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« Reply #2220 on: January 21, 2017, 08:08:40 PM »
That choice may have disastrous outcomes that I'd rather not have.

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« Reply #2221 on: January 21, 2017, 08:18:56 PM »
Disastrous? It's the status quo, meaning nothing will change. Trump has more to lose than the media. He's at the lowest approval ratings of any newly inaugurated president in modern memory. Meanwhile the media seems to be doing pretty damn well.

I'm going to assume Trump will be doing more lying than the media over the next 100 days. If we started keeping count yesterday it would be what, 8 to 2 right now?  :lol
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« Reply #2222 on: January 21, 2017, 08:21:10 PM »
The press has incredibly low trust ratings. Business is not good if you're devolving into tabloids.

In the game being played, Trump only has to bring up his level of behavior when it suits him if the press can't set any higher standard themselves. If they don't even know the game being played, and I think we'd agree that they don't, then they'll never reach that point.

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« Reply #2223 on: January 21, 2017, 08:23:36 PM »
Guess you didn't see CNN's ratings. They'll be fine. Trump on the other hand...

And like I said, there's no way they match him lie for lie or even come close. We'll know for sure in like 100 days when you're still talking about the MLK story and 1:1 equating it to the hundreds of lies Trump tells by then.  :doge

BTW I'm not defending the media per se, I agree they're trash but moreso for different reasons.
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« Reply #2224 on: January 21, 2017, 08:42:27 PM »
I have a feeling the closeness in falseness between the press and Trump is closer than you think.

The NYT article on Rick Perry that the source disavowed, the many hate crimes follow Trump election that turned out to be hoaxes, the Bane quote nonsense I brought up earlier, and I think some people were reporting that the new presidential websites not only wiped LGBQT and climage change, but promoted Melania's jewelry and fashion!*

*because it included that she worked as a model for companies when going over her life biography


I even found out today that USA Today quoted Popehat's DPRK parody account of North Korea as the actual twitter account of North Korea.

I kind of want the press to not constantly cry wolf when you have such an unknown in office.

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« Reply #2225 on: January 21, 2017, 08:47:22 PM »


Dunno in what is going to benefit to lie about this to the CIA and the FBI, everybody there already knows he is an double faced asshole with a thinskin. At worst they know he is a huge liability.


Fuck, I dunno.

Even in Canada here, I've seen this weird shift where coworkers are going from "Trump is crazy/insane/whatever"

to

"well, let's see how things go/he might be the one to shake things up/I don't agree with his approach, but...."


I feel like I'm in the fuckin' twilight zone, but if this weird Stockholm Syndrome can happen across the border, I can certainly see it taking hold in American federal law enforcement/intelligence too....
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« Reply #2226 on: January 21, 2017, 08:56:18 PM »
There hasn't been a nominee/new president in modern US history who has lied as often or as brazenly as Trump, or has been as hostile to the press - and it seems clear US media is still surprised/stunned at this and doesn't know how to respond. They've created an environment in which fact checking and facts don't really matter compared to making sure both sides of an argument are heard, no matter how ludicrous the proposition that's presented. If anything Trump is taking advantage of the environment they created while also dominating news coverage on multiple fronts. Ultimately the media will benefit financially though - more people will be watching. On the flip side eventually Trump will be hit with stories/scandals/etc that he can't just wave away, and the more that pile up the lower his approval ratings will go. Crowd sizes don't matter in the grand scheme of things, everyone will forget about this in a week (except for Trump).

It's ironic that you're using the "both sides" media narrative. Yea, the media will fuck up some stories in a quest to be first/get clicks. But I'm not really going to compare that to Trump outright lying about...well, everything.

I'm genuinely curious about how long it'll take for him to really step in some shit. I'm reminded of Obama with the Louis Gates/cop/beer gate thing, which was probably one of the first media driven freakouts he was forced to deal with. There are so many potential ones for Trump, from his business ties to the Russian stuff to China testing him at some point, etc.
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« Reply #2227 on: January 21, 2017, 09:11:15 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean by both sides in this regard. The media's playing Trump's game. My point is that they can't really do anything if he has a major fuck-up because of that.

Obama's controversies make me think it won't matter either. The things history will judge him harshest for certainly are not his birth certificate. Can you really just suddenly transition into SRS MODE after being a clownshoe press so long?

