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kingv

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Oh, I don’t think that there is enough information out there about Papadopolous or Carter Page to figure out exactly what role they played, unless you basically just assume that they are the people referenced in the dossier and that it is accurate.

I will say Carter Page sure acts like he is really guilty of something, and Papadopolous’s whole situation is crazy. His fiancée claims to be Italian but she looks Eastern European and sounds Eastern European.

He also cut a deal, so he must have known something to offer in the proffer. We either haven’t seen what he has proffered yet or he knew the details of the hacking, meaning he was helping to organize the hacking.

I just mean the trump tower meeting is all you need to see to know that there was illegal coordination. Setting up the meeting was likely a crime.

agrajag

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I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that various members of Trump's campaign team/inner circle are corrupt/stupid enough to collude at various points of time with the Russians or other hostile actors independently and unbeknownst of one another.

kingv

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One thing that should be very clear at this point is that Mueller knows a lot more than the media does at this point.

So speculating that something is or is not true because you have not seen the evidence of it is not necessarily a very safe bet.

Two days ago, nobody knew for sure who hacked the emails and Mueller has probably known for months who did it, who they worked for, how they did it, what their user names were, and who ran their twitter accounts.

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I just mean the trump tower meeting is all you need to see to know that there was illegal coordination. Setting up the meeting was likely a crime.
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Mandark

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real talk your take on that meeting is just as dumb

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Papadopolous’s whole situation is crazy. His fiancée claims to be Italian but she looks Eastern European and sounds Eastern European.
Besides the fact that you just described Slovenia, it's worth examining this sentence and reevaluating the solidity of your suspicions.

Yeah, broad assumptions about ethnicity (or assumptions on the ethnicity of broads) are going in the international politics thread currently.

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Police officer shot and killed someone in Chicago. There are protesters and a ton of police at the scene and things are getting chippy.

It's nuts that Rahm Emanuel wasn't destroyed politically by the Laquan McDonald shooting.

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https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1018158170945019905

If the Trump campaign used democrat analytics and data they knew to be stolen by Russian officials/agents/etc...surely that qualifies as collusion? Seems to me like that would result in indictments for multiple Trump officials who signed off on this, Cambridge Analytica (who used the data in their models), and perhaps even some RNC officials.
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His fiancée claims to be Italian but she looks Eastern European and sounds Eastern European.
...S-Se...Serbian?

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I think everyone should remember back to the first Russian indictments, and what the Mueller team charged the Internet Research Agency with: Conspiracy to Defraud the United States:

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If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

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The statute is broad enough in its terms to include any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing or defeating the lawful function of any department of government . . . (A)ny conspiracy which is calculated to obstruct or impair its efficiency and destroy the value of its operation and reports as fair, impartial and reasonably accurate, would be to defraud the United States by depriving it of its lawful right and duty of promulgating or diffusing the information so officially acquired in the way and at the time required by law or departmental regulation.
Hass, 216 U.S. at 479-480. In Hammerschmidt, Chief Justice Taft, defined "defraud" as follows:

To conspire to defraud the United States means primarily to cheat the Government out of property or money, but it also means to interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful governmental functions by deceit, craft or trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest. It is not necessary that the Government shall be subjected to property or pecuniary loss by the fraud, but only that its legitimate official action and purpose shall be defeated by misrepresentation, chicane or the overreaching of those charged with carrying out the governmental intention.

This is likely one of the laws where people like Don Jr., Kushner, and if anything happened in terms of sharing the hacked Democratic analytical data with members of the Trump team as part of their emphasis on social media campaigning, are likely to get hit with. That seems to be what the Mueller team has decided is the legal avenue for prosecuting "collusion."

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We'll find out when it happens and I'm cool with waiting.

Nola

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I think you're reading way too much into the Flynn plea bargain. He has a whole bunch of stuff unrelated to Russia or Trump that he potentially could face charges for.

His plea is still one of the most baffling things in this, especially if he was central to any kind of conspiracy. Doubly so if his statement that there were no side-deals isn't just another stupid lie.

It almost makes you wonder if he's been told that a husband and wife cannot be charged for the same crime.

We had this one out before and I probably am even more convinced in my thinking today, but there is very little chance in my mind that Flynn is getting a plea deal that is anything but trading up, and trading up regarding Mueller's primary objective in his investigation. It's just not how Mueller operates from everything I continue to read, or from what I have gleaned, any prosecutor really. In any other investigation like this Flynn would be a big catch, so for him to get off so easy it is hard to imagine he isn't giving something up significant. The only possible other explanation I have heard, but it seems reckless, is that Flynn was a stalking horse for other potential witnesses, a "see if you cooperate we will give you the Flynn deal, if you don't you can get the Manafort treatment," hoping to lure an actual big fish....But then who would you really be targeting?

