US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[kingv]

TIL wen Disney starts Civil Rights Movement 2 with black panther, but also has pays for a show featuring Roseanne, who makes twitter jokes about Black people being monkeys.

[Brehvolution]

https://twitter.com/the_irishpsycho/status/1001209207184556032

[agrajag]

 they were saying

"Boouliani, Boouliani!"

[Steve Contra]

Roseanne cancelled

[Nola]

A Donald Trump tweet from January 2017 gets sucked through a worm hole and posted today.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1001455721588969472

Speaking of doing a great job....

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1001472575568920576

[Nola]

TIL wen Disney starts Civil Rights Movement 2 with black panther, but also has pays for a show featuring Roseanne, who makes twitter jokes about Black people being monkeys.

Not anymore they don’t


https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1001525419093315584

Now to wait and hear from our resident racism experts Assimilate and Optimus to see how not racist and unfair the corporate media was to the martyr Roseanne just expressing her first amendment rights.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Roseanne cancelled

Lol, of all the ways to go. How long till Trump tries to intervene?

[Nola]

A Donald Trump tweet from January 2017 gets sucked through a worm hole and posted today.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1001455721588969472

Speaking of doing a great job....

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1001472575568920576

Don’t normally do this but I think this is pretty important and so I’m not letting it die at the bottom of the last page.

[agrajag]

what she say?

[Boredfrom]

I imagine that the production of that show were not thrilled of being associated with her even if the show was successful (specially since the show seems to be quite progressive leaning).

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Kris, she's right about Soros. He wants to turn my town into a war zone.

https://sacramentounderattack.com/

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[Great Rumbler]

lol get your jimmies rustled by george soros in 2018

[Rufus]

lol get your jimmies rustled by george soros in 2018

The Hungarian right has a big hate boner for him.

[Brehvolution]

https://twitter.com/molly_knight/status/1001492802889441281

 

[Nintex]

Roseanne cancelled

Lol, of all the ways to go. How long till Trump tries to intervene?

He tweeted today he has to focus now.

[Mandark]

Eric Greitens resigning.

[benjipwns]

Speaking of doing a great job....

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1001472575568920576

Don’t normally do this but I think this is pretty important and so I’m not letting it die at the bottom of the last page.

he has the biggest, the yoogest hurricanes

[Joe Molotov]

Eric Greitens resigning.

George Soros has been busy today.

[Joe Molotov]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/diane-black-porn-school-gun-violence_us_5b0d6634e4b0568a880ede65?19

“It’s available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store. Yeah, you have to reach up to get it, but there’s pornography there,” she continued. “All of this is available without parental guidance. I think that is a big part of the root cause.”

Need some porn to get your murder boner up? Just go to the grocery store! Yeah, that's how kids are getting porn these the days. The grocery store.   

[team filler]

diane blacked 

[zomgee]

Starbucks sensitivity day really paid off.

[Assimilate]

TIL wen Disney starts Civil Rights Movement 2 with black panther, but also has pays for a show featuring Roseanne, who makes twitter jokes about Black people being monkeys.

Not anymore they don’t


https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1001525419093315584

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!

The Gods of Fuckery smile upon us.

What's her angle? her show was doing great, she was making money, why be so crazy now? Is this some form of doubling down where she think she'll make even more money now totally pandering to the crazies?

Seems a bit much, even for her.

[benjipwns]

What's her angle? her show was doing great, she was making money, why be so crazy now? Is this some form of doubling down where she think she'll make even more money now totally pandering to the crazies?

Seems a bit much, even for her.

I see you have just learned about Roseanne Barr this weekend.

[Assimilate]

What's her angle? her show was doing great, she was making money, why be so crazy now? Is this some form of doubling down where she think she'll make even more money now totally pandering to the crazies?

Seems a bit much, even for her.

I see you have just learned about Roseanne Barr this weekend.

Sure, but now she had a lot more to lose.

