US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Boredfrom]

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.

Newsfeed.

The US government and the shady fucks behind it are bad. 12:55 AM Friday April 13, 2018

Corporate media don't care about the truth 12:57 AM Friday April 13, 2018

Don't trust them you fucking morons 12:59 AM Friday April 13, 2018



I'll keep you updated.

I doubt anyone here trust the current US government you dumbass.

[benjipwns]

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.

why so angry and concerned then? just let capitalism and imperialism continue to expand unchecked until it's brought down by its inherent contradictions leading to true class consciousness and the state consequently withering away to leave a peaceful democratic society that produces without scarcity

or are you going to start questioning the laws of science too

[Optimus]

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.

why so angry and concerned then? just let capitalism and imperialism continue to expand unchecked until it's brought down by its inherent contradictions leading to true class consciousness and the state consequently withering away to leave a peaceful democratic society that produces without scarcity

or are you going to start questioning the laws of science too

I'll take my current collapse of capitalism with as few wars and mass casualties as possible please, thanks.

I doubt anyone here trust the current US government you dumbass.

This US "government" now seems to have completed its transformation into any US government of the last 3 decades, they even support TPP now. I wasn't talking about the Trump puppet show you distinguished mentally-challenged fellows are so obsessed with, I was talking about the US government behind that circus... dumbass.

[Nola]

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology. Maybe status quo media is a more self explanatory term for you? How about media controlled by the American ruling class?

Then god help this new left.


...Another question, how do you define the American ruling class?

I'm just trying to figure out how this works. When you come on here telling everyone the corporate media is working together to drive us to war in Syria, so stop being morons, what media are you specifically referring to? What sites are you scouring that drew you to these conclusions? Or are you just deferring that responsibility to people like Jimmy Dore who tell you what you clearly already think? Because I'll tell you, I read, listen, and to a lesser degree have been watching a lot of shit about Syria recently, and I can't discern any sort of common narrative or course of acton prescription.

[benjipwns]

I'll take my current collapse of capitalism with as few wars and mass casualties as possible please, thanks.

Your support of social fascism is delaying the working classes from achieving true revolutionary consciousness and instead making them passive and pampered and weak. Mass casualties of class traitors and counterrevolutionaries are of no concern to a revolutionary Vanguard.

[Optimus]

I'll take my current collapse of capitalism with as few wars and mass casualties as possible please, thanks.

Your support of social fascism is delaying the working classes from achieving true revolutionary consciousness and instead making them passive and pampered and weak. Mass casualties of class traitors and counterrevolutionaries are of no concern to a revolutionary Vanguard.

OK, I'll admit it, you're a master at trolling leftists.

[benjipwns]

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.

[Optimus]

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology. Maybe status quo media is a more self explanatory term for you? How about media controlled by the American ruling class?

Then god help this new left.


...Another question, how do you define the American ruling class?

I'm just trying to figure out how this works. When you come on here telling everyone the corporate media is working together to drive us to war in Syria, so stop being morons, what media are you specifically referring to? What sites are you scouring that drew you to these conclusions? Or are you just deferring that responsibility to people like Jimmy Dore who tell you what you clearly already think? Because I'll tell you, I read, listen, and to a lesser degree have been watching a lot of shit about Syria recently, and I can't discern any sort of common narrative or course of acton prescription.

I'll try to make it as short as possible.

The current American ruling class is an amalgamation of corporate interests sometimes opposing each other, most times uniting to screw the American middle class and almost always agreeing to start another war. On the very top of that ruling class is probably the fucking bankers, as per usual, who throughout history benefited greatly from war; the military industrial complex is somewhere up there too. You have to understand that these aren't individual entities completely separated from each other, the rich fucks who own corporate media also own property in the military industrial complex or the banks or the dozens other industries that benefit from war, the same industries that basically control the US government through legalized bribery.

So in case you wonder why corporate media so often repeat the US government narrative it's because they both have the same bosses.