Also doesn't mean he rolled on Trump per se, honestly probably not(or at least not enough) given how bad they wanted to flip Manafort, but there are a lot of very interesting avenues you could imagine Flynn rolling over and it fingering Trump, also plenty where it is some other person, but there aren't exactly a whole lot of fish in this pond bigger than the former National Security Advisor.
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imagine Flynn rolling over and fingering Trump

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His fiancée claims to be Italian but she looks Eastern European and sounds Eastern European.
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All these fools forgetting about the Free Territory of Trieste. :beli

kingv

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I just mean the trump tower meeting is all you need to see to know that there was illegal coordination. Setting up the meeting was likely a crime.
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You should explain how knowingly taking a meeting with a representative of a foreign government to get dirt on your political opponent squares with FEC laws.

Here is the relevant portion(s) straight from the FEv website:

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The Act and Commission regulations include a broad prohibition on foreign national activity in connection with elections in the United States. 52 U.S.C. § 30121 and generally, 11 CFR 110.20. In general, foreign nationals are prohibited from the following activities:

Making any contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or making any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any federal, state or local election in the United States;
Making any contribution or donation to any committee or organization of any national, state, district, or local political party (including donations to a party nonfederal account or office building account);
Making any disbursement for an electioneering communication;
Making any donation to a presidential inaugural committee.
Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to an FEC enforcement action, criminal prosecution, or both.


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Soliciting, accepting, or receiving contributions and donations from foreign nationals

The Act prohibits knowingly soliciting, accepting or receiving contributions or donations from foreign nationals. In this context, "knowingly" means that a person:

Has actual knowledge that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are from a foreign national;
Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to believe that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are likely to be from a foreign national; or
Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to inquire whether the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national.
Pertinent facts that should cause the recipient of a contribution or donation to question whether it was given by a foreign national include, but are not limited to the following: a donor or contributor uses a foreign passport, provides a foreign address, makes a contribution from a foreign bank, or resides abroad. Commission regulations provide for a safe harbor: obtaining a copy of a current and valid U.S. passport would satisfy the duty to inquire whether the funds solicited, accepted, or received are from a foreign national.

A plain reading of the rules says that

1) The Russian government was clearly offering a thing of value in the email.
2) everybody in that meeting knew that they were offering a thing of value
3) the whole purpose of the meeting was for the Russians to give something to help the trump campaign.

If someone says opposition research doesn’t have value, that’s obviously wrong because people pay large amounts for it. It seems to be a very obvious violation of election law.

kingv

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If your response is along the lines of “the campaign can’t accept funds, but the foreign nationals can’t contribute things of value” I would encourage you to look up misprision of a felony and realize that covering up the meeting and not reporting was also probably a crime.

Edit: Just know imma gloat when a future indictment cites the meeting  :doge
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kingv

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Papadopolous’s whole situation is crazy. His fiancée claims to be Italian but she looks Eastern European and sounds Eastern European.
Besides the fact that you just described Slovenia, it's worth examining this sentence and reevaluating the solidity of your suspicions.

They’re all white, I’m punching up.

Mandark

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Two stories we haven't covered in this thread:

Jim Jordan ignoring warnings of sexual abuse of college wrestlers back in the day.

Michael Cohen was maybe not useless to Novartis.

Nola

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Two stories we haven't covered in this thread:

Jim Jordan ignoring warnings of sexual abuse of college wrestlers back in the day.

Michael Cohen was maybe not useless to Novartis.

Damn, just googled this, somehow I missed this newest bit completely.

agrajag

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Is Jim Jordan likely to face any serious repercussions? I heard this story making the rounds in some news outlets, but it seems like it's going to fizzle out..

Also, I watched a bunch of the Strzok testimony and it certainly didn't go the way the Republicans were expecting it to.

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Is Jim Jordan likely to face any serious repercussions? I heard this story making the rounds in some news outlets, but it seems like it's going to fizzle.

Same. I thought this was going to be a thing, but it seems the story got quiet fast. It was a big deal when Hastert got busted raping wrestlers, right?
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Nevermind guys, case closed. Diamond and Silk have blown it wide open.