[Mandark]

The woman who thinks Obama did the Boston Marathon bombing got out of control on social media. Surely this is part of some savvy plan, if only we knew what...

[Assimilate]

The woman who thinks Obama did the Boston Marathon bombing got out of control on social media. Surely this is part of some savvy plan, if only we knew what...

she has said that before?

I really only remember her from the 90s. Never cared nor followed anything about her until she popped back up recently out of fucking nowhere

 

[Mandark]

9/11 truther too. Into QAnon stuff now. She's been deep into that shit for a while.

[Mandark]

Pre-streaming era syndication money, man.

[benjipwns]

Sure, but now she had a lot more to lose.

Well yes, this is true in the sense that she had a 13 episode order for a midseason broadcast sitcom now. Whereas two years ago when she tweeted constantly about Pizzagate she only had an tentative agreement to explore an eight episode order for a one-time revival celebrating the shows 30th anniversary.

Really, the conspiratorial angle to take would be if ABC was milking Roseanne's well known insanity to promote the show to make up for the diminished returns that the "tenth" season would have brought. Especially considering the marketing of the revival's premiere back in March that leaned so heavily on her character copying her real life Trump support.

[Assimilate]

Sure, but now she had a lot more to lose.

Well yes, this is true in the sense that she had a 13 episode order for a midseason broadcast sitcom now. Whereas two years ago when she tweeted constantly about Pizzagate she only had an tentative agreement to explore an eight episode order for a one-time revival celebrating the shows 30th anniversary.

Really, the conspiratorial angle to take would be if ABC was milking Roseanne's well known insanity to promote the show to make up for the diminished returns that the "tenth" season would have brought. Especially considering the marketing of the revival's premiere back in March that leaned so heavily on her character copying her real life Trump support.

It's not a conspiratorial angle, it's more like she got it why blow it?

You're relevant now, you have this huge show, people are talking about you. The thing every single person in the entertainment industry wants and then you make it go POOF? I'm going to assume she didn't think she was going all that far considering she has said worse things in the past.

Being a comedian she probably didn't put much thought into the possible blowback and blurted it out.

[benjipwns]

It was already well known that the others involved, including just as key players like John Goodman, were doing the revival if necessary on a personal level despite Barr herself because of what they felt the show represented and thought it would be fun to revisit 30 years later and so on. Barr was important mainly because she's the main character. Everybody was putting everything aside to "do the art" for a short period and move on. When it was a surprise hit they figured they might as well do another set to hit a full season and then call it a day. (9+13 = 22, which is a normal broadcast season size.)

I really doubt anyone involved was looking at this as more than something they'd be done with this year anyway. And I mentioned it in the TV thread but Barr was already starting rumblings about new salary demands that would have done more to stop any further seasons than literally anything she could probably tweet. (Not to mention they would have had to start paying Goodman and everyone else more, since they were taking cuts or even scale.)

There's also no way the "tenth" season was going to do the same ratings. From the premiere to the last episode, which was only a few weeks, half the audience abandoned the show. It wasn't feasible at normal broadcast sitcom ratings.

[benjipwns]

Don't look at it as Barr blowing it, look at it as ABC going "hey, here's a good opportunity to get out of this thing we shouldn't have hastily agreed to." Or someone like Wanda Sykes and the other writers (who quit over it) going "yeah, good example of why it's not worth it."

[Nola]

A new study, however, suggests that the main threat to our democracy may not be the hardening of political ideology, but rather the hardening of one particular political ideology. Political scientists Steven V. Miller of Clemson and Nicholas T. Davis of Texas A&M have released a working paper titled "White Outgroup Intolerance and Declining Support for American Democracy." Their study finds a correlation between white American's intolerance, and support for authoritarian rule. In other words, when intolerant white people fear democracy may benefit marginalized people, they abandon their commitment to democracy.