Maybe you disagree in thinking the press needs better behavior to deal with realer problems.

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« Reply #2229 on: January 21, 2017, 10:39:33 PM »
Speaking of alt-right trolling, I couldn't stop laughing at this (go to 1:45):


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« Reply #2230 on: January 21, 2017, 10:58:00 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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« Reply #2231 on: January 21, 2017, 11:02:54 PM »
https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/822998698258898944

The correct translation would be

"That's it!
Trump (is) president!
US (is) ours!"

The word "vse" translates to "all" or "everything", but also to signifies the end or the result of something. Which makes more sense in this context. The verb "to be" isn't used explicitly in Russian grammar.  :doge

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« Reply #2232 on: January 21, 2017, 11:11:10 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean by both sides in this regard. The media's playing Trump's game. My point is that they can't really do anything if he has a major fuck-up because of that.

Obama's controversies make me think it won't matter either. The things history will judge him harshest for certainly are not his birth certificate. Can you really just suddenly transition into SRS MODE after being a clownshoe press so long?

Maybe you disagree in thinking the press needs better behavior to deal with realer problems.

He has no real game plan outside what Bannon and others tell him be mad about that day. Now he is saying that Europe should just have one unified military front in the form of NATO (the one that called obsolete days ago).

Is also a real mistake to assume his voter base is that loyal or thinking in terms of "trolling the bad media". Many republicans have admited they voted for Trump because they hated Hillary guts. That is the reason why Trump still namedrops Hillary even in tangential shit like bitching about Meryl Streep.
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« Reply #2233 on: January 21, 2017, 11:13:48 PM »
The press has incredibly low trust ratings. Business is not good if you're devolving into tabloids.

In the game being played, Trump only has to bring up his level of behavior when it suits him if the press can't set any higher standard themselves. If they don't even know the game being played, and I think we'd agree that they don't, then they'll never reach that point.
Oh for fuck sake. Seriously.

 The "press" is not some monolithic entity. You can't conflate CNN with NYTimes with the McClatchy company with PBS with BBC America with...you get the point. Cherry picking a handful of stories, then using that as "proof" and then going further and trying to attribute motive/causations of something from that is lazy intellectualism at its worst.

The causation of a drop in trust is not just what you want it to be because you think it is based on your framing. The cultural opinion of trust is like anything else, like in politics for example, its complex and multi-faceted and I would argue at least some component of it is likely the assault on the industry from partisan outlets and politicians(primarily from the right) that as a matter of strategy try to discredit the major news players as a way to funnel undeserved trust to their shitty hubs. Which has led to a rise in partisan news as the go-to for many Americans.


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« Reply #2234 on: January 21, 2017, 11:17:57 PM »
The press has incredibly low trust ratings. Business is not good if you're devolving into tabloids.

In the game being played, Trump only has to bring up his level of behavior when it suits him if the press can't set any higher standard themselves. If they don't even know the game being played, and I think we'd agree that they don't, then they'll never reach that point.
Oh for fuck sake. Seriously.

 The "press" is not some monolithic entity. You can't conflate CNN with NYTimes with the McClatchy company with PBS with BBC America with...you get the point. Cherry picking a handful of stories, then using that as "proof" and then going further and trying to attribute motive/causations of something from that is lazy intellectualism at its worst.

The causation of a drop in trust is not just what you want it to be because you think it is based on your framing. The cultural opinion of trust is like anything else, like in politics for example, its complex and multi-faceted and I would argue at least some component of it is likely the assault on the industry from partisan outlets and politicians(primarily from the right) that as a matter of strategy try to discredit the major news players as a way to funnel undeserved trust to their shitty hubs. Which has led to a rise in partisan news as the go-to for many Americans.

Not mention that is not going to get better just by Trump bitching about them when "praising" outlets he likes.

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« Reply #2235 on: January 21, 2017, 11:19:32 PM »
These protests are nice and cathartic and all, but none of this shit will matter if people don't turn out in 2018 and 2020.

I remember when there were massive protests in Wisconsin after 2010 and everyone was all happy things were gonna turn around.

Then Walker gets re-elected with an even bigger margin than he did the first time.  :doge
I never got around to reading the whole book(still sitting on my shelf somewhere) but basically the overarching theme was just how fucked up the re-districting got in 2010. You literally had some states where a strong majority of people voted Democratic in subsequent elections but the state produced more Republican representatives because of how the maps were drawn.