BOMBSHELL: Forensic Analysis Shows Clinton Emails Funneled to ‘Foreign Entity’
https://diamondandsilk.americandailynews.org/2018/07/13/bombshell-forensic-analysis-shows-clinton-emails-funneled-to-foreign-entity/

:drudge

The hardest part was smuggling the emails over the border
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Kara

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It was a big deal when Hastert got busted raping wrestlers, right?

If only.

Mandark

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I think Jordan might be in the running for a leadership spot next year? If so this could impact that.

But otherwise his colleagues seem to have rallied around him and the general lack of sympathy for strong, technically adult young men as the victims probably mean it won't get a ton of traction. Would love to be wrong, but Penn St. fans still stan Paterno.

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Nevermind guys, case closed. Diamond and Silk have blown it wide open.

BOMBSHELL: Forensic Analysis Shows Clinton Emails Funneled to ‘Foreign Entity’
https://diamondandsilk.americandailynews.org/2018/07/13/bombshell-forensic-analysis-shows-clinton-emails-funneled-to-foreign-entity/

:drudge

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Alex, you need to stop losing your temper and taking the Lord's name in vain.  You do it a lot and it really undermines your Christian assertion.

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Nevermind guys, case closed. Diamond and Silk have blown it wide open.

BOMBSHELL: Forensic Analysis Shows Clinton Emails Funneled to ‘Foreign Entity’
https://diamondandsilk.americandailynews.org/2018/07/13/bombshell-forensic-analysis-shows-clinton-emails-funneled-to-foreign-entity/

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lol. The only censorship occurring in America is censorship of criticism of Israel and the Jewish Jesuits.

Screw you you crazy Jews!

Yeah, they let a few guys like me come on here they thinking we'd make nice controlled opposition, but that backfired. Instead of their being just 25-million informed Americans the satanic Jews want to depopulate...we woke up 200-million in the US alone, billions worldwide, we blew hole in their diabolical plan, done. Now they'll have to kill off the entire US population and most of Earth but there will no slaves left for them to exploit!

Alex, you said you support Israel so you are on the BDS list, bro.

If you ever get back to doing real news and you expose Israel and the Jewish Jesuits (the synagogue of satan), we'll take into consideration an investment in Infowars products. Till then...suck wind u...u...baby killer.

Why single out one of the triple threat fraudsters from the middle east ?

Saudi Arabia bankrolled the Clinton Campaign, and 9-11 attacks.

Pope Vatican City attacks USA mobilizing their army of poor Latinos to attack Texas and all southern states.

It is time for Planet EARTH to remove the middle east infestation from the surface.

Unbelivable how much power they were given just because of oil and the fallen roman empire.

EARTH MUST FREE ITSELF
from all the discusting
child sexual mutilation mythologies.
It is a sick ritualistic human sacrifice of holding down small children and sawing off bloody chunks of their genitals...
WHAT THE FK IS WRONG WITH THEM ?

Cutting up babies is disgusting. Muslims chopping on girls and Hebrews mutilating little boys.
And too much to list for the
death cult Catholics...
Who does this ? WHY?

WHY THE HELL DO PARENTS NOT FIGHT BACK AGAINST THESE DISGUSTING SATANIC PRACTICES?

I DON'T CARE WHY.
ARREST Rabbis Priests and Others performing these sick fk bloody evil rituals against children.

3000 years of these three sick cults have brought nothing but war and death to our Planet Earth.

END The practice of these sick memes from twisted goat & sheep farmers.

DROP THE KNIFE, 'HOLY MAN' !
and BAN these death cults' mythology ritualistic child sexual mutilation practices.

Phoenix Dark spitting fire in the Infowars comment section  :whew
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Nintex

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Alex is the best. The first 10 minutes is so so but then he gets ANGRY
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- Internet censorship
- CNN is deciding what is real or fake news
- Juncker - The airforce of the Nazi's wants to destroy America
- Way worse than Nazi's the people that created the Nazi's
- Juncker owns Luxembourg, probably the richest guy in the world next to Rothschild
- I don't care about Christian complaining about my cussing
- Fringe viking mix with the normans and started with political correctness in England to ban words
- They're coming for your speech on tuesday!
- TRUMP and I agree on this and we'll keep winning

Why isn't Alex the White House press secretary yet?  :fbm


Also FBI layer Strzok is a scary motherfucker. Looks like he escaped straight from Arkham to tell Riddles to the Batman

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https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1018419865776865280

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Jill Stein would make a decent GILF honey pot.
mods help

WHAT? If you can still muster an erection, you were literally made to fuck the communist out of her. Opposites attract. Show her da way.


agrajag

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Jill Stein's not a fucking communist dude, what the fuck  :lol

VomKriege

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Jill Stein's not a fucking communist dude, what the fuck  :lol

Green. Even better.
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sinxtanx

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green is just a red that's vibrating faster

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Can we not talk about Jill Stein and vibrating? :donot
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Nintex

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https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1018419865776865280

"Hahahaha hohoho Trump is saying crazy things again!"