Using World Values Surveys from 1995 to 2011, we find that intolerance toward cultural, ethnic, or racial ‘others’ reduces the value that white Americans assign to democracy. Perhaps more troubling, these attitudes also increase white individuals’ openness to undemocratic alternatives – white Americans who exhibit social intolerance are more likely to dismiss the value of separation of powers and to support army rule.

http://svmiller.com/research/white-outgroup-intolerance-democratic-support/

If only liberals would abandon civil rights and giving minorities and marginalized groups rights and benefits these Republicans wouldn't elect Trump and open up their minds to tearing down our democratic-republic to stop them.

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Honestly shouldn't be shocking though, unless you are in the Peterson crowd, but its not like that crowd has ever been realistically weighing things anyways.

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[benjipwns]

oh god worlds colliding again

[benjipwns]

not surprised lieberals wouldn't care about democracy enough to realize we could simply remove the target of the intolerance to a safer location, ideally far away and out of sight

[Optimus]

A new study, however, suggests that the main threat to our democracy may not be the hardening of political ideology, but rather the hardening of one particular political ideology. Political scientists Steven V. Miller of Clemson and Nicholas T. Davis of Texas A&M have released a working paper titled "White Outgroup Intolerance and Declining Support for American Democracy." Their study finds a correlation between white American's intolerance, and support for authoritarian rule. In other words, when intolerant white people fear democracy may benefit marginalized people, they abandon their commitment to democracy.

Using World Values Surveys from 1995 to 2011, we find that intolerance toward cultural, ethnic, or racial ‘others’ reduces the value that white Americans assign to democracy. Perhaps more troubling, these attitudes also increase white individuals’ openness to undemocratic alternatives – white Americans who exhibit social intolerance are more likely to dismiss the value of separation of powers and to support army rule.

http://svmiller.com/research/white-outgroup-intolerance-democratic-support/

If only liberals would abandon civil rights and giving minorities and marginalized groups rights and benefits these Republicans wouldn't elect Trump and open up their minds to tearing down our democratic-republic to stop them.

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Honestly shouldn't be shocking though, unless you are in the Peterson crowd, but its not like that crowd has ever been realistically weighing things anyways.

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So this is what Optimus meant by Identity PoliticsTM

Yes that's what I meant. The two nutjob idpol sides are feeding each other more than ever before and they're both authoritarian.

[curly]

A new study, however, suggests that the main threat to our democracy may not be the hardening of political ideology, but rather the hardening of one particular political ideology.

Yes that's what I meant. The two nutjob idpol sides are feeding each other more than ever before and they're both authoritarian.

 

I mean we did have a Civil War at one point but yeah this is probably the high point of American sectarianism

[benjipwns]

so how many "idpol sides" are there? and which ones aren't the "two nutjob" ones? i want to be one of those (although i don't have a political tribe as i am anti-nonsense and anti-bullshit)

from the above data* i'll have to conclude the "two nutjob idpol sides" are:
1. social studies warriors
b. white Americans

*as i haven't read the strongly anti-Kobe and anti-Laker Dr.'s paper (i may mention this fact purely in an attempt to test introducing a subtle bias into Jack against him)

[Optimus]

A new study, however, suggests that the main threat to our democracy may not be the hardening of political ideology, but rather the hardening of one particular political ideology.

Yes that's what I meant. The two nutjob idpol sides are feeding each other more than ever before and they're both authoritarian.

 

I mean we did have a Civil War at one point but yeah this is probably the high point of American sectarianism

He asked if that's the idpol I was talking about. I replied that yes, this is one of them.

[curly]

You don't see how this paper, which identifies one group in particular as favoring their own interests over democratic governance, is at odds with your thesis that there two symmetrical sides are at fault here?

Or how, from a historical perspective, your labeling our era as a high point of identity politics is grossly ignorant of American history? White supremacism predates the founding of the nation, let alone Tumblr.