[Optimus]

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.

k, let's assume some part of you isn't trolling.

Where exactly did I support social fascism? The Syrian middle class that will be absolutely decimated by American intervention like the Libyan one did aren't class traitors. Leftist ideology isn't as inflexible, absolute or judgmental as you make it seem, you're thinking of Stalinism.

[benjipwns]

Where exactly did I support social fascism? The Syrian middle class that will be absolutely decimated by American intervention like the Libyan one did aren't class traitors. Leftist ideology isn't as inflexible, absolute or judgmental as you make it seem, you're thinking of Stalinism.

REVISIONIST

[Boredfrom]

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.

why so angry and concerned then? just let capitalism and imperialism continue to expand unchecked until it's brought down by its inherent contradictions leading to true class consciousness and the state consequently withering away to leave a peaceful democratic society that produces without scarcity

or are you going to start questioning the laws of science too

I'll take my current collapse of capitalism with as few wars and mass casualties as possible please, thanks.

I doubt anyone here trust the current US government you dumbass.

This US "government" now seems to have completed its transformation into any US government of the last 3 decades, they even support TPP now. I wasn't talking about the Trump puppet show you distinguished mentally-challenged fellows are so obsessed with, I was talking about the US government behind that circus... dumbass.

METAL GEAR!?

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/984580216411574273

[benjipwns]

good thing Jack isn't around to see this:

Comey also says President Barack Obama reassured him after the election about his decision to send the letter about Clinton.

Comey writes that Obama sat alone with him in the Oval Office in late November and told him, “I picked you to be FBI director because of your integrity and your ability. I want you to know that nothing — nothing — has happened in the last year to change my view.”

On the verge of tears, Comey told Obama, “Boy, were those words I needed to hear . . . I’m just trying to do the right thing.”

“I know,” Obama said. “I know.”

[benjipwns]

House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Thursday that President Trump has broad authority to attack Syria, precluding the need for Congress to act beforehand.
 
“The existing AUMF gives him the authority he needs to do what he may or may not do,” Ryan said during a press briefing in the Capitol.
 
...

“Our members believe, as do I, that we need a new AUMF,” she told reporters in the Capitol, just moments before Ryan took the same podium to argue the opposite position.
 
Pelosi was among the many lawmakers who approved of missile strikes against a Syrian airfield in April 2017, which Trump initiated as a direct response to a deadly chemical attack on civilians days before. Outside of a similarly “proportionate” engagement, Pelosi said, Trump will need congressional approval.
 
“What he did last year was proportionate. They went in in the spring, they made a hit on a Russian facility, it was proportional. Anything beyond that, he will need a new authorization for the use of military force.”

ya know, it's high level nuance like this that gives the uneducated populace the false impression that Congress doesn't take their jobs seriously

[Nintex]

The Donald John Trump Presidency 

Thank you America, god bless. 

With the pardon news out all the bois are coming back to the yard to play

https://twitter.com/carterwpage/status/984746056507326469

[Optimus]

good thing Jack isn't around to see this:

Comey also says President Barack Obama reassured him after the election about his decision to send the letter about Clinton.

Comey writes that Obama sat alone with him in the Oval Office in late November and told him, “I picked you to be FBI director because of your integrity and your ability. I want you to know that nothing — nothing — has happened in the last year to change my view.”

On the verge of tears, Comey told Obama, “Boy, were those words I needed to hear . . . I’m just trying to do the right thing.”

“I know,” Obama said. “I know.”

The kiss that followed was passionate, expected but also slightly awkward given the circumstances. "Should we be doing this?" asked Comey, his voice trembling. "Trust me, I'm the President" Obama replied and he embraced him for a second even more passionate kiss. Comey felt something big pressing against his hip...

[Brehvolution]

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[Nintex]

Where's Waldo but Where's Kelly.

[Mandark]

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Yo, remember in 2009-10, when there were a bunch of angry demonstrations because of "the debt?" And some slanderous leftists said it was just old white people freaking out about a black president, but David Brooks explained that no, these were just people very concerned about a profligate federal government?

Boy, imagine how angry these people are going to be when they find out about this.

[TakingBackSunday]

looks like rosenstein is going to get fired today

beginning of the end

[Nintex]

"I don't know Mr. Libby"

"A very sad portion of his life"
 

[TakingBackSunday]

wouldn't it be funny if trump appoints libby in rosenstein's stead

[Nintex]

wouldn't it be funny if trump appoints libby in rosenstein's stead

That's what I was thinking too that Trump was going to get Cheney's bois back.
There aren't many talent pools left for Trump to hire people from and Bolton has all the names.

This is the part where the Joker releases the inmates from Arkham Asylum and has them run City Hall.


https://twitter.com/thehill/status/984846458070491136

T H E  N A T I O N  I S  U N D E R  A T T A C K

[kingv]

Rosenstein has said in recent private conversations that history will prove he did the right thing by firing Comey in May 2017, claiming that the American people do not have all the facts about what led to his decision to write the memo that led to Comey's dismissal, the sources said.

what's this mean

Rosenstein didn’t fire Comey. I saw a similar quote, but it was worded in a way that could be interpreted as meaning “I was right to fire Comey” (who he didn’t fire, nor did he have the authority to AFAIK) or it could be interpreted as “I was right in dealing with Comey, in general”

I believe it’s tge second, because it doesn’t really make sense that the deputy AG would fire Comey for cause and be right about it, and then immediately appoint a special prosecutor because Comey was fired.

[kingv]

Also, since Russia is so trustworthy, I wonder if Optimus is ready to join with them in condemning Britain for this awful attack on Syrian civilians.

[Mandark]

Rosenstein wrote a letter recommending Comey be fired based on how he handled the public side of the Clinton email investigation, which Trump's people tried to use as cover for the firing (saying that he was only doing this because of DoJ recommendations, nothing personal) until Trump basically went on TV and said "yeah it was cause of the Russia thing."

I'd imagine that's what he's referring to.

[Rufus]

Also, since Russia is so trustworthy, I wonder if Optimus is ready to join with them in condemning Britain for this awful attack on Syrian civilians.

I think Lavrov's comments today were that someone (maybe not UK) staged a "chemical attack" on the ex-spy. Russian investigative units are currently saying there was no chemical attack in Douma.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-ghouta-provocati/russias-military-uk-involved-in-syrian-gas-attack-provocation-idUSKBN1HK24P

[Nintex]

Also, since Russia is so trustworthy, I wonder if Optimus is ready to join with them in condemning Britain for this awful attack on Syrian civilians.

The Russians really overplayed their hand with that one.

The current government of the UK is pretty much useless and incompetent on every level.
To think that they would be able to set-off a chemical attack in the middle of an area covered by Russian and Syrian forces (and keep it a secret) is ludicrous.

It's like saying a kid in a wheelchair beat you up when you come home with bruises after a nights drinking.

[Brehvolution]

Nothing says payback for Russia's poisoning people on British soil like gassing civilians in Syria. 

[agrajag]

What does the UK have to gain by staging those attacks?

[Mandark]

I think Lavrov's comments today were that someone (maybe not UK) staged a "chemical attack" on the ex-spy. Russian investigative units are currently saying there was no chemical attack in Douma.

They're saying that it was a fake attack and Britain was directly involved.

So they predicted that rebels would use chlorine, which shows they had foreknowledge of this fake attack, which was in a different city and which (according to them) did not involve any chlorine, only crisis actors.

[Optimus]

Also, since Russia is so trustworthy, I wonder if Optimus is ready to join with them in condemning Britain for this awful attack on Syrian civilians.

The point I keep repeating to you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellows a million times is NOT that Russia is trustworthy, it's that the US isn't.

[Mandark]

The source of this story wasn't the US government though?

[TakingBackSunday]

Also, since Russia is so trustworthy, I wonder if Optimus is ready to join with them in condemning Britain for this awful attack on Syrian civilians.

The point I keep repeating to you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellows a million times is NOT that Russia is trustworthy, it's that the US isn't.

No one is fucking denying that you dweeb.  Literally SEVERAL times people say that the US isn't "trustworthy."

[Nola]

I think Lavrov's comments today were that someone (maybe not UK) staged a "chemical attack" on the ex-spy. Russian investigative units are currently saying there was no chemical attack in Douma.

They're saying that it was a fake attack and Britain was directly involved.

So they predicted that rebels would use chlorine, which shows they had foreknowledge of this fake attack, which was in a different city and which (according to them) did not involve any chlorine, only crisis actors.

Which is why we don’t actually need an investigation, and why Russia was kind enough to veto the fact finding mission. Those doctors and nurses that first reported these attacks when victims started pouring in sure are going to be relieved that those dead kids were just British crisis actors.

[Optimus]

Also, since Russia is so trustworthy, I wonder if Optimus is ready to join with them in condemning Britain for this awful attack on Syrian civilians.

The point I keep repeating to you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellows a million times is NOT that Russia is trustworthy, it's that the US isn't.

No one is fucking denying that you dweeb.  Literally SEVERAL times people say that the US isn't "trustworthy."

Is that why most of them are parroting the US narrative as if it's true?

[Nola]

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology. Maybe status quo media is a more self explanatory term for you? How about media controlled by the American ruling class?

Then god help this new left.


...Another question, how do you define the American ruling class?

I'm just trying to figure out how this works. When you come on here telling everyone the corporate media is working together to drive us to war in Syria, so stop being morons, what media are you specifically referring to? What sites are you scouring that drew you to these conclusions? Or are you just deferring that responsibility to people like Jimmy Dore who tell you what you clearly already think? Because I'll tell you, I read, listen, and to a lesser degree have been watching a lot of shit about Syria recently, and I can't discern any sort of common narrative or course of acton prescription.

I'll try to make it as short as possible.

The current American ruling class is an amalgamation of corporate interests sometimes opposing each other, most times uniting to screw the American middle class and almost always agreeing to start another war. On the very top of that ruling class is probably the fucking bankers, as per usual, who throughout history benefited greatly from war; the military industrial complex is somewhere up there too. You have to understand that these aren't individual entities completely separated from each other, the rich fucks who own corporate media also own property in the military industrial complex or the banks or the dozens other industries that benefit from war, the same industries that basically control the US government through legalized bribery.

So in case you wonder why corporate media so often repeat the US government narrative it's because they both have the same bosses.

The word “specific” seems to elude you.

Is all your logic this conspiratorial and circular?

I suspect I have my answer.

[Optimus]

"Oh shit a former commander is questioning the narrative, CUT HIM OFF, CUT HIM OFF"




Bubububububu Western mass media are independent and aren't pushing a pro-war narrative.

Gullible fucks.

[TakingBackSunday]

go back to infowars

[Optimus]

go back to infowars

Go back to CNN.

edit: The aforementioned video for the new page because I really enjoyed it:

[TakingBackSunday]

I don't watch CNN

[Optimus]

Is that why most of them are parroting the US narrative as if it's true?

Right now the US narrative is that the attack was consistent with previous chemical weapons attacks by Assad, that they're still in the process of verifying the information, and that there should be an independent fact finding mission. Which part of this narrative is questionable to you? For the record, here are the alternative narratives:
- There was no chemical attack and it was staged by the UK.

It's not consistent with shit. Syria is a clusterfuck of dozens of third parties all having chemical weapons in their possession including the CIA. The lying fucks still haven't even proved and admitted they couldn't prove that the attack last year was orchestrated by Assad. So, like I said, parroting the US narrative...

[Nola]

It's not consistent with shit. Syria is a clusterfuck of dozens of third parties all having chemical weapons in their possession including the CIA. The lying fucks still haven't even proved and admitted they couldn't prove that the attack last year was orchestrated by Assad. Like I said, parroting the US narrative...

They actually did prove that last year, courtesy of Reuters(or are they corporate media as well and I ned to find you a Russia Today source for less bias?):

Following is a timeline of investigations into Syria’s chemical weapons. 2013 - U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reach an agreement on the elimination of Syria’s chemical weapons.

- U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon establishes United Nations Mission to Investigate Allegations of the Use of Chemical Weapons in the Syrian Arab Republic. Headed by Swedish scientist Ake Sellstrom and comprised of experts from the World Health Organization and the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), it is tasked with looking into possible use of chemical weapons following reports of an attack in the northern town of Khan al-Assal. It confirms use of sarin in the Aug. 21 attack in the Damascus suburb Ghouta that killed hundreds.

- OPCW establishes a fact-finding mission in response to persistent allegations of chemical weapon attacks in Syria, “to establish facts surrounding allegations of the use of toxic chemicals, reportedly chlorine, for hostile purposes in the Syrian Arab Republic.” The mission concludes the use of chlorine was systematic and widespread. It is not tasked with assigning blame.

- 2015 - United Nations-OPCW Joint Investigative Mechanism in Syria is established to identify individuals or entities behind chemical weapons attacks.

- 2016 - U.N.-OPCW Joint Investigative Mechanism concludes that Syrian government forces used chlorine as a chemical weapon in three cases and that Islamic State militants used sulphur mustard.

- OPCW executive council adopts decision condemning Syrian government and Islamic State for chemical weapons use after a vote that split the body and signaled an end to U.S.-Russia cooperation.

- 2017 - OPCW fact-finding mission concludes that sarin was used in an April 4 attack in the Khan Sheikhoun area of northern Syria, the most deadly use of the nerve agent in three years. It does not assign blame.

- The Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad is blamed by the Joint Investigative Mechanism for the sarin attack on opposition-held Khan Sheikhoun that killed dozens of people.

Now guess what Russia did next?

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- Russia casts a veto at the U.N. Security Council preventing the renewal of the mandate for the Joint Investigative Mechanism. The investigation ends in November 2017 after Russia repeatedly blocks attempts at renewal.

What did this do? Well it veto'd the ability to assign blame in future occurrences. Quite the thing to want to get rid of if you are just the victim of nothing but false flags and misattributed rebel usage as they like to always claim.

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A year later and now we have Russia trying to shut down fact-finding missions period. Quite the turnaround. Which once again bends the logic of an innocent party.

So lets sum this up. Russia comes to the table late in Obama's tenure on a joint agreement to dismantle Assad's chemical weapons cache. Which Russia initially goes along with. Turns out Assad doesn't get rid of their caches, they end up using chemical weapons in additional attacks. When the OPCW finds evidence of this Russia responds by vetoing the arm of the investigations with the ability to assign blame. Another major use of chemical weapons is reported in 2018 in a way that draws international attention. We get reports from NGO's, medical workers, and various people about signs of another chemical attack again. What does Russia do to get to the bottom of this? Russia vetos a fact-finding mission that would attempt to get to the truth.

Since that didn't work I see Russia is now trying to undermine the story of the first responders by claiming they have alternative evidence(which of course they never offer up). I know you hate the US and can't see past it to grasp that other countries are capable of just as much and far worse at times, but the evidence and very simple reasoning is clearly pointing us in one direction here.

[I'm a Puppy!]

go back to infowars

Go back to CNN.

edit: The aforementioned video for the new page because I really enjoyed it:

Oooh are we just randomly reposting videos we like?

[kingv]

Rosenstein wrote a letter recommending Comey be fired based on how he handled the public side of the Clinton email investigation, which Trump's people tried to use as cover for the firing (saying that he was only doing this because of DoJ recommendations, nothing personal) until Trump basically went on TV and said "yeah it was cause of the Russia thing."

I'd imagine that's what he's referring to.

I don’t think the Rosenstein letter actually recommended anything specific. It just said that such and such was problematic that James Comey did.

[Nola]

Looks like the SDNY is going in raw on Cohen, with good cause it seems:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjrc0a8os0z4lr9/file0.99741564671616.pdf?dl=0

TLDR: There are some gems in here: specifically, the feds allege that Trump is pretty much his only client, he barely practices law(so they push back on the extent of which he deserves attorney/client privilege), his email has been under covert surveillance for a period of time prior to the warrants being served, this referral likely came months ago, Cohen was probably deleting evidence.


Also this:
https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/984838692937269249

[Great Rumbler]

go back to infowars

Go back to CNN.

I get my news from Talking Points Memo, thank you very much!

[TakingBackSunday]

https://twitter.com/RogueNASA/status/984884251823951873

[agrajag]

Cohen is that shitty lawyer from Arrested Development

[Mandark]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-seeks-large-strike-in-syria-mattis-urges-caution-1523651589

WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump is prodding his military advisers to agree to a more sweeping retaliatory strike in Syria than they consider prudent, and is unhappy with the more limited options they have presented to him so far, White House and other administration officials said.

In meetings with Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, Mr. Trump has been pushing for an attack that not only would punish the Syrian regime but also exact a price from two of its international patrons, Russia and Iran, a White House official said.

“He wants Mattis to push the limits a little bit more,” the official said.

Mr. Mattis has resisted, worried that the administration lacks a broader strategy in Syria and that military strikes could trigger a dangerous clash with Russia and Iran, U.S. officials said.

Over the past two days, the Pentagon has had two opportunities to launch attacks against Syria in reprisal for a suspected chemical weapons attack, but Mr. Mattis halted them, according to U.S. and defense officials.

The military had scheduled potential windows for the strikes, including one Thursday night, the U.S. and defense officials said. Mr. Mattis canceled them out of concerns that anything other than a “show strike” risked broader escalation with the Russians in particular, these defense officials said.

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Rosenstein wrote a letter recommending Comey be fired based on how he handled the public side of the Clinton email investigation, which Trump's people tried to use as cover for the firing (saying that he was only doing this because of DoJ recommendations, nothing personal) until Trump basically went on TV and said "yeah it was cause of the Russia thing."

I'd imagine that's what he's referring to.

Would it be too on the nose if the writers had Sessions or someone justify firing Rosenstein on the grounds that he was unfair to Comey?

[agrajag]

Trump should resign for being unfair to McCabe. Andy is a good man that's been treated very unfairly. Frankly, it's a travesty, our country is under attack. Sad!

 

[Joe Molotov]

Trump should resign for being unfair to McCabe. Andy is a good man that's been treated very unfairly. Frankly, it's a travesty, our country is under attack. Sad!

 

HE LIED! LIED! LIED! LIED! LIED! LIED!

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LIED!

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[Mandark]

Would it be too on the nose if the writers had Sessions or someone justify firing Rosenstein on the grounds that he was unfair to Comey?

A British political reporter coined The Banter Heuristic to describe Brexit: the funniest outcome will always happen.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/McClatchyDC/status/984927757858721793

Meanwhile we're all going die
http://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/984930359006695424

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/984934036782157824
 

[agrajag]

not enough adults in the room

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/984939176461205504

All the adults are fired.

[Great Rumbler]

not enough adults in the room

There were never any adults in the room, just a few slightly older children.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/984952763489619968

 

https://twitter.com/JoeRTabet/status/984953458485809152


Prepare for WAR bois

http://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/984952518944935941


https://twitter.com/MikevWUSA/status/984955767827681281

It took Bolton just a week. You got to admire someone that's follows his passion.

[agrajag]

whew, good thing Killary the warmonger didn't get elected right boys