The level of precision you can get now with drawing these maps and the 2010 wave has really stacked the deck against Democrats.

The one upside out of all this in the back of my mind is that Trump may just make so many enormous mistakes(like I think he is doing with healthcare right now) that Democrats may overcome that and if they can find a decent candidate to unseat Trump in a wave election, they could really reverse things in a major way(I would hope they would do the right thing and just create non-partisan re-districing where that happens but my hope is low).

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« Reply #2236 on: January 22, 2017, 12:06:50 AM »
“We should have kept the oil. Maybe we’ll have another chance.”

But no guys Hillary is the real war hawk we have to look out for

Surely Trump is isolationist and would never get us into another war for superfluous reasons

It's all talk guys

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« Reply #2237 on: January 22, 2017, 12:09:29 AM »
Speaking of alt-right trolling, I couldn't stop laughing at this (go to 1:45):



I nearly choked when she said "My apologies"


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« Reply #2239 on: January 22, 2017, 12:35:19 AM »
The press has incredibly low trust ratings. Business is not good if you're devolving into tabloids.

In the game being played, Trump only has to bring up his level of behavior when it suits him if the press can't set any higher standard themselves. If they don't even know the game being played, and I think we'd agree that they don't, then they'll never reach that point.
Oh for fuck sake. Seriously.

 The "press" is not some monolithic entity. You can't conflate CNN with NYTimes with the McClatchy company with PBS with BBC America with...you get the point. Cherry picking a handful of stories, then using that as "proof" and then going further and trying to attribute motive/causations of something from that is lazy intellectualism at its worst.

The causation of a drop in trust is not just what you want it to be because you think it is based on your framing. The cultural opinion of trust is like anything else, like in politics for example, its complex and multi-faceted and I would argue at least some component of it is likely the assault on the industry from partisan outlets and politicians(primarily from the right) that as a matter of strategy try to discredit the major news players as a way to funnel undeserved trust to their shitty hubs. Which has led to a rise in partisan news as the go-to for many Americans.

You should be listening better to me if you want to be smarter. No fake modesty on that. Sorry.

I WISH the media was more competitive than they are, but some things illuminate how lazy they truly are and how much it is like any little clique of business. There is no lazy intellectualism here. Knowing what I understand takes effort people don't put forth. Listen or shutup. Ain't nobody pretending why people vote isn't complex. We are talking about post-irony and this game being played. You are still acting like Hilary got elected and those old rules apply.

I may regret my bluntness on this, but not my message. For example: It's not undeserved trust, but wholesale mistrust that means select sources of news are inadequate. This pushed people to the edges. This is confounded by the built-in echo chambering via social media algos. Perfeclty smart people I know still think Trump deleted LBABC123QT page. It's not that right winger or trump voters are distinguished mentally-challenged, but that you're all distinguished mentally-challenged.

TYKKBIBI

PS: six beers and the nba, but I still operate at a higher level than most care to put forth. I'm a dork. I'm a nerd. But I out-think people constantly my whole life. It is what it is. Modesty is for the crown not the prole.

PPS: still fuck ipas

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« Reply #2240 on: January 22, 2017, 12:43:43 AM »

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« Reply #2241 on: January 22, 2017, 01:01:29 AM »
Speaking of alt-right trolling, I couldn't stop laughing at this (go to 1:45):


HAHAHAHAHAHA
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« Reply #2242 on: January 22, 2017, 01:04:48 AM »
PS: six beers and the nba, but I still operate at a higher level than most care to put forth. I'm a dork. I'm a nerd. But I out-think people constantly my whole life. It is what it is. Modesty is for the crown not the prole.

This is like a monologue from a Neil Breen movie or something.

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« Reply #2243 on: January 22, 2017, 01:09:42 AM »

PS: six beers and the nba, but I still operate at a higher level than most care to put forth. I'm a dork. I'm a nerd. But I out-think people constantly my whole life. It is what it is. Modesty is for the crown not the prole.

PPS: still fuck ipas

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« Reply #2244 on: January 22, 2017, 01:14:30 AM »
Psycho/sociopaths (and there is a good amount of crossover) generally believe they're unsung geniuses laboring away while their intelligence is wasted on those around them. On top of this etoilet admits he's an unrepentant introvert.