[Optimus]

You don't see how this paper, which identifies one group in particular as favoring their own interests over democratic governance, is at odds with your thesis that there two symmetrical sides are at fault here?

Or how, from a historical perspective, your labeling our era as a high point of identity politics is grossly ignorant of American history? White supremacism predates the founding of the nation, let alone Tumblr.

From I what I gather from reading the abstract it seems that the paper focuses only on one nutjob side and its authoritarianism. So when someone asks if this the idpol I'm talking about my reply is, sure, yes, one of them.

[benjipwns]

after reading it, that article Nola quoted is actually a really weird* description of the paper's study and even more so the conclusion, especially as the:

In other words, when intolerant white people fear democracy may benefit marginalized people, they abandon their commitment to democracy.

is literally not a single part of the hypothesis or model, it's not even possible to discern from any of the variables doubly so as steve** made them all binary as a single set not a time series...and the proxy independent is the same as in all the WVS studies, it asks if you want the type of person as a neighbor...

in other words, where exactly did you get this from as a description of the paper's findings, not this "new study" certainly because it's regular ol Robert fucking Dahl dude

and this:

Ethnic cleansing is impossible as long as marginalized people have enough votes to stop it. But this roadblock disappears if you get rid of democracy. Spencer understands that white rule in the current era essentially requires totalitarianism. That's the logic of fascism.

is like what even please stop i'd rather read your wonder woman bondage thing*** why are you trying to write about this instead

also would be (not really) interested to hear steve's version of what exactly he was talking to berlatsky about in the e-mail that's quoted from in the article as i'm not entirely sure what most of it has to do exactly with the "new study"

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*"Local Man Reads Popular Corporate Media Article About Scholarly Paper In His Field"
**and Nicholas T. Davis of Texas A&M (A SUPPORTER OF THE HOLODOMOR, HE WRITES IN JACOBIN: https://jacobinmag.com/2018/02/public-opinion-democracy-authoritarianism-populism-trump)
***Noah Berlatsky is a freelance writer. He edits the online comics-and-culture website The Hooded Utilitarian and is the author of the book "Wonder Woman: Bondage and Feminism in the Marston/Peter Comics, 1941-1948."

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[benjipwns]

You don't see how this paper, which identifies one group in particular as favoring their own interests over democratic governance, is at odds with your thesis that there two symmetrical sides are at fault here?

It doesn't actually do that, that's the freelancer for NBC. The paper just says that the less white Americans want to live by certain minority groups, the more likely they are to think democracy isn't that big of deal and would be okay with the army ruling or a strongman. (White woman favor democracy less and prefer army rule more than white men. But white men prefer STRONG MEN more than white woman do. :phil)

It doesn't even bother with "finding a correlation" like Berlatsky wrote because... "Local Man blah blah" (basically they're binary variables, they will inherently correlate...or somebody really fucked up somewhere)

[benjipwns]

it uses the same World Values Survey that everyone's been using the neighbor question as a proxy for whatever they want since 2014, the paper's conclusion actually kinda says "holy shit this is worthless for non-comparative why is everyone using it for solely American studies? can't anyone do a simple survey in America?"

here's what white people most and least like to live near btw:



never knew so many people hate living next to people who take medication regularly, often multiple times a day

[benjipwns]

also, you'd think "emotionally unstable people" wouldn't get such leeway but

[curly]

You don't see how this paper, which identifies one group in particular as favoring their own interests over democratic governance, is at odds with your thesis that there two symmetrical sides are at fault here?

Or how, from a historical perspective, your labeling our era as a high point of identity politics is grossly ignorant of American history? White supremacism predates the founding of the nation, let alone Tumblr.

From I what I gather from reading the abstract it seems that the paper focuses only on one nutjob side and its authoritarianism. So when someone asks if this the idpol I'm talking about my reply is, sure, yes, one of them.

