer.

No way in hell. It will be simple like libertarians' tax plans are "simple", by screwing everyone but the rich. If he gives single payer I will eat crow and apologize to Trump supporters, you can quote me on that. 

[VomKriege]

I'm kind of eager to see the rubber hit the road (in hilarious / scary fashion, I suspect) with actions because this whole foreplay of dissecting tweets and reading his mind is unbearable.

Are there really suckers that think Trump came up with a better healthcare plan by thinking about it real hard for 2 whole days ?

[Great Rumbler]

Trump has actually spoken approvingly of single-payer healthcare multiple times over the years [although he denied it during the campaign], so it wouldn't necessarily comes as a shock to see him support it now. But even supposing that he did, the GOP would absolutely not go along with it.

[El Babua]

I doubt he'll propose a single-payer option, but if he does, that will be the second thing that I'll thank him for.

The first being him absolutely destroying GWB's post 9/11 legacy.

[Optimus]

Trump has actually spoken approvingly of single-payer healthcare multiple times over the years [although he denied it during the campaign], so it wouldn't necessarily comes as a shock to see him support it now. But even supposing that he did, the GOP would absolutely not go along with it.

It would be hilarious watching Trump bully the GOP into voting for single payer with the help of his fanatical supporters. I don't say it'll happen but I'd really want to watch that. It would make everyone look like fucking idiots. 

[Brehvolution]

[ToxicAdam]

I thought a Trump presidency would be entertaining, but now I see it will just be him spouting out random shit and then every one spends a newscycle trying to parse what it means. Then the next day he says something completely unrelated and it all starts again.

The President our ADHD generation deserves.

[Nola]

I'm kind of eager to see the rubber hit the road (in hilarious / scary fashion, I suspect) with actions because this whole foreplay of dissecting tweets and reading his mind is unbearable.

Are there really suckers that think Trump came up with a better healthcare plan by thinking about it real hard for 2 whole days ?

Yes, I follow the site strictly for the Pelicans but it is amusing to occasionally step over into the cess pool of the political side:
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/
Though is it really shocking Trump supporters are kinda ignorant and just adhering their views to their cult of personality? Trump just needs to dress whatever he does up in their rhetoric and pepper in some hate.

And at this point I honestly think, that like back in the 2000's when Republicans tried to reform social security and realized you have to find a way to still pay for the baby boomers going into the system, many are just flat out ignorant of certain facts regarding this issue.

But Trump would be an accidental genius if he could steal the near 100 year fight that Republicans have been stuck on the wrong side of history and make it theirs.

[curly]

California is unfriendly territory for a Republican – particularly a pro-Trump one. The president-elect won just over 30 percent of the vote there.

but not, arguably, a socially liberal/libertarian one...

Gray Davis and Jerry Brown are the only Democratic Governors of California in the last 50 years, and both had economic/fiscal platforms were based around balancing budgets/cutting government/making it more efficient and less bloated/etc. While the GOPers were pro-choice/pro-immigrant/etc. (until Pete Wilson decided he wanted to be President...otherwise think Arnold's social views for example)

Not to mention that the California Democrats love to shoot themselves in the foot in Governor's races by running people who can only win SF and LA.

Thiel vs. Newsom. While I wouldn't bet on a Thiel victory this early, at least it has the potential to actual result in some debate. Thiel's a pretty smart guy; it would be interesting to see someone employ Trump-style unconventional tactics but in a more measured, eloquent way.

Nobody wants Trump rhetoric that's measured and eloquent 

Nobody wants to vote for this awkward creep

edit: He's a real life vampire, for christ's sake

[Nola]

Trump has actually spoken approvingly of single-payer healthcare multiple times over the years [although he denied it during the campaign], so it wouldn't necessarily comes as a shock to see him support it now. But even supposing that he did, the GOP would absolutely not go along with it.

I guess the question would be(and I haven't looked at the congress in depth enough) but if he went this route it would almost guarantee a bizarre situation where Trump will rely on getting all Democrats to jump on and convincing a few Republicans that have tethered themselves to Trump.

Though honestly, I think this whole thing is Trump bullshitting and Tom Price and Co. will draft a bill that will be sold as "universal access" and they will run a disinformation campaign to prop it up when in reality it will be similar to most of the replacement plans that fail to achieve even the flawed results of the ACA.

[studyguy]

Trump has spoken approving Planned Parenthood too but I mean lets be real, dude is all but letting his crew go gungho into stripping PP top to bottom. If anyone is going to up into some vaginas it's Trump and co, not medical doctors. 