Basically what I'm saying is don't shoot up any schools, man. It wouldn't be a good look for the Bore.

You're totally right about IPAs, though.

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« Reply #2245 on: January 22, 2017, 02:32:24 AM »
I cant believe Trump is at it already with arguing the inauguration numbers  :lol

This is banana republic levels of shamefull, reminds me of the cockups in power in Poland now

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« Reply #2246 on: January 22, 2017, 03:10:34 AM »
PS: six beers and the nba, but I still operate at a higher level than most care to put forth. I'm a dork. I'm a nerd. But I out-think people constantly my whole life. It is what it is. Modesty is for the crown not the prole.

This is like a monologue from a Neil Breen movie or something.

WILL WE SEE HIS BALLSACK ?  :oreilly
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« Reply #2247 on: January 22, 2017, 03:15:37 AM »
PS: six beers and the nba, but I still operate at a higher level than most care to put forth. I'm a dork. I'm a nerd. But I out-think people constantly my whole life. It is what it is. Modesty is for the crown not the prole.

This is like a monologue from a Neil Breen movie or something.

WILL WE SEE HIS BALLSACK ?  :oreilly

WE SEE HIS BALLSACK!! WE SEE HIS BALLSACK

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« Reply #2248 on: January 22, 2017, 04:55:39 AM »
WE SEE HIS BALLSACK!! WE SEE HIS BALLSACK
Wow. Now this thread is normalizing Rich Evans? smh, a new low.

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« Reply #2250 on: January 22, 2017, 05:09:29 AM »
someone benjisplain this to me

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« Reply #2251 on: January 22, 2017, 05:11:54 AM »
someone benjisplain this to me

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« Reply #2252 on: January 22, 2017, 05:12:31 AM »
http://dcist.com/2017/01/so_many_memes_of_white_national_ric.php
Collect them all! But don't enjoy them too much cause punching people is bad even if the person thinks Jews aren't people? :teehee
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« Reply #2253 on: January 22, 2017, 07:07:58 AM »
I'm a dork. I'm a nerd. But I out-think people constantly my whole life. It is what it is. Modesty is for the crown not the prole.

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« Reply #2254 on: January 22, 2017, 07:31:07 AM »
:lol :lol :lol

Good job, NBC.




I love their reply, too.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/822523706589089792


Like sure, that picture from a Sikh dude on camera for about 3 secs out of a 15mins speech just showed up on your tweet completely inadvertently :doge
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« Reply #2255 on: January 22, 2017, 08:28:06 AM »
PS: six beers and the nba, but I still operate at a higher level than most care to put forth. I'm a dork. I'm a nerd. But I out-think people constantly my whole life. It is what it is. Modesty is for the crown not the prole.


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :heh  :ahnuld2 :comeon

Haven't even been up for 10 mins and already seen two posts today/last night that are so mind-boggling unintentionally funny.

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« Reply #2256 on: January 22, 2017, 10:03:06 AM »
Media: trolled
Women: trolled
The Bore: trolled
Benji and I: still alive
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« Reply #2257 on: January 22, 2017, 10:07:39 AM »
The press has incredibly low trust ratings. Business is not good if you're devolving into tabloids.

In the game being played, Trump only has to bring up his level of behavior when it suits him if the press can't set any higher standard themselves. If they don't even know the game being played, and I think we'd agree that they don't, then they'll never reach that point.
Oh for fuck sake. Seriously.

 The "press" is not some monolithic entity. You can't conflate CNN with NYTimes with the McClatchy company with PBS with BBC America with...you get the point. Cherry picking a handful of stories, then using that as "proof" and then going further and trying to attribute motive/causations of something from that is lazy intellectualism at its worst.

The causation of a drop in trust is not just what you want it to be because you think it is based on your framing. The cultural opinion of trust is like anything else, like in politics for example, its complex and multi-faceted and I would argue at least some component of it is likely the assault on the industry from partisan outlets and politicians(primarily from the right) that as a matter of strategy try to discredit the major news players as a way to funnel undeserved trust to their shitty hubs. Which has led to a rise in partisan news as the go-to for many Americans.

You should be listening better to me if you want to be smarter. No fake modesty on that. Sorry.