*2 years later*

"British PM Boris Johnson, Putin and Trump sue Germany to repay WWII damages and costs up to $400 trillion."



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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1018530167902228480

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1018530173006692352

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1018530179549822977

wat, Why the fuck would anyone want two Russian cities.  :doge
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wat, Why the fuck would anyone want two Russian cities.  :doge

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Kara

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One of my fellow communards is registered Green, but I assume that's because the Peace and Freedom Party is a front organization for a communist party now.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1018136386426343424

Don’t worry Billy,  America’s in a better place now. :usacry
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kingv

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So it looks like the Congressman that requested information from Guccifer was Matt Gaetz.

Not sure why we are not calling him and Roger Stone traitors. It was widely reported that Guccifer was Russian intelligence at the time it happened.... just like Guccifer 1.0 was.

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https://twitter.com/therealelp/status/1018523304527790080

Unfortunately I'm familiar enough with the thinking that I know how they square this circle: today's weak and feckless Europeans are allowing the destruction of their heritage by being soft on Muslims, Africans, etc, leaving the US as the last hope to save Western CivilizationTM.

That's not even a specifically alt-right or MAGA thing, it was a common line among right wingers during the Bush years.

kingv

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Oh, that guy? He's a fucking tool. I want to punch his smug little face every time he's on tv. But asking for opposition research on your opponent is not "treason", even if it's obtained by criminal means. Treason is specifically during wartime. This kind of loose language leads to police states.

You can be a traitor colloquially, without actually meeting the US legal definition of “treason”.

The dictionary defines it as “the crime of betraying ones country” or “the act of betraying someone or something”.

Words have meanings, and wartime is not part of the definition of treason.

I would say that conspiring with a foreign government against your country, specifically a hostile one is “treasonous” even if it doesn’t meet the US legal definition of crimes for treason.

kingv

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Do you think Aldrich Ames was a traitor? Were the Rosenbergs?

We were never at war with the YSSR officially, so they weren’t traitors?!

Illegally Conspiring with foreign states to win elections is treasonous. You are working against the very foundations of the government, free and fair elections.

kingv

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How is that relevant? If I work against the government using UNCLAS documents, then it’s not treason?

It wasn’t officially wartime in either case

kingv

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You have completely moved the goalposts and changed your argument. It’s not even worth engaging.

Agreed it’s not a crime to possess the information. I never said that it was.

It is a crime to collaborate with a foreign government to obtain it. Saying that interfering in elections is somehow making the democratic process more fair is a crazy position to me.

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you're both silly

kingv

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I just fundamentally disagree.

By this standard the US doesn’t interfere in foreign elections. And I don’t agree with that either. Hacking one sides emails and strategy documents to share with their opponents is absolutely interfering. As is illegal campaign contributions.

Saying it’s not is sort of like an anything goes attitude to elections. Like it’s all fair as long as nobody is assassinating their opponents or intimidating voters at the polls with machine guns.

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Stosta is such a pedant

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https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1018803468805566464

Something something, Obama apology tour is hurting America, other countries are laughing at us.
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kingv

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I'm willing to cede a little bit here. If a government uses illegal means to obtain extremely damaging information about a candidate in another country and disseminates that information as agitprop then of course that's a kind of interference. But the two key details here are 1) there was nothing in the emails! and 2) none of these people "helped" them commit the crime except by saying they'd be grateful if the information fell into their lap. That's why calling Gaetz a traitor is weird to me.

In my mind, saying “gee it would really be nice if you could share some of that stolen data with me” is sort of like the Trump argument of saying “I didn’t tell Comey to lay off the investigation, I just asked him to”. It’s like a semantic argument that doesn’t hold water.

To me if your putting yourself, or your party ahead of the country to win political seats, that’s a kind of treasonous behavior. Admittedly, it’s kind of a squishy definition, because there are definitely instances where it could be morally justified (outside of “to win an election”).