That being said, the Bruce Springsteen band backed out 


https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/821054409106821120

[Joe Molotov]

 

[Syph]

California is unfriendly territory for a Republican – particularly a pro-Trump one. The president-elect won just over 30 percent of the vote there.

but not, arguably, a socially liberal/libertarian one...

Gray Davis and Jerry Brown are the only Democratic Governors of California in the last 50 years, and both had economic/fiscal platforms were based around balancing budgets/cutting government/making it more efficient and less bloated/etc. While the GOPers were pro-choice/pro-immigrant/etc. (until Pete Wilson decided he wanted to be President...otherwise think Arnold's social views for example)

Not to mention that the California Democrats love to shoot themselves in the foot in Governor's races by running people who can only win SF and LA.

Thiel vs. Newsom. While I wouldn't bet on a Thiel victory this early, at least it has the potential to actual result in some debate. Thiel's a pretty smart guy; it would be interesting to see someone employ Trump-style unconventional tactics but in a more measured, eloquent way.

Nobody wants Trump rhetoric that's measured and eloquent 

Nobody wants to vote for this awkward creep

edit: He's a real life vampire, for christ's sake

Wow great points!
I'm talking about how Trump didn't play the traditional political game in debates and similar venues. Non-traditional campaign etc. Now pair that with someone who can actually speak.

[studyguy]

Yall shitting on my state?
Yeah we're going to elect another SF former mayor.

This time we're electing diet matthew mcconaughey with newsom





Thiel isn't gonna make shit happen considering how easily one draws a line from Thiel to Trump.
We might shoot ourselves in the foot with governors, but even Meg Whitman who most people were worried would buy the fucking election whole and was far more moderate in her stances still got blown out by Brown despite dropping a mint. Nah, when even Orange County voted down Trump, any goon connected to that dude is literally asking for the kiss of death. Let him waste his cash though, w/e

[etiolate]

I am amused how the left is bringing back phrenology. Very pro-handome young white man. Very anti-ithinkhelookslikeasecretpedorapist.

[curly]

Nobody wants Trump rhetoric that's measured and eloquent 

Nobody wants to vote for this awkward creep

edit: He's a real life vampire, for christ's sake
Wow great points!
I'm talking about how Trump didn't play the traditional political game in debates and similar venues. Non-traditional campaign etc. Now pair that with someone who can actually speak.

You get so triggered when someone criticizes one of the right-wing weirdos that nobody likes but you

Thiel will be running in 2018 in a state that hates Trump and will be looking to punish anyone that is associated with him. He isn't charismatic like Schwarzenegger. He isn't a good speaker. He has no experience in the public eye. He said women voting is bad for democracy. California is only getting more democratic and less white. He isn't famous. To the extent that he is known already, it is for negative stuff, like being a crazy-ass libertarian or suing news orgs out of existence.

I am amused how the left is bringing back . Very pro-handome young white man. Very anti-ithinkhelookslikeasecretpedorapist.

that's not phrenology, that's how every politician is judged. People don't want to vote for an uggo.

[studyguy]

I am amused how the left is bringing back phrenology. Very pro-handome young white man. Very anti-ithinkhelookslikeasecretpedorapist.

[Syph]

Nobody wants Trump rhetoric that's measured and eloquent 

Nobody wants to vote for this awkward creep

edit: He's a real life vampire, for christ's sake
Wow great points!
I'm talking about how Trump didn't play the traditional political game in debates and similar venues. Non-traditional campaign etc. Now pair that with someone who can actually speak.

You get so triggered when someone criticizes one of the right-wing weirdos that nobody likes but you

Thiel will be running in 2018 in a state that hates Trump and will be looking to punish anyone that is associated with him. He isn't charismatic like Schwarzenegger. He isn't a good speaker. He has no experience in the public eye. He said women voting is bad for democracy. California is only getting more democratic and less white. He isn't famous. To the extent that he is known already, it is for negative stuff, like being a crazy-ass libertarian or suing news orgs out of existence.

yea nice try with the bolded
I agree that Newsom is the likely winner though (like I alluded to when I first made the post) but it'll be nice for it to be D vs R instead of D vs D vs D

[Purrp Skirrp]

https://twitter.com/timheidecker/status/821096558384934912

[VomKriege]

[Take My Breh Away]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/16/german-vice-chancellor-rejects-trumps-german-car-remarks.html

Trump had also claimed German automakers don't behave fairly because a lot of German cars are seen in the U.S., but few American cars in Germany.

Gabriel responded that "the U.S. needs to build better cars."