I WISH the media was more competitive than they are, but some things illuminate how lazy they truly are and how much it is like any little clique of business. There is no lazy intellectualism here. Knowing what I understand takes effort people don't put forth. Listen or shutup. Ain't nobody pretending why people vote isn't complex. We are talking about post-irony and this game being played. You are still acting like Hilary got elected and those old rules apply.

I may regret my bluntness on this, but not my message. For example: It's not undeserved trust, but wholesale mistrust that means select sources of news are inadequate. This pushed people to the edges. This is confounded by the built-in echo chambering via social media algos. Perfeclty smart people I know still think Trump deleted LBABC123QT page. It's not that right winger or trump voters are distinguished mentally-challenged, but that you're all distinguished mentally-challenged.

TYKKBIBI

PS: six beers and the nba, but I still operate at a higher level than most care to put forth. I'm a dork. I'm a nerd. But I out-think people constantly my whole life. It is what it is. Modesty is for the crown not the prole.

PPS: still fuck ipas

Since the subject was trolling and people thought they knew what was up, I wrote this giant over-the-top troll last night in response to see how many could recognize it and know to not respond.I tried to make it sudden and obvious, but it seems many really hadn't learned the trolling game enough.

But that's the point. See something like that and know better.

I also sent PD a message last night telling him I was doing this and would check it in the morning.

gg

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« Reply #2258 on: January 22, 2017, 10:28:44 AM »

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« Reply #2259 on: January 22, 2017, 10:38:06 AM »
It is what it is.

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« Reply #2260 on: January 22, 2017, 10:39:45 AM »
The press has incredibly low trust ratings. Business is not good if you're devolving into tabloids.

In the game being played, Trump only has to bring up his level of behavior when it suits him if the press can't set any higher standard themselves. If they don't even know the game being played, and I think we'd agree that they don't, then they'll never reach that point.
Oh for fuck sake. Seriously.

 The "press" is not some monolithic entity. You can't conflate CNN with NYTimes with the McClatchy company with PBS with BBC America with...you get the point. Cherry picking a handful of stories, then using that as "proof" and then going further and trying to attribute motive/causations of something from that is lazy intellectualism at its worst.

The causation of a drop in trust is not just what you want it to be because you think it is based on your framing. The cultural opinion of trust is like anything else, like in politics for example, its complex and multi-faceted and I would argue at least some component of it is likely the assault on the industry from partisan outlets and politicians(primarily from the right) that as a matter of strategy try to discredit the major news players as a way to funnel undeserved trust to their shitty hubs. Which has led to a rise in partisan news as the go-to for many Americans.

You should be listening better to me if you want to be smarter. No fake modesty on that. Sorry.

I WISH the media was more competitive than they are, but some things illuminate how lazy they truly are and how much it is like any little clique of business. There is no lazy intellectualism here. Knowing what I understand takes effort people don't put forth. Listen or shutup. Ain't nobody pretending why people vote isn't complex. We are talking about post-irony and this game being played. You are still acting like Hilary got elected and those old rules apply.

I may regret my bluntness on this, but not my message. For example: It's not undeserved trust, but wholesale mistrust that means select sources of news are inadequate. This pushed people to the edges. This is confounded by the built-in echo chambering via social media algos. Perfeclty smart people I know still think Trump deleted LBABC123QT page. It's not that right winger or trump voters are distinguished mentally-challenged, but that you're all distinguished mentally-challenged.

TYKKBIBI

PS: six beers and the nba, but I still operate at a higher level than most care to put forth. I'm a dork. I'm a nerd. But I out-think people constantly my whole life. It is what it is. Modesty is for the crown not the prole.

PPS: still fuck ipas

Since the subject was trolling and people thought they knew what was up, I wrote this giant over-the-top troll last night in response to see how many could recognize it and know to not respond.I tried to make it sudden and obvious, but it seems many really hadn't learned the trolling game enough.

But that's the point. See something like that and know better.