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https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-war-on-assange-is-a-war-on-press-freedom/
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The irony is that there was serious meddling in the presidential election, but it did not come from Russia. The Democratic Party, outdoing any of the dirty tricks employed by Richard Nixon, purged hundreds of thousands of primary voters from the rolls, denied those registered as independents the right to vote in primaries, used superdelegates to swing the vote to Hillary Clinton, hijacked the Democratic National Committee to serve the Clinton campaign, controlled the message of media outlets such as MSNBC and The New York Times, stole the Nevada caucus, spent hundreds of millions of dollars of “dark” corporate money on the Clinton campaign and fixed the primary debates. This meddling, which stole the nomination from Bernie Sanders, who probably could have defeated Trump, is unmentioned. The party hierarchy will do nothing to reform its corrupt nominating process.

WikiLeaks exposed much of this corruption when it published tens of thousands of messages hacked from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s email account. The messages brought to light the efforts by the Democratic Party leadership to thwart the nomination of Sanders, and they disclosed Clinton’s close ties with Wall Street, including her lucrative Wall Street speeches. They also raised serious questions about conflicts of interest with the Clinton Foundation and whether Clinton received advance information on primary-debate questions.

The Democratic National Committee, for this reason, is leading the Russia hysteria and the persecution of Assange.
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Twitter is clearly a primitive tool for proper journalism in the twenty-first century.  Thankfully, I have it on good authority that we'll soon see the launch of Monosyllabic News: a slick, modern platform where insightful jounalists and commentators respond to five seconds of high-impact video with short, exceptionally emotive noises and frantic gesticulation.  The tagline will be "start the conversation".
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benjipwns

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Treason is specifically during wartime. This kind of loose language leads to police states.
Then "I don't know why everyone isn't calling him a traitor" is just another rhetorical race to the bottom.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/opinion/trump-russia-investigation-putin.html
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Trump, Treasonous Traitor
The president fails to protect the country from an ongoing attack.

By Charles M. Blow

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This is an incredible, unprecedented moment.  America is being betrayed by its own president. America is under attack and its president absolutely refuses to defend it.

Simply put, Trump is a traitor and may well be treasonous.
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Let's unpack this a bit more because all of what I'm about to write is all part of the coverup.

Trump claims that he has been very hard on Russia. True, has has imposed some hardships on a few select Russians and made some slight military increases, but none of these actions come anywhere close to a full out retaliation, nowhere near. They are just enough of a response to create the appearance of him fighting back without landing any truly serious blows.

Then he keeps claiming that no Americans are involved. Right! Except for all those that pleaded guilty, cut deals, and the many more that will be formally charged in the coming weeks. The Justice Dept. had to first establish that the attacks actually did take place, which Trump has denied from the get go.

Trump and his Republican apologists keep claiming that no votes were changed form the attacks. But minds were changed. We can't quantify them, but then why did Russia target specific districts in specific swing states. This was a surgical propaganda assault to change minds and it worked.

Then Trump keeps trashing the EU, and NATO. Nothing could please Putin more. We should be drawing our allies closer to ward off this attack.

After all of this, Trump still does nothing, butters up Putin and wants to meet with him secretly. What is this, a Godfather movie?

Add it all up and it spells treason.

He gets away with it because it is so shocking that people refuse to accept the possibility. Accept it.

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I agree completely that Donald Trump may be committing treason. This is a new development, not covered by existing law. Neither the framers of the Constitution nor the Congress nor the Supreme Court over close to 250 years could even think that a president might commit treason.

I would think that if the above is true, mere impeachment cannot be an acceptable punishment. He must be tried and if proved guilty, subject to the maximum penalty.

We are spending an inordinate amount of time pre-analyzing Brett Kavanaugh’s papers about exempting a president from lawsuits and similar matters. They simply don’t apply here. As commander in chief of America’s armed forces, he is subject to be tried under the uniform military code of justice. They will do the right thing, without regard to politics.

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https://twitter.com/antontroian/status/1018882506488254465'

https://twitter.com/MLChadbourn/status/1018886384013234176

Just a taste of le fuckery  :delicious
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Twitter is clearly a primitive tool for proper journalism in the twenty-first century.  Thankfully, I have it on good authority that we'll soon see the launch of Monosyllabic News: a slick, modern platform where insightful jounalists and commentators respond to five seconds of high-impact video with short, exceptionally emotive noises and frantic gesticulation.  The tagline will be "start the conversation".
:ohhh

Nah, the next iteration will be only emojis.

Somehow, people will still find a way to harass people on it.

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there was nothing damaging released from the DNC emails, anyway. American voters are just stupid.
i'm a little perplexed by this. first you say there's nothing damaging resulting from the leaks, which, sure, i guess, but immediately follow it with 'the American voters are just stupid' which implies you think the leaks adversely affected public opinion. which is it?