OK, so who are these two nutjob sides. One is white supremacists. That's easy. You can trace that lineage back to the beginning of American history. The President is on that side, alongside Fox News, Roseanne Barr, etc. That's Jim Crow, the Klan, slavery, the Know-Nothings, Indian Reservations, and on and on.

The other is....social justice warriors? Who is their leader? Hillary Clinton? She was the candidate of the "white working class" in 2008, her turn to the rhetoric of social justice was transparently phony to anyone who had followed her political career. Barack Obama? He spent practically his whole first term trying to find a Republican that would like him and his entire presidency trying to convince your average Fox news voter that he wasn't a member of Nation of Islam. What's their media, MSNBC? That's your typical partisan press. Who is their rank and file? Your average member of the #Resistance cares a million times more about Russia than microaggressions or intersectionality. This tendency exists almost entirely on college campuses, right wing media, and the internet--and I have a strong suspicion that virtually all of your knowledge of American society and culture comes from the internet. What historical current do they represent? "Social justice" would imply they are continuing the legacy of the Civil Rights movement, the suffragettes, the abolitionists, etc, but I doubt you would agree because those are generally agreed to be good things.

When you actually situate these "sides" historically, it's obvious that they aren't equivalent, that one is deeply rooted in the national identity and the other falls apart as a concept the moment you start picking at it.

[curly]

You don't see how this paper, which identifies one group in particular as favoring their own interests over democratic governance, is at odds with your thesis that there two symmetrical sides are at fault here?

It doesn't actually do that, that's the freelancer for NBC. The paper just says that the less white Americans want to live by certain minority groups, the more likely they are to think democracy isn't that big of deal and would be okay with the army ruling or a strongman. (White woman favor democracy less and prefer army rule more than white men. But white men prefer STRONG MEN more than white woman do. )

It doesn't even bother with "finding a correlation" like Berlatsky wrote because... "Local Man blah blah" (basically they're binary variables, they will inherently correlate...or somebody really fucked up somewhere)

I should have known better than to take Berlatsky's word on anything

[benjipwns]

wow they get even better:

"This is the liberalism of the 9- year-old sticking fingers in his ears and saying: nah-nah-nah-nah-nah. Anyone still wondering how Donald Trump became president need look no further."--Bret Stephens
 
"You're not funny. You're a bad Jew." --Jonathan Kay
   
"I don't know who Noah Berlatsky is but he seems like a big dork to me." --random irritated tweeter.

[benjipwns]

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well, i might as well order "new" if there's no price difference and enjoy that fresh ink and paper smell

[benjipwns]

while we're on the subject, optimus, i feel your rants could use some of this amazon reviewers style and variety:

Have you, too, suffered under the crushing weight of some blowhard discrediting Leftists with his very (and very thinkpiece-ey) existence? You cannot unhinge your jaw and swallow their entire Twitter feed whole, purifying the world of its hot takes, but CHANCES ARE Berlatsky dunks on the idiot in question in this excellent book, and you can derive some vicarious satisfaction from that. Pull up a chair, crumple up some shitty Op-Eds and make baskets with 'em in the circular file, and warm the seething black coal you call a heart by reading Chattering Class War until you're delighted enough to forget, for one glorious moment, various emoji and their baleful signifieds.

[benjipwns]

oh wait, this is the guy who got upset with Chapo Trap House for making fun of Wonder Woman or something

edit: guess it's punching down? wonder woman is just tangentially related in some way https://www.patreon.com/posts/chapo-traphouse-13214759

The Wonder Woman podcast spends a good bit of time mocking Gal Gadot's accent; the hosts even compare her to Arnold Schwarzenegger, because he also has an accent, get it? They go after Sonny Bunch not just because he is a conservative who says stupid shit, but because he is fat and looks funny. And Chapo is notorious for sneering at autistic people, The podcast's humor targets the different in numerous ways. That is considered "irreverence" and "honesty." Accents are funny. Feminism is a crock. Fat people and autistic people are ludicrous. Join us, alt right brothers; we'll all be cool kids together in a socialist utopia, where no elitists will stop us from spitting on the self-pitying marginalized folks who are oppressing us.