I also sent PD a message last night telling him I was doing this and would check it in the morning.

gg

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« Reply #2261 on: January 22, 2017, 10:42:04 AM »
yer forgiven

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« Reply #2262 on: January 22, 2017, 11:06:52 AM »
Sincerity wrapped in bait that is based on assumptions people are making about you? Oh, is this the fabled post-irony you keep bringing up? Wow, clever. :ohhh *

Look, the press is going to report on whatever the president says. Not because they're falling for his trickery, but because he's the president and people will, reliably, read those stories. Again, because he's president. Also, news at 11, low-brow journalism sells best, as evidenced by the success of tabloids and alternative 'news' sources, the latter of which people flock to because of cognitive dissonance and confirmation biases born of ignorance.

He's not trolling. We're not being taken. That is wishful thinking. He's a clueless narcissist who, thanks to the stars aligning, stumbled his way into a lot of responsibility. I'm starting to think you may be in denial. This is not the result of some clever ruse.

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*I always stumble over this shortcut. Three h? Wtf, Bork. >:(
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« Reply #2263 on: January 22, 2017, 11:23:02 AM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823174199036542980

PR team wrestle smartphone from POTUS : 2 injured
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« Reply #2264 on: January 22, 2017, 11:24:28 AM »
His campaign ran on trolling. I think that group of people would still be doing it. Whether Trump is sincerely butthurt or not doesn't matter. Of course, the press is going to talk about the President, but what they focus on is their choice.  Unless they don't learn to not get trolled, and then they rush to verify crowd attendance, which is meaningless.

I did the demonstration because I was kind of tired of repeating the point.

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« Reply #2265 on: January 22, 2017, 12:03:39 PM »
I did the demonstration because I was kind of tired of repeating the point.
You have to repeat it because it's not actually saying a whole lot. :doge
Mainstream media is gonna put profits first. It is what it is. You wouldn't see many people try to contradict you if that's what you were lamenting instead.

Are public broadcast services are largely irrelevant in the US? I'm asssume so, considering the couple of NPR podcasts I used to listen to had to beg for donations.

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« Reply #2266 on: January 22, 2017, 12:05:05 PM »
PS: six beers and the nba, but I still operate at a higher level than most care to put forth. I'm a dork. I'm a nerd. But I out-think people constantly my whole life. It is what it is. Modesty is for the crown not the prole.

This is like a monologue from a Neil Breen movie or something.

WILL WE SEE HIS BALLSACK ?  :oreilly

He has the best ballsack, but he knows that.

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« Reply #2267 on: January 22, 2017, 12:13:55 PM »
I did the demonstration because I was kind of tired of repeating the point.
You have to repeat it because it's not actually saying a whole lot. :doge
Mainstream media is gonna put profits first. It is what it is. You wouldn't see many people try to contradict you if that's what you were lamenting instead.

Are public broadcast services are largely irrelevant in the US? I'm asssume so, considering the couple of NPR podcasts I used to listen to had to beg for donations.

The media won't be able to have any strength in holding Trump accountable if they're playing his game of trolling. You can't be low-brow and tabloid as you say and then ask the people to respect you when you point the finger at others. The people will say, "weren't you just lying to me yesterday?" And they'd be right.

As for public systems. PBS Newshour is actually the one press outlet that is respectable enough to hold another accountable. At this point, its the only evening news I bother to watch. But I am pretty sure their ratings are terribly low.

Fox News, MSNBC, CNN and the Networks are full of muck. I think Jake Tapper does a good job for CNN, but the station as a whole has no high ground.
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« Reply #2268 on: January 22, 2017, 12:18:55 PM »
His campaign ran on trolling. I think that group of people would still be doing it. Whether Trump is sincerely butthurt or not doesn't matter. Of course, the press is going to talk about the President, but what they focus on is their choice.  Unless they don't learn to not get trolled, and then they rush to verify crowd attendance, which is meaningless.

I did the demonstration because I was kind of tired of repeating the point.
What point is that exactly lol?

You demonstrated how countering an unpopular opinion from an unpopular person using self aggrandizement trolling and lies leads to being more unpopular and more roundly loathed lol..And that does, what, exactly??

Other then continue this erosion of favorability and fracturing amongst his support base? Even his low IQ followers struggle rationalizing his bullshit when you have pictures.

Strategically, a few more shitshows like yesterday and Trump is gonna get Jimmy Carter'd by his own party imo.




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« Reply #2269 on: January 22, 2017, 12:24:21 PM »
I did the demonstration because I was kind of tired of repeating the point.
You have to repeat it because it's not actually saying a whole lot. :doge
Mainstream media is gonna put profits first. It is what it is. You wouldn't see many people try to contradict you if that's what you were lamenting instead.