[Brehvolution]

While I was waiting for my cleaning in the dentist office this morning(daps PD), I was reading today's paper about trump country in upstate NY. The deeply conservative parts of the state that went overwhelmingly for trump because the "change" never came to them in the past 8 years. 

You mean that all the bullshit that fox news was telling you were going to happen and that you didn't want to happen didn't actually happen, so you voted trump? 


Jeez, it would be so sad if your insurance was taken away.....

[Cerveza mas fina]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/16/german-vice-chancellor-rejects-trumps-german-car-remarks.html

Trump had also claimed German automakers don't behave fairly because a lot of German cars are seen in the U.S., but few American cars in Germany.

Gabriel responded that "the U.S. needs to build better cars."

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thats funny and true for gas cars but I see a lot Teslas here in Denmark, don't think there is a European alternative

[brawndolicious]

Isn't Vauxhall and opel part of GM? Not to mention Fords are extremely popular in euroland. That's second and third place right there for euroland.

And that's without cheating!

[Take My Breh Away]

Isn't Vauxhall and opel part of GM? Not to mention Fords are extremely popular in euroland. That's second and third place right there for euroland.

And that's without cheating!

Ford is popular in the British Isles (Especially due to the Transit), but it's well down in the rankings elsewhere. I'd say Ford would maybe be the fifth biggest brand on the continent behind VW, Renault, Nissan and Toyota. BMW and Mercedes would out pace them in central Europe. GM owns Opel and Vauxhall but they aren't the brand they were back in the 80's/90's when they were dominant (I've driven the newest Astra though. It's pretty decent).

The German vice Chancellor ain't wrong (Even though Ford is producing the best line up of cars it ever has in it's lifetime)  

[brawndolicious]

http://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2016-q1-europe-best-selling-car-manufacturers-brands/

I'm talking about yurop here. It's weird in its estimates so Renault might be ahead but GM and Ford are solidly in the top 5.

I think the problem is that Ford and GM don't make many premium small cars while German brands sell a ton of vulgar "sport" SUVs here. My personal issue with European cars is they always manage to break in random, expensive ways.

[T-Short]

https://twitter.com/ChaseMit/status/821195858150649858

hehe

[VomKriege]

Meanwhile, Putin is having the laugh of his life :

Russian intelligence services "don't chase every American billionaire," Putin said. He added that Trump "has been with the most beautiful women in the world, so why would he need prostitutes in Moscow?"

"Trump organized beauty contests," Putin continued. " I find it hard to believe that he rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world.”

http://www.businessinsider.fr/us/putin-responds-to-claims-made-in-trump-russia-dossier-2017-1/

Whatever comes out of all this, American institutions are getting dragged in the mud if not dismantled (apparently Trump wants to strip the FCC of some of his consumer protection powers...)

[Joe Molotov]

I hope Trump makes American hookers great again. Bring back our hooker jobs from overseas!

[Brehvolution]

mah coal:
http://inhabitat.com/wyoming-lawmakers-launch-bill-that-would-ban-selling-renewable-energy/

“Wyoming is a great wind state and we produce a lot of wind energy,” Miller said. “We also produce a lot of conventional energy, many times our needs. The electricity generated by coal is amongst the least expensive in the country. We want Wyoming residences to benefit from this inexpensive electrical generation. “He added that he doesn’t want to see Wyoming “averaged into” other states that require utilities to supply “more expensive” renewable energy.

The proposed bill would allow renewable energy producers in the state to sell power to customers outside Wyoming without a penalty. The cost of selling power in their own state would be $10 per megawatt hour of energy sold.

 

[Samson Manhug]

Is this from ALEC? I could see Oklahoma trying to pass something similar.

[brawndolicious]

Chelsea Mannings sentence was commuted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html

I believe Obama claimed that there was nothing that could be done about Snowden since there was no trial/verdict yet.

[ToxicAdam]

That's great, but this doesn't expunge his horrible record with whistleblowers.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/06/22/edward_snowden_is_eighth_person_obama_has_pursued_under_espionage_act.html

[Take My Breh Away]

Chelsea Mannings sentence was commuted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html

I believe Obama claimed that there was nothing that could be done about Snowden since there was no trial/verdict yet.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/776437869376262144

 

[nachobro]

Chelsea Mannings sentence was commuted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html

I believe Obama claimed that there was nothing that could be done about Snowden since there was no trial/verdict yet.

Nixon was pardoned without a trial/verdict

Grant clemency to the person who sent 700k documents to wikileaks without reviewing them, ignore the whistleblower who actually tried to minimize damage. Obama must still be pretty pissed about his NSA spy shit being revealed.