I'm sure Chapo and its fans will be displeased at the suggestion that they are in any way Clintonian. To be fair,  it's worth pointing out that the Clinton administration were centrist squishes on economic issues and on intervention, not just on the treatment of marginalized people. And Chapo has on occasion repudiated their own worst excesses. Last week Felix Biederman, one of the hosts, apologized for mocking rape victims on social media, as well as for using homophobic terms like "cocksucker" to taunt critics. (Update: Melissa McEwan, the woman Biederman attacked, has said on twitter that he has made no effort to contact her personally, claimed she had blocked him when she had not, and that she believes his apology is inadequate.)

Not mocking rape victims is a good first step for Biederman and Chapo. Ultimately, though, a left podcast, in my view, needs to recognize that marginalized people are oppressed, and commit itself to fighting that oppression, rather than dismissing it in order to score points with Trump voters, or the alt right, or regressive bigots by whatever name. Chapo makes a fine case that Wonder Woman is a bad, imperialist film. But when it presents feminist desire for representation as ridiculous, and sneers at women hungry for heroes, it isn't showing a commitment to honesty and irreverence. It's triangulating.

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And of course the Alt right likes to say that they are irreverent and honest about feminism, and about "identity politics" in general. That irreverence and honesty mostly consists of saying that women and black people, as women and black people, are not actually oppressed, and that the claim that they are is just a way to oppress white people. Chapo varies the formula slightly; they say that identity politics are a distraction from class oppression. Chapo is a "viable alternative" to the Alt right because they do not challenge the central ideological commitment of the alt right—that commitment being hatred of marginalized people.

etoliate/assimilate/optimus/chapo/clintonianism

[Optimus]

while we're on the subject, optimus, i feel your rants could use some of this amazon reviewers style and variety:

Have you, too, suffered under the crushing weight of some blowhard discrediting Leftists with his very (and very thinkpiece-ey) existence? You cannot unhinge your jaw and swallow their entire Twitter feed whole, purifying the world of its hot takes, but CHANCES ARE Berlatsky dunks on the idiot in question in this excellent book, and you can derive some vicarious satisfaction from that. Pull up a chair, crumple up some shitty Op-Eds and make baskets with 'em in the circular file, and warm the seething black coal you call a heart by reading Chattering Class War until you're delighted enough to forget, for one glorious moment, various emoji and their baleful signifieds.

Sounds too pretentious for my style but I like his commanding tone in the last sentence. I'll take it into consideration and do what I can with it.

[benjipwns]

Noah Berlatsky
I'm not super eager to listen to more. I don't like the podcast format, and given the amount of money they make, I find their lack of preparation and general half-assedness annoying.

i think i looked at the comments and somehow wound up in the old GAF Giant Bomb thread?

[benjipwns]

Tiernan Quantrill
You seem willing to concede that Wonder Woman is imperialist/Israeli propaganda (at least in its movie form), but simultaneously that it is feminist. Since 2.2 million women live in Palestine, isn't this viewpoint invalidated?

[VomKriege]

Tiernan Quantrill
You seem willing to concede that Wonder Woman is imperialist/Israeli propaganda (at least in its movie form), but simultaneously that it is feminist. Since 2.2 million women live in Palestine, isn't this viewpoint invalidated?

at all the statements there (except maybe it has some value for feminism).

[benjipwns]

This book is timely and fascinating. Berlatsky turns contrarianism into a vital public service.

wow, just like me

[Nola]

after reading it, that article Nola quoted is actually a really weird* description of the paper's study and even more so the conclusion, especially as the:

In other words, when intolerant white people fear democracy may benefit marginalized people, they abandon their commitment to democracy.

is literally not a single part of the hypothesis or model, it's not even possible to discern from any of the variables doubly so as steve** made them all binary as a single set not a time series...and the proxy independent is the same as in all the WVS studies, it asks if you want the type of person as a neighbor...

in other words, where exactly did you get this from as a description of the paper's findings, not this "new study" certainly because it's regular ol Robert fucking Dahl dude

and this:

Ethnic cleansing is impossible as long as marginalized people have enough votes to stop it. But this roadblock disappears if you get rid of democracy. Spencer understands that white rule in the current era essentially requires totalitarianism. That's the logic of fascism.

is like what even please stop i'd rather read your wonder woman bondage thing*** why are you trying to write about this instead

also would be (not really) interested to hear steve's version of what exactly he was talking to berlatsky about in the e-mail that's quoted from in the article as i'm not entirely sure what most of it has to do exactly with the "new study"

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*"Local Man Reads Popular Corporate Media Article About Scholarly Paper In His Field"
**and Nicholas T. Davis of Texas A&M (A SUPPORTER OF THE HOLODOMOR, HE WRITES IN JACOBIN: https://jacobinmag.com/2018/02/public-opinion-democracy-authoritarianism-populism-trump)
***Noah Berlatsky is a freelance writer. He edits the online comics-and-culture website The Hooded Utilitarian and is the author of the book "Wonder Woman: Bondage and Feminism in the Marston/Peter Comics, 1941-1948."

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For the record I only quoted that part because of its lead in sentence being more clear than quoting the study, and it was the NY Times that actually brought my attention. I didn’t even read the full NBC article.

This isn’t the first paper to find these sorts of connections or conclusions. People are incredibly tribal and we have known about this since the well covered ground on the minimal group paradigm. And amongst those with the most powerful activators of that are negative views on race and religion.
 
There is a wealth of work that comes to fairly similar conclusions about how minority prejudice lends itself to overriding democratic idealism, and that is because fear and hate of out-groups is one of the most powerful overriding identities. And history is also a really clear guide to this dynamic as well.

[Mandark]

I have a strong suspicion that virtually all of your knowledge of American society and culture comes from the internet. What historical current do they represent? "Social justice" would imply they are continuing the legacy of the Civil Rights movement, the suffragettes, the abolitionists, etc, but I doubt you would agree because those are generally agreed to be good things.

Was going to make just that point: Those of us who are excessively Online tend to mistake our experiences for reality. So I get how it would feel to someone that performatively woke tumblr kids and the alt right are the two predominant forces duking it out in American politics, or even that the latter is mostly a reaction against the former.

But zoom out even a bit and it all falls apart.

[benjipwns]

For the record I only quoted that part because of its lead in sentence being more clear than quoting the study, and it was the NY Times that actually brought my attention. I didn’t even read the full NBC article.

sorry didn't mean to cast aspersions on you for quoting it or anything, just wanted to link to the actual article since you didn't and it was so variant from the paper after i read the latter

i don't really have a problem with the argument, like i said it's fucking Dahl, which is like 1980s shit in poli sci, it's just not anywhere in the paper, like, at all

i also may be slightly over-invested in the article/paper thing because i've known steve for over 15 years, been friends, worked with, etc.

at all the statements there (except maybe it has some value for feminism).

Gal Gadot is Israeli, ever since she was cast there's been some Israeli propaganda conspiracy theory about the DC movies i've come across a few places, Zack Snyder's part of it someway

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Haven't seen the film but I seem to remember there was a laborious analogy between Amazons and the "peuple d'élite, sûr de lui et dominateur" (to quote the very dated De Gaulle) but it seems pretty farfetched still as far as I am aware of the plot. Might as well throw Power Rangers in there (and some do in fact believe that some (((producers))) are using media to brainwash the white race into cuckoldry).

The last sentence is the kind of oppression mathematics I never understood (even if we accepted that it is indeed Israeli Propaganda and Feminist).