Are public broadcast services are largely irrelevant in the US? I'm asssume so, considering the couple of NPR podcasts I used to listen to had to beg for donations.

Hitting while the iron's hot:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/business/media/nonprofit-journalism-groups-are-gearing-up-with-flood-of-donations.html?0p19G=c
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« Reply #2270 on: January 22, 2017, 12:34:39 PM »
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At one point, after the comedian John Oliver promoted the organization on his HBO show, ProPublica was receiving as many as four donations a minute.
HA!
How about them apples. :smug

The media won't be able to have any strength in holding Trump accountable if they're playing his game of trolling. You can't be low-brow and tabloid as you say and then ask the people to respect you when you point the finger at others. The people will say, "weren't you just lying to me yesterday?" And they'd be right.
It's no coincidence that Fox News' and Bill O'Reilly's audience skews older, from what I remember. For those people, that ship has already sailed. The younger generations will hopefully benefit from what's linked just above my post.
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« Reply #2271 on: January 22, 2017, 01:47:04 PM »
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In J.G. Ballard’s brilliant story Why I Want to Fuck Ronald Reagan, he mimics the language of a psychological case study to sink into the sexual undertones of mass-media politics: “Faces were seen as either circumcised (JFK, Khrushchev) or uncircumcised (LBJ, Adenauer). In assembly-kit tests Reagan’s face was uniformly perceived as a penile erection.” It’s hard to place Trump anywhere on this scale. We’re used to thinking of the man as an unrestrained male id, a vulgar explosion of infantile sexuality and adult braggadocio, a big, bleating, phallic presence—but he’s nothing of the sort. Watch him moan, see how he constantly kvetches, see that horrendous wet flap of a mouth pronounce its indignity. A queasy, quivering pile of folded flesh; walking gynaecomastia, hermaphrodite rage.

It’s all there in the undercurrents, the background, the forgotten textual detritus. The same day that the piss papers were leaked, another disturbing nugget of Trump-iana was plopped out in front of our collective gaze. Trump’s inauguration, Politico reporter Tara Palmeri informed us, would “have a ‘soft sensuality.’” Or a less famous segment from the famous pussy-grabbing tape, in which Trump describes a seduction strategy far more petulant and just as grim. “I did try to fuck her,” he says. “I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.”

Donald Trump is, to put it crudely, a soppy old bitch. Everything he dislikes is “nasty,” every time he doesn’t get what he wants it’s because of people who “aren’t very nice.” These are the politics of civility and decorum, petit-bourgeois manners refracted through his own particular neurosis. In his mannerisms, his gesticulating hands, his New York whine, Trump looks nothing like the conquering strongman of alt-right fantasy and liberal fears. He’s turned himself into a living caricature of a garrulous Jew, the mother from a Philip Roth novel. (His own mother, Mary Trump, ran away from the prim and chilly Scottish islands to marry a rich American; she wore, in her later years, an enormous curl of golden hair that looks exactly like Donald Trump’s own.)

https://thebaffler.com/blog/pissologies-kris#

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« Reply #2272 on: January 22, 2017, 02:40:52 PM »
PR team wrestle smartphone from POTUS : 2 injured
it's a joke (and tbh a funny one), but it just speaks to how people (not necessarily you chill) don't actually want to mend fences (same reactions on his twitter; albeit that's a horrible cross-section of society lol....or maybe the perfect cross-section..?)
it's much more fun to bitch and complain and virtue signal that you were at a rally than to actually reconcile anything
imagine if trump just came out tomorrow randomly in favor of planned parenthood and denounced pence's views on lgbt
the left would still be like "why did it take him this long!11?1??111"

ps. this one was funnier lol

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823150055418920960
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« Reply #2273 on: January 22, 2017, 04:34:03 PM »
The debt ceiling returns in March.  If we default it's going to be chaos.

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« Reply #2274 on: January 22, 2017, 04:58:03 PM »
It's no coincidence that Fox News' and Bill O'Reilly's audience skews older, from what I remember.
IIRC, all cable news skews older. Even MSNBC's highest ratings during Maddow, etc. are in the 65+ grouping.

But I wouldn't expect "millennials" (aka everyone under age 45) to sit and watch news programs anyway. Especially with the internet. John Oliver's show putting his extended segments on YouTube (not even only his shows website like the Daily Show) entirely gives it more traction than people watching the show probably ever would.

Regarding the discussion of the media's position writ large. There's this weird notion of journalism that has never been true or was only true for a short period and it's best illustrated in the arguments over games journalism. This notion that there's an objective single pipeline of information. When there's an inherent bias simply in what you choose to cover or not cover.

Most of journalism's history has been as a failed business, propped up like art by patrons. This arguably frees it from chasing "ratings" even if it may stick it closer to its patrons interests. And it's almost always been openly  biased. You can look at the names of newspapers in the United States and realize this as all sorts of them have Democrat or Republican in their names because they started as partisan journals that later became "objective" in their focus.

Most newspapers and media outlets didn't have full time D.C. bureau staffs until the 1980s. The seeming groupthink can stem simply from the social circles and access more than anything actively partisan. This Town depicts it not as something sinister that there's all these powers in the swamp secretly plotting but more of a factor that you know this guy who knows this guy when you need to talk to somebody about X for your story.

The Washington Post has long been considered the friendly paper to the Pentagon and CIA. It's probably no wonder that they were on the front lines of publishing faulty stories about the Russian hacking of power plants and PropOrNot without second guessing or bothering to check their sources.

The New York Times and other longtime media's open fretting about how they aren't oppositionial enough to Trump and then turning back after the election only to again reverse themselves in some kind of industry crisis says more about what they weren't doing that only the "shock" of Trump apparently has made them reassess. Especially as PD points out, all the endless fretting over Trump's refusal to follow some unspoken protocol being the crisis of everyday. Moving the daily press briefing (of which no news ever comes out of because it's a show done after the off the record briefing earlier) and including internet outlets is supposed to be something yoooge and just how unbelievable and how could he. The entire thing was originally created for easing the propaganda purposes of the White House ffs, that's all it ever does!

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« Reply #2275 on: January 22, 2017, 05:15:36 PM »
The debt ceiling returns in March.  If we default it's going to be chaos.
They will raise it and say they need time for their policies to go into effect.
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« Reply #2276 on: January 22, 2017, 05:52:58 PM »
There's this otherwise lousy book by some former Republican Congressional staffer who has seen the light and the GOP is the worst thing ever because Bush let it be taken over by radical libertarian anarchists, etc. You know the story. Anyway, he was in this position like 1980-2010. He notes that even into the 1990s when the GOP took control of Congress he had almost no contact with the press.

But around 2005ish, he wrote an op-ed or something on some topic before a committee in Congress for WaPo or WSJ or something and from then on he was constantly contacted by people in the press he'd never met asking about topics he knew nothing about. IIRC, he was a defense "expert" and they were calling for information on the financial crisis and Obamacare and so on.

The funny thing is that he saw this as a positive development, that the "new" media was now digging into stories harder but was being stymied by the rest of the government. When this was probably happening all over with all kinds of endless unnamed sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

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« Reply #2277 on: January 22, 2017, 05:54:43 PM »
I guess there's an argument that press briefings, however pointless, are a ritual. And symbols are not meaningless even if of little substance. It's also a highwater mark for press access and a tacit approval by government that they will take questions and not shut down outside observers.

But yeah the whole "fourth power" thing always sounded a bit hollow and self-aggrandizing. Though I guess it's rather an upside that journalists have internalized delusions of integrity and truthfulness, I'd say they are more likely to try to self-police.

The belief that press (or Hollywood, media and / or academics) are somehow a homogeneous micromanaged cabal will never not be funny.
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« Reply #2278 on: January 22, 2017, 06:00:48 PM »
I always like when some in the press fall back on that image as a defense of whatever fuck up just one outlet has done. During the rash of plagiarists/fabricated news following Jayson Blair and into Scott Beauchamp there was a lot of weird solidarity. With the Dan Rather thing too.

It's probably like how Bill Nye or Black Science Man are rushed to and asked to speak for all science. I see it in the university between departments and it's weird. Especially when everyone in the department already openly hates the fuckup.

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« Reply #2279 on: January 22, 2017, 06:08:02 PM »
Oh to be sure there's a shared culture and corporatism in all